These Are The Top 10 BEST Used Electric Car Bargains - So Cheap You Might Go EV!
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- ( www.TFLcar.com ) New electric cars can be expensive - even with tax incentives - but what if you buy used? Nathan and Roman count down the top 10 cars that are shockingly affordable.
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Love the EV coverage.
Same here. I love cars, I want an EV, but the hype is all about tesla these days. Seeing other ev's covered is great, especially used.
@@volvo09 if not a tesla get a bolt with dc fast charge. Did alot of research and its the best buy right now. 2020 got a 29 mile range increase due to battery chemistry for the same price.
@@volvo09 dont get a leaf. No active cooling battery degradation is an issue. Nissan is killing itself with that.
Same here. You have spent time in these cars and can be fair and abjective. A Bev has been our main vehicle for years. I still own a hybrid and an ICE car as well. I don't think I will ever buy another ICE car as long as I live.
@@davidbeaulieu4815 how many of these pieces of shit have you had for 10 years. Or does your research only mean you read the internet?
01:53 - #10 Toyota Rav 4 EV
04:22 - #9 Chevy Bolt EV premier
06:26 - #8 BMW i3 REX
08:08 - #7 Kia Soul EV
09:25 - #6 VW e-golf
11:40 - #5 Chevy Spark EV
13:11 - #4 Fiat e500
14:32 - #3 Smart for 2 electric
16:11 - #2 Mitsubishi iMiev
18:15 - #1 Nissan Leaf
Thank you!
no Ionic? shocking!
Nissan LEAF is still only an air cooled battery. They did change the chemistry in 2014 / 15 to make ot more heat resistant, but bottom line - a risky proposition in hot climates.
Leaf it alone! It's shit!
@@siraff4461 leasing are for people who likes throwing money away. Always better to finance or paying cash.
@@Hboogie182 If you replace your car every 2-5 years, leasing is much more economically prudent on an EV, given how bad their resale values are.
I almost bought one!! I live in Az and this literally is the only thing that made me pause hard
air cooled is still all they do; in hotter or colder temps it is not as good for the long haul.
I bought a used 2016 Fiat 500E in Electric Orange for $9500. I love the way it drives and I am able to get 100 miles of city driving.
Naughtysauce ....this was 5 months ago for a 500e with about 20,000 miles. Price is before tax and registration. Where I live I see EVs everywhere ,and there are about 14 Charging stations within walking distance of my home. At my place of employment there 10 level 2 chargers.
I’m pretty sure that’s why I paid a premium for my used 500e. Just checked online and they are still priced about the same with one with 30,000 miles going for $8500
ferkemall weird flex but ok.
@ferkemall you do have range anxiety, that is why you bought a diesel. Our cheapest ev is a used smart. We live out of town and 80% of our daily driving is under 70 miles. When we do have longer drives we take the Volt and I think it has been around 7 months since we filled that 9 gal tank. How much fuel have you bought in the last 7 months?
@ferkemall you make up excuses to stay in your unchanging bubble. You offer no solutions. Only reason not to evolve. Working on an electric car is no different than any other vehical. You sound like someone arguing to keep a horse instead of getting a Model T.
@ferkemall I got up to date knowledge and everything you just said proves my previous post. Pulling a battery is no different than pulling an engine. Actually it is a lot less complicated than you make it. Hundreds of fewer parts and pieces to an ev compared to an ice. Your arguments are as old as you. Always with your kind is that "it can't be done" or "my way is better". Someday maybe you will learn that the only thing you can count on is change.
I bought a used 500e 3 years ago for 7k . It has been the most reliable car I have ever owned .
It's not just the early leafs that are air cooled. Nissan has stubbornly refused to put any kind of active cooling in their battery packs.
Still to this day they do this. Nissan improved the chemistry but still passively air cooled the packs.
Looks like they just want to keep the price down as much as possible.
@@humanprovement3677 no they don't want to put more money into doing it right. And they know people will still buy it the way it is
Just like Porsches and VW's, only buy EV's that are water cooled if you care about longevity. The Nissan Leaf was a prime example of what goes wrong with air cooling.
Unfortunately with the Germans the rest of the car will give problems overtime. The only problem with the Leaf is the battery.
I got a 2014 Fiat500e for $5,600 with a sunroof and 30,000 miles. Great commuter. Since I charge it every night at home no issue with not having the DC fast charging. Saves me $300 a month over my other car, a 2014 Tundra.
That's closer to being more reasonable priced although it has to be even more value depreciated to be something I want to pay for.
