Helicopter Landing - Student Pilot Training Struggle
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No. 3 Reported Member Helicopter Training Struggle, "Landing" Hey, there, this is Kenny with Helicopter Online Ground School. We will call this Episode No. 3 of the flight training hurdles. We're answering the responses to our customers that are writing in and letting us know what their struggles are and their problems with their helicopter flight training and the ground training. So, the question that we posed is this: What is your biggest hurdle you face while you're working towards your helicopter rating? We know for most it's normally the ground knowledge. But, we'd like to know more specifics. Please tell us in detail what you feel is your biggest concern. You can answer with as much information as you like. Brief is okay too. So, the next one coming up is landing. And, at first, I was kind of surprised. But then, when I think about it, I can remember when I first got started, I can remember struggling with landings. I think takeoffs was a little easier to pick up than what landing is. So, I'm going to go through and read to you what the responses are so far. The first one is simply "landing," which that's cool. I said it could be brief. The next one, "Knowing what I am capable of and not capable of doing under certain set of conditions such as wind strength, changing weather and traffic, and making the go, no-go decision, or go around decision." The next one is, "The last 100 feet of autorotations." That's definitely something that comes a lot. The next one is, "Confined area landings are tough because they, by nature, are confining. It can be intimidating to land amongst the trees and wonder if you have the power available to get back out of the hole you've put yourself in." So, that's a good one. We'll come back to that in a minute as well. The next one is, "Weather and landing with no power." And, then, "Landing with no power or engine." And, then, "Pedal, power, push, when I'm landing, it just seems counterintuitive." So, let's just start with the general landing. I can remember back when I got started. You know, I've trained with some good people, and I've had some awesome instructors, and all I've done is taken the things that they've taught me and used them when I was on the aircraft teaching people. And the things that come to mind are, number one, you have to have a good set up. So, this should go back before you even start your landing, is getting a good setup. If you set it up nice, it's going to be nice. If you enter it sloppy, then it's probably going to be sloppy the rest of the way down. So, that's the first tip. The next thing that comes to mind is remember, collective controls your angle, cyclic controls your speed. Learning that coordination between those controls on the approach really is key. When you first get your approach set up, you should have like an imaginary line from the nose of the aircraft down to the spot that you're landing at. And the whole time you're coming in, you're adjusting that collective up and down, just little movements to try to stay on that line as you're approaching your landing spot. Then, the next thing I'm thinking of is your speed. It should always look like you're approaching those numbers at the same speed. As you start out, most likely, you're going to be probably usually at 60. It might be 50. It might be 70 depending on what you're flying. But, we'll use 60 for an example. You want to slow the aircraft down from the very beginning all the way down to the end. It should be a slow progression -- meaning, if you start at 60, by the time you get down to the end, you're going to be at zero. And you want to gradually slow the aircraft down the whole time that you're coming in. Now, some guys teach a faster approach. And, if you're doing those faster approaches, that takes more work when you get down to the end because you're coming in fast, then you've got to put a flare on it, and then level it back out, then you're changing power, and you're changing your pedal settings, and you might be having to mess with the throttle. That's what makes these landings a lot harder. If you use the style of approach where you come in slower and if you do it right and you come in nice and slow, all those changes are going to be very minute, in turn, making a nicer approach. Now, I know some instructors like to argue and say, "Oh, but, you got to keep that speed all the way almost to the end because of the high velocity diagram." No. 3 Reported Member Helicopter Training Struggle, "Landing"
Good tip for your students, pick a small scratch on the windshield that lines up with your landing point, and make sure those two stay superimposed. Makes for a perfect approach everytime
Absolutely!
So much great information in just over ten minutes of video - thank you.
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i’m just a flight simmer but these videos are fantastic. i have no idea how you control helicopters as accurately as you do. i tip my hat!
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I have to say your vids are great ,I wish they were available when I went thru training fot lic. I think watching them while learning would of been a great help. I asked flight school for any flight aides like yours and there were none so detailed and helpful, ,I do hope you get your program into every flight schools program. You can get your practical training and then ground, then watch your vids to help you understand what you learned in field better,plus not be embarrassed of not getting something.
I really like series on training struggles, everyone has there own one or two things they struggle with,i never had problem with autos,quick stops etc, my big thing and still is hover autos. I understand mechanics and everything but for whatever reason it never feels right .
Im all ur vids I never heard you mention , which was pointed out by my checkride examiner, size of pilot. Meaning im a bigger person 210 lbs,6 foot, he said to me almost every bigger person whatever there weak points in flying were,tried to overcompensate by brute strength. Example with my hover autos I would yank cyclic much harder then needed , I wonder if you came across this as a CFI?
goapebilly Thank you and much more to come!
A really good video. Excellent Go Around advise! Airline guys suffer it as bad as anyone, maybe even worse. It's the pro that say "I'm going around", It's the Bold that try and savage an unstable approach. And we all know the Old vs Bold pilot phrase. Go Around, it's good for the soul and good for the ego! I love my 1 hr logged in the egg beater :)
Thanks for sharing Chet!
Great stuff...about 25 hours in and looking for all the tools available,,,thanks for these
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What hell ?
Love your videos, I've done my PPL at Sailease Aviation in South Africa in an Enstrom 280.
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This is great work!
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That s the problem i m having! Thanks! I m struggle on the end to flair and level lose the tail and get a messy... landing .. i came at 50kts to land to keep out of the curve
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Very informative, good job explaining it to us all.... Life Flight pilot...
