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The ... “you’re tellin’ me one day, I won’t have to wipe?”
“No Neo. I’m telling you, one day... you won’t have to shit.” ... I almost threw up on my laptop laughing so hard from this hahaha.
that one’s an all timer. i wish they’d have felix on more often
@@feedmewifi_477 Felix is so good on the show, he and Ian are probably my favorite guests.
@@paulfroelich1024 agreed
lmfaaooo
And then they just move on as if it wasn't one of the absolute fucking funniest bit everr
Best part of this is Adam desperately trying to let Nick and Stav know that he knows what the allegory of the cave is and them completely ignoring him
damn he's smart & super gay huh
Nick gets proven wrong. Adam gets ignored and called gay. Nick wins. Stav eats a chicken wing.
Hilarious
but it isn't at all about plato's cave. nick wins.
It would also make it an allegory for an allegory which in his defense is gay.
"the sins of the dance party in Zion" is an underrated line from Adam.
Adam selling out Israel yet again
@@videogamenostalgia good.
So fucking sweaty. Makes my skin crawl.
Underrated? Who rates cumtown jokes? It's not even one of the funnier or more clever parts of the bit
@@videogamenostalgia m
Nick is both smart enough to understand sub text in films yet stubborn enough to deny their existence just to argue with Stavros. Wild
I mean he's right, their is zero subtext about having dysphoria, they became trans and then just said their most famous movie is about what they are.
@@zachburskey8868 yeah, in that specific instance he’s probably right, (although to say that it flat out doesnt have christ allegory is just a dumb take) but to out and out act as if movies are only always about whatever is being presented on the surface is just a stupid thing to say
@@TheDamnWinner Yeah I agree it's purely a Jesus allegory, you can even here it in Nick's voice he knew he was wrong about that part.
He doesn't understand the difference between literal meaning and subtext. They would probably find a Kubrick movie dull. Anyone who can't see past the first few layers would.
hyperborean
Stav's first thought when hearing about spray on skin grafts is "Can you spray an asshole shut?"
A beautiful bald mind
Stav has a beautiful head of hair
@@nakedfatmantalking9222 yeah, on his ass
I mean doesn't it take a long time for the skin graft to take? You'd have to bypass the anus for 4-6 weeks to restore an anal hymen. Otherwise spraying stem cells on your asshole just seems like a nice way to experience anal fissures every time you take a shit.
@@zachb8012 Just use a colonoscopy bag lol
I found play-doh in a cave once and i ate it, it was an allegory for me going to the hospital
Hell yeah dude
I too like to think it was clay that man made me eat.
@CinemaOffal Productions the play-doh was allegory for a pozzed load
No
i ate a lot of play-doh growing up and it never sent me to the hospital
The gaytrix
I’ve come for my pilgrimage to this comment as always
woooo
Now you’re dialing my number
hell yeah dude
I want a gaytwix
“For a second there, I thought you were a gay.”
...
“Most gays do.”
6D Chess
Jacob Finch Rooftop Connect 4
hi am a gay
Adam is literally right about the Cave allegory and Nick is just ranting about strict textualism I love this show.
Nick knows its about 2:29 he says NO when adam says its all an allegory cos that does sound initially stupid
Ah cool, platos allegory of the cave. Nice
@@rickymoen9482 Platos anal story in a cave
@@tuttosalve8352 platos allegory of the anal cavity
@@rickymoen9482 Plato, have an allegory all in my cave 😖
The “This Would Be Tight” plot premise is an important addition to film critique from esteemed gay film Professor Mullen
He has the tightest asshole of any gay man to ever live.
The Harry Potter books were about being gay with old men
Lemon party 🍋 🎉🎉🎉🎉
The harry potter books are books about being gay with your dad
Exactly that’s why he lived in a closet under the stairs and mentally escaping to a world where he has powers and a leather daddy of a teacher/father role.
Thats the average British childhood mate
It's about busting magic from your little wand all over your friends.
nick's understanding of the machine's pov is very on-brand.
Nick is exactly the type to watch The Animatrix, never admit to it, then wholeheartedly believe the machines did nothing wrong
@@wikipediafollower damn I fucked up huh
@@wikipediafollower he just like me fr fr
"This is my ship, the Shadowthehedgehog" 🤣
"What does Neo do that is remotely Christ-like?"
In the last movie when he's wounded and dying he puts his legs together and stretches his arms out and they literally overlay a crucifix of bright light over him whilst a choir starts singing lol.
