Arcadia - So Red The Rose (CLASSIC ALBUM REVIEW)
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So many requests poured in asking for me to REDISCOVER ARCADIA'S first and only album SO RED THE ROSE so here it is!! SRTR is absolutely one of my favorite "Duran Duran" albums. An album ahead of it's time and there has been no album like this since.
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Track listing
1985 original release
All Songs Written By Le Bon/Rhodes/Taylor, except where noted.
"Election Day" - 5:29
"Keep Me in the Dark" - 4:31
"Goodbye Is Forever" - 3:49
"The Flame" - 4:23
"Missing" - 3:40 (LeBon, Rhodes)
"Rose Arcana" - 0:51 (LeBon, Rhodes)
"The Promise" - 7:30
"El Diablo" - 6:05
"Lady Ice" - 7:32 (LeBon, Rhodes)
2010 reissue
CD1
"Election Day" - 5:29
"Keep Me in the Dark" - 4:31
"Goodbye Is Forever" - 3:49
"The Flame" - 4:23
"Missing" - 3:40 (LeBon, Rhodes)
"Rose Arcana" - 0:51 (LeBon, Rhodes)
"The Promise" - 7:30
"El Diablo" - 6:05
"Lady Ice" - 7:32 (LeBon, Rhodes)
"Say The Word (7" edit)" - 4:30 (LeBon, Rhodes)
"Election Day (Single Version)" - 4:31
"Goodbye Is Forever (Single Mix)" - 4:17
"The Promise (7" Mix)" - 4:46
"The Flame (7" Remix)" - 4:06
"Say The Word" - 5:08
"She's Moody And Grey She's Mean And Restless" - 4:29
CD2
"Election Day (Consensus mix)" - 8:39
"Goodbye Is Forever (12" Extended Mix)" - 6:45
"The Promise (Instrumental)" - 5:44
"Rose Arcana" - 5:33
"The Flame (Extended Remix)" - 7:17
"Say The Word (Extended Vocal Remix)" - 6:33
"Election Day (Cryptic Cut)" - 9:09
"The Promise (12" Mix)" - 7:06
"Goodbye Is Forever (Dub Mix)" - 5:15
"Say The Word (Extended Instrumental Remix)" - 5:48
"Election Day (Early Rough Mix)" - 9:04
"Flame Game (Yo Homeboy Mix)" - 2:51
"Election Day (Cryptic Cut No Voice Mix)" - 8:28
Singles
"Election Day" (October 1985)
"Goodbye Is Forever" (January 1986)
"The Promise" (January 1986)
"The Flame" (July 1986)
Personnel
Arcadia
Simon Le Bon - vocals
Nick Rhodes - keyboards
Roger Taylor - drums
Additional musicians
Mark Egan - bass
Masami Tsuchiya - guitar
Carlos Alomar, David Gilmour - additional guitar
Sting on "The Promise", Grace Jones on "Election Day" - additional vocals
Herbie Hancock - additional keyboards on "The Promise"
Andy Mackay - saxophone
Steve Jordan - additional drums on "Lady Ice"
David Van Tieghem, Manu Katché, Rafael De Jesus - additional percussion
Wendel Jr. (Percussion Replacement System) - drum programming
Jean-Claude Dubois - harp
Masami Tsuchiya, Pierre Defay - violin
Production
Produced By Alex Sadkin & Arcadia
Recorded By Larry Alexander; assisted by Phillippe Lafont
Engineered By Larry Alexander
Mixed By Larry Alexander, Phil Burnett, Nick Delre, Billy Miranda & Ron Saint-Germain
Mastered By Bob Ludwig
Album cover illustration by Tony Viramontes[1]
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I love your little movie references!
Thank you. I collect rare and hard to find DD cd dvd vinyl and collectibles. Liberty is my fav. Watch the movie. Marissa Romeo is in it. I always wondered who played bass on Say the Word. Egan? Love your reviews. Thank you. You rank the albums well. I play bass and learned all the parts to Falling Angel. Do you like the song Beautiful Colours? I have the fan club cd Astronaut which features that song on it.
I can't stop listening to this album... I wish "Lady Ice" never ended.
Oh I love that song. Every song on this album of course, but that song haunts me.
This album is a masterpiece, the concept of the album is quite unique and I didn’t find anything that sounds like ARCADIA til now!
