Scheppach DP50 DP60 Digital Bench Drill / Pillar Drill / Drill Press Review
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- čas přidán 4. 06. 2024
- Bought on a whim, thought this machine worth sharing a review of, if for no other reason than an excuse for the rant at the end! I actually really like the drill - but for one flaw! Link below for the Italian supplier I bought from plus further specs.
Sceppach DP50 (now sold as DP60) - www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2959331996...
Techical data:
Dimensions: 330 x 300 x 715 mm
Base L x W x H 330 x 300 x 30 mm
Speed range 170 - 800 / 490 - 2600 min-1
Chuck cap 1.5 - 13 mm
Drill stroke 90 mm
Drill-Ø in wood 40 mm
Drill-Ø in steel 13 mm
Drive 2-Gear
Chuck to base max. 280 mm
Motor 230 - 240 V~ / 50 - 60 Hz
Input 710 W
Weight net / gross 10.3 / 13.1 kg
Packaging dimensions: 695 x 340 x 265 mm
/ bischbasch - Jak na to + styl
Bravo! Your rant is spot on. Subbing. Keep us updated on any 'fix' you may devise in the future.
Very helpful review. Agree entirely that focus should be on no nonsense and accurate drilling.
I agree, absolutely 100%. If I wanted to wing it I would use a hand drill. I was about to purchase one o these, no sure now!
Completely agree with you. And the first rule of engineering ... if you can't make it accurate (at least within budget), make it adjustable! ... Planer/Thicknessers are a perfect example of this. Lots of cheap ones with no adjustability, so if it's not true, it essentially gets scrapped. Crazy. And in regard to your 'it's got one job' comment, don't get me started on squares. How they manage to get those so out of true from the factory is beyond me. And no, it's not damage due to transport, the damn things have been riveted out of square. We can build a Raspberry Pi for a few quid, but heaven forbid we try and align and rivert two bits of metal square ....
Great points mate. I find it utterly bewildering. Adjustability at least would be great help. Just wonder who green lights tools that can't even at least do their primary function properly, choosing instead to fluff out with gimmicks or a fancy finish. Crazy.
Completely agree. Well said.
Your rant has triggered one of my own! Five or so years ago I spent a considerable amount of time trying to find a decent quality bench top drill press. I visited as many retail shops as I could, Axminster, Machine Mart, and a couple of independents. I got hands on half dozen different makes of pillar drill, and regardless of whether they were big name brands or not they were all crap! All had an unacceptable amount of play in the quill , giving exactly the problem you have identified.
I finally ended up with a Record Power pillar drill, which I was assured by one of their representatives had tight tolerances. Well guess what, it proved to be equally useless. I even returned it for their inspection and it came back 'repaired'. Unfortunately, the only discernable difference was a coffee cup ring mark on the top of the belt housing!
The truth is that the majority of these smaller bench top machine tools are cheap and nasty. And the option of buying a quality vintage tool does not work for small size tools like this since most of the old quality pillar drills are enormous.
That sounds exacerbating. It's not on.
Excellent review, & I totally agree with your comment It seems that money is peoples ultimate goal nowadays. Whatever happened to QUALITY before quantity.
Thanks for a great review, and rant, voicing what we all need/want in a budget but accurate bench drill.
Thanks Juli. Such a shame. I did really like the drill but the play in the drive shaft/chuck made it pretty much unusable for me.
@@BischBaschBosch I wonder if you can modify the bearings on these, as people do with the Bosch (apparently
there's videos on how to do this, on this platform).
@@kwakkers68 What bearings there were in this one were in the sealed motor unit. It's possible there's an accurate replacement that would fit out there but I decided not to try and sell the machine whilst still in good order.
There was a little bit of room in the body it looked like to add a secondary bushing or something on the shaft. But again, I wasn't that committed to this machine to try.
I noticed with the viewing angle of the second hole drilled in the aluminum that the center punched hole was not lined up with the drill point. Any normal twist drill will wander to and center on the punched hole. Shorter center drills are made for locating holes without the wander and once located the hole can be finished with the less stable twist drill. Not to say that the loose bearing that bearing that came with this machine should be accepted or tolerated. But more as work around. I like the digital depth read out, could explain why there is no scale on the manual lock.
this is part of the problem. Even when I've aligned the drill point to the punched hole, when I start the drill, often the alignment is off. I finished my plates by locating the punched hole and keeping the drill bit in contact with it when starting. Even aligning in the first place is hit and miss due to the movement. Worth saying that the plates in the video were spares. I was using them to demonstrate the wander. I got hold of a drill bit with a 45 degree tip which improved location and hole starting considerably. Still, all tips welcome. I'll keep my eye out for some short centre drills. Cheers.
a very helpful review that covers most of the questions I had, although I'm still in doubt whether the motor is really up to the job. Short, no nonsense and to the point, you've done your homework. So many other amateur CZcams reviewers fail to work out what they want to say first, and then spend ages trying to find the right words whilst their camera is taking crazy random shots of the floor. You'd make a good radio presenter.