Are you arguing with or against Nick? That's kind of the Wachowski things just forcing it.
don't forget he is prophesized and dies and does miracles too
@@CFChristian I mean the second and third movies are shit, but the directors clearly intended for him to be a “Christ figure” in the third movie at least
@@jpeg204 I don't remember the point I was trying to make. I was up for 24 hours that day. 😂
that's not christ like as christ is actually Horus like
Love adam being annoyed by Nick calling them the wachowski brothers
I wrote that in a review once and there were people askng me to delete it and shit so added "at the time" after The Washowski brothers.
@Tashil Ajtsho "Men aren’t women." How dare you?
@Tashil Ajtsho unless they're women
@@johnnytwotimes7854 Yeah, women are women.
Men are men and woman are woman, how did we get to the point that needed to be said
The matrix is essentially about what happens when two carpenters come up with a unique idea make a movie then get into the L.A. BDSM scene and get really into sissyfication.
It's about two plumbers that go to a magical kingdom to save a princess.
Damn, this is too much buzzwords for my coked up brain
the only real answer
i love how all of this stems from someone asking one of the chowsk siblings at a panel “is the red pill a metaphor for estrogen” and them saying “i mean that wasn’t what we were thinking when we made them but yeah i can see how uve came to that conclusion”
Which is a perfectly reasonable response.
I mean that's some of the beauty in art. People can have different interpretations of a story or visual piece that can give different perspectives on the art itself or the new topic they're connecting it to.
I'm not saying that every interpretation is a good one, because certainly there are a lot of weak connections people make.
@@newthrash1221 Because saying "its about being trans" is an absolute dumbshit way of wording it. But the premise was always about using a pill to become who you really are. "Waking up". Those themes weren't accidental. They might not have been intentionally making a trans movie, but they were making a movie about not being your true self, and how to get there. Which later we can see why they might have been interested in exploring those themes.
@@ERoBB1 that feels like a reach. it's more like take the blue pill and be ignorant but happy or take the red pill and fully expand your mind and "wakeup"
@@PalacEvphoria Uh huh, and what does "wake up" mean? Morpheus uses fairly literal language about "becoming who you actually are". Clearly they were writing about themes of not feeling like their true selves and what if someone could show you how to find yourself (with a literal pill). It's not a reach at all. Feels like a lot of people here have never encountered a metaphor. I assure you, they get vaguer and more complex than this one.
Nick is arguing something less like "death of the author" and more like "genocide of the author and also everyone else" lol
That’s when the movie is no longer about the plot and you can only watch it to admire the technical aspects, like the CGI, cinematography and soundtrack
When the movie came out, the Wachowskis were very open about it being a metaphor for Simulacra and Simulation by Jean Baudrillard. You can see the book on the shelf in one scene. It claims that society at large is no different than a simulation filled with copies without originals.
They literally changed the meaning of the movies after their transition.
If anything, its "Suicide of the Author" as they themselves killed the author
It's not death of the author when the metaphor wasn't even intended at the time. Also forget metaphors and themes, movies are kore fun when you can just enjoy them for being cool.
My man came out of the gates strong talking about “The Matrix isn’t about anything”
It's just about a computer system
it’s amazing how much Nick knows about the movie yet doesn’t understand it, meanwhile Stav defends it like he understands it but doesn’t know the basic plot points of any of the movies.
absolutely incredible.
I think Nick understands it well enough. Adam too (allegory of the cave).
He's just against this forced narrativization of art, even when done by the original creators 20 years later. Part of the reason it was so popular is because it meant so many things to so many people. Creators coming out and saying "screw your perspective, here's the only true one" is just slapping the audience in the face. It is a valid one for them and many others, but it is just one of the many.
My thoughts too.
@@Avengerie Yeah that's why I liked how the Wachowski's just encouraged people to look at their movies through a trans lens and left it at that. I don't think even they could argue the movies are spefically about being trans
@@Avengerie they never said it was just one perspective even when talking about the trans angle, Matrix takes from many things which they acknowledge still.
@@arturobandini4078 narrativisation is a real world. Like narrativised...you tried so hard with that one too.
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8 counts of running thru a stop sign ($200 ea.)
Total citation: *$6,740* and that's letting you off easy
The Gaytrix: Blow-loaded
The gaytrix: loads
"After the 12th season of Blackish there was a mass suicide." Hell ya adam
That Orgy/ Metal Concert they Have before Zion is Invaded by Machines makes sense now
It was Trans End Dance
this is one of the best jokes ever put on youtube, nice job
@@jimmy87587
You are very welcome, glad I could add some Clarity , lol
Beautiful comment
Super cool
@@mutestingray Something satisfying that after 3 months not a single person interacted with any of your many insufferable comments on this video. Made me smile. Don't reply unless you're insecure🖕
“I think the real matrix, was the friends we made along the way.”
