I looked at a Ford Mach-E a few months ago. The dealership added $15,000 to the sticker price as a "market adjustment"! I laughed all the way out of the showroom.
I also looked at the Ford Mack E a few months back. In Texas, the dealer did everything they could to discourage my interest in electric vehicles in total, and especially the Ford one. He did not know any answers to any of the questions I had and kept offering me gas vehicles, asking why I was interested in electric. He quoted internet references to the electric vehicles being bad for the environment and then advised as they were in such short supply there was a $15k premium over sticker price. I guess the dealers don't want to sell them. With the over supply you review in this video, you would expect deep discounts to move them off the lot. I suppose the capitalist supply and demand only counts if the dealers are making a profit. I have a suspicion that there are forces at work driving the low demand not covered in the video.
@@russellkeeling4387 You will not be able to buy a new ice in 20 years cause the costs are exploding and the manufacturers will shut down the plants sooner than later. We can see it already cause the plans to convert the former ice ones are gaining speed. no one is developing any new ice engine, not even v12 or v8 so I guess you will need to buy old stuff or a bicycle , maybe motorbike even though there the same is happening. people here are no longer accepting the noise of ice cars and the additional emissions from the brakes and dust from the tyres, so ice will be dead sooner or later while ev tech will see big progress in range and cost.
@@typxxilps You do know that the tires on EV wear out much faster than those on ICE vehicles thus the pollution from the tires on EV is more of a problem than on ICE
No bailouts for the auto industry. Tell the auto industry and their supporters in Congress don't even think of asking for a bailout. Not again. Never again.
Tesla did pay all their loan money from the government back. And I am not a Tesla fan and I am not a fan of EVs. One can google it, but you can't bring the link into the conversation anymore.
@@curiousgeorge1940 I had to recheck onto this. I googled this subject, and GM paid back certain portions and the other parts GM paid back in stock options. CZcams no longer allows people to bring the links into the conversation.
I have owned an EV for nearly two years. The main problem I have with it is the fluctuation and depreciation of range from full charge. It’s hard to trust the numbers when you are doing long distance driving. The anxiety is real because the distance travelled doesn’t reliably reflect the numbers being shown in the car. There are too many factors that affects the battery range aside from distance. Outside temperatures particularly in the height winter and summer drastically affects the range. I think EVs are only beneficial in city driving where breathable air quality is important particularly in an urban environment. It shouldn’t be marketed as an all around do it all car because it’s not. Like towing for example.😅
I Agree the EV's are Great little Commuter Cars at best, just to go back and forth to work and run short errands. However the Automobile like General Motors manufacture MASSIVE EV's with Huge Battery Pack Modules and weigh 4 -5 tons? What are they Thinking?
@@frankkerze9608 They’re thinking that They need to sell expensive cars for the larger markup, just like with ICEVs. But you can buy a 3ton Equinox EV. Or a Chevy Bolt at 1.8 tons.
@@HarrythehunI would rather not mention the brand’s name because it wouldn’t be fair for them. It is a trusted brand but I think it’s not their fault. It’s the lithium ion battery technology that by nature is sensitive to temperature changes and is a fire hazard as well. My EV has had 2 fire hazard recalls already and I’ve had enough. I went to several car dealerships just to have it traded in and nobody is willing to accept it. Finally after days of looking one I have managed to replaced it with an ICE. I guess I will have to wait for hydrogen cars as my next upgrade. Definitely not EV because it’s giving me problems that I haven’t experienced in my years of motoring.
@@alias19 You're forgetting about the government regulations that are forcing them to add EV's to their lineups, so they can continue selling ICE cars and trucks. It's kind of like carbon credits. If Ford can't get the MPG rating any lower on their F-150, then they have to offer an electric version to "offset" their lineup's mpg rating. It makes no sense, but that's Government for you.
When i looked at a lot of electric vehicles, every single one of them had between 20-30% markup. I have zero wonder why they aren't selling well. GREED is taking over.
They are being marked up because of the high demand. Despite the video creator's claim, sales are exceptionally strong and the oil lobby (who funded this video) is panicking.
Dealers know ,”the BIG GUY” will continue,or even raise the rebate,credits ,shameless promotion of these vehicles. Also the monies the government is pouring into charging stations. If these vehicles,can’t support themselves, they should not be sponsored by folks that will never be able to afford them. Same reason the government should not create yacht clubs ! Subsidies for electric boats . Pickings winners and losers at a cost to all.
