Why Players "Dislike" their Favorite MMO
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- čas přidán 3. 07. 2024
- MMORPG's they are captivating, addicting, full of time sinks and long term progression.. So why do people play MMO's that they actively dislike? Do people actually dislike the game they are currently playing?
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The feeling of novelty and originality fades and I think a LOT of people are addicted to experiencing new things and progressing along unknown paths. Once they have progressed far enough that they can see or get an understanding for what the "end" looks like they drop off. I know I personally have fallen prey to this in multiple games. Love the short form video! Keep it coming my guy
Good point, I probably could have made this video about 10 times longer if I wanted to really get into all of the minutia but I figured talking about the general attitude you see in online spaces in a quick lil video would be a bit more digestable! Hope things are going well Hudy, message me sometime!
When I can see the "end" is grinding bosses multiple times, I typically fall off shortly before it gets to that point. In runescape, for example, I love doing quests and comp requirements. Grinding a boss for a % chance at a specific drop so I can do something x% faster? No thanks.
SoD phase 3 dropped and it was over tuned, underdeveloped, broke progression, tossed the economy more than Caesar in the ides of march and had virtually no rewards for raiding. One week in everyone had second best in slot, good for parsers but bad for the common fun. Personally the shine on the game definitely died very quickly. I'm happy that the purple shoes happened but now everyone's looking a little green... Best phases in order are probably going to be 1, 4, 5, 2, 3. Mostly because of the dungeon planning/gatekeeping.
That being said, I'm a solo farm junkie and this might be withdrawals or something. Same reason I never liked WoW expansions They never gave me a semi-exclusive skill-based instance farm to do. Everything was much too linear and forced a story.
Also, like with any subject the 5-90-5 rule applies.
You hear from the 5% of the player base that HATES everything about the game, and the other 5% that loves everything about the game and company. The middle 90% don't bother going on forums, watch videos or go on social media about the game... They just play it
You can apply this to any show, movie, sports team, music, art and pretty much anything really
Also- love your videos!!
Oh yeah absolutely it's always the two most extreme ends of basically anything that will always be the most vocal.
@@Waydots I think everyone sees that.. but most people believe that vocal percent is much higher than 10% total.
Think about it, take your favorite restaurant. You only place a review if
1. You waited 45mins for food and got it cold, ate it anyways and got sick
2. Or everything was perfect and you got free drinks because it was your birthday, and also got half off as well
90-95% of everyone that goes to that same restaurant does not leave a review
Almost as bad as those who don't leave the games they hate are those that trash talk games they left but once loved. The MMORPG reddit is filled with people trash talking their ex (games).
Everquest! It was/is a fantastic MMO in many ways, but so many people got so addicted to it; I theorize they trash talk it so brutally in order to remind themselves not to do that again.
It's not really hate, it's discontent, and despair at a particular taste that is in decline.
I played BDO for like 5 years. It slowly chips away at your soul. The game was really fun but there was like a three year period where the most insane updates were pushed out. If you thought getting one combo'd to death was bad now, back when the renown system existed it would take one skill. Im not joking - strikers and berserkers could literally just use one skill and you'd die. The slow introduction of more p2w mechanics like value pack giving you something like 17% more money, adding in drop rate scrolls to the shop, various other qol buffs separated into different packages, character slots not being free when a class releases, tent, cron stones from melting costumes. Don't get me started on how items had invisible stats on them and we only go it changed because of datamines and KR outcry. Then you have the VARIOUS changes to just everything related to combat (which is the major selling point in the game). Changes like large scale sieges and how they functioned (I can talk for hours about this shit), the more recent karma changes, class balancing. I could really only put up with so much. After I quit I really only hear MOSTLY good things about BDO though, so I'm glad people dont have to crawl through the mud. They constantly give away freebies now, J hammers, crons, grinding gives more money, daily agris fever, daily loot scrolls, seasonal characters, etc. However I probably will never go back. The game just still feels so volatile. That, and the fact that it seems like NA just does not matter. Pretty much all changes to the game revolve around KR which is a very different climate to NAEU, MENA, JP, etc.