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Maybe Roxy Music's "Avalon", The Dolphin Brothers' "Catch The Fall" and Masami Tsuchiya's "Life In Mirrors"
Although I agree that the concept of the album is quite unique, if you have a chance to watch the Arena film, do. The concept is that Dr. Durand from Barbarella comes to Earth when he hears Duranees calling his name, and then is disappointed that they are just kids at a concert, so he starts kidnapping them... the video for Wild Boys barely scratches the surface of how bizarre this concert movie is.
We've loved SRTR back then and we still love it now.
"So red the rose" is a true classic and a piece of art!
P.S.
I love each song, but "Missing" is quite enchanting.
Missing gives me goosebumps.❤️❤️❤️ iT !
I always play 'Say The Word' over the instrumental as it would be another 8 track album and I don't go below 8!
Thanks Red Rug..EVERYTHING about this album is perfect…the quality of the song writing, music, mood, production, artwork. Even after these years it sounds way ahead of its time.
I love "So Red the Rose" so much! My favorite songs from the album are "Keep me in the dark", "The Promise", and "Missing". But the entire album is gorgeous! My online name used to always have flame in it because of "The Flame" as you can see. 😅 "Vengo de la tierra del fuego, ten cuidado cuando llames mi nombre." I love the music video to this song too...so funny! Wow, didn't know David Gilmore plays on this album. Got the album when it first came out on vinyl and CD recently. Need to check on the length and difference of Rose Arcana.
This is the most underrated album in the world. Its perfect.
Fantastic album, one of my favorite records of all time in any format.
Love this album.
I adore this album.
Duran Duran 81, Rio, Seven and the Ragged Tiger and So Red The Rose are four of the five albums I reach for over and over again. The other album in my top five of all time is Quiet Life by Japan.
This is the last 'Duran Duran' album released that I listen to in its entirety on repeat. Every album after this has had at least one or two 'skip' tracks for me. There isn't a bad track on the album, but my stand out track is The Flame.
🎵Vengo de la Tierra del Fuego. Ten cuidado quando llamo su nombre.🎵
Quiet Life is also a great album!
@@silvermarlin3774
You're right!
The title track, Halloween and The Other Side of Life are some of the best pop songs ever written (in my pretty unimportant opinion 😂).
So glad you love it too.
It was a huge influence on Duran Duran also.
@@andreahomer9434 Especially the feel of the bass grooves.
Quiet Life is one of my all time favourite albums too, and still listen to Japan albums, even Adolescent Sex is still great in all it's cheesy, funk & punk.
@@silvermarlin3774
I do think JT is channelling his inner Mick Karn on a number of tracks on Future Past. Especially the title track.
Mick Karn was amazing.
Outstanding album. I've owned it in every format except cassette. I enjoy the expanded version most of all.
This album is insanely crazy, with exceptional collaborations such as David Gilmour and Sting, seriously, even if I love Notorious, many tracks here are better than some on Notorious. But obviously IMHO and with all due respect 👌
Acadia non album track Say the Word is featured in the 1986 movie Playing For Keeps. Its played in its entirety and slightly different than the commercial release.
TY for your review-who knew about the secret code?! I didn't. 😲
Absolutely love this album so much I recently got it again on CD (still have original on vinyl). IMO Si & Nick (& Roger) did a great thing breaking away to explore their own creativity-this album has such a glorious dark, mysterious vibe that I don't think has been replicated by any other band or in other music by Duran. 👻
This album is amazing awesome brilliant 👌 got got different versions of it just like I do with Duran Duran
At last Brian!! Been waiting for your Arcadia review.
On par with Rio for me at the peak of Duran Durans powers.
There isn’t a bad thing to say about it or any of the songs don’t drop below a high level.
Simply Amazing.
Listen to it the most of all their work and would recommend the Deluxe Version for the fantastic ‘Say the Word’ which is from the movie Playing for Keeps 1986.
I think a second album by Arcadia will ruined so red the rose I don't want another Arcadia album so red the rose it's a masterpiece it can't be created. again.
Probably the ONLY CD which has consistently been in my car (s) since the 90s. An absolute surreal, visceral, aesthetic and musical once in a life time masterpiece
VERY BEST ALBUM ALL TIME EVER!!!
MASTERPIECE!!!👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
My exact thoughts.
