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My thought process regarding Runescape 3 and the recent updates from necromancy to hero pass. And my plans moving forward.
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You were the reason I decided to try RS3 after discovering your videos over 6 months ago so for that I thank you! Cant wait to see your OSRS content
"You never quit, you just go AFK"
Found you with the 12 hour video and stayed for the content. Funny enough while watching you do rs3 I transitioned to trying OS for the first time. Made my account an iron on there and have contemplated also making a main there because I’m over rs3. Looking forward to the os content!
At the end of the day it’s your channel/Career. Do whatever you think is right, you’ll have support regardless.
I enjoy your content, definitely staying for whatever you decide to make. Do whats best for you!
The raids in osrs are all pretty good, excited to see what you bring in the coming weeks with a new series
Sad times, but nevertheless looking forward to the shift!
Appreciate you man!
@@Waydots Took me an hour or two to realize OSRS is simply better in terms of gameplay - Especially how rewarding the gameplay is.
Even more so if Ironman of any kind.
RS3 isn't even really Runescape if you think about it for even a little bit.
Runescape is a Dungeons & Dragons -like Medieval game with dangerous monsters ranging from Rats to Dragons, and everything in between.
What the fuck is Telos then? Or even being able to fight Zamorak?
OSRS feels more closely tied to the concept of Runescape itself, the D&D aspect of it.
It ACTUALLY is Runescape-ey. Runescape 3 a LOT less so, IMO -
And I say this as having played ONLY RS3 for the past 17-18 years, on and off...
@@The_Dutch_Jaguar"Runescape is a Dungeons & Dragons"
HuH? This stopped being true a very long time ago, even in RS2.
@@The_Dutch_Jaguar >D&D aspect
Clutches my shield and staff with dragon claws and crossbow switch while praying for 100% protection from damage
Can't wait for what awaits for your journey man! Been here since WoW days \,,,/ I am also burned out on my rs3 iron, so I joined my brother's Group iron on osrs, it's just us two but it's fun! We want to learn the bosses on there.
i recently switched from rs3 to osrs and i have honestly loved it so much more than i thought i would, would love to see some new osrs content!
I really enjoy your content. You've played more RS3 than I have by a factor of 100, and I've been playing almost 20 years. I only have great respect whatever you do.
I think a group ironman team with the right people is some of the best content out there, it let's you progress faster than a regular ironman but is more fun to watch than just buying everything off the ge as a main
Runescape is just the modern day Hotel California.
Would love to see you continue the GIM grind, get into raids with the others (if they are still playing)
You also can always play it as a solo IM and group with other people (yes you lose prestige, although I don't think this matters a whole lot)
Would be funny seeing you learn the new osrs raid and TOB and maybe try inferno? I dunno, something to think about maybe
I have been playing runescape since 2003. I played rs2, I played through eoc, I played rs3, and when osrs came out, I started playing both osrs and rs3.
For the longest time, I would burn out on 1, then focus on the other for a while, then burn out on that one, etc. I have played over 20k hours if you combine both games. I say all of this to give context. Last month I finally decided to permanently drop rs3 and continue with only osrs.
I find that it's not just the hero pass stuff. In fact, it's not any one update in particular. For the first time in 20 years, I just don't feel excitement to log in anymore. Like you say, it's not just the hero pass, it's the general sentiment and mindset of the playerbase. Rs3 finally reached that point for me where it stopped feeling like a game. In all these years, we've had highs and lows, but throughout all of it I never felt like the game itself stopped being fun for me. Until now.
Hero pass is the final straw for me. Not the update itself. But what the update represents. The feeling of "what I once knew and loved is gone, and will never be coming back".
Having said that, osrs has been having a series of absolute bangers with its recent updates. Hit after hit after hit, one success even better than the next. I am very excited for the future of osrs!
Here you brother, I’ve hopped back into OSRS and been loving it.
You pretty much summed up all my feelings on the situation.
I’m excited to see you come back to OSRS. I can’t wait to see where that goes! 😃👍🏼👍🏼 I’d like to see your GIM videos come back, but that’s another story. Anyway, good luck in whatever you do. - Machinist_2
I moved from RS3 to OSRS and made a main, In a week Im 636 Total lvl and 111 QP so far. Its so much fun, the bosses for quests are much more difficult and the combat, while simple is still fun.