@@TheRealFobican more? Its $5 grand.
Let's get real for a minute. Most commuters are not doing it for fun, they just need to get to work with as little fuss as possible. Charging overnight at home, instead of hunting for and then waiting in line at a filling station, would work for most people. No need for fast-charging.
Racing from 0-60 and zig-zagging through traffic is how arseholes drive. EV batteries last longer if you don't drive like an arsehole. Don't drive like an arsehole.
Okay, let's get real...most people DON'T HAVE HOME CHARGING AS AN OPTION. Most people don't have a charger at every corner, every store, and at their jobs. The 'inconvenience' of spending 5-10 minutes fueling--ONCE A WEEK--is far LESS inconvenient than spending time you don't have, trying to keep your EV charged.
Depends largely on whether you live in a house or rent an apartment.
@@billcichoke2534 77% of the US population lives in houses according to the US Census Bureau. If you have a house you have home charging unless you are Amish. I absolutely guarantee you spend more time fueling your vehicle than I do each week (hint its zero minutes). Stop spreading lies.
@@JT-xq2hv Really? Do all of those homes have new wiring capable of handling the load of an L2 charger? (HINT: most homes 20 years or older, DON'T.) Do all those houses have room for the car to be parked next to the house, rather than on the street?
I guarantee that if you actually had to pay FULL FREIGHT for your power, like those who DON'T have an EV, solar, and state subsidy do, your savings aren't anywhere NEAR what's advertised. And you STILL have to charge the car for AT LEAST 30 minutes, every other day.
5 minutes...every 10 days or so...who's the lying little golf cart soyboy, eh?
@@billcichoke2534 convenience ain't all - toxicity of air @ fuelin' $tation$ another
I love that used evs are really cheap. The range of all of the, seem very low but depending on your needs a cheap $6k car that gets you to and from work or the grocery store and rake the kids to school. I was talking to a guy this weekend ( I live in Arizona) and he has a leaf with 90,000 miles on it. He had the first battery replaced under warranty. He gets only 50 something miles of range on the highway. But he can charge at work. He loves it. So cool. I personally drive a used model S. The cool thing about evs is that older cars feel like new
Cheap for a reason. Like anything in life you get what you pay for.
unbiased cobra66 aww negative nelly
@@Chrisb8s no a realist. Anyone that thinks an ev is cheaper or better for the environment is very gullible. You are american so you most likely believe anything you hear.
unbiased cobra66 so, a gas car is better for the environment. Or maybe a diesel ? How does gas get to your car? Let’s see. Crude oil is pumped out of the ground. Then transported to a refining station where electricity is used to refine that into gas/petrol which then needs to be transported to a gas station so that it can be pumped into your car. Before the gas is even used it has polluted more than your car will for that. All on of gas. Or is it because of the lithium ? Tell me.
@@Chrisb8s you seriously have no idea where batteries come from do you? Maybe you should research some more. All those processes still arnt as bad as the manufacturing process of batteries. How do you dispose of old batteries? I guess you think the chemicals in batteries is narural, as is the 1000s of meters of copper in an electric motor. Again are these materials just magically materialised? You may want to see how the electronics are actually made, its much worse for the environment.
As a canadian the 2017 Electric leaf drives well in the snow. The battery range is lower for sure but it works well.
Other than if you live in the city, it’s the Chevy Bolt or nothing. It has active liquid cooling, fast charging, and range that most people would never need to worry about. Only down side imo is the quirky looks.
Timothy Nguyen Couldn’t find one!
DrgnFlys Biggest issue is that Tesla aren’t (in general) close to the $17k area. GM doesn’t make good small cars but their EVs have been good in my experience. I’ve had (and still have) a Chevy Volt gen 1 with almost 70k miles with almost zero issues other than loose axles bolts that I just tighten “over spec” which seem to work. Currently I personally drive a Model 3 AWD, what made me get a Tesla was because my parents got a Model x 90D the year prior that I drive once or twice a week for various reasons and just fell in love with Tesla’s software and features. Right now we still have all three cars and have had little to no problems with any of them
What about the E-Golf? It looks good and have decent range.
Completely agree. You can find a used one for around $14 to $15,000 if you search. No way I'm spending 10 grand on a vehicle that I can only go 70 miles on. That's crazy.
Excellent video! I am a current driver of a used 2015 Nissan Leaf. No it doesn't have CHADEMO DC QUICK CHARGING, but it does have both front and rear heated seats. To top it all off the stearing wheel is also heated. This electric vehicle cost me less than $8,000 dollars.