So so happy to see this amazing album getting more of the love it deserves!!
I played my So Red The Rose album to death! I swear I listened to it every day for three years in Jr. High and High School and still, to this day, I never tire of it. I love it above all the Duran Duran albums from the first album to Future Past. Missing is my favorite in that its haunting message is one of the best songs I’ve ever heard to express loss.
The Flame music video is awesome. I've always wondered if the screaming Duran Duran teen fans from the Arena tour liked this album. SRTR is my favorite album next to Liberty. Say the Word from Playing for Keeps is a nice transition going into Notorious.
Keep me in the Dark is the one. That opening synth! That Carlos Alomar guitar line..
Great playing by Masami Tsuchiya on Election Day & The Flame. Masami plays the solo on The Flame. Tsuchiya & Alomar are all over Election Day. You witness this on the 12" versions more so. In fact Nile Rodgers adds a guitar on the 12" of The Flame. Not sure how necessary that was to be honest, just makes it a bit more fluid & funky.
You've echoed what I have said many times Brian: "It was ahead of its time." A brilliant, brilliant album. Still one of my fave albums. I would love to hear this in 5.1 surround. The thing people forget is, Duran would never have written this album, as they would not have invited all these players to write with. Would be interesting to hear what a Duran version of this album would sound. The entirety of Side-2 is sheer perfection.
My favorite album of the 80s
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Oh, I am so sorry you've been hospitalised. I sincerely hope you are on the road to recovery now. I am so glad that music helped you at such a challenging and worrying time.
Take care and best wishes to you.
So sharp the thorn.
my fav on this album used to be Election Day, but now I enjoy more The Flame and Goodbye Is Forever
I reacquainted myself with this album around 2007 and couldn’t stop listening to it. As a musician from Minneapolis who had dipped my toes with diy recording I was simply astounded with this albums opulence. A quick liner note check and saw the name Alex Sadkin.
I was obsessed..enamored. I couldn’t think of an equivalent and the record was already nearly 25 years old.
I had moved to the icy shores of Duluth, MN and when I started demoing new song ideas I saved them in a file folder I endearingly called Sadkin.
Those song ideas, many of them became part of my first solo album.
Because I was chasing a certain excellence which Sadkin brought as a producer, I dared myself to take on the nom de plume. I now write, record, perform and release music under the name - Sadkin. I don’t think it sounds like So Red the Rose per se but I try to conjure a certain detail and ornamentation that I associate with Alex.
Love this album ❤
My favourite piece of music of all time. So much flavour.
This album has so many incredible musicians. It was a big exercise on self indulgence probably allowed by the record company after they sold so many copies of DD records. I mean the cost of production must have been astronomical.
This is one of my favorite albums from DD. The album sets a mood for a journey as you listen throughout the entire list.
This is my top 5 albums of my life
A few of the people on this album were live Duran Duran members. Rafael DeJesus was their live sax and percussion player.
A Flawless, beautiful, haunting ,sexy record.
Did you ever hear the track by Arcadia called
"Say the word" ?
It was on a soundtrack from a movie called "Playing for keeps".
Very Duran Duran.
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I was just digging through my old albums and rediscovered this one. It is a good album and one I enjoyed back in the 80's - Listening to it now
Great album. The back figure of the album is interesting. It looks like a birth chart with the 12 zodiac signs. It would be nice to be able to understand what the red and blue parts of that graph refer to.
Best track: the Flame. It has something of special, but i like all songs. Maybe Missing.....i don't
Interesting u say that. I always believed Missing was about Yasmin being pregnant (her first which she sadly lost) which I can't even remember if the time aligns.
@@rifk1741 AH, i didn't know about this
I love this album!❤
I think most DD fans accept SRTR as a legitimate DD album, but , 'just off to the side'. It sounded sort of DD and it just pushed ahead with a different theme to the other albums before.
After this album DD sort of went off into exploration mode, and did so many other types of music genres and experimentation , it's been awesome to be a part of that as a fan, over the years.
with the last three albums I think DD has found their sweet spot and their defining sound.
with the track Laughing Boy being especially touching and harking back to almost everything they have ever done.
We are so lucky to have had this band for over 40 years, not many from the 80s have made it this far, and to have a band which absolutely defined an era, be still producing amazing music now.....wow! 🙂
never liked duran duran, until power station , and then came arcadia ... loved roxy music ... this was my generations Roxy Music .. highly produced album ... great studio musicians on this album
For me The Flame is a song a little similar to A View to a Kill .Grace Jones is not who speaks in the intro in Spanish.