I'm having a blast. I might never go back to RS3.
your contents are deep and fun
creators should have those
Completely disagree about necromancy. This is the most fun I've had with Runescape combat at any time and I know they will tune the other styles up eventually to match Necromancy. Yes, hero pass and combat xp nerfs do suck pretty hard, but honestly don't effect my almost maxed Ironman much.
Only people I see genuinely think Necro is fun are those that suck at PvM and are really happy with the free damage.
This is absolutely horrible to Combat because any other styles weapons & armour crashed by at least half their value.
So this is completely irresponsible of you to just say ''Well I'm having fun, that's all that matters!''
Selfish ass...
Keyword there is ironman, everyone who didnt go the ironman route is feeling the effects of these changes.
I started watching your OSRS GIM videos, got hooked and started watching your iron on rs3.. I started watching to learn but I honestly still don’t understand. I’ll keep watching but would be overjoyed for an osrs main series. (Clearly I am an osrs player)
I think the ‘I’ve done it, I’ve done irons’ before makes a lot of sense, maybe would be cool to see ‘rs3 player returns to osrs to green log raids’ or something that sets a certain goal. Maybe not that painful but something ‘new’ to chase/play for. Will always watch the videos either way and just happy to see new videos!
Just found you last week, I am currently playing OSRS and took a break from RS3 after maxing my first account two years ago right after Zammy came out.. Loved the content and sad to see you "go" for the time being but I completely understand why the shift is going.
It's really just the people you surround yourself with. Me and my clan are still just enjoying necromancy and having fun with other content. The hero pass was something negative that they changed right away, and we would have ignored anyway. Only thing left I could say about it, is there should be an option to toggle and hide it entirely. I don't need to know I hit level 30 on the hero pass.
I've been on hiatus from both osrs and rs3 since aug 12th.
Definitely disappointing to hear especially because im coming back from a break to rs3 HOWEVER You absolutely should do whatever brings you the most joy. At the end of the day you have a core audience that comes for you and your style. Much love brother try not to let it get you down.
I loved when you were playing OSRS. Especially the group. Was my favorite content to watch. I literally would get anxious waiting for next episode. But would watch any OSRS content you put out. I vote Ironman though 😅.
Appreciate you Waydot
And I appreciate you!
I like the idea of you picking up where you left off on your GIM. Sarting a brand new acc sometimes will make your burn out since you just did the grind. Your GIM acc is in the sweet spot. Your lvls is right at getting into bossing. Looking forward to seeing you on OSRS its a great game.
I feel like RuneScape will be on the rocks for awhile, at least till Carlyle group finally sells it's rights. Till then they squeezing all the money they can get.
I’d like to see a series from the beginnning
I'll do leagues again on OSRS,, but I get bummed playing more than that.
The fact that jagex keep doing 1 step forward then followed by 10 step back... (necromancy into hero pass)
It's a really sad thing for me. All of my RS friends quit RS3 when GIM came out and I wasn't interested in joining, but I always figured they'd come back. At this point though I don't even know if I want to play Rs3 anymore. It's just very sad how poorly Rs3 gets treated in comparison to OSRS and it sucks because I really can't see myself enjoying OSRS, and my friends are 2k hours into their GIM so joining wouldn't really work anyways. Excited to see where your content goes either way
I think you could do something like Darnic & The RS Guy as of late. Making super realistic gains/goals. Darnic made a great f2p to main and RSGuy made some good low intensity guides lately. I think you can do something like that with old school.
I started watching you play OSRS. I haven’t played rs3. I found myself watching your rs3 content regardless & found it quite decent. I don’t watch any other rs3 stuff so I’m sure it’s your personally which makes your content interesting.
Needless to say, happy to watch anything you make. Enjoying what you’re creating makes a big difference in the overall quality of production, which you’ve clearly recognised.
I agree with your opinions of the way rs3 has been handled. Really sneaky & unprofessional game management.
TLDR was a blast! I miss it so much
I loved OG runescape as a kid, spent so many hours on it... But as a grown up with a family and many responsibilities I don't have 10 hours a day free time that it takes to make progress in osrs... Also the combat in osrs is so boring when you compare it to the interactive combat in rs3 especially higher end bossing... It's like hard to enjoy that simple click and watch your character fight combat after experiencing all the things you do in rs3 while you're in combat... It's like if you have a honda civic, its a nice daily reliable fuel efficient car, but once you experience a ferrari it's hard to enjoy a civic the same way you used to.
