This was an absolutely awful storyline from start to finish. Liz and Jim have said and done spiteful things to each other over the years but this truly takes the cake and sinks Jim to a level that's irredeemable. Whatever respect and goodwill audiences had for him has now vanished. The writers of "Corrie" have ruined his character. Congrats on taking a once decent stand up husband, father and friend and turning him into a horrendous excuse for a human being.
@@shanefolan When we were first introduced to Jim (and the rest of the family), he was decent enough. Hard working, reliable and a good man (not perfect by any means). However over time, the writers on "Corrie" exploited every fault and flaw in the character so that he has now become a wretched waste of space who is toxic to everything and everyone around him.
@@woohooboy that's the soap logic though- look at Sam Mitchell in Eastenders,Kym Tate in Emmerdale [I only watched her initial comeback episodes and not the rest of her comeback where she settled in], Grant Mitchell in Eastenders, Michelle Fowler in Eastenders, Tracey Barlow in Corrie..... all have had comebacks with much criticised or noticed character transformations.
@@shanefolan - Soap opera writers seem to operate under the impression that characters who come back should be more and more flawed as it creates drama. Whilst I understand that to a degree, in doing so it further removes who these people once were to the point where they no longer resemble the person that audiences identify with. Case in point Jim McDonald. The loyal hard working law abiding husband, father and friend has been replaced with a lying, manipulative criminal con artist whose prone to violent physical outbursts.
@@woohooboy Eh Jim had always being violent, even in the 90s he'd attacked several residents and beat up Liz before. He also was arrested before for harassing her and trying to break into her house. He also killed Jez. A better eg of a character who did a uturn was Todd Grimshaw. Sam Mitchell in Eastenders too was changed from warm and nice but in her comebacks was hard faced and bitchy and just generally out of character.
Some poetic justice about Liz being physically in charge here over Jim. He was no longer the violent powerful man who could dominate her. He was a feeble older man that was quite literally a push over at her mercy.
Um, he hit her once. I’m not defending that, but acting like he was a dominant powerful man over her, is false. She was feisty as he was angry. He hit her once. She’s also hit him numerous times. So based on that, bad as each other. And actually, she’s hit him more than he hit her. So 🤷♂️
Are you saying that attacking a disabled man is okay? Violence no matter what is wrong. Her attacking Jim here just makes her a hypocrite. Calling him out for his violence, while threatening him with violence after pushing him over. This is why he wanted revenge. Their treatment of each other is toxic. Both as bad as each other.
I actually think it's his family's fault for the way Jim is and they should try and help him instead of abandoning him. His first lengthy stint in prison, which was caused by Steve getting involved with criminals, must have damaged him so much that he ended up with some sort of mental illness that he then resorted to robbing a bank, which would have been way out character for him before. This is the impression I always got from it. He therefore should have gotten the necessary help from his family, not being abandoned by them who are no saints themselves and in turn, causing him to go worse. This recent story, and the antics with Peter in prison could have been avoided if they were there for him to begin with, as in the state of mind he had developed, he thought he was doing something for his family. I just think it's sad how they've been writing the McDonald family in recent years, especially when you look at their heyday in the 90's.
Absolutely. What they did with Jim’s character was completely bizarre to me, he was one of the most popular characters and they turned him into a psychopath out of nowhere, he went down in 2011 for robbing a bank which although was a daft thing to do he was just trying to get the money together so that him and Liz could buy the rovers, fast forward to 2014 they’ve all abandoned him, refuse to see him in prison etc, why? Then he comes back in 2018 with this pathetic storyline. Jim was never a psychopath or anything of the sort like they tried to portray him in the later years. Terrible writing.
@@dogsbollocksgenius9480 That armed robbery storyline was still ridiculously out of character. No way Jim in the 90s would ever do that. It's funny they won't talk to Jim after that, despite all of Steve's crimes in the 90s and they'll happily welcome Tracy into the family, despite that she murdered someone and even lied to Steve that Becky pushed her downstairs and caused her to lose their twins, when in fact she miscarried.