You’re right
The next Arcadia album should be "So Green The Grass" 😉
This album is a guilty pleasure, discovered it by coincidence when watching a Duran Duran doc.
I always thought a great follow-up to an Arcadia album title would be "Waves on the Ocean" just because it fits an atmospheric darkness, that I absolutely enjoy whether it's Duran Duran or Arcadia specifically
So Red the Rose follow-up album... So Blue the Violet
Nice
Amazing album
one of my fav album of all time
There's a video on CZcams of someone playing a bass cover of "The Promise"... the mix on this album is impeccable, but you lose how incredible Mark Egan's fretless bass sounds, especially the harmonic solo at the end. Amazing.
A Christmas Story of course.
Watched it in the theatre last month.
❤️🌲❤️🌲❤️
*Great review for a great album!* _And very thought-provoking too..._
BUT I decoded the code back in the 80s and there is no Z in the Arcadian code.
14 denotes "O" only in "Lebon" whereas 44 denotes "O" in other names & words.
(Sorry but that has bothered for me years when I see incorrect decodings LOL!).
Not that it matters... The single for "Goodbye is Forever" decodes bizarrely as
"Electon Dya". Yeah. The album design team of Assorted Images created the
code to give Arcadia a mystique then got kind of lazy with it!
So Red the Rose part II: So Rose🌹 the Red
In Goodbye is forever they really tied Nick to that pendulum no CGI
I 💜this Album so much!
a perfect album
Maybe Duran’s best album cover. Judging by their hair color, this must have been the boys “Goth” period. Grace Jones always made sense to me as she was in ‘View To A Kill’. And speaking of Charlie Watts (@7:18 this guy always reminds me of Charlie), Steve Jordan is the guy who replaced Charlie as the Stones tour drummer.
You are right, it was Carlos Alomar.
“Wicked The Thorn.”
And there's a song called Some like it hot that could have been a Duran Duran song because it got that Duran Duran sound
I have the vinyl and it doesn't list the guest artists by track - just one long list
Dang!! Good to know
@@RedMugMusic I was hoping I could attach a picture here - I'll email it to you. On the inside sleeve theres an illustration of the 3 members with more code that come out to: ROGERNICKSIMON
This album can compare with darkside of the moon ….but so red the roses get more melodic and catchy vibe
Anybody knows in wich songs played David Gilmour?
Missing and The Promise
@@RedMugMusic thank you!!!
Arcadia 2: Tiptoe Through the Tulips? :-)
Current DD had actually done the references in a FP album - especially on Future past, Nothing less and Falling. They ARE like Arcadia now - even with John )
So Red The Rose / So Sharp the Thorn.
Missing is my favorite
My Musician Best Friend, (20 plus years younger than me) was aware of Duran, but never really gave them a second listen until I played "So Red The Rose" for him. Now he's a Duranie.
Yes, work on your pronunciations. LOL
to me the album marks climax and catharsis of the so-called new romantic era
Loved your review....but you don't own the album and you're reviewing it?
In Election Day I think the Simon's voice sounds some similar to the Mick Jagger's.
Orange Tangerine
I would call it Cyan blue.
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tangerine dream cövers next pleaze ^?^
ps what about käunt anderssön lps ?xD abba? ^?^
I never understood why Le Bon and Rhodes didn’t worked this album under band name Duran Duran.
Ralphie!
And I believe Duran Duran got some unreleased songs from the 84 85 era
I'm starring at the code for 35years with no clue
*RANDY JUDAH TORREZ ❤️
Thanks for the revew. Arcadia is non comercial masterpiece, that reach n4 in us with Election Day, even being so dark a gothic, changing even the artístic image of the guys, something that only bowie or madonna were experts in. Someone told me once, every time you hear So Red the Rose, yo discover a new sound, and think it s true. I was a little disappointed when notorious came out after, because the New Wave was dead officially after Arcadia.
Arcadia was the last good Duran Duran ( and friends ) album. DD were not that good between 1985-2005. I know why too.
Snow white is the color of her skin????
Your review is good, but do you understand what "Measures" are?? Depending on the time signature, a measure can happen in 4 beats, (for example). 4 measures are almost nothing in time.