Thank you. In fairness, although it sounds a bit rough, the motor has proved itself decent. Not long ago I took it onsite to drill 30mm holes with an auger, 200mm deep into joists for steel support posts. Had it on the high torque setting. Didn't struggle one bit. It's only let down in this department by the quick chuck which doesn't have great hold. Something I've learned since using it more. That and the wobble from the shaft of course.
Your a fantastic straight talker no words wasted absolutely on point Brilliant
Thanks Gary! Appreciated.
This is defo shy I subbed!
Just found you as your video was promoted, great review and totally agree I have a Machine Mart one and the base isn't either flat so it rocks on my bench. 40 years ago the drills would have been basic, well made and true and accurate. I remember buying a Black & Decker 1/2 inch hand drill and it cost me 2 weeks wages, it had a metal gearbox and it was quite accurate. Just wish manufacturers would just give us accurate tools with no frills.
Yep. I did consider getting something vintage. I've an old Coronet machine from the 60s superbly engineered. I went for this drill as it's light so I can lift on and off a bench easily. Such a shame. It's a brilliant little machine just missing attention to detail where it matters most!
You are spot on with your rant (no run out there!). It seems totally ridiculous that for the small extra cost of a good bearing the whole machine is flawed. Apparently the bosch ones are nothing to write home about either. This one and the bosch are the only two drills like this, and it is definately the way forward as far as bench drills are concerned. So come on manufacturers let's have so really quality bench drills of this type. They do a very good job with the hand drills.
Cheers Patrick. Yeah, it's a shame. They would otherwise be amazing small budget bench drills. There are good digital drills out there. The Nova Viking and Voyagers for example. Hell of a price difference though. Not what you could call "budget". I'll invest in the Viking myself at some point.
Totally agree with all you said in your rant, I have been toying with getting a drill press for longer than I can remember now, but have decided that I would not use it enough to justify it, and will stick to using my trustee Record power pillar drill stand. It's built like a tank, and I can put just about any of my drills in it. I got to be honest and say it was not cheap when I got it over 30 years ago though. Nice review, you saved me £££££ on a toy I don't need!!
If I had room for something larger and more robust, I would have gone that route. Unfortunately I don't have a shop. Just a corner of a garage. That's why I wanted something small and light. This drill is ideal in that sense. Just a shame on aly the bit wanders.
Good video. one of my laser crosshairs is about .75 mm out, can this be adjusted to bring it back to centre of the drill bit?
Thanks Greg. I've had the cover off briefly but honesty can't remember if there's adjustment for the laser. I think I remember it was screwed on so possibly, but you'll have to take the cover off.
Good honest review
I like your style. Power tools are so cheap in real terms now they're being bought by the world and his dog and the importers know gimmicks sell. A drill only has one task and technically is a very simple machine to manufacture so you are totally correct, there's no excuses and we all love a good rant!!
Thanks Brian. Seems to be increasingly the case. Pride in what the big players make has been replaced by pride in no. of units shifted it seems to me. I wasn't expect cnc mill accuracy but, even though cheap, it shouldn't be too much to ask that the machine can at least fulfil it's primary function.
@@BischBaschBosch I have an old Makita 13mm that still works but the hammer action has taken a pounding over the years. Having read your review I am now considering a bench stand £15 on Ebay and a variable speed controller. Even £150 presses still have belt adjust speed control.
I really like your no nonsense delivery BBB, rant aside this is a fair review and even with the rant still makes good viewing. All in all good stuff and for most DIY’ers this machine should be fine but I wholeheartedly agree with your manufacturer rant, they have one job to do so they should just do it, make the drill so it drills straight.
Thanks mate. It was frustration really. All the features and it's size/weight made it such a good drill with great potential and versatility. But the play in the shaft - just made it unusable. An accurate bushing would have cost next to nothing at manufacture. So close to being a must have for any small workshop.🤷♂️
Good review ,thanks. Your rant sounded like a speech from a Guy Ritchie movie lol love it
Good, clear review. Thanks. I just bought and Aldi/Ferrex knock-off that doesn't have the dual gear, light, or digital depth. Keyed chuck, and....... no play. So maybe the more complex gear-box is the problem?
Thanks. Yeah, the standard belt driven, induction motor driven type seem a lot more sturdy, cheap or otherwise. There's no gearbox on the digital one. As it's direct drive from a universal motor, all gearing and speed adjustment is digital. Therein lies the problem to my mind. On the more standard type, the actual drilling shaft is necessarily given more attention as it's decoupled from the motor. In this digital one, It's a straight shot from the motor to the shaft. Similar to a router - minus any kind of quality bushing/bearing of course.
Thanks, great review, and I totally agree with your summary "Rant" everything is about bells and whistles and spurious specifications that mean nothing !
Thanks mate. That chuck play was such a shame. It really could've been the perfect small shop drill. 🤷♂️
Totally agree with you on the gadgets v accuracy, so hard to find an accurate bench drill.
Thanks. And you're right. It's pretty hard to find a reasonably priced accurate bench drill. Better off looking at second hand vintage ones I think.