I live in Florida with a 2013 Nissan Leaf. I have had the battery replaced 3 times. There is now a 30 kW battery in the vehicle. The actual battery itself is air cooled and not water cooled and this is a huge problem. The next problem that people have in buying leafs is there is no support for Nissan on upgrading battery pack. The estimate that I got for replacing the battery when mine degrades has been $9500. Take into account that I only spent $10500 for the vehicle. This vehicle because of Nissan's lack of support has become a throwaway vehicle. As soon as the battery goes down one bar I am going to sell the vehicle. FYI. There have been people who have placed 40 kilo up battery packs into 2012/2013 leaf vehicles. I have seen one person put a 60 kW battery pack into a 2012/2013 Nissan Leaf. Because of Nissan's lack of customer support I have falling in surely become anti leaf not anti electric vehicle. Ty
Got the Spark EV last year. Incredible car. So much fun.
Wow! A positive EV video from you guys?
Ok, I'll watch.
Your knowledge and advice is getting pretty solid. 1/2 way through, no facepalms. All criticism is fair.
Good episode!
Amazing the money some of these short range cars are getting.
Guys. No mention of the Ford Focus Electric?? Had a 2013 with a 23 kWh battery and loved it. Leased for 3 years. Then got 2017 has 33.5 kWh battery and dc fast charging. Amazing cars that always had a liquid cooled and heated battery. Reliable and usable hatchback. 120-240km range depending on your drive. Lots for sale used.
Timely video, and I appreciate TFL-C's opinions/ comments here.
Good job Nathan and Roman!
I'd like to see a comprehensive video that dives into support for second hand EVs. E.g. I hear the older Nissan Leaf's have no available replacement battery pack. Availability, cost, and a rough idea of where you can find qualified mechanics. This type of information would help me decide if a second hand EV is right for me.
Don't blame you there. I don't even know if some states have them. I've never seen one of my state. Not to say they're not here just saying never saw one
#1 Still air cooled. Have a 2016 SV - got used last year for 412,867 with 23,490 miles. Still has 11 out of 12 bars - can get range up to 107 miles ()30kw batt). Works great for my around town driving, which is 99% of my driving. Love it.
This was the best pod for me at this time. Thanks
You guys did a really great job here- factual and entertaining. Thank you.
In March I've bought 2015 BMW i3 REX CPO for $17.5k for everyday driving, love it. So fun to drive and so cheap!
How does it drive in the snow? Also what is the range in cold climate
@@colinisnowlostincolorado don't know yet, what I read range is like 20 miles lower, but with Level 2 home charger (240V) there is option to precondition battery (warm it up) before ride. We see. I drive every day about 45 miles so even with so small battery it is more than enough for me and REX is just in case :) Winter tires is a must I think. (rear wheels drive).
@@suzaquad nice. That's actually not bad. My Volt has a 38m summer range and in the winter 25-28m. But it's a bit different here in Colorado for winter over WI.
What options do you have and what interior 'World' did you get?
How many miles were on it when you purchased it? What was the usable battery compacity in kw at the time? $17,500 seems way too high for a 2015 i3 REx, 2017 are that price.
@@mamadouaziza2536 bought it in March of 2019 :) and just sold it last month and bought Chevy Bolt.
A used Bolt is the best value. The new ones lose resale value super fast because everyone would rather have a Model 3.
I don’t agree. A used low mile Bolt is 26k. You can buy a new one for less after incentives and the lease is dirt cheap. The Bolt is more reliable than the Tesla 3. Although Tesla is gaining ground quickly.
When the federal incentives are over the Bolt is done unless Gm can drop the price to 30k. Who would buy an 40k Bolt over a 38k Tesla 3? Although the Bolt is much easier to get in and out of.
It is cool. And your username tells me all I need to know.
@KneeGrowObama You cant find a used 3 for under 40k. You can get a used 2018 Bolt for 24k all day long.
@KneeGrowObama The 40k 3 is nothing like the 65k Performance 3. They are two completely different machines. You cant even buy a used 50,000 miles performance 3 for anywhere close to 40k.
You are comparing an AWD 160 mph 3.5 second 310 miles range performacar to the base RWD 240 mile range one.
@@fatboy19831
Used Bolts are now $15k or less for the LT. New Bolt LTs start at $22k after the Chevy $8500 instant discount. You can't get a new Model 3 for $22k.
Very useful information Guys.
Thank you for a most valuable and informative presentation.
