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- #282 Helicopter Landing - 200 ft per minute or less, or your FIRED!
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#282 Helicopter Landing - 200 ft per minute or less, or your Fired!
Great video, Kenny! As a dinosaur that learned to fly in the 1970's, I can tell you that my peers surely don't like hanging out in the shaded area of the H-V if we can avoid it. But the new thinking on approaches has us doing just that! So you can understand the resistance to the super-slow, super-low-ROD technique. But as someone with quite a lot of flight time (and an incredible number of landings on offshore oil structures under my belt), I like the new school of thought. Because even at 200 fpm, you can come in as steep or shallow as you like (I prefer steep), and everything stays well under control. Nice and slow...no surprises. And if you're THAT worried about an engine failure, maybe you shouldn't be flying helicopters. There's more of a chance of the pilot screwing up than the engine quitting. Again, great video :)
That's awesome feedback Bob thank you very much for sharing!
The absolute numbers are 25/500; 30/300 gives us a nice fudge factor. 200 fpm is easily enough achieved; it's a good rule.
Sam Samuels thanks for sharing!
My last instructor drilled 200 FPM into me and also wanted me slowed down to 30 at 30 ft. and it made my flares and landings so much better. Great video.
Thank you for sharing Kevin!
Those guidelines were beat into us during my training.
Shadowgiest awesome thanks for sharing!
Excellent piece of advice but so few views.
I like the Chief instructors attitude.
Thank you Simon!
When I learned that helicopters are serviced so often, it reminded me of the auto racing environment. Many more hours maintaining than actual use☺
Exactly!
Got my first self fly hire since getting the licence next week, looking forward to doing these slow approaches! Don't see the point in rushing anything - do it right first time!
Thank you for the feedback!
Great safety video. Thank you sir.
Thank you David!
Never flown HEMS, but I am a proud member of the super slow approach club :-)
As for the general safe rule,...every Robby pilot knows, Safety Notice 22!
Joseph awesome feedback thanks man! Nice to see a positive attitude!
The helicopter owner can set the rules as conservative as they like.
Period.
If someone doesn't like it, they can always opt to not work for the owner or go buy their own.
Rs Rt exactly! 😎
Trained that way myself. I still use it.
Airborne Misfit awesome!
That's a set date with settling with power, of vortex ring state...
Thanks for commenting
Some would consider this safe and common sense. Rule 1 for approach and landing. Thank you.
Thanks for commenting.
What would be the negatives ??
Finding yourself in Vortex Ring State!
Helicopters scare me
Raspysquares why?
Did it jump out from the hangar and say 'Boo' ??? (Hate when that happens) 😉😊
Seriously, being in traffic when people are going/leaving work or school is scarier.
And greater chance of being injured.
200 feet p/m or less. THat the rule, thats policy, thats an order. What is there to argue? Except for that weird time, where vv is increasing, and resisting arrest. Thats when you go around, or autorot to safe emergency landing.
Thanks for the feedback!
Kenny that is good rule but you didn’t talk about wind . Wind can blow your rotor wash ahead of you and you will get in vortex ring state.
Sounds like a downwind landing. Fixed wing can get away with that. Not good for helicopters!
The same thing can happen when you’re spraying with the helicopter.
I always try when I’m spraying to make all my turns into the wind.
On occasion you’ll have to spray a field with the wind and downwind
On the downwind turn if there are wires I make sure I turn over the wires or just before them because what can happen is if you get on the other side of the wires the tailwind can cause you to sink out and get into the wires
Loup City Air Service sure, that’s flying that is not the norm. I have never been out in a situation where I was forced to land downwind. Only time I’ve done it was when I misjudged the wind. With the slow approach you can feel it when the wind is behind you. Makes the tail squirmy, so then go around and land into the wind!
Yes you are correct and even with someone CTD in the back and I feel anything other than normal control and smooth Rotor I go around and double check the wind. I don’t care if it’s even 3 kts of tailwind I always land as much into the wind as I can. We had one pilot that thanks it’s no big deal to have a little tailwind but he’s had to pull a lot of power sometimes to stop it at the bottom. He is also the one that can’t get off the pad some days and makes the crew walk to the hay field
Loup City Air Service yes, the gurus trained me that, once a heli pilot starts landing downwind, he will get it the habit of it. As the pilot gets braver, it bites them in the ass haha
... or your fired!
Thank for commenting
Let's say you're about 100 - 200 ft AGL... is it a bad idea to land from a hover if your decent rate is less than 200ft/min?
OOTurok unsure what you are asking?
@@HelicopterGround
I heard some people say your approach should always terminate into a ground hover, & not be too high, where you have to descend the rest of the way to your spot vertically.
So if you descend less than 200ft/min... why shouldn't you land vertically?
Because you would be spending an extended time in the shaded area on the height velocity diagram.
@@joshuamontour7383
Ok... but would keeping to a descent rate of less than 200ft/min... result in having to make steep approaches, like that in urban eviroments, especially cities with a lot of skyscrapers?