Excellent video and indeed perfect rant.
Just been making some DIY MFT clamps and my drilled oles needed to be better than eye ball, but had to use the two blocks of wood to get a some what parallel.
I think I will wait until LIDL gets them back in again, as at least I can take it back if it's pants.
Cheers Jason. Yeah, I shouldn't imagine it'll be too long before Lidl have these new versions. Great drill for the money and the play isn't much of an issue in wood. Fine HSS drill bits in aly or steel is a different story mind. Such a shame...hence the rant!
@@BischBaschBosch I bought the lidl parkside version (doesn't have the display) a couple months ago and has exactly the same issue, it is unusable! I'm planning on getting some drum sanders and using it for that instead as it just is too much play for me to trust it as a drill press.
Video idea for you could be doing a mod to fix the play?
@@EN12345 this scheppach one seems ok as a drill in wood but the wander is frustrating in metal. Have thought about a couple of possible fixes. If I find one that works I'll definitely make a video on it.👍
@@BischBaschBosch Lidl version in next week, was seriously thinking about one till I saw your review, accuracy is so important :-(
@@BischBaschBosch yes please have a think about making a video on correcting the wobble, mine does the same!
Thanks for the review!
Had the same 'play' problem on the Bosh model (made in China). No way to do accurate job... I sent it back. I'm using a Wabeco stand drill, much more efficient and multi-purpose...
You are spot on about primary purpose.
If only we had a chance of getting it through to companies!!
A thoroughly intelligent and helpful review, thank you 👍😀 It’s a real shame basic accuracy seems to have been compromised in order to offer the bells and whistles you mention, I wonder if the Bosch version is any better as the concept seems really good, a machine with a smallish footprint, plenty of power for most of the work I would use it for, no belts to mess with, I think I’ll investigate the Bosch version and see if it does without the inaccuracies ! I subscribed as you appear to have some great content, merry Xmas, cheers!
Appreciate the comments and the sub mate.👍 There's a few comments here from people with the Bosch. It seems it's a bit hit and miss too. Such a shame. Seems for a genuinely decent digital drill, you have to spend £1000+ for Nova Viking and Voyagers.🤷♂️
@@BischBaschBosch lol, the Nova options caught my eye, though a touch expensive for occasional use! 👍😀 Ps thanks for taking the time to respond to my comment, it’s appreciated.
Yeah, I bought a budget Clarke CDP5EB and have the same problem with the quill on that, it does seem a bit odd that, as you say, the primary function is not 100% there. There is a quill adjuster on the Clarke but it just jams with fine adjustment. Good tip on starting the hole lightly. I'll save up for a Bosh, I think.
According to others on here, the Bosch might be quieter but can suffer the same spindle wobble. Ugh...
@@BischBaschBosch the quest for a reasonably priced straight hole goes on...
Good review and rant! :-) I suspect the Bosch PBD40 is probably a better drill, but that wheel control puts me off; the Sheppach's lever one looks a lot easier to use.
Spot on. Saved me some £££ too. Totally agree about getting the basics right.
Thank you mate.
Thanks for the review you have me some money think I will get the Bosch
I have heard the Bosch version can suffer the same problem unfortunately.
Hi there and a very justified rant at the end,i have to be honest i have recently bought the cheaper version from lidl it cost £60 but its not digital,it did have a few problems with it, lasers not set correct easy fix, side to side wiggle once taken apart i made a little bracket for the slide its all but perfect now like you a slightly slower start also depth stop sticker not on correct good old dremel sorted that,the thing is i rarely need a pillar drill so no point spending alot
Not one to waste a machine, like you, I'll set about making a secondary guide to stop the play at some point.
@@BischBaschBosch Sometimes a little messing about can make all the difference and save a fortune
Get yourself a 45° spot drill and use it before using twist drill. Nice review.
Worth a try John, cheers.
excellent review, thanks for your detail observations, that has just saved me £129 from Aldi.
Thank you. Such a shame really. The features on the drill are brilliant and work well but the wobble rules out anything resembling accurate drilling
Just bought the new version from Aldi. DP60. The only fault is the laser is about 3mm out of alignment but I've just found the instructions to fix that. There is no chuck wobble on mine.
Would be good to see you doing a video of how to fix the problem.
Would have but there was no obvious fix looking inside nor slabs of metal like on normal pillar drills to attach a fix to. I just sold it shortly after doing this vid.
Nice review and breakdown.
Waiting for Bosch to make a "BLUE BOSCH" version of the PBD40, which is a really awesome machine,m Iv'e had it for years and it hasn't let me down.
That's a good point. I wonder if Bosch ever plan to grace us with a blue pbd?
I’ve been waiting for a blue version of it for 4 years. Don’t hold your breath.
I’m happy with the green version.