@@jaredporikos2197 I still think it's bad writing and makes no sense rest that they won't talk to Jim because of the armed robbery, despite that Steve committed various crimes in the past and also got involved with gangsters at one time and put the danger, not to mention they'll happily welcome Tracy into the family instead, despite that she murdered someone in cold blood and also lied to Steve that Becky pushed her down the stairs causing her to lose their twins, but somehow she's not getting the same treatment. Oh yes, and Steve and Becky were also planning on committing child abduction at the time of the armed robbery story too. They seriously need to look at how hypocritical it is not to talk to Jim anymore after the armed robbery. Anyway, that armed storyline was ridiculously out of character as it is, I'm trying to make sense of it because that was bad writing too.
since when is age an indication of acting ability??? Some of the best actors in the world like Meryl Streep,Helen Mirren, Daniel Day Lewis are older/same age as Liz. Even actresses like Dot Cotton from Eastenders in their 90s stand out as some of the strongest actors on British tv. Age means bugger all in acting ability, it is not a physically demanding sport you are talking about where you have to be in your late teens-late 30s to do well, it is acting.
It’s bizarre, they turned him from a likeable normal guy to a psychopath, just because someone has a bit of a temper and is a bit of a hard man, doesn’t mean you have to turn their character into a scheming psycho, the writers got it terribly wrong
They shouldn't have made Jim like this he was all about his family he even turned into a murderer to protect Steve and went to prison for him he would never treat his family like that if he wanted revenge against Liz and Steve he would have just probably beat Steve up in a fit of rage not the horrible things he did in his last stint on coronation Street
I expect there's another showdown like this on the way between Audrey and Stephen. Another long time close relationship in the show that will be damaged forever.
You sat in that prison, wallowing in self pity, trying to come up with the cruelest revenge. Where does that kind of hatred come from? Look at your question. Answer is in there. It's come from years of sending letters and cards back unopened, ignored phone calls after you promised him you'd be waiting for him when he got out. So, being betrayed, makes you hurt.
Yep, all he did was rob a bank trying to get them the pub ffs, he did it for liz. Why on earth would they turn their back on him for that, writing in this show is terrible, they ruined his character for no reason
Solve a problem with his fists? He hit a man that was coming onto his wife. He hit a man that had him, you and his son hostage with a gun. He beat up a dangerous gangster who nearly killed his son. He hit your ex husband who attacked him from behind. He also only wanted get money from a bank. He had no intention of holding them hostage until an accident caused a fight he didn't start. Yet, you attack him unprovoked while he's on a crutch. Who's the hypocrite?
@@Black.Sabbath I’m not even gonna speak to you if you’re just gonna start hurtling abuse out of no where. Wtf. You bored or something, think you’re tough cos you’re typing online? Grow up. And in answer to your question, the video you’re commenting on 🤷♂️
What a unbelievable storyline do they think their viewers are STUPID I am sure Jim could have come back with a more believable storyline than that, I am surprised he recognised Lizabeth she looks nothing she should do with the cosmetic procedures she has had done. Terrible acting by all.
I’m genuinely surprised Charlie Lawson didn’t tell them to get fked when they gave him the script for this, truly ruined one of the shows iconic and most popular characters.
Jim has done some disgusting, revolting and horrendous stuff in his time. Like the bank robbery and it got vicious! Or when he *killed* Jez Squigley(?) 4 Steve! But this.... beats the lot by *farrrrrrrrr* this must be even worse when David sent cards by a deceased murdering coward who wrecked lives on the street 😡😡😡
He did things in the wrong cos he felt low. You ever been in prison for that long time Liz, cut off from your family? You wouldn't feel hurt or bitter?
@EastEndery I've just said I'm NOT interested in what you obvious troll has to say? Jog on & leave you're comments somewhere else... you can have the last word if your that desperate...... have a good life! Or not.
You alway get one & Eastendery nobody proves that point in this instance & it will have to come back because it cant help itself & makes comments about me ffs LOL
What he did was vile but Liz is such a hypocrite. Cos you've never done wrong or assaulted Jim have you? (Pushed an elderly vulnerable man on a crutch over). So it's okay for you to assault him but he can't do it without you never forgiving him? When you abandoned him for no reason, you asked for forgiveness and he gave it you back in seconds. Just as bad as him so don't act like you're innocent Liz.