I like both. I too have a family kids job etc. I just play at work when I have time or whenever. Pretty much afk. When I do have a couple hours of complete nothing then I’ll do quests or a certain task for x amount of time I have. Just depends on what I got going on.
i found you when i was curious about rs3 and watched some of ur early rs3 videos. i realized that i didnt want to try rs3 cuz i was having too much fun on osrs. so i basically didnt watch ur videos except the random one here or there out of curiousity. if you do come back to osrs def just play a main and do the collection log or hunt pets or some big goal. theres no point in playing an ironman on osrs anymore once you get the quest cape cuz after you get about a 500m bank its the same as playing a main but you have chores to do and a much more linear path to take if pvm is your main goal. regardless im looking forward to another osrs youtube series to follow along to and gl
I wasn't thrilled to see the OSRS content after the RS3 Ironman but I get needing a break after all that. Luckily the GIM stuff was fun to watch.
In what way do you feel misled by necromancy as a skill? How is it different then "advertised" on release?
As advertised necromancy was going to fit into the combat system of rs3 and turn our beloved triangle into a square. The problem with necromancy currently is that it is so overpowered and so easy that using any other combat style feels bad because you could be doing whatever your currently doing, more efficiently and easier if you just used necromancy, which has added a level of complacency and "boring" to the gameplay loop while also eliminating the feeling of choice that the previous combat system aided in.
Appreciate the answer and understand. I feel like update like these in MMOs are ALWAYS overpowered at first. It brings in new player and returning players doesn't matter what game it is, if its WoW, Apex etc.. new items, classes etc.. are always a massive power spike until re-balanced.
I tried OSRS for about a month when it first came out. The deal breaker for me was actually no Australian servers. So I ended up learning to love RS3, and by the time Australian servers were implemented, I'd sort of lost interest in switching.
It had always been in the back of my mind as something I wanted to do eventually, actually give OSRS a fair try. It was Necromancy that pushed me there. The Hero Pass made that especially easy but Necromancy was the driving factor. I knew the issues it would bring the moment they announced how gearing would work. So much content just became obsolete. It was essentially the biggest content nuke in Runescape history. The game's state just makes me kind of sad now. So it was time to make the switch.
I've had my bones seeping cold for the past week, have 94 FM, and when I'm finally done with Wintertodt I'm so excited to explore a new version of the game.
0:16 I deleted my 15+ years of account which was on RS3 after realising I can't play it and I can't keep up with the new content and it takes hours just to read/find/do the simplest stuff, the hours I do not have anymore at this point of my life.
Been watching maikeru GIM with luc and wazzy. I logged into it and all I did was fish but I had so much fun that it’s been atleast a year in rs3 since I felt the same thrill in game
I quit RS3 a few years ago after coming back from a decade long break, and every time I start to get drawn back into the game Jagex does something terrible that throws away all of the interest I got back. Last time, I played for about a month or so before they announced Fresh Start Worlds, with all of the microtransactions included to give people the drive to spend a ton of money on exclusive cosmetics. It was such a massive cash grab, and it lost a lot of good will. Then finally my interest starts to come back, and they announce the Hero Pass and all of the drama with it. The reason I quit a few years ago is because it came out that someone spent over $30k(?) in a week and it didn't trip their alarms for concern. They then celebrated mental health week with predatory MTX deals, designed to make you spend as much as possible. They've sold out RS3 hard time and time again, and despite making multiple promises to try and change things for the better, they did nothing at all.
Hi Friend! I'm sorry to hear about the state of RS3 and i can't imagine the feeling of what it's like to be an RS3 player right now. We will all be more than excited to see your next journey on OSRS! Have you considered "starting fresh" on your group account, but as a bronze man? This will allow you to continue that character and your audience will already be familiar with the progress you have. The restriction of being a bronze man plus the freedom of being a main should allow you to set yourself plenty of goals per "episode" without the tediousness that'll lead to burnout.