Looks like it may be difficult to take out the play in the spindle due to the style of machine. Only ever used ones with a quil which support the spindle on bearings at both ends, spindle running from either belts or a gearbox. You are at the mercy of that motor wobbling about directly driving the spindle from what i can see. Still, i find most general stuff doesn't require tight tolerances. Centre punch and you'll be fine. If i need to be more accurate i use a centre, that i turned, in the chuck and line it up with scribe lines ( not centre punched) before clamping. This looks a very convenient machine to use so i bet you use it often. I'm sure it will give you good service, i wouldn't worry about the play. Great vids mate, cheers.👍
Cheers Rich. Yeah, I've said to someone else in the comments that in wood, the drill is just fine. Play isn't noticeable or an issue. It is an issue on the aly plates I've been making though. Even though I centre punched the holes. It'll do though. Have to for the time being. I usually give machines and manufacturers a lot of grace, especially at low price points. I guess this one got to me as it is so feature loaded. Features I'd happily forego for a solid spindle.
@@BischBaschBosch I agree mate, spend the money where it counts, good bearings, good motors etc. Never really bothered with lasers on anything as i don'tt trust them, eg chop saws. I work with metal every day (when not furloughed) mostly mild, stainless and a bit of ally. I tend to let the drill run into the punch mark without the work clamped, to wobble it in to concentricity. I stop the machine while holding the bit in Contact with the work and then clamp. It doesn't really matter much about play then. Don't want to sound patronising, just a tip as i do it every day. Might help someone.
@@rich3633 good advice. Gonna give a 45 pointed bit a go with the aly for starting holes too. I welcome all tips personally.👍
@@BischBaschBosch cheers mate, i too welcome advice and tips, hence why i like your channel 👍. The cleverest blokes i work with listen to other people and benefit from their experience. Really enjoying the content so thank you for making it. One more from me, you want as close to the tip of the bit to touch off in the spotted hole as you can rather than the cutting edges as if they have not been ground perfectly one side will touch off first, giving you a wobble so an included angle of more than your chosen bit would be better imo. Presumably your hss bits are either 118 or 135 included so maybe grind an old broken bit to a shallower angle? Spotting/ stub bits first are best practice for precision. Personally i think for general fab you'll be fine just piloting and drilling with jobbers. I'll try and link a helpful article i once saw if I can find it. Thanks again, look forward to the next one. 👍
It's not often I sub from first video, but you impressed me so much with your analysis that I can't help myself.
So, should I buy the Bosch? Haha
Awesome mate, thank you! I probably wouldn't go for the bosch either. There's a few people in these comments and elsewhere who've reported the same issue with the Bosch. I've decided to save up a bit and get the real thing - Nova Viking or Voyager.
You've defo taken my attention away from the mainstream tool names, and mentioned some brands I never heard of, like Laguna.
I think for my level of amateur, the DP50 will suffice as I don't do much with metal, but I would splash out for decent planer/thicknesser and band saw.
@@darrenrigby5687 Honestly mate, I'd avoid the budget digital drills (dp50/55 etc). None of them have a traditional quill (inside a precision bushing) and will suffer with the wobble problem I mention. No good whatever material you're drilling really. Better off going for a budget induction motor belt drive. They all have the bushed quill so will at least drill straight. Which is what we really want all said and done. Like I say at the end of the vid though, it's such a shame as the digital features like speed control and depth readout etc are fantastic. But pointless if you're holes are on the wonk!🤷♂️
@@BischBaschBosch Just got accepted into a Makerspace that I been waiting to join since just before lockdown. It's got all the tools I need, and I'll let ya know what brands they carry once I've been! Hope you are having a nice day.
@@darrenrigby5687 Nice one. Just the ticket mate. I imagine that'll five you access to machines you wouldn't/couldn't have at home.👌
Thanks for thé review, its hard to find honest opinions not influenced by corporations this days. I'm going for the bosch then!!!
It was such a shame to be honest. It was so close to being a superb little drill but the spindle play just made it unusable. I got rid of it in the end. Despite have a better motor and return springs etc, there's been mixed feed back on the Bosch too. A few people saying it also has spindle play. Seems the only decent digital drill is the Nova voyager which is over £1000. Best bet is stick with conventional belt and induction motor drills if on a budget I think.
I expect most people would buy this as it offers simple speed control without having to change belts, has a laser and LED, depth control, is small/portable and has a built-in clamp etc. It's also over £100 cheaper than the Bosch version (in fact Aldi were selling it for £130 in the UK in October).
There are also comments on line about drilling accuracy/runout on the Bosch version. One guy changed the chuck on his Bosch to improve the situation as that seemed to be the main culprit. I'm not sure if the more noisy gearbox on thee Scheppach makes it worse)
Nerdy data - the Rohm chuck is specified as better than 0.35mm runout and the Bosch user was getting 0.23mm. He changed the chuck which is intended for hand drills for one specified as better than 0.17mm and got a result of 0.07mm. There is an even better Rohm chuck which guarantees better than 0.05mm, but it is over £130 for the chuck alone.
Out of interest, what would you consider as an acceptable accuracy for a DIY pillar drill?