Just wanted to chime in about the fiat 500e from the perspective as a college student. I got one in april for $7000 with 40k miles (los Angeles). I chose this over the egolf se and spark ev because the level 2 charging speed was rated at 6.6 kwh versus 3.3 kwh and it was 2 to 4k less than the others. This doubles the charge time which isn't a problem when you charge at home but I charge on my college campus where the time limit is 4 hours. I can fully charge in about 3 and it would be around 8 with the others. We used to have a leaf that we gave back at the end of the lease due to no cooling and we also have a volt now. Fast charging isn't a problem for me as a student as I can just catch up on homework and sit in my car if im somewhere other than home and campus and I gain 24 miles per hour on level 2. All in all, it has been working really well for me and its fun to drive and there also are no blindspots to spot for. I also enjoy picking up spots on campus that others can't fit in. I'm planning to stick with this and use the savings to pick up a used bolt when I graduate in 4 years.
Toyota please bring back the Electric RAV4!!!
nice review!
I have a 2015 gas Smart Fortwo with 17000 miles that I bought new from a ford dealer due to a deal that went bad with 5 miles on it for 9,400 out the door. I bought it 2 years ago and I have taken it from Sacramento to Palm Springs then to San Diego and on 1-5 I was perfectly fine even through the grapevine. It’s been a good, reliable car.
You are blessed and lucky. I know a guy that went through 3 in 6 years. He loved the car they kept self destructing. He is an world class engineer. He just loved the smart. He finally gave up and purchased an Bmw M3.
I'd like to see you do something like this, but focused on hybrids, and plug in hybrids.
@KneeGrowObama Yeah, except for the thousands of Prius taxis all over the world that are running fine after 300,000 miles.
Great review, big fan of the i-Miev for it's practicality
They missed the Ford Focus EV
The title is TOP 10 Best EV S , ford focus ev is a crappy ev with mediocre range
That's probably because they couldn't find any for sale. They were only sold in very limited numbers in California, New Jersey and New York.
@@andreibasa Well the Focus was more affordable EV with 100 mile range by 2017.
@@dlwatib CarMax has 15 on its website. So as there is probably 100+ nationwide.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Focus_Electric
When shopping for a BMW i3, check carefully for damage/ The i3 has a carbon fibre shell. If it is damaged even slightly, it cannot be repaired and the car is totaled.
Count the bars when shopping for a leaf. The Leaf is the only one I know that has an obvious indication of the battery capacity. (How worn it is, what kind of range you can expect.) It starts with 12 and at 6 or 7 bars there is little range left.
One might also consider the used Mercedes EVs, like the B Class (2013 for 16K, 2017 for 17K) if you'd like a little luxury.
In California, the only way to get an HOV sticker is to either buy new or buy a car that has not had one. (All previous stickers expired Jan 1, this year.There is a complete list online on the DMV site. I was able to get one for my 2015 Leaf, for example..
The insane thing with Nissan Leaf is the lack of battery cooling, which completely destroy and degrades the batteries way faster and earlier than needed.
And that wipes out some of the environment benefit of an EV when you have to replace packs more often.
10-2014 Toyota RAV4 Ev
9-2017 Chevrolet Bolt Ev Premier
8-2013 BMW i3 w Range Extender
7-2016 Kia Soul Ev
6-2016 Volkswagen E Golf Se
5-2016 Chevrolet Spark Ev
4-2015 Fiat 500 E
3-2015 Smart 4 two Electric
2-2012 Mitsubishi MiEv
1-2012 Nissan Leaf Sv
When you pick your used EV, ask the critical question. What range do I NEED (not want b/c I’m anxious). My EV consistently delivers it’s range day to day. Unless you turn on the resistive heater a lot, the range is ALWAYS there. It IS less in the winter (
Considering I can burn two tanks of gas a day on occasion, I need about 600 miles of range. I'm not sitting for a 2 hour charge when 15 minutes or less gets me fuel.
Exceptional Video!!
What about the Ford Focus electric? It’s around 8k with 78 miles of range. bigger battery and fast charging in later models
I don't think you guy's are giving the spark enough credit. I have a 2016 in granite black. I got it for $7800 with 36k miles. I swapped out the front tires and it does 5.8 second 0-60 and has 80 miles of range. It also has level 3 charging and I use the torque pro app to get bad ass torque and hp output gauges and a bunch of other metrics, i had to go on the forums and use a bolt csv file to get it to work. But this is the best car I've ever owned. I have a challenger in my garage collecting dust now. Yikes....