I'm sure that you have plenty of other people to ask, but i'm a maxed iron that's ranked at pretty much every boss and i would be more than happy to share my knowledge with you and teach you the basics of TOA and TOB and leagues whenever that comes out. ❤
If your old school series is a dedicated CZcams series I’d be interested, but if it’s a twitch clip compilation that sounds bad tbh. So many CZcamsrs are just pulling clips from twitch and calling them videos, so it would be refreshing to see a video with actual effort (aside from CZcams being a second income source)
I almost never do full twitch clip videos on this channel, ill sprinkle them in here and there if something important happened on stream but i would never make that the whole video. This series will be no different :)
@@Waydots appreciate you man, and I wasn’t trying to specifically call you out btw. Looking forward to your series :)
As an osrs enjoyer, I was brought to your channel because of it and look forward to more osrs content. ❤️
Gold Party Hat/Green Santa Hat/Purple Ween Mask were the beginning of how their MTX was changing. Aurora Dye followed by Soul Dye? Devalued clues. The amount of DXPs being pumped up = more MTX. The crazy amount of proteans lowering the value of herblore supplies & 200m runescrafting just being a joke now. Construction crazy quick to level with the Fort. I got my damn Baba Yaga off of proteans turning them into frames! The amount of FOMO they instil in events like Golden Cape where you felt obligated to be logged in as much as possible either gathering or PVMing.
Necromancy I think most people expected it to be released in a weak state + to build. Instead it's overpowered, and the fact we're missing 23 skill tree points + where it's at is 18? Is further fear for that power creep.
Hero Pass was my final straw. I didn't enjoy logging in anymore. 3 days ago I made an OSRS main + am loving it! I am loving my achievements, quests & levelling meaning something.
And then Monday I received that discord notification for Rs3 update. Life refreshes/aura refreshes/VIPs & herblore meaning nothing for a week. So many PVM rare drops being worthless thanks to Necromancy + what? They devalue it even more? And what's their solution? "We'll bring the other styles up to where Necro is" - Great solution. Round of applause.
Mod Doom says he's coming in to be that "Community guy, voice for the community" bugger off. You listen to us & do the exact opposite.
They've screwed up Time & time again. This has been going on far too long and the community is beginning to pick up their bags & walk out.
Leagues, Join the osrs community in leagues this year. You would absolutely love it! Also its content, its really good content for a month or so and longer if you can maintain the hype like the mainstays do.
i decided years ago to stay in RS3 because it is more chill/afk and now I feel like I am wasting time getting achievements and all...is it hard to switch from RS3 to OSRS?
I would say no, they are fundamentally the same game. What excites me about Runecsape in general is the skilling system.. so it depends on what your into, if you absolutely love the pvm aspect of runescape 3 you might find that osrs is not for you, however if you love the feeling of progression and questing, i think osrs does this just as well and sometimes better than rs3 due to achievements having a lot more meaning in osrs.
@@Waydots that makes sense. I'm just gonna miss the AFK part of RS3 and all the teleportations :D
Osrs only player here. Best bet is make a main account from scratch for completionist purposes 😗 theres a lot of stuff u can do as u max for collection log items that are kinda annoying to go for post 99.
It sucks that you feel the way that you do, but I fully understand it. I started with your RS3 content. And I'll still consume whatever content you end up doing.
I personally love Necromancy, it's got me doing content I never really felt good enough to do even in my 22 years of playing this game. But then the Hero Pass happened. I didn't care that much. I heavily dislike battlepasses like it, but I don't necessarily avoid it (as in stop playing). But once I saw the buffs I almost quit. But starting an HCIM and just going through the game semi-casually was mostly enjoyable. They need to fix low level combat for sure.
For the time being, until Leagues rolls around, I'll still be cranking RS3 (I started playing again because I'm burnt out on some big GIM grinds I just finished). But I hope you, and all the other creators out there struggling with this recent crap /are/ successful in whatever you choose to do. As someone has said. Check out Leagues. I've never had more fun in Runescape than I do with Leagues.
Even further, I would enjoy more content from other games.
If they fix hero pass the way they have said they wanted to, and maybe buff the other combat styles, and 100% fix early game, i had to stop playing the HCIM i was leveling... people will come back. I personally don't like OSRS at all, but i can see myself going to other MMOs till they do fix it. I hope OSRs goes well for you.
I feel like with how out of the place and strong necromancy is, we reached a point where even RS3 players, who have weathered multiple reworks and combat changes, even EOC, are feeling out of the place. The combat triangle is what makes runescape runescape. That extra element of thinking about strengths and weaknesses was just taken away and I don't see how it can be fixed when you have a de facto style that's jut neutrally stong against everythiing.
never been a fan of playing rs3 enjoy some of the rs3 content but osrs has my heart
OSRS content is superior. Im excited to see you transition over!