Given that Bosch seem to sell lots of these, it suggests that the marketing people have got it right - people love bells and whistles and they are cheap to provide in volume. However, accuracy is expensive and if you took away the bells and whistles and sold it as 'better accuracy than xxx' I don't think they would sell as many
It's not run out from the chuck. You can remove the chuck and wobble the drive shaft from side to side. Let's start with that for what I expect for accuracy shall we? That at least the drive shaft doesn't rock back and forth! Garbage drill.
I have the lidl version, the play in spindle is annoying, I have bought a decent bearing for the spindle and hoping that once I have fitted it performance may be improved!
Yeah, thought about doing that. Would love to know how it works out.👍
Bisch Basch Bosch when I get round to it I will tell you but at the moment tied up with making things for the NHS & other local health organisations
@@pcka12 would be great sharing this whenever you're able
Did you replace the bearing? If yes, did it solve the wobble?
@@pcka12 hi, did you get fit a new bearing?
Use a center drill to spot the hole first, they are more rigid and designed to guide the drill bit from wandering. Used all the time in high precision lathes and milling machines. You’d be shocked to know that drills don’t make perfectly circular holes either and need to be reamed after so for a precision hole that’s 3 operations!
Yes, I do have a set of centre drills now which do help. But still, the wander in this drill is ridiculous. It's garbage.
I was wondering if not having it bolted to the bench would have anything to do with the wobble everyone is talking about which I could send photo for you
Nah, the play is in the chuck spindle itself, direct from the motor. Bolted down or not, that play would still be there. Such a shame.
@@BischBaschBosch good to know thanks for the reply
Aldi or ferret obviously listen they have changed the chuck on the drill to a key chuck and dosnt seem to be any wobble at all now
I’ve just bought one of these, and I totally agree with every you’ve said. God it’s noisy. I’ve bought some SKF bearings for it (the larger armature bearing feels rough from brand new). I’m hoping the quality 6002 chuck bearing will improve it considerably. Thanks for posting btw. Have a sub!
Thanks mate. I was wondering if there was a compatible bearing of better quality. I'll look into it at some point. Would live to know if yours work out.👍
Please could you let us all know how the new bearing improves the pillar drill.👍🏻
Yes, let us know!
Sorry, the speed controller gave up the ghost, and it's pretty much scrap now, unable to get a replacement.
100% agree with your rant! To add insult to injury, perhaps, we might ponder o 2 other factors -
1. What the poor sods who assemble such items are paid
and
2. what the mark-up is, across European markets? 50%? 100%? **
(yes, transportation is a factor - but this is often state subsidised)
What I'm getting at is this - the problems we see, when buying things like this, aren't due to
the viability of doing 'x' right - but very much more to do with extracting the very last trace of profit.
It isn't because they 'can't', it's because they don't want to!
BUT, when some bright spark realises there's a massive pillar-drill shaped hole in the market (cheap-ish AND accurate)
they will certainly make a killing!
Even more so, if they can couple that up with half decent warranties and customer service.
** Many moons ago now, I used to work for a firm that sold power tools - DIY and Trade.
The margins were tighter on the trade tackle, as they had to be built UP to a spec - to take the hammering
they'd get.
Not so, the DIY stuff - it was all built down to a price. One rep let slip that the products of a very well known
brand (clearly not Bosch!) were designed to last 16 hours!
Why? Because that was just slightly over the maximum usage an average punter would use it
over the course of a 12month warranty.
5 bonus points for anyone that can guess the brand! ;-)
Yeah, unfortunately "down to a price" is all too common on budget tools. Even some more expensive ones tbh. I just thought it was such a shame with this drill. The features were superb but, all for nothing given the play in the chuck. A pretty fundamental issue.
Happy with my parkside pillar drill, no digital read out, no Lazer (edit: just found out it does have a Lazer) but cost just under £60 and it seems they bought better bearings. If I really like the form factor I may go for the Bosch but would have to have a big project to justify it, that really needed the precision of digital read out.
I did consider the lower priced, more traditional bench drills but, not having a workshop, I was lured in but the light weight for lifting it on an of the bench.
@@BischBaschBosch my parkside is a basic copy of the Bosch, so ali base and same clamp style, the motor part is movable up and down the shaft where it can then be locked, then you have the springs length to be able to drill in to material, think it's great compared to traditional one from Titan (Screwfix) which was about the same price, maybe even 10 pounds more at £70 ish when I got the Titan.
Good point.
Cheers.👍
Couldn't agree more with your end comments
Cheers mate. Couldn't help myself.😉👍
Muy buen vídeo. Había visto vídeos sobre el Bosch en el que este está inspirado, muchos se quejan de la holgura del eje y de la falta de precisión del láser. Estuve viendo vídeos de este modelo azul similar al Bosch pero más barato, sin embargo en ninguno había visto que también tenía el problema de la holgura del eje como sucede en el Bosch. Ya me ha desilusionado, para comprar uno de este precio con ese problema de serie, prefiero gastar la mitad y comprar uno de correas que si coincide y tiene ese problema, lo encontraré más justificado por el precio. Un saludo y gracias por mostrar esos defectos.