What pisses me off, Liz has never let Jim forget that he hit her years ago. Fair enough bang out of order. But then she has the frigging cheek to stand over him and threaten him with violence with his own crutch. Violence goes both ways yanno. If he isn't allowed to hit you why is it okay for you to do it to him? Also you still shoved an ill man to the ground. That's still assault. When Jim hit you it was because while he was in the army you slept with his best mate. No reason to hit you but you did a cruel thing to him. He does a cruel thing to you but suddenly youre allowed to hit him?? Hannah is right about how horrible Liz and Steve are to Jim. I'd say they've been worse to him than he has to them.
Says the one who's got such a sad life he's cyber bullying someone on comments on CZcams over a fictional TV show. If you think assault only means hitting shows how ignorant and narrow minded you are. Assault even comes under grabbing someone you idiot. Now go grow up somewhere else.
Just the whole delivery of the lines and the performance here, seems forced and unnatural, it is like you are aware he is acting. Hard to actually explain exactly how-some actors and performances just come across as really bad on screen. Other examples would be Vicky Fowler in eastenders from the early noughties-very unnatural or the actress who played Danny dyer's daughter,Nancy carter, always seemed very forced and unnatural. Don't get me wrong, he was decent back in his day but as far as I'm aware he has being doing very little acting work in the past decade so you can see how his skills would diminish. Charles Lawson was quite 1 dimensional though-his only time he was interesting and acted well was when he was angry. It shows here that he didn't have great range in his acting ability as he couldn't deliver this scene. Actors to appear natural should be believable and it just comes out as natural onscreen and you forget they are acting- I think the actress who plays Sharon's son Dennis in Eastenders comes across as very believable or the actress who plays Tiffany Butcher works well on screen. Shane Richie is another very bad one imho. It is a craft, some people carry it off well and others don't.
@@shanefolan Jake Wood is the best actor on any of the soaps, brilliant actor and too good to be on that show. He can do everything, anger, crying, charming, great actor. Phil Mitchell is obviously very one dimensional but he’s an underrated actor himself
*"It revolts me to be loved by a creature like you."*
This is probably the best acting I've seen from Beverley Callard in a while. Hopefully Feisty Liz is BACK!
She's suppose to get revenge on Jim.
This is the best acting I have seen from her, full stop.
One of my favourite soap scenes in years.
@JIMMY CROWLEY meh i'd take the 'for good' with a pinch of salt.
Great acting from Beverley, deserves best actress at the soap awards. I have never seen her act so well.
Liz is great! This is like the classic style from the Golden Corrie days. :)
This was an absolutely awful storyline from start to finish. Liz and Jim have said and done spiteful things to each other over the years but this truly takes the cake and sinks Jim to a level that's irredeemable.
Whatever respect and goodwill audiences had for him has now vanished. The writers of "Corrie" have ruined his character. Congrats on taking a once decent stand up husband, father and friend and turning him into a horrendous excuse for a human being.
He was hardly decent, he was a bully and controlling to both his wife and kids.
@@shanefolan When we were first introduced to Jim (and the rest of the family), he was decent enough. Hard working, reliable and a good man (not perfect by any means).
However over time, the writers on "Corrie" exploited every fault and flaw in the character so that he has now become a wretched waste of space who is toxic to everything and everyone around him.
@@woohooboy that's the soap logic though- look at Sam Mitchell in Eastenders,Kym Tate in Emmerdale [I only watched her initial comeback episodes and not the rest of her comeback where she settled in], Grant Mitchell in Eastenders, Michelle Fowler in Eastenders, Tracey Barlow in Corrie..... all have had comebacks with much criticised or noticed character transformations.
@@shanefolan - Soap opera writers seem to operate under the impression that characters who come back should be more and more flawed as it creates drama.
Whilst I understand that to a degree, in doing so it further removes who these people once were to the point where they no longer resemble the person that audiences identify with.
Case in point Jim McDonald. The loyal hard working law abiding husband, father and friend has been replaced with a lying, manipulative criminal con artist whose prone to violent physical outbursts.