+1 on the Spark. Your numbers are a little off, but I daily drive one with a Corvette in the garage. I paid about $8k after TTL with 25k miles and have already put 5k miles on it since March. Mine is getting about 5 mi/kWh, but here in Colorado I always have to climb hills to get home. Love the car! Especially at our altitude it’s quicker than most people think, given gas engines lose about 15% of their power and the EV loses nothing.
I love the Spark Ev. It is a blast! Gm hit that one out of the park without even trying. They made a car batter than the leaf in almost every way 6 years ago.
Is it DC fast charging and if it is . What is the max rate you see at a charger.
Was thinking about a cheap car for local driving.
@@kens97sto171 max I've seen is 46kw peak from a 50kw rated charger. I get instant 44-46kw all the way to 80% then it falls to about 30-35kw up to 90% then down to about 25kw up to 95%... something like that..i usually just charge it slightly past 80% then top the rest off in my garage over night with 120v @12amp. The dcfc only takes about 10-15minutes depending on your SoC when you arrive.
@@zefram47 I'm not sure what you meant that my numbers were a little off... after licensing and dealer fees it came out to about $9200. I could only imagine having that additional 15% altitude advantage, I already beat every car I pull up to at stop lights.. but you gotta make sure the front tires are normal street tires and not the oem ecopia. I still chirp my tires under heavy acceleration, I think if I got even stickier tires it could do better than 5.8 second 0-60 tbh.. btw I got that time in sport mode with traction control off using torque pro app. If there was a way to post a screen shot I could. Maybe I'll link to it on some image hosting site if anyone is curious..
My imiev made it up one of our ice covered Hills a couple of years ago when my landlord could not make it up in his Toyota Prius.
I'd forgotten about the Mitsubishi MiEV. Probably because it got overshadowed by the Leaf. Quirky little car though, even if it's only really a city runabout. Might make a good first car....
Any crash test coverage for the EVs? im pretty excited about the new Nissan EV i think it's going to be based off the SUV concept
I need to buy stock in the battery business.
Don't forget the mining companies who get the rare materials for the batteries.
I thought the Bolt was a micro compact until I recently got close to one for the first time. It's not a large car, but it's a lot bigger than the Spark, for instance. Spark is 143 in. long, Bolt is 164 in. The Bolt interior is much roomier than I thought, too. I'm 6' 1" (185 cm) and there's plenty of room for me. If I find a good deal on one I'll strongly consider replacing our '17 Outback. For us, we find that we rarely need the extra space and almost all our driving is in town. Also we already have a 240v outlet in our garage. We can rent a bigger car on the very few occasions that we need to carry a lot or take a long trip. Of course our driving habits are different than lots of other people's.
Kudos to you guys running this topic. if you run another one with phev, the plug-in hybrid, it will be very appreciated! I'm not a fan of all existing EVs, because I simply cannot drive out of the state without significant amount of time for charging, we drive across three states all the time
Going to heavily consider a Bolt as my kids car in the near future as a result of this.
Did I miss it? I didn't hear you guys talk about the Ford Focus EV. In my local market they are going in the range of $7k-$10k. And I believe they had a range of about 80 miles..... but don't quote me on that.
Your best bet if you can find one & deal with the cargo area hit is a 2017 or 2018 Focus Electric. Yes it has a properly thermally managed battery. 2017 - 100 miles or 2018 - 115 miles of range.
For anyone considering a Kia Soul EV, be sure the dealer in your area can service it. I live in Northern Illinois and NO dealer in the area could/would service mine. Kia had to ship it to Rochester, NY to service it. In the 8 months I owned one, I only was able to drive it for 4 of them. I finally had to cut my losses and trade it in.
I picked up a used BMW i3 REX 2015 for $17000 27k miles loaded up, love it!
Overpriced by $3000.
@@mamadouaziza2536 okay if you think so.
Thanks, but what about the Ford Focus Electric?
Very good. Useful to those who want to try EV on the cheap. Figure out what you need and go find a fit. I bought A Smart Car ($4800, 28K miles) for short trips to avoid taking my big cars. Love it! It's fun to drive, I charge at home every 4-5 days. So simple.
We bought the gas smart as a new 2009 model (two cars actually). Between the two cars I think I've racked up at least 160k miles. Even I will only drive in manual shift mode - then it's a decent car. We put our 2003 4Runner (V8) to the garage and now it only handles the hardware store runs. But getting back to the subject, once EVs get close to what Teslas can do, and it's offered as a true coupe, then I'd be interested.