Gay friends
watching this i like to imagine im an uber driver and im driving 3 drunk gay guys home and this is the conversation they are having in my car.
“Aren’t all those movies about something”
Thank you professor Stavros for explaining Plot
That was a statement not an explanation
My god, the matrix is the cave... lol I can’t believe Adam is right for once... aaaaand nick doubles down on nihilism. Lmfao
I feel embarrassed that it took listening to Cum Town to realise this myself.
In a way Nick is still right, the matrix isn’t about “the cave” either, sure influenced by it but it is a whole separate thing.
@@scratguy4510nope same thing
The first Matrix was about shedding societal delusions and awaking to reality, the second and third movies were about money, and the fourth movie was about social "justice". This podcast is about christ.
This podcast is about being gay
Me coming back everyday to hear the 'If you cannot shit, Mr. Anderson' bit
I've never seen or heard anyone struggle to understand any movie like Stav. He never wants you to spoil a 40 year old movie and at the same time can't remember what happened 3 seconds prior.
He's a literal bugman. Check out his take on the Jussie Smollett thing, it's mind-blowing how he always comes back to "but the news said..."
He's an idiot.
Hell yeah dude.
7:20 Adam mumbling a protest that Nick confused one set of jewish sibling film makers with another is a mood i carry with me in my daily life, wanting to point out factual errors people are making but realizing speaking up will just get you called gay.
You sound gay
You carry strong bug vibes my dude
This is a pretty good format, actually. A recording of a podcast like Cumtown playing on a radio in a GTA game is expected. You could edit together more driving clips like this, but add in a change, where each video ends with the car crashing and the podcast ending abruptly.
if you have it on pc you can just put the mp3s in a folder for the custom radio channel
#pcmasterrace
@@fisty539 i have done this with cumtown before, my gf came home and she knows cumtown too but nothing of video games and she was all "holy shit cumtown is in gta?!?!"
@@oh-not-the-bees7872 you don't have a girlfriend
@@oh-not-the-bees7872she sounds pretty stupid I hope you dumped her for that dumb shit comment
7:48 you know damn well what Nick wanted to say.
"Could you spray an asshole shut?" NOW we're asking the real questions
The gta driving is a nice touch. Peaceful to watch while I listen
I have never played GTA (don't own a games console) but would love to just drive around like the player in the video is doing.
@@LuisCarruthers Get GTA San Andreas on Android. It's like 5 bucks or something.
Instead of leaving an obligatory anti-Semitic comment I'll just say that the war between machines and man was started by people, the machines tried to be cool. It's shown in the Animatrix.
Yeah neo sacrificed himself for humanity's sins like jesus
Fuck machines, they are just programed to think they deserve to exist
just like us
it's actually because we got butthurt that they cornered the crypto market and then they started making flying teslas that aren't pieces of shit
Elon couldn't take it
And then they ripped a dude's arms and legs off as they tore him out of his mech suit.
the black nerd trope is a welcome addition to the cumtown canon
As a deeply closeted trans-woman i’m
proud of Nicc for sticking to her guns here
Cant wait for Matrix 4 to ruin this series even more
@meowington meowsworth if youre trans gay does that mean your straight?
Who is forcing you to watch literally any movie? If you only like the first, just watch the first one. It's a pussy move to keep pumping money into and watching these big corporations' dumb movies because it's a 'sequel' or it's 'canon' or whatever the fuck. Make your own decisions.
I'm gay.
@meowington meowsworth I’m an eleven.
@@ElMoShApPiNeSs very funny that bigfatcock also has the most rational opinion. It's true. Who cares, even then the last two were entertaining as fuck and Reloaded had the coolest fight scene ever in the Chateau.
Your new pic slaps bro
"It's the sins of the dance party in Zion"
LOLLL
“Everyone kept jumping off bridges because they were tired of hearing how drafty it was” made me lol
I was walking in public headphones in and let out a laugh and got so many looks
Stavros "I don't take in information very well" Halkias
The hidden figures reference made me laugh so hard I spit tea all over my desk 🤣 😂 😆
The black accent was so good I thought it was snoop dog speaking
Some satisfying GTA footage
normally yeah but i'm still reeling from being wrongfully banned, so the footage is infuriating to me
I'm such an idiot lol, I was sitting here wondering what this game was because it was in first person and I didn't see the usual map and stuff.. i thought it was some indie game where you just calmly drive at night, little did I know it was fuckin gta the whole time 🤦 lol
@@brianbadonde9251 crazy how gta can be anything you want it to be
you know if Stav didn't tell us a billion times he didn't care I wouldn't have known
u jumped at the chance to write a comment about that after he said it like once maybe twice
Nonono, these boys didn’t catch it but a major revelation in in the trilogy was that the machines intentionally let humans live in Zion because they weren’t able to successfully run a persistent matrix.