Dont transfer money unless you are 100 percent sure, main loses alot of appeal unless you super about that clog life either way ima love it. From scratch series always perform tho
Agreed. I've recently transferred all my wealth to my alt and "rebuilt" from scratch, made the whole game fresh again. When I had 5-6b, I just didn't have motivation to do anything because as much as people hate to admit it, mainscape is gpscape. When you have all the bis gear and have nothing to work for, it get dull very fast.
Go for what u feel .. sincerily i watched so many early game that im kinda sick of it -_- same quests .. no bosses .. kinda same route ..
go for the mid lvl if u feel like
Maybe try out a bit of pvp a bit of a learning curve even in bh but its some good fun😊
...black desert f2p series :)
Hello waydot, maybe you can collab with others rs3 streamers/youtubers and create a group ironman, and if you manage to gather more streamers/youtubers maybe you guys can create 2 teams and compete with each other for achievments and all sorts of things, that would be amazing
You should what you enjoy because itll make your content better. Like you pointed out, there is way more osrs content out there, so it’ll be harder to stand out like you could amongst the lack of rs3 content but if everyone is jumping ship maybe there just won’t be the viewers.
Btw, what is the hero pass controversy exactly? I see everyone talking about it, but is it just a pass to get cosmetics or is there some p2w aspect that is worse than treasure hunter etc
The pass had very very direct PW2 content like damage reduction at Zammy and such
It started off as very predatory FOMO mtx. They also called it a major game update of september (which ppl do not associate with mtx), removed "liked" FOMO such as daily challenges, and was said to reduce FOMO but did the opposite: taking multiple hours everyday to complete without buying skips.
This pass also gave better and earlier rewards to premier members vs regular members, and it gave content buffs for clues ( step reduction), ed4 (20% damage reduction), and skilling.
All of that combined caused a major uproar. Jagex has backpedaled on a lot of it, but the impact lingers.
The excitement about trying old school wears off really fast when you actually start playing it.
if you don't have goals then yeah
It feels bad man. The game was looking so good for a bit there. I’m probably going to stick to FF14 for now since we’re in the lead up to the next expansion, but I’ll definitely come back to RS3 for big updates. Necromancy showed me that there is a ton of talent and care for the game among the devs and I hope that we see that again.
In any case, I’d love to watch you play through leagues!
You never quit, you just go to another game to make more money.
On that note, I’m very excited for him to move to osrs if that’s the case.
It saddens me to see this. As a current OSRS player who has been watching your RS3 content for years, I know you'll have a lot more fun in OSRS though. The community will welcome you my friend, and nobody will blame you.
Edit 2: fuck the early game ! Start from your gim acc
Edit: wrote this comment before 2m into the vid lol
Long time RS3 player here that hasn’t had that spark for rs3 in a while, I’ think it’ll be dope as hell if you made an osrs main account. Everyone and there mom makes a osrs iron version acc, but with that said whatever acc on osrs wouks still be dope
Runescape as a whole is a constant burnout cycle. It should be very obvious to everyone by now. I'm maxed on OSRS and comped on RS3 and i've been juggling between them for as long as i can remember. Neither game will die, but both get extremely repetitive after a while.
if the osrs gim is a dead group, de-iron the account and move foward,
The appeal of your channel for me was just seeing you enjoying the game, getting sucked in and how infectious that all was. It would not be the same if you were forcing yourself to play a game you dont like.
I started getting back into rs3 about a month before nechro dropped w/o even knowing anything about it. After looking at the premium membership and the benefits it came with I decided to go ahead with getting it. I was having so much fun playing rs3 over osrs because it was a little easier and a little less grindy for the 1 or 2 hours I can play during the week. Then they dropped the hero pass and all the fun I was having went right out the window because now I feel like I have to log in every day and spend an hour grinding my daily points instead of doing what I want to. Which really hurts because I was trying to talk a couple buddies into playing rs3 w/me and now I don't want to recommend it to anyone.
Play old school.
Play another game
I’d be hyped af if you did variety. You been getting burned out with doing singular games like this
Sounds like u also burnt out. Definitely a good idea to play other games.
If rs3 doesn’t respect player’s time. Just don’t give it the time.
In the end, it’s all about making money as a conte t creator. Just say you’re coming to osrs to have more viewers and earn more money. It’s gonna happen regardless.
This.If people were just honest the world would be too easy
Rs3 is dead :\