Buy a used Tesla with less than 50000 miles from Tesla. They give you a new 4yr 50k mile warranty from date of purchase. Battery is 8 yr from manufacture date
10melvis the model 3 SR+ will probably beat any used Model S in terms of price from Tesla and get the same warranty
Except you have no idea about the condition of CPO cars they sell :(
@@mediaaccount167 the Tesla rep will send you pics of the car you are interested. Teslas site lets you choose clean history or previously repaired.
@Epstein didnt kill himself I've had zero issues with my 2015 model s 85d. So haven't dealt with customer service. Time is money to me so having a car with no issues is more important. I get annoyed now with taking my nissan for oil changes. The dealership has great customer sercice but I'm still wasting 45 minutes to an hour waiting for the service.
So, if you buy a Tesla with 48k miles on it and it has a 4yr/50k mile warranty, how is that a good deal? You literally only have 2k miles of warranty.
Do more "practical" videos like this! Can you do a video about Tesla used car prices?
It was actually Tesla that terminated the RAV4 program. The Model S orders had started to really take off and they didn't have enough production capacity to build all the Model Ss they had orders for and also build powertrains for the RAV4.
Great video on EV cars
I just got me a 2013 Fiat 500e with a 110 volt charger but I saw someone on CZcams who just replaced the plug with 240 volt, and I did the same now my battery charges in5 hours instead of 9
Wife commutes ~4mi/day round trip. We live in a small isolated town on the Oregon coast so no over the highway travel required.
Something faster than a NEV. Range only 10-15 miles. Single person occupant. Home plugin chargeable. I'd like to hear any suggestions you have.
I just got a 2020 chevy bolt. 28k including taxes. And should get another 3375 in incentives thru state and federal. Not bad. Has 259 mile range. Best deal for a new one. My other car is a 2016 leaf for 14k. 100 mile range. Both very nice. The leaf is totally decked with bose speakers and leather seats.
I know which I would buy, because I did. In April I got a fully loaded 2015 i3 REx. Retailed for $55,000 and I got it for $16,800. Have not had a single problem in my 6 months.
Good content and EV history and love the nod to Big Ben
Used generation 2 Volt should have made the list. Solid car.
It’s not a EV. While its a plug-in hybrid that can go on electricity alone, you could drive it without ever charging it. Not an EV.
@@TFLcar You could also drive it without ever using gas as well. Volt can play either way and anything in between. I once drove a Volt for 7 months using less than a quart of gas (Just enough for the mandatory fluids circulation run that Volt does every 6 weeks).
That battery warranty is pro rated after a certain amount of miles. That’s something you need to do your homework on before buying used.
Nope. 8 years average on batteries or 100k miles.
Where did you find that Chevy Bolt? Got a link?
A neighbor bought a BMW I3 and after four Months of ownership his car got hit while parked at a donut shop, the vehicle that hit it took off and still hasn't been identified. He took it to his body shop he's been using for small dings and repainting. He normally keeps a vehicle for 10 years or more.
He got a phone call four days later and was shocked when the informed him the car was totaled! ?????
Why he asked? Because the entire car body is made out of carbon fiber. It would cost over $160,000 to fix it!!!!!
He replaced the car by accepting the check from his insurance company and bought a new Tesla model 3 performance model. He's been driving BMW sine he was in high school and is in the process of getting rid of all his BMW's (5) as he is now a Tesla believer, to wit the weeks after he took delivery of his model 3 he took his wife to a Tesla gallery to test drive a model X. They were lucky in a turned in model X was available with all the bells and whistles. She loves it and with four kids it phenomenal. The X is equipped with 6 seats.
Cheers!
What cars are safe to buy? I keep researching I see great deals but they are 2014 2015 2016 and I just worry that the battery will die. I almost bought a spark ev and heard too many bad things about them. Please advise
About the Soul: it's a great car, but is also air cooled, albeit actively unlike the Leaf. Truly hot climates are still rough on these batteries. Kia will replace them when they reach 70% of original capacity, so keep that in mind for your range requirements. The battery / EV warranty is 10 years / 100,000 miles. The newest model sold in the U.S. is 2019 so 8 years at the most...
I've also found Kia service to be very mixed for people, despite the warranty.
This is an older vid but hopefully if people are still watching this is helpful.
I have one I very rarely fast charge. Just keep that to a minimum I got a battery replacement in 2019, 30 kilowatt for the 2016 so far so good when time to replace batteries I hope it cheap by than.
What about the Mercedes 250e? It partnered with Tesla as well and you can get them sub 20k.