I was a hate promoter for RuneScape for years. Didn’t enjoy playing it was just a time-sink, and i tried to get my friends to join in hopes it would be more fun with them
Lmao this is like 50% of the Albion Online playerbase. So many threads on Reddit are either formed around saying that the game is trash, or devolve into that given enough time. I really don't understand it, and I never have understood why people play a game day in and day out then take to social media to dog on it. I have played the game for several hundred hours because I ENJOY it! If there was ever a reason for me to quit, it would certainly be due to the community. Great video, Waydot!!
Guilds are a thing. It becomes a social arena for groups who ONLY meet through that game, and they become fast griends - but can't bring themselves to leave the game even when the joy has gone out of that, because the camaraderie is more important. You have people in war who stay 'in' because they can't leave their comrades in arms. Same thing.
Although I think the main thing is, as Waydot mentions, people who like the game overall, but hate an ASPECT of it. It becomes this thing they talk about constantly and the center of their focus.
In my 19 years playing Runescape, I've never got to the point where I hated the game. I've come to grow bored of it for a time, sometimes I grew frustrated with the developers, but the game at the core I still love. I don't think there'll be a time I grow to hate this particular MMO, but maybe there'll be a time I don't go back to it.
PURPLE SHOES, PURPLE SHOES!
Haha just saw this. Your a legend man hope things are going well
Playing for too long, for the wrong reasons or because of the fallacies the player fell a victim for.
It may have psychological implications, but still, it never fails to give me a chuckle when I see someone with thousands of hours in a game leaving a negative review... Mate, turn the game off and find something that's actually worth that much of your time. Even if I find things that I don't like in my favourite game, and I do find plenty, I would never be able to say it's a bad game.
I never understood why people keep playing games they hate. I love mmos but if I'm unhappy with the one I'm playing I just hop to another one that seems interesting.
they don't. Do they? I never met anyone that does as this guy claims.
Love hate relationship lol. They still like some part of the game, but eventually, they just can't stop thinking about the things they hate about it. They can come back to check updates or stuff, but they still won't stick around for long.
It is a way to be critical of a thing you actually like. We use the word "Hate" too freely! Hate is such a .... visceral emotion. Do we really hate something or anyone? We might dislike them, not care or even despise something or someone, but hate? I dont know. It think it is verbal hyperbole.
I knew this video was going to include RS just based on the title
have you tried rs3?
It sucks that your opinion pieces don’t get as many views. This one and your last one about the aging mmo audience were great watches! Keep it up man
Oh cool! This happened to me recently, albeit it was some browser MMO that was supposed to be a successor to another old game I loved. After spending $200 on it, and really starting to hate it, I kept playing because I did not want to waste all that money I spent, and could have kept it to buy clothes, shoes, or etc. I did not know this phenomenon was called Sunken Cost Fallacy! Very cool.
About 1 day ago, I finally had enough. I hit a point in the game where I knew I had to keep spending even to play or enjoy it. Yes, it was a loss of money for me, but knowing I have an addictive personality, I quit because I just knew I'd keep blowing money on it. I do regret spending money, but I guess it was entertaining while it lasted. Money is always earned and spent anyway.
As for other games, I simply played for my friends who still played, and we mostly had fun together, despite how bad the game turned as the updates came along.
Your SWTOR video was actually tempting me to come back, because of the fun storyline I remember enjoying, yet my dislikes were still at the back of my mind. I knew I would have fun for maybe a day, but the cons I hated would slowly make me dissatisfied with the game again. Nostalgia is definitely a big problem gamers still have, but as I carefully consider the reason I played that game and if it's worth playing again, I finally decided that it's not.
Great video, thanks for discussing this!