@@woohooboy Eh Jim had always being violent, even in the 90s he'd attacked several residents and beat up Liz before. He also was arrested before for harassing her and trying to break into her house. He also killed Jez.
A better eg of a character who did a uturn was Todd Grimshaw. Sam Mitchell in Eastenders too was changed from warm and nice but in her comebacks was hard faced and bitchy and just generally out of character.
Some poetic justice about Liz being physically in charge here over Jim. He was no longer the violent powerful man who could dominate her. He was a feeble older man that was quite literally a push over at her mercy.
very good point, it was good to see him put in his place; for so many years he was a bully and here he's getting owned and made vulnerable.
Um, he hit her once. I’m not defending that, but acting like he was a dominant powerful man over her, is false. She was feisty as he was angry. He hit her once. She’s also hit him numerous times. So based on that, bad as each other.
And actually, she’s hit him more than he hit her.
So 🤷♂️
Are you saying that attacking a disabled man is okay? Violence no matter what is wrong. Her attacking Jim here just makes her a hypocrite. Calling him out for his violence, while threatening him with violence after pushing him over.
This is why he wanted revenge. Their treatment of each other is toxic. Both as bad as each other.
I love his accent
God!! I'd never forgive him for this Liz!
Who else still wants jim to come back
He's a complicated man so he is
I actually think it's his family's fault for the way Jim is and they should try and help him instead of abandoning him. His first lengthy stint in prison, which was caused by Steve getting involved with criminals, must have damaged him so much that he ended up with some sort of mental illness that he then resorted to robbing a bank, which would have been way out character for him before. This is the impression I always got from it. He therefore should have gotten the necessary help from his family, not being abandoned by them who are no saints themselves and in turn, causing him to go worse. This recent story, and the antics with Peter in prison could have been avoided if they were there for him to begin with, as in the state of mind he had developed, he thought he was doing something for his family. I just think it's sad how they've been writing the McDonald family in recent years, especially when you look at their heyday in the 90's.
Well said.
Absolutely. What they did with Jim’s character was completely bizarre to me, he was one of the most popular characters and they turned him into a psychopath out of nowhere, he went down in 2011 for robbing a bank which although was a daft thing to do he was just trying to get the money together so that him and Liz could buy the rovers, fast forward to 2014 they’ve all abandoned him, refuse to see him in prison etc, why? Then he comes back in 2018 with this pathetic storyline. Jim was never a psychopath or anything of the sort like they tried to portray him in the later years. Terrible writing.
@@dogsbollocksgenius9480 That armed robbery storyline was still ridiculously out of character. No way Jim in the 90s would ever do that. It's funny they won't talk to Jim after that, despite all of Steve's crimes in the 90s and they'll happily welcome Tracy into the family, despite that she murdered someone and even lied to Steve that Becky pushed her downstairs and caused her to lose their twins, when in fact she miscarried.
@@bpoleary1 I would have treated Jim the same way.
@@jaredporikos2197 I still think it's bad writing and makes no sense rest that they won't talk to Jim because of the armed robbery, despite that Steve committed various crimes in the past and also got involved with gangsters at one time and put the danger, not to mention they'll happily welcome Tracy into the family instead, despite that she murdered someone in cold blood and also lied to Steve that Becky pushed her down the stairs causing her to lose their twins, but somehow she's not getting the same treatment. Oh yes, and Steve and Becky were also planning on committing child abduction at the time of the armed robbery story too. They seriously need to look at how hypocritical it is not to talk to Jim anymore after the armed robbery. Anyway, that armed storyline was ridiculously out of character as it is, I'm trying to make sense of it because that was bad writing too.
Jim has done some pretty horrendous things, but THIS takes the biscuit!
that is beyond sick what jim did was he truly evil
Just love Liz. She's such a beautiful woman and a fine actress. I think this whole scheme proved that even at this age she is such a fine actress.
since when is age an indication of acting ability??? Some of the best actors in the world like Meryl Streep,Helen Mirren, Daniel Day Lewis are older/same age as Liz. Even actresses like Dot Cotton from Eastenders in their 90s stand out as some of the strongest actors on British tv. Age means bugger all in acting ability, it is not a physically demanding sport you are talking about where you have to be in your late teens-late 30s to do well, it is acting.