Love this album, it is very influenced by Japan and David Sylvian.
Arcadia 2 wether the storm
So arcadia is originally Duran Duran
John was highly involved with Arcadia. Just not credited.
i agree 'the promise' is the best song on the album, but you didn't mention the killer fretless bass part mark egan played on it! i've played bass guitar since the mid eighties (because of duran duran) and that fretless part made me want a fretless instrument. to this day it is a fun exercise to play... (edit to add:) this album and seven and the ragged tiger are their peak and every time they release a new album i HOPE it will have some of the mood, the spooky etherial charm of these two... alas, they keep trying to make a contemporary pop record over and over. i 'like' their recent output, but don't love much of it. i detest their penchant for working with whatever pop star is popular this second, their producers are often not musicians anymore, (dj's, ugh) 'red carpet massacre' was just awful... i still support them and see them every tour, but i really wish they'd do another dark masterpiece like 'so red the rose'...
Coming of age to the music of Simon LeBon and Nick Rhodes is the reason I would continually fall in love with gay men. 🌹❤
"4th" Duran Duran album, sound great... this was the path they would have had to take if they not split up
I'll never get over this inane: "best album DD never made". Of course they made it, they even had John Taylor drop in on one of the songs (and a video) and it has Simon's great vocal histrionics and Nick's synths and massive arty overtones and Roger's superb drumming-this ALL makes a DD album. People are stupid, all because of the title. Obviously this IS a Duran album. Hello, how are ANY of the albums Duran made from 1986 onwards Duran albums as Andy is NOT on them any more. And when he did briefly return, "Astronaut" became their weakest, flattest, low-spirited album since their almost artlessly inane "Seven Ragged Tiger", so don't see why we keep lamenting his inevitable perma-departure. There's still guitar and bass on this album (and if you didn't know JT & AT weren't on) there'd be no difference! I call this "Arcadia: So Red The Rose" BY Duran Duran cos that's what it is!
And after they almost threw their career up with that musically/artistically suspect 3rd album, this album was so necessary as they could ONLY go up. Duran Duran is on the cover in 'Invisible' ink, and it's a massive upturn from the tragically unlovable "Seven Ragged Tiger" whose best song wasn't even PUT on the album, just stuck to the back their worst ever single choice! Criminal so I add it to the album, as it'd be the only album I couldn't have a 1st fav on it's so damned weak. I don't get this "So Red Rose" 2. I reckon "Pop Trash" was the follow-up to "So Red The Rose" and one could argue side 2 in its' entirety (and possibly including 'I Believe: All I Need To Know' & 'Grey Lady Of The Sea') would also form "Arcadia" Part 2 but this is still nonsense, as "Arcadia: So Red The Rose" is simply Duran's 4th album without their name on it, but we don't need it when we have the cover, the sound and the voice & writing! THIS is the beginning of their proof as the most experimental group ever.
however you feel, you won't redefine history. to me this is the best album Japan never made
@@escaton74 Japan wish. They don't make music like this, I can't even own half their singles, never mind take albums by them. I don't give an eff about history, things are often named wrong. Take the last Fleetwood Mac album, cos stroppy Stevie wouldn't return for it, remaining parties called it their names even though it's a Fleetwood Mac album-the one beforehand had no Christine, yet that carried the name .Si, Rog & Nick may have wanted a side project, but unlike the stiff and tiresome Power Station effort, it couldn't NOT end up sounding like a Duran album, especially with Si and Nick so to the fore. And anything that puts a lid on that rather listless 3rd album "Seven Ragged Tiger" thing is fine with me, not least when there was virtually a 2 year gap to do so, so no way am I extending it to 3 waiting for the ace "Notorious" record!
Awful album, and literally unlistenable: awfully produced, arranged and mixed, it sounds lifeless, and quickly becomes boring. It sounds like Seven And The Ragged Tiger"s big brother, and shares many of the same mistakes, plus it lacks guitars in the writing process, and the lack of both Andy and John shows indeed. They thought they'd proved the world they were proper musicians by making "arty" adult pop, when "adult pop" generally rhymes with "stiff" and "boring". Songs are often strong writing wise, but the final result is a lifeless, overproduced, sterile, self indulgent mess. Good review by the way, even if I do not share your enthusiasm.