I have found there's a lot of mmos I love the idea of playing more than actually playing. Just redownloaded both gw2 and wow onto the steam deck to really get the new vibes/way to play mixed with something that I felt like I wanted. Got it setup and BOOM don't even enjoy playing either of them. I don't get it. Shit is wild.
This is absolutely something that happens pretty commonly, strange you had that experience with GW2 however as I have found games with more horizontal progression (GW, ESO) to generally play into that fantasy of really exploring a living world and that idea of what an mmo should be. Everyone's different of course.
@@Waydots oh yea, it was more of like a hot dang. There's so much to do, I don't remember what I was doing, how do I even figure out the fun parts? 🫠
Ok I get your point and all but I really hope that paladin will ding 25 until Phase2 starts :D
I got like 8 days I'm sure I can pull it off!
Love your perspectives man, people are so doom and gloom about this hobby sometimes
I come from a long, long time of playing World of Warcraft.
Had played retail for years, but my Guild collapsed at some point, and never found a new group to play with.
Tried the Classic version, and found a stable place for years, all from the start, to end of 2nd expansion.
I quit, because I disliked the design choice of the raids, and of class balance. I quit, because the community was hostile beyond belief, and because the developers were on permanent radio silence towards the playerbase.
Playing a game for about 2½-3 years, that never really felt all that amazing... I got sick of it. At the end of it all, what got me to finally say "no", was the raids, and how damage numbers looked.
I like to play healer, and having spike damage, and spike healing, is just not a very interactive design for me.
That, and having zero impactful abilities, AS A HEALER, I got bored. So very bored.
I had only stuck around for so long, because of the people i played with.
Quitting WoW was certainly a very healthy decision for me to make.
It's been 6 months now, and I still don't want to play it.
made the same choice myself. i hope jagex gets their shit together and starts giving a shit about their community
I hate new maplestory, haven't played GMS since 2015. So now, players don't play cash cows they hate, they stick to the roots. Anyone who plays Maplestory now... God bless them for giving money to a scam.
Genuinely most fans I see of Wizard101 LOL.
I hate WoW because I know what it can be when it's well taken care of and loved by the developers.
i still don't hate osrs and I don't myself hating it in a very long time 😎
FACTS stop playing games you Hate!!
I don't know of 1 person who plays a game that they dislike. Never heard of anyone doing something like that.
Probably 90% of BDO player base when they realize their 30 thousand hours play time was for nothing but wasting time lol
Atleast in other mmos if you grind, you get cool stuff and the rest of the time you can spend it on PvE dungeons, raids, pvp, etc
But BDO is just grind, pvp is bullshit, no one gives a fuck about the story because it's boring, and the pve is similar to Diablo/PoE but without being fun at all and there's like 2-3 dungeons lmao
I loved wow from 2005 to 2007. It became hate during tbc and wolkt. So i quitted. Came back for classic vanilla, with one goal, to complete naxxramas at least. Then quitted again when tbc classic hit. I just tried sod but, after one month, i unsub. P2 will start without me. Why? Because i think this game won't give me what it gave me in 2005 and 2006 anymore. Runes are just spells from expensions, no real new stuff. Nostalgia doesn't last forever, and mentality of 2020's players is not mine. I come from Pen and paper rpg at the first place, i like play for fun, not for méta or gold or mini max stuff.
Wow is a dated game anyway, with ugly graphics in 2024. It is not worth 15€/month.
Waiting for ashes of creation.
For the moment i have MH, BG3 to make fun.
I'm sorry to hear that's your experience with SoD, I'm personally having more fun playing SoD than probably most other MMO's I've tried in the past... potentially decade. I hear ya though, nostalgia is fleeting.
@@Waydots i played wow classic on pservers too: nostalrius, kronos, turtle wow, elyseum, northdale Perhaps i played too much of this game. Thanks for your vids anyway.
I hate BDO yet I just bought 160 dollars worth of ingame currency on that scam game and still logged in. Game is trash lol.