5 years later think we are overdue a return of Jim
So we are
They really desecrated Jim McDonald's character, didn't they?
They've done nothing but messed around with him since 2000.
It’s bizarre, they turned him from a likeable normal guy to a psychopath, just because someone has a bit of a temper and is a bit of a hard man, doesn’t mean you have to turn their character into a scheming psycho, the writers got it terribly wrong
@@dogsbollocksgenius9480 Well from this scene he clearly wasn't a psycho, the girl was.
@@dogsbollocksgenius9480agreed, even after what jez did to Steve when jim found out he killed him he was remorseful and handed himself in
They shouldn't have made Jim like this he was all about his family he even turned into a murderer to protect Steve and went to prison for him he would never treat his family like that if he wanted revenge against Liz and Steve he would have just probably beat Steve up in a fit of rage not the horrible things he did in his last stint on coronation Street
I expect there's another showdown like this on the way between Audrey and Stephen. Another long time close relationship in the show that will be damaged forever.
You sat in that prison, wallowing in self pity, trying to come up with the cruelest revenge. Where does that kind of hatred come from?
Look at your question. Answer is in there. It's come from years of sending letters and cards back unopened, ignored phone calls after you promised him you'd be waiting for him when he got out.
So, being betrayed, makes you hurt.
Yep, all he did was rob a bank trying to get them the pub ffs, he did it for liz. Why on earth would they turn their back on him for that, writing in this show is terrible, they ruined his character for no reason
@@dogsbollocksgenius9480 Some people would. Some people don't like grand gestures.
Still no excuse
Solve a problem with his fists?
He hit a man that was coming onto his wife. He hit a man that had him, you and his son hostage with a gun. He beat up a dangerous gangster who nearly killed his son. He hit your ex husband who attacked him from behind. He also only wanted get money from a bank. He had no intention of holding them hostage until an accident caused a fight he didn't start.
Yet, you attack him unprovoked while he's on a crutch.
Who's the hypocrite?
When did she attack him, cry baby? Time stamp please.
@@Black.Sabbath I’m not even gonna speak to you if you’re just gonna start hurtling abuse out of no where. Wtf. You bored or something, think you’re tough cos you’re typing online? Grow up.
And in answer to your question, the video you’re commenting on 🤷♂️
Goddamn writers
What a unbelievable storyline do they think their viewers are STUPID I am sure Jim could have come back with a more believable storyline than that, I am surprised he recognised Lizabeth she looks nothing she should do with the cosmetic procedures she has had done. Terrible acting by all.
He should have said it was Hannah’s idea
stupidest sickest storyline ever
I agree
I’m genuinely surprised Charlie Lawson didn’t tell them to get fked when they gave him the script for this, truly ruined one of the shows iconic and most popular characters.
@@dogsbollocksgenius9480 Hannah was a pretty cool character though.
Jim has done some disgusting, revolting and horrendous stuff in his time. Like the bank robbery and it got vicious! Or when he *killed* Jez Squigley(?) 4 Steve! But this.... beats the lot by *farrrrrrrrr* this must be even worse when David sent cards by a deceased murdering coward who wrecked lives on the street 😡😡😡
Poor liz if Katie was here she would of been tina’s age
This is how con men work.
Katie's 30th Anniversary 1992.
0:29 I Blamed Myself For Katie's Death.
He did things in the wrong cos he felt low. You ever been in prison for that long time Liz, cut off from your family? You wouldn't feel hurt or bitter?
How many times have you watched this scene, weirdo?
well hannah is evil
What a load of crap... so it is
Old trout needs to stop with the botox her face is beginning to shine bright like a diamond.
@EastEndery what eva!why dont you just jog on back to Eastenders....
& yes in real life the woman has in fact been dosed up on Botox... I'm not iterested in your opinion Eastend nobody
@EastEndery I've just said I'm NOT interested in what you obvious troll has to say? Jog on & leave you're comments somewhere else... you can have the last word if your that desperate...... have a good life! Or not.