Yeah, it is disappointing. A shame because it could have easily been a very good machine. I'd recommend getting a traditional belt drive machine.👍
great video
Thanks Lawrence.👍
Nice rant mate thanks for this I’m looking to by a new drill press and you have just saved me £150 shame its come out of your pocket ☹️
Well, I'll keep using it anyway. Such a shame because I think it's a great little drill. But I bought for drilling aly profile and plate. In wood it's fine but in aly, it wanders about.🙄
Was just about to purchase one of these in Aldi . Decided to get a good honest review and you provided one. 149 euro saved . My search continues
I think it's a real shame. Lots of decent, really useful features on this drill. Digital depth readout, lights/laser and speed control are brilliant. All for nothing as it can't drill straight. Unfortunately, there's very few drills like this with digital speed control that are decent. Unless you can justify the money for a Nova Voyager.
I've just had a look at the DP60 which is on offer in Aldi at the moment, the noise and the comments here about the spinal movement have made me decide to pass and I'll continue to look for an old second hand bench top drill. I want some thing with less wobble than my current cheap drill stand and hand drill combo.
If you want something with less wobble than a hand drill in a stand then I'm sorry to say, these drills aren't it. If budget is limited, my advice would be forget these toys and scour the second hand market for a reasonable condition second hand bench drill.
Great overview, and totally agree on the annoying gimmicks comment!
Cheers Keith. Sometimes you just gotta let it out
It's true that any product should satisfy the primary purpose for which it is made.
I still have nightmares after PARKSIDE PTB 710W model. It wasnt able to drill in the wood.
Personally I own the Parkside E5 drill press after few modifications and I would never go for those "new" ideas, be it Bosch or its clones. There is something to the sound of the engine and belt than that high pitched sound of those engines. Not to mention, if something breaks you can either fix it or replace it yourself and not send it back.
I know what you mean. I have an old Coronet from the 60s - lots of iron and belts! Will outlast me I'm sure. Due to lack of room, I was sold by the light weight, no fuss of this drill. Quickly lifted on and off the bench when needed. When I have a unit I'll replace it with something more substantial.
Have you ever found a budget pillar drill without wobble?
Quite a few. The models I've seen most are the bench top ones from the likes of Sealey, Record Power and Clarke at local dealers. All in the £150-250 price range and pretty much wobble free. They were all induction motor, belt driven and seems to be the important factor. It's the way this type are put together. The drill shaft necessarily runs in a precision sleeve - a brass type bearing - and so is much less prone to wobble at the shaft. The problem with this digital drill was the shaft was direct from the motor - an extension of the armature. There was no extra bearing/sleeve/bushing to true it up just above the chuck.
@@BischBaschBoschArggh, I made a reply but I think I put a URL in there to a Sealey-branded version of the same drill in this video and it was auto-deleted. I'll look into the old fashioned type and the Bosch.
@@AndrewHelgeCox unless you can afford a Nova Viking or Voyager, I'd avoid the cheap digital drills, including the Bosch. Just get a traditional one. A good condition vintage one even. 👍
Agree, focus on developing the function, down press and drill.
Yep. It's a shame. If they'd only added a bearing/sleeve to stabilise the shaft, the digital features would've made this an incredible little machine!🤷♂️
Aside from the fact that I would never buy anything Scheppach because it is craptacular, the 1mm run out would be enough to turn me off any drill press. Additionally, like the Bosch machine it lacks the ability to tilt the table. I recently replaced my similarly garbage Cryobi press with the DVR Voyager and it is such a joy to use.
If I'd known about the run out from the off, I wouldn't have bought it. Tilting table wasn't necessary for my needs, though straight drilling was. Unfortunately I've neither the room nor need to justify spending Nova Voyager or Flott type money. I work on site, not out of a workshop. One day maybe. I wasn't expecting much from this Scheppach, not least because it's Scheppach. I did assume it's at least be able to drill straight, small holes through soft 1050 aly at least though!
@@BischBaschBosch Your expectations were too high my friend. My old Cryobi would likewise weeble wobble the hell over the place. If you need to ease the bit into the material like you were in order to get an accurate hole placement it REALLY slows you down and makes production runs on even medium sized projects agony.
I will buy an used Bosch or go for a drill stand from Wabeco... thank you for the test! 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍💪🤗🇨🇭
Maybe wabeco might be a better choice. Apparent some of the Bosch have play too.
Aimed at the DIY market where play is not a dirty word. Same with that Bosch, its the first thing checked when I was in the market, no wonder its a "Green' and not a 'Blue'
It is aimed at the diy market but even so, like I said at the end, budget shouldn't mean poor. Just because some DIYer might not notice the difference, shouldn't mean companies can feel they can get away with selling them garbage.
@@BischBaschBosch I agree with you, but the bells & whistles will mean more to the average DIY'er that some play in the chuck.
Hi do you still use this drill much?
Hi Sam. No mate. Sold it straight away. Just couldn't live with it.