I agree, it’s ridiculous, the markups these dealerships are charging. Which is exactly why, after all of my research for the past three years, I’m leaning towards Tesla or Rivian. It’s on their website the price, the specs, everything… That’s the price, take it or leave it, no haggling, that’s exactly the way it should be! I’m not ready to buy just yet, but hopefully at some point this year, and it comes down to those two brands for me. The ease of purchasing from either one of these companies makes it a no-brainer. I honestly don’t have four hours to spend going back-and-forth back-and-forth at a traditional car dealership just to purchase a vehicle, there’s absolutely no reason for this to ever happen I’m so done with regular car dealerships.
I don’t understand how all these manufacturers failed to conduct a complete market survey before investing billions in inventory they cant sell-there is also a matter of affordability 80-90% of household wouldn’t qualify to finance them
There are surveys. People want EVs, and in 5 years prospective buyers are more likely to opt for an EV than an ICEv if the supply of good vehicles is sufficient. That's already happening in places outside of the US. The problem is that legacy auto EVs are not very good despite being overpriced, even before dealer middlemen mark them up. No one wants those, but legacy automakers have to try to get it right anyway or they're just going to be going bankrupt even faster when everyone else leaves their ICE vehicles behind.
The government is the problem. It does not care about "market forces". Don't be surprised if some of these car companies go under from running their business by government decree.
They wanted the government handout from the green new deal aka our tax dollars. What happens when government tries to force technology thats not ready.
Not all we’re willing now. U.S. government was mandating car manufacturers to start manufacturing EVs. This is sort of like forcing a Bible printing company to print Qurans. Yes, some jumped into the pool with both feet, Ford comes to mind, but not all. I’m not at all convinced on EVs for all the logical reasons. EVs are expensive, take long to charge depending, many don’t reach mileage ratings let alone when cold or very hot weather. Some have electric design flaws, are not as reliable as thought, and are to expensive to replace the battery pack, $30,000 after 8 to 10 years, what???! Then there is the fire issue. I think a lady in FL had a #10 Mercedes given to her as a loner while her gas car was being repaired at the dealer. Was a brand new EV. She put it in her garage to charge overnight and the thing short circuited, caught fire, and burned her house down. She told the local news she lost everything. Hmmm, losing everything just to charge a loner EV in one’s garage? Nahhh, not me. I’ll keep my boring perfected gas car. It’s a 2011 Honda CRV EX-L and runs great. Well EV cultists, good luck!🤔🔥🥳🤦🏻♂️🙌🏻
The car companies seemingly don't know what the consumers want, and the dealer markups are just incredible. everyone has to get money yeah, but as if im going to buy a basic electric car for the price of one that is gas powered and is premium.
Both houses & cars have become too expensive for most Americans these days, most especially for single people and/or single-income households. Even a lot of 2 income households can't afford them.
The industry has driven prices too high for most families. The solution is for prices to align with budgets, even if it means a market correction. The wisest thing that should be on everyone mind currently should be to invest in different streams of income that doesn't depend on the govt.
Especially with the current economic crisis around the word. This is still a good time to invest in Gold, silver and digital currencies(BTC, ETH, XRP…….
What if you don't know how to trade any of these? I mean, see your point some people have the money and are willing to invest, the question is where to.
I bought a new Kia Niro EV EX Premium in Dec 2020 to get $7,500 tax credit, effectively lowering net price to ~$35K with dealer sale price & military discount. Later bought a used 2021 Tesla Model S Performance with FSD purchased + other options, with 19K mileage in Mar 2023 from a private party. Niro has been great, now with 18K miles, no problems, with range > advertised at ~250 mi & no discernible degradation at this point. Tesla had sensor go out, preventing FSD from engaging, but was fixed under warranty. Tesla mileage now ~25K with only 5% battery degradation. With home wall charger installed (state of VA gave partial tax credit), have only charged Kia twice outside home & Tesla twice (including drive home from NY after purchase). I still own an old Chevy pickup truck for occasional hauling items too big for either car, but only buy gas for it every 2-3 months. May eventually buy EV pickup but need is not that great. Regarding others' comments on range, I keep both cars charged between 20-80% range. Kia Niro has twice gotten down to 2% (daughter) & 3% (me) but range kept extending as car automatically started shutting down systems to extend range & got us home safely.
These days there are so many Supercharger stations that getting real low on charge is because of the driver not paying attention, like not looking at the gas gauge on an ICE vehicle. There are a few dead zones with SC stations but with some planning no problem except for rare circumstances., usually destination chargers at hotels, etc. can be planned for.