Glad it was helpful!
That landing at the very end, how precise jesus
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Awesome video!
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I was trained to do powerchecks on dummy run into confined. Todate, never had lack of power to get out of a spot.
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Hey Kenny, I crew our local ems chopper, not enough hrs to pic yet but I've been in the same situation, LZ identified by ground crew, and they call us on the radio to say LZ preped but we have often chosen one more suitable for us
Thank you for sharing Shaun
It was pretty useful for me
Glad to hear that
Thanks for the great explanations, I’m currently saving up to start lessons (unfortunately other side of the planet, Melb AU). Just wondering about the approach to landing .. what altitude and distance from the landing area is best? Trying to work out what sort of approach angle makes things easiest, thanks very much
Your welcome and thank you! Of course there are many things to consider. General rule 15 degrees for steep, 10 for normal, 5 for shallow.
Thanks very much, I didn’t realise a normal landing setup was so far out, I thought it was going be 30 or 40 degrees! Appreciate your reply
You are absolutely right...why come in hot when you have the option for slow and easy...hell..
We are not flying combat missions!
Nice and easy...thats the way to do it!
Couldn't agree more
Do you not have any more EC135 flight videos you can share??? I would LOVE to see them!
Yes we do, so more to come....
I don't have a helicopter but if I did I would love to have you as my instructer. I can tell you know what you are talking about and you have a way of explaining it very clearly which meens a lota new pilot. My son is thinking about buying a hilicycle helocopter, It looks pretty safe. What is your opinion on the hilicycle? I enjoyed listening to you. Very good job, thanks and God Bless You
Thank you James. A few days ago did a video on experimental helicopters. There are many things to consider. Here are my thoughts: czcams.com/video/LMDL0nWPHA4/video.html
@JamesMcQueen, you mean Helicycle not hilicycle. Yeah, the Helicycle is very good helicopter to buy if on a buget. There are three cool helicopters you can consider, the Mosquito XET (Turbine), the Safari Helicopter & the Helicycle helicopter. Let your son know this. Lookup these three helicopters so he can decide.
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Thanks for the reply and God Bless You Wayne
@@jamesmcqueen2618 Your'e welcome. Let me know what your son has chosen to buy. He must decide with his heart.. hope you have an awesome day.
On confined area landing can you hover above the confined area and slowly decend down wards with collective to spot.
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Been flying with a new instructor this Summer, avoiding the autos as I like split needle and he insists on engine idle. Not concerned as I have many under my belt.
Thanks for sharing
I have a challenge on swinging under the helicopter when I am doing squares or left/right during strong winds.. Any suggestions? Thank you for the videos!
Smooth control inputs is the key. The more you practice, the better you will get! Relax, breathe in and out!
Biggest challenge. Money.
That is the biggest challenge for most!
Money indeed. Especially, if people like Jerry Ariola of the old Silver State Helicopter school don't run away with your 59k in tuition money. I really miss it. Stay safe guys!!!
Yeah that's my biggest challenge.
Ben A1 I was around at that time. A lot of students got cheated. Some schools in SoCal gave those students a dirt cheap rate to help them and deserve recognition for their humanity. I can't call names but they are located in Camarillo and Van Nuys and have great reputations!
Biggest challenge after money issue solved...
Staying Alive
Great Videos Very interesting Just wondering whats a confined area landNing 😊
Landing in smaller areas with obstacles! Thank you!
@@HelicopterGround sorry its just a typo 8.18 😊
Well... I'm about 22 hrs in now & I've got hovering about 85 or 90% mastered. I'm a little squirrelly in moderate winds, but I can eventually get the ship stable, once I painstakingly find my new neutrals. 🙄
My takeoffs from hover are ok... I give myself a C... needs a good deal of improvement... 😐
BUT my transition from flight to hover is sloppy as Hell. Even when I get my approach set up nice... I get real sloppy in the last 100-200 ft. & I turn into a pendulum after stopping over my spot, with a tendency to drift with the wind. I tend to miss my spot in the last 50 ft. of my approach too. 😑
Landing a fixed wing is easy as cake by comparison. 😧
Keep after it! Still early in your journey! It will get easier with more time in the seat!
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Roger that... sticking with it until it's a piece of pie. 👍😃
Absolutely!
4:50 “to macho”?… too macho 😊
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Sir can u plz elaborate slow approach
Reducing speed at a greater height??
You are gradually reducing speed the entire approach.
Dead Man's Curve only for take offs? Why?
When You have engine failure during take off you still must land right?
It doesn't make sense to me.
Constant speed and flare right before landing make flight more safe and it's under H-V diagram.
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@@HelicopterGround What ? Why You don't respond ?
My problem during final is flaring too much & flying backward - also the rate of descent - should this be done by head speed or collective? 🌈🌈 thank you 👍🏻🚁
Collective controls the angle, cyclic controls the speed!
@@HelicopterGround I realise this but as I said, should landing be controlled by the collective pitch or the actual rotor speed? :)
Rotor speed is constant!
Helicopter Online Ground School Brilliant, that’s what I needed to know - thanks! 😀 Any tips on not flying backwards when I flare?
i did not school aeronotics im a criminology student and i want to learn how to fly helicopter
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4:45 *too ;)
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Where is your school based out of?
Michael Samuel Plymouth Indiana Michael!
I'm interested but currently overseas.
I tell my students :"If you have to flare at the end, you were too fast."
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Macho is a Swahili word meaning eye
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How much the ground course , is legit
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