@@BischBaschBosch thank you for saving me £129!! I've never really liked bench drills
Very fair comment...
just a thought with the depth stop not being calibrated. Once you have reach a desired depth, reading from the digital, it is a simple matter of pulling into locking position on the locking handle on the manual depth gauge and all holes drilled from that point on should all be the same depth. you only have to read digital once.
Cheers. Yeah, thats kind of what I meant by setting it on the fly. Find the depth by measuring or via the onboard digital gauge then set the stop. Best thought of more as a repeat stop.
Surely it can't have more play than the crappy bosch version???
Couldn't say mate. Some folks commenting here say their Bosch has play too, some saying it's fine. Luck if the draw with those I guess. These scheppach ones, going by what some German reviewers have posted, all seem to have play. Gutting. Really wanted to like it...and more importantly use it!
@@BischBaschBosch I have the PBD40 and it is about as accurate as bugger all. Wobbles around all over the place. This one looks no worse, but sounds a lot worse as you mentioned. Great vid.
Thus buy Bosch if you want to drill straight?
Well, I know from using my friends Bosch that it's a much smoother, quieter machine. Though someone has said here that a number of reviews have shown the bosch to have some chuck play too.🤷♂️
@@BischBaschBosch Very well said on the end there. Couldn't agree more. I have the Bosch and the chuck/spindle is pretty tight. That's good, but it means that you need to keep to that level of quality in your drill bits as well. I drill mostly in wood with brad point bits and if there is any runout in the bit a more rickety drill can cancel that out and give a decent hole as the tip digs in, but the Bosch does not give and just shakes the workpiece.
@@mariube10 Good to hear Marius. Sound like luck of the draw as to whether we get a solid spindle or not.
This press has worked like a charm for my projects czcams.com/users/postUgkxajoEbapTfqWaadnqb04h6U576yxXp-FE . I didn't even secure it to my table top, mainly due to the fact that I was using a 15 lbs drill vise. It's not flimsy at all as to what others have claimed it to be. Make sure the locking nuts and levers are secured and there won't be any issues with light pressure and patience. I was able to drill through aluminum, plastic, and steel (steel took a while) with no problems at all. Yeah it took a little longer than a regular drill press, but I don't have the space OR the money for one.The instruction manual was worthless, but luckily assembling the press was intuitive. However, the manual would be good for ordering replacement parts if needed. There is a nice breakdown of the parts that are included in the kit. Before ordering, make sure it is compatible with your unit, it is clearly stated what models the press is compatible with.This was an excellent purchase for $40!!
Cheers. Do you mean the drills pretty? It is I suppose, as much as these things can be. It was fantastic in so many ways - except the one that counts - such a shame.
The Bosch machine has the same problem with the wiggle on the chuck.
Yeah, so it seems from a few comments on this now. It's a real shame as the concept of these small digital drills is fantastic. It's just execution is poor.
Too be fair my bosch has play in the spindle. If you search a lot of owners complain about it
Cheers Stephen. Mate of mine has the Bosch. Not checked it for play tbh. Certainly sounds a lot smoother. I guess the same applies to Bosch in my rant if play is an issue on those too.
Play really is an issue on the Bosch. I wouldn’t buy it again. Hooked on Wood had the same experience I believe.
@@emmetworkshop2829 Looks like if we want a decent digital drill, we'll have to save up for Nova Voyagers!
The one I got, stoped working after maybe 3-4 work hours.... Electronic cousing motor to stop 2 sec after turning power on... Going straight to trash can
Gutted mate. I would say you should've used the warranty for refund or replacement but, your call. Think I probably did about 4 hours on mine before deciding I couldn't live with it and got rid. It is still going though (family member had it off me). You just don't know with these budget tools sometimes 🤷♂️
as far as I can tell this is a clone of the bosch pdb40?
Yeah, I say in the vid it's a clone of the PBD 40 but 100 quid or so less with a rougher/noisier motor and a lighter return spring.
@@BischBaschBosch ok, thanks
Wish they made them for US electrical systems.
I don't know if it's the case in the US but, here in the UK and EU, Lidl and Aldi sell (or have sold) repackaged versions of this Scheppach drill (DP 60 now I believe). Might be worth looking into. Failing that, the Nova Viking and Voyager are digital drills. Albeit with significantly higher price tags that the Scheppach but much more professional quality for it. Bosch also do a digital drill almost identical to scheppach but, it's sold here in their green tools diy range which I don't think you can get in the US.👍
@BischBaschBosch that's true. And all the Digital Drill Presses and their clones, will not work on 120 volt US system without some costly modifications.
The teknatronic is just way too expensive for me to not have guilt from buying it.
And since I only have one functioning arm/leg ill be stuck in the nightmare of speed adjusting via a belt forever (although it's easier than changing a bandsaw blade lol.)
Sadly, it's like a *good* left blade track saw... it'll never exist for me. 🤣 🤣
Thanks again, stay warm, and enjoy the holidays! Cheers!
IMNSHO, a solution looking for a problem.
The extras are if they mean a trade off in drill accuracy. I actually think it's a great little drill, perfect for moving on and off the bench. But...