Would love reliability rating for these! Friend is considering the Bolt and was wondering how they've performed in real world since 2017
they are super reliable nothing really to go wrong on them, just a battery and a motor. got 100k on a company one no issues yet
Transportation evolved bolt just died after her 1000mile trip. Still at stealer...
Nice jump scare at 20:22
I’d probably go for the Bolt as well mainly for range.
No love for the Chevy Volt ? I think it was one of the top selling vehicles next to the leaf before the bolt made its debut.
I drive a '12 Volt premium.
It not an EV. It’s a plug-in hybrid.
@@TFLcar ahh... Always associated it as an electric vehicle with a range extender, because that is exactly how I use it. My lifetime 70k electric miles, and 5k gas miles.
Thought the BMW i3 was the same but their gas engine just powers the batteries.
Thanks for making awesome videos!
It’s an EREV. Extended Range Electric Vehicle just like the i3 you put on the list. The gas engine is an electricity generator into the battery like the BMW.
@@TFLcar The Volt is an EV ... with the safety net of an emergency ICE. Not so different from an i3 as others have noted. If I didn't have an Abarth parked in the drive, I'd have a Volt.
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The i3 and the Volt aren't the same, the gas engine in the Volt can drive the wheels and in the i3, the gas engine only generates electricity for the battery.
Both vehicles have a 'Hold State Of Charge' function, but the i3 is the only one of the two that can actually charge the battery when the car is at a standstill when not plugged in.
Thx for dissing the used EV model I'm looking to buy, since I don;t want price to go up :)
BTW, you forgot to mention the forgettable Ford Focus Electric that has a funky shaped battery pack taking up most of the cargo space.... or that the Mitsubishi i-MiEV has battery pack uses forced air cooling too.... (so its not just a issue for the Nissan Leaf)...and it was sold as Peugeot iO or the Citroën C-Zero... it was coolest looking, in its own geeky way...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_i-MiEV
Best looking ones on the list are the 500e and the e-Golf... both look just like their ICE counterparts.
My car powered off in the middle of you discussing the lack of a Frunk or Froot (I like the sound of Froot better). And I captured the freeze frame where it paused as you both have your hands out in disbelief at Nissan’s designers choice to exclude it. 20:47
I wish I could share the image here with you but it left me in stitches. I can almost see straight now. Thanks for all you do. I love your channel. Even going back on stuff from 3 years ago. It’s all good. Thank you, not just to this series but to all your channels. I TFLall+
Any further info on that lightly damaged Model 3 that was mentioned?
The bolt is the best used ev you can get for 25,000 and it has liquid cooling. The premier comes with fast charging.
You can buy a new one for 25k after incentives.
Not in ohio we don’t have any state credits or rebates for evs
@@markfitzpatrick6692 Yes you do the federal one. Up to $7500.
fatboy19831 wrong i cant qualify i dont make enough plus gm has got to 200,000 sold so the low credit would not get it down to 25,000. The local dealers have some at 32,000 but that is not 25,000. I dont know why you always challenge my post i know what i am talking about. If i get a bolt it will be used and like i said auto trader has some for 25,000 or below depending on milage.
@@markfitzpatrick6692 I am just trying to spread information. Please do not take it personal. You are correct about the federal tax credit it has been cut to $3850. You can buy a New Bolt in ohio for 30k. All day long. No military , college grad or loyalty discount included. There is no shortage of them so the dealer can't play hardball.
So if you can't qualify for the tax credit you would save 6 grand to buy used. You can easily find an 20k mile 2018 car for 24k.
For anyone that can get the tax credit you are talking $26,150. As long as you have an $4000 tax liability you get that back.
That is not including GMs military , loyalty or College graduation discount.
Here in the state of Maryland we get a $3000 credit that you do not have to qualify for.
That would bring the cost down to $23,150. That is not including the $500 credit for installing a charger.
That is $1000 less than the 20k mile used one you would be buying.
Personally I would not pay more than 24k for a used 2018. It better have a few options like a fast DC charger.
At the end of the year new Bolt prices will dip even more most likely down to 28k. That will hold over on the 2019 cars into 2020.
Hey guys I was going to buy a leaf . We live in a hot climate so I guess that’s out Bmw are to pricey . I think I might buy a used one after listening to you bot . Thank you for your information keep the interesting videos coming
What the opinion of the Mercedes b250e in this grouping?
Im honestly supersized you guys didn't mention the ford focus evim getting one asap i love them
Cant wait for you to check out the Kona EV
8:01 well this myth refuses to die the Rex can produce ~42hp continuously enough to keep you @ 75~mph on low elevation variation and the moments that you need >42hp it can tap on the battery as it will start before the battery fully depletes. The car can also be coded to allow you to start the Rex earlier to have up to a 75% battery buffer so the “crawl mode” becomes impossible.