When Adam corrected Nick with “The Wachowskis”. That’s allyship.
Stav had it right. The Matrix is just reverse Terminator
these guys have the best laughs, delivery and jokes. 10/10 would recommend
The funniest thing here is that he gets the Coen brothers mixed up with he Wachowskis lol
Morpheus reviewed Bluetooth speakers on CZcams before discovering the truth... there is no Bluetooth speaker.
What’s his name on CZcams I wanna watch
@@jdavs9493 xMorpheusBrownleaf69x
I agree with my best friend Nick Mullen
He's actually MY best friend.
@@accuserofthebrethren9240 he actually just called me up and said I was his true best friend and that you guys are actually gay
Gotta agree with Nick. You can’t retcon a story to fit later assumed narratives. The same thing happened with J.K. Rowling and Harry Potter. She retconned the sexuality of several key characters that had no indication of being other than what they already were, to please sjw fans. Just because the bros became sisters, doesn’t mean the matrix is now about trans people. Fake, and gay.
And having paused this a few minutes in to comment, I now hear Nick point this exact situation out with Harry Potter. Very gay.
Google JK Rowling nazi uniform. Pretty cool huh?
Difference is that with Harry Potter she was changing an entire characters story and characteristics. With this, the Wachowskis are just saying that the movie can be read through a trans lens. Looking at the difference between how you perceive yourself inside and in reality, as well as the use of pills to reach your true body, a lot of stuff can be read as a trans allegory. That doesn’t mean Neo and Morpheus are all trans, it just means that the story and the trans experience share some elements.
@@ArielHal9000 I refuse to accept a retconned theory, posited 20 years after the series concluded. Even if the people retconning the series are the creators of the series.
@@robertswitzer990 its not retconning, its a different way to interpret the meaning of the movie. Or whatever its about Neoliberalism
@@robertswitzer990 you're literally deciding to be thick about it because you don't want to change your view? It's not a retcon. There are many good examples that support the trans allegory, including Switch's original intent.
Nick's idea that movies are nothing more than their literal text and can have no allegory is such an idiotic take that i thought it was a bit lol
Hell yeah, that fucking rocks, dude
I love how no matter how stav feels about anything he can be bullied into abandoning said views if put under pressure
Omg this is INCREDIBLE! a video of someone driving around (in GTA) listening to a podcast in general. Genius.
Sorry Nick, Adam is right, it is the allegory of the cave
Hi, I'm not a gay actor but people say I look like Tom Hanks in that movie Philadelphia.
hennrietta, you still workin on that story bout that computer place??
The first Matrix is literally an allegory for dealing with the feds and people who will report you to them. Nick is insightful, but his contrarianism is just too strong when it comes to dealing with the most obvious shit lol
drug addict
Hell yeah dude
Nice
Stav’s go-to.
Catch myself saying it sometimes lol
Nice dude
11:42 "can you stop spitting on my lips while you're talking" SO GOLD
The thumbnail is so great
I am so glad someone has referenced Ralph Bakshi's "Wizards". The ending of that movie is so batshit retarded and comes out of fucking nowhere that I love it.
“Luxury gay space communism” 😂😂😂
It'd be a hell of a coincidence that a story some trans people stole also happened to be about being trans 20 years later through some tenuous connections
Stav looks like one of the cenobites from hellraiser
I feel like nick literally being the secondary villain from the first matrix is like the key that unlocks the rest of his personality
Honestly the subtext in the matrix is literally just the plot. Explain the plot of the movie and you’ve already seen it
11:42 gets me lol
Apparently both director brothers got involved with a dominatrix that led to them transitioning. It's pretty crazy. Her name was Strix.
Rolling Stone nuked that article.
Crazy that after her 8 hours shifts at the CIA office, she still managed to be a dominatrix at night, busy lass
if you watch the animatrix, they explain why the robots want them dead completely and under their domain of rule..... im a nerd.
“I don’t give a fuck, I don’t care” stav, every time he cares enough to argue his underlying political opinions vehemently but wants everyone to think he doesn’t care.
From my understanding, the directors only belatedly said The Matrix was about being trans AFTER they themselves recently transitioned. At the time it was made, it certainly wasn't about being trans and they never claimed that it was. So effectively, it is NOT a movie about being trans. The directors belatedly reframing a movie to suit their own contemporary beliefs or agendas is equally as worthless as any regular viewer doing so.