Unfortunately gadgets are what sell a product like this. They aren't going to put 'High quality bearings!' on the side of the box, if 'Gimmicky laser!' is more likely to shift units.
That's all true. I just think it's really cynical that companies do this. No pride. Just bottom line.
Congratulations on an excellent review. There was no point going any further given the evident poor performance in primary function. Saved me some money but like you I am disappointed.
Thank you mate. I still use the thing but honestly, my swear jar fills up quickly. Love the features and useability of digital drill but it seems for one with any kind of accuracy, you have to spend Nova Voyager money. Such a shame. I would have loved to have given this a positive review.
Hi, and apologies for bein' late ta the party; YouBoob just fed me the link. I'll sub. inna bit but jus' wanna point out: all the super-florus "fee-churs" are cheep throw-aways cuz the 'lektronics frum Chiner is so cheep.
You can actually upgrade the puppy cheeper than you'd hafta pay iffen the manufactory put the bearing in (and marked up the price at each level).
I hope you tear it down right now and upgrade it to your standards 'cause the "warranty" is almost worthless, and your satisfaction will be 🌋
Probably mate. Yeah, defo think a strip down is in order see if ir cant be made good. Cheers.👍
It's too difficult to read
The product marketing people won over the technical design team. Always the way these days. :(
All to often I reckon.
thx for the test :p ! i will don't this shit
Yes. I still use this drill but wish I'd bought something else.
Bought one from Aldi this weekend in a clearance. £70 instead of £130. Opened the box took one look at it and said it’s going back. Piece of crap.
In honesty David, I kind of felt the same when I first opened mine up but, as I have this channel, thought I'd give it a crack in case it was a pleasant surprise. It wasn't of course. I've sold it on now.
The Bosch costs £249
Yeah, you can get the Bosch for as low as £249 new but it's rrp is £329. Seems good value either way in hindsight.
Bells whistles and lasers sell products, accuracy doesn’t (except for the few of us actually wanting a good tool).
I agree. I just think it's a sad state of affairs.
Glad I bought the Bosch - this looks like a nasty rip-off.
You noticed no play in the bosch spindle/chuck? Seen a couple of reviews since that show play on those. Bosch defo has better motor, gearbox and return spring though.
@@BischBaschBosch No, I haven't any play in the spindle/chuck assembly. I can't say that I'm a fan of the raise/lower wheel but I haven't been motivated enough to change it.
Sorry, but unfortunately most people want the cheapest, and if it comes with gimmicks that they think they need, then a sale is made. Most people at this price point won't be too concerned at the drill wander. Most will bee thinking it's the cheap Chinese bits they are using that's causing the issue.
It's much easier to sell something if it has all the bells and whistles. If you can get away with cheap components under the cover then you probably making a good profit. So I think this company knows what it's doing. It knows the market and it knows its customers, and they don't mind cheap bearings.
I've no doubt the company knows what it's doing. As a full time chippy, I only buy pro gear for work so it's been ages since I bought a budget tool. But it's a cynical old world where manufacturers, budget or not, knowingly produce sub par performing gear (by which I mean it's primary purpose), in favour of bells and whistles. Someone who's a bit of a DIYer or weekend warrior might be a mug, not really knowing what they doing, but the companies who treat them like one for the sake of a quick sale are insulting. Personally, j don't think it's on mate.
@@BischBaschBosch I know where you are coming from. I agree. I like to buy quality things that last, but there are many DIYers that can't or don't want to afford that quality.. Nice video review BTM!
Use a punch first and the drill wont walk. Those machines designed to be used for light hobby use with small drills. I got one and I love it. Well worth the £130.00 from Aldi.
The holes you see me drill were punched bud. Still wanders. Problem is, the wander will either locate in the punched divot at an angle or, even if dead centre, will walk when pressure is applied. I actually love the features on the drill. It's great to use ...except it can't drill on a mark! Yes it's for light use but drilling small holes in aly is light use. Damn, even the 12v drill can do that.
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Bloody hell! Even a such serious machine is just out of round! See how much it wobbles, when drilling at czcams.com/video/nq8p0AwzKkc/video.html
I came across this video, because I bought a drill that wobbles too, and was looking for any better solution. It is ridiculous, that nowdays all of the available machines does not do the very basic function of running precise. No wheels, shafts, pulleys, tensioners, are straight, flush or even round at all! I just bought a Makita belt sander and the front runner was not round, so it wobbled! I had to mill it down in diy circumstances to make it even usable. And that is a top branded belt sander, the strongest, most expensive in their range!
Exactly Greg. It's just not good enough but seems to be creeping into all brands at nearly all price brackets. Cost cutting to keep the shareholders happy is one thing but doing it to the point that fundamental requirements of the machines/tools aren't met is a just too far. It needs calling out more often but a lot of the time, folks will plod on with it not making a fuss or fix it themselves. Shouldn't have to.
Packed with gadgets and widgets, maybe the target audience was women....
The company is always the same
You mean Scheppach? They used to do some reasonable semi pro workshop machines - the yellow ones. They seem to have gone downhill a lot.