BMW made a serious mistake not making the REX usage idiot proof. It's a very capable system but people just don't bother to learn anything about their cars. I have spent hours in the mountains running 70mph in my i3, the only part the sucks is stopping for gas every 120 miles or so. They doomed themselves to these rumors by not giving NA market the hold mode and/or not restricting speed to prevent you from going into crawl mode. I turn in my i3 from a 3 year lease later this month. Fantastic car and a good deal with used prices.
You are correct sir!
Everyone of these EV's looks overpriced for the limited range, charge time and limited options for repairs. But the video was great, excellent review, thumbs up.
Not over priced considering the range. A new EV with a 200 mile range is about $40k compared with a used EV that has about 100 to 80 miles for $10k..
These EVs charge at 50kwh and that was standard at the time these EVs came out. Also, the battery tech in all these EVs with the exception of the Leaf is wonderful with little to no battery degradation. A 2014 BMW i3 can certainly still get 72 to 80 miles of electric range and with the optional REx, get another 70 miles for only $13k considering the car cost $55k in 2014.
I've owned my 2019 Chevy Bolt Premier since brand new and still love it. Wouldn't trade it for a Rolls-Royce.
EVs are awesome and will save you money on zero gas, maintenance and depreciation. If you’re in the market for a slightly used model 3, 5 year cost of ownership is comparable to a Camry.
I love my used 2013 smart electric. Not one problem yet. Good enough for everywhere I need to go.
Under $7000
I agree with Roman about the designs not what I would like even as a first ev.
Steeler fan! I knew I liked this channel for some reason.
I am looking to buy my first ev. I'm thinking 2016 Nissan leaf or 2016 Kia Soul. The more I look..the more unsure I become. Any thoughts, opinions would be greatly appreciated. I'm in Canada.. so winter driving is a consideration. I have to make a decision soon.
In Oregon you can get up to $2,500 rebate for buying a USED electric car, if you are low income or modest income.
BMW i3 with the REX coded to unlocked at 75% battery is the best EV on this list by far. Just turn the REX
on/off anytime you want and never worry about range again. You can road trip the i3 and average 45 MPG highways speeds. Average 100+ in the city when driving 45mph or less. The i3 REX is a pure EV that can also be a Prius equiv hybrid at a push of a buttons. Sure I drive pure EV as much as possible, but in the 18,500 miles I have driven over the past 9 months I don’t hesitate to turn on the REX. I estimate the car has saved me $2,250 in gas which offsets the monthly payment nicely!
How come the focus never made it....I kinda like them...and I believe the newer ones had 200 kmls ...lol Moe
Heavy (and lower efficiency/range), nearly no storage behind seats, more expensive, and many had odd propensity for electrical issues. Mostly lower range, cost, and immediate turn-off when you open hatch and see nearly no space for that large a car.
How do I find out about having the battery fixed on a leaf for free? Dont the dealers put new updates battery and cooling system for free ?
I just got the 17 Bolt Premier, it drives great. It already has one foot driving in L mode.
My city has Level 3 charges, in one spot. I have just the little level 1 plug, in my garage. I charge it at just 8 amps, which is 960 watts.
When I picked it up, it had 25 miles range. I found a Level 3 DCFC and charged it to 196-mile range in an hour, FOR FREE. Now plug it in overnight it maintains 245-mile range! Lookup Bolt SS (baby the Bolt, and then charge it up some show 400 mile range)!
I also have a SPARK EV! Yes it has a DCFC (yes Level 3) Only the 14 has 400 ft-lb, the 15 and 16 has 325. The style is a little odd, but inside it, it is really awesome!
I drove a Kia Soul EV last year and Kia support is absolutely dreadful. DO NOT BUY A KIA SOUL EV, unless you live in a city with a Kia dealership certified for the Soul EV.
How you have the Smart EV on this list, is mind-blowing. There are zero dealers that can support it! (Renault just started production of their 3rd Generation ZOE, 10 years of retail sales)
Jason Carmichael Thank you for that detailed explanation. I'm looking at the Chevy
And you had me at Nathan lol
what about the mercedes b class. it has the same ev drive train as the rav4.
The first generation leaf's front end looks like an american football, just outline the panels and it comes close to one.
How did the focus electric not make this list?
No one knows about it. I saw my first one last weekend. It is a very nice car with an 100 mile range that drives better than the gas version.