Clearly someone on this podcast took that to a dear heart
@@ciupenhauer - Sorry, what?
@@LHyoutube was talking about Nick
@@ciupenhauer - Gotcha 👍
I recall learning the original plan for the character of Switch before either Wachowski had transitioned, so I believe there was some element of transgenderism within the original story, but I think it's absolutely insane for them to say the ENTIRE movie/series is about being trans. The making of the movie was very well documented and it's quite clearly/blatantly about man's dependence on and taking for granted of technology and natural resources, respectively.
Also that computers and anime are cool. The Wachowskis love them some PCs and japan cartoons.
stav was confused until nicks cookie analogy
nick's understanding of death of the author as a concept is superior to that of stavros
Stav looks like that cenobite from Hellraiser, I can't unsee it now.
Stav's laugh makes me laugh so hardbc I know he's making that crazy funny face with his funny teeth and stache.
The bearded one makes all the jokes but without the laugh he’s nothing.
Ah this feels like a sunday drive in the matrix
You ran a shitload of red lights bro
Call the police
@@StevenSeagull what game is that?
@@jon4915 GTA 5
Oh hey it's the subtext understanders podcast.
I like how the funniest thing i probably ever heard on the show and stav is somehow not obnoxiously laughing at it. I lost it at the hidden figures matrix impression
Nicks matrix not having any symbolism argument is the gayest hill to die on
That's not what he meant though.
@@Avengerie yea it is. You’re gay.
I like the thought of being so lazy that you kill 2 random people just to eat cookies, then zap back into your own body -WHICH, by the way, still has your old empty stomach so you haven't actually achieved anything.. apart from killing 2 people and having the sensation of eating some cookies.
I see where Nick is coming from, but Matrix is def a very obious Plato's allegory of the cave
Also I'm gay
your killing me with laughter!
As a black guy I want to say that I was both offended and highly amused by the hidden figures/matrix bit. Too good!!! 😂
Ah, yes. I, too, am gay.
“As a black guy” - whitest guy you’ll ever meet
Stav looks horrifying on that thumbnail
8:27 thats probably the nicest nick has been to adam after nearly ruining a joke in advance
They need to live stream a Moonfall video. Would be golden.
This REALLY shows how brilliant stav is
I love how Nick does not understand what subtext is.
I think he does, but he just thinks that adding subtext to the Matrix is bullshit retconning.
@@F6LabsVideo it depends on how much faith you have in the Wachowskis I can believe the choice Neo faces was in some ways exploring a part of themselves they didn’t fully understand.
@@theduckymanvarietyshow4812 I don't think they were thinking about it 22 years ago. Whatever happens in their lives after the release of the film has no bearing on its meaning. They become simply viewers of the film just like everybody else. If they find commonalities between Neo's story and their subsequent trans journey, it's OK. That's their perspective. But it cheapens the movie incredibly to insist that everyone should accept this perspective as their own. Same with Voldemort being gay and David Chase saying Tony Soprano died in the final episode (he obviously did, and it's not very subtle, but people thinking it was a dream or that it means he has to look over his shoulder for the rest of his life are entitled to their opinion without the creator barging in and telling them what to think. If you wanted to do that, you should have written the script to reflect that. Which is what Chase realized when he got so annoyed by fan questioning that he blurted out that Tony died, only to backtrack when he understood his mistake).
@@Avengerie To give credit to the Wachowskis there was a trans caharacter in the original script that the studio forced them to remove so I can see some validity to their claim that it's a trans allegory. It's obviously not just a trans allegory though. I haven't heard of the Wachowskis dismissing other interpretations but if they have been then they're deluded frankly.
@@papapurepropaganda612 Didn't know about the trans character. Still, it's post-apocalyptic cyberpunk setting, so they might have just used it to spice the movie up. The smoking gun would have been if in one of the earlier drafts Neo was trans. even still, we're talking about the final movie with no trans characters, and this final movie is what people were basing their reading on.
As for whether they are dismissing other perspectives, I don't know. But when the creator speaks about the meaning without keeping the necessary distance from the subject matter (because they don't "own" it anymore, it is shared with everyone else who watched it), it's hard not to come out as being dismissive.
Man, Nick is great at impressions
the sealed ass matrix dialogue is gold
The Matrix is extremely literal
I like men
Respect
gta v driving makes for some good background footage, nice video
Let's be real for a second though; The Matrix fucking rules.
best sci-fi movie ever? it's up there
@Queue Kumber None of those brothas can hack
Are you gay?
Good thing they never tried to make any sequels.