But I'll pray for you... 🙏🏽 only one that looks sad & pathetic 👉 you...
You alway get one & Eastendery nobody proves that point in this instance & it will have to come back because it cant help itself & makes comments about me ffs LOL
god remember on the old corries when steves girl friend fiona middleton slept with jim now thats an old one
What he did was vile but Liz is such a hypocrite. Cos you've never done wrong or assaulted Jim have you? (Pushed an elderly vulnerable man on a crutch over). So it's okay for you to assault him but he can't do it without you never forgiving him? When you abandoned him for no reason, you asked for forgiveness and he gave it you back in seconds.
Just as bad as him so don't act like you're innocent Liz.
What pisses me off, Liz has never let Jim forget that he hit her years ago. Fair enough bang out of order. But then she has the frigging cheek to stand over him and threaten him with violence with his own crutch. Violence goes both ways yanno. If he isn't allowed to hit you why is it okay for you to do it to him? Also you still shoved an ill man to the ground. That's still assault. When Jim hit you it was because while he was in the army you slept with his best mate. No reason to hit you but you did a cruel thing to him. He does a cruel thing to you but suddenly youre allowed to hit him?? Hannah is right about how horrible Liz and Steve are to Jim. I'd say they've been worse to him than he has to them.
He was a vile husband back then,
to use the memory or your dead child in vain is disgusting. He deserves more than being shoved to the ground
Says the one who's got such a sad life he's cyber bullying someone on comments on CZcams over a fictional TV show. If you think assault only means hitting shows how ignorant and narrow minded you are. Assault even comes under grabbing someone you idiot. Now go grow up somewhere else.
@WakinTheDeadFan wow, are you that bored and such an arsehole you just start hurling abuse at someone for no reason??
@@stillirise9705 right, so you think he does that, it gives you the right to assault someone? Police would arrest you then. Hypocrite.
@@MrCdawson17 would make me feel better, I'd happily let them arrest me
Deirdre’s grave should have Been there
Hannah should've pretended to be Deirdre
@BLACK.SABBATH i wonder how long that would of lasted 😂
terrible acting from Jim.
Just the whole delivery of the lines and the performance here, seems forced and unnatural, it is like you are aware he is acting. Hard to actually explain exactly how-some actors and performances just come across as really bad on screen. Other examples would be Vicky Fowler in eastenders from the early noughties-very unnatural or the actress who played Danny dyer's daughter,Nancy carter, always seemed very forced and unnatural. Don't get me wrong, he was decent back in his day but as far as I'm aware he has being doing very little acting work in the past decade so you can see how his skills would diminish. Charles Lawson was quite 1 dimensional though-his only time he was interesting and acted well was when he was angry. It shows here that he didn't have great range in his acting ability as he couldn't deliver this scene.
Actors to appear natural should be believable and it just comes out as natural onscreen and you forget they are acting- I think the actress who plays Sharon's son Dennis in Eastenders comes across as very believable or the actress who plays Tiffany Butcher works well on screen. Shane Richie is another very bad one imho. It is a craft, some people carry it off well and others don't.
@@shanefolan Jake Wood is the best actor on any of the soaps, brilliant actor and too good to be on that show. He can do everything, anger, crying, charming, great actor. Phil Mitchell is obviously very one dimensional but he’s an underrated actor himself
@@dogsbollocksgenius9480 Jack P Shepherd (David Platt) is one of the best actors in soaps too, like Max he can do anything that’s given to him.
@@shanefolan What is there to act, he's remorseful and hearing her out because he knows she's right, and he's spot on.
The actress who plays Liz is by far the worst actress on the show. Awful acting in important scenes once again. Felt no emotion.
BW1994 the plastic surgery makes her facial expressions numb....Botox is not good for actors, especially too much.
@Mycroft Holmes nah this person is a hannah fan god knows why she is vile
naww come on! that liz/karen huge argument scene was freaking amazing
link to scene- czcams.com/video/6J7Qd0x23lg/video.html
Hannah!!! Not sure what you were watching
Mycroft Holmes considering all the evil things you have done you can't talk.