I've heard rumblings about EV insurance rates and simple fender bender body shop repair rates being higher for some brands. $15-$20k or more for a new battery doesn't sound like fun either.
right, soon, there will be affordable chinese EVs for sale in the US which will blow everything else away, and then, bye bye legacy automakers. but of course there will be xenophobia and nationalism to fight it, and lawmakers making legislation so they can't compete fairly. so much for the beloved so called free market capitalism, bullshit.
The focus on high-end, fancy models completely dismissed the need for affordable transportation the average folks are looking to buy. EVs are selling well in Europe and Asia because their lineup includes lots of entry and economy models that people can afford.
I wonder if in Europe the dealers are maybe not a problem, as they are here. If not, and cars are still a business and not a racket, that might help account for the difference, too. Look at the complaints about dealer add ons and markups, especially Ford, apparently (but Ford has a long tradition of dishonest dealers--going back to the 1950's.)
@@shaystern2453 a dealer makes a higher margin on luxury cars, but they sell cheaper cars at a higher volume. The truth is though that most people who want EVs want a Tesla. That’s the dealerships biggest issue that they are fighting for their small piece of about 40% of a small but growing market.
There is a reason for that. Companies want to make money on EVs and early days they don't have the ability to produce cheap EVs. That was Tesla's game plan. Come out with the roadster, then the S and X to pay for the scale required for the model 3 & Y. Everyone is following that except the Chinese who are state backed. In addition, even when a cheap EV comes around (the Leaf), Americans don't want it. So I wouldn't lay all the blame on "greedy auto companies". If America allows the import of Chinese EVs, it will be game over for all but Tesla and Rivian. The legacy US auto makers just can't compete with the likes of BYD.
I guess I'm pretty fortunate, I recently bought a Chevy Bolt EV and it was right at MSRP and it's a great little car. Drives beautifully, it's comfortable, premium sound system, heated seats and steering wheel, plenty of safety features, and about 260 miles per charge. The obvious downside is that it has rather slow charging, but we have no intention of taking it more than 200 miles away - we still have an aging ICE car that would be fine for that if the need arises. We're very happy with the Bolt.
Here in the UK there are hundreds of thousands - maybe millions - of homes in towns and cities that front direct onto the street and have no garage or vehicle pull-in. That makes it virtually impossible for people living in those homes to charge an EV overnight. Seems to me a pretty big obstacle to their acceptance - which is why used ICE car values will skyrocket once the ban on new sales hits in a mere dozen years' time..
When the truth comes out about how dangerous it is to charge an aging EV, you won't want one inside your garage. They should be charged at a post 50 ft away from the house.
In the United States, there are millions of people that live in apartment complexes that have no electrical hookups near their vehicles. An electrical hookup requires a meter which is about a $10,000 upgrade to the parking lot. The customer would have to pay that out of their own pocket. And that would become a leasehold improvement that stays with the property, not with the owner.
@@drunvert This only a concern now. 2035 is not that close, plenty of time to get the infrastructure in place for the average consumer. In Michigan they are testing roads that charge electric vehicles. This is not the crisis you BELIEVE it is.
Yeah because for some reason Tesla Model 3 and Y continue to fly off the shelves. Tesla Model Y is the best selling car in the world. Not best selling EV but the best selling car period.
@@MikesProjectsandHobbies In deed - In Denmark alone Tesla Model Y just broke a 37 year old sales record (Opel Kadett) in year 2023 which hasn't ended yet. Tesla represent > 12% of all cars sold in Denmark Y2023. Well done US, Tesla and Elon Musk!!!!!
I remember shopping for both a Lyriq and a Mach-E a year ago. Couldn’t find a dealer that was willing to sell it without insane markups lol. Today, the same dealers can’t sell the same vehicles even with insane discounts. Went with a C8 and Macan T instead.
No truer words were ever spoken!!! These greedy dealers are getting what they deserve. I've been look to by an EV for the past couple of years and I refused to overpay just to say I have one. Now lets wait until they have to sell at that insane discount!!!
@@PatrickPeel also the resell value of the Mach-E (and EVs in general) has dropped dramatically after a little over a year especially after news of Hertz dumping its Tesla fleet and Tesla slashing prices on brand new vehicles! We went from a 2012 Prius and Prius c to our new daily driven ICE vehicles with zero regrets. Went on a 1,700 mile roadtrip in the Macan with absolutely no inconvenience or annoyances. We kept our Prius’s tho, mainly to transport our Dobermans.
Current expensive unaffordable electric vehicles are made for self righteous environmental snobs that think they're better than the rest of us and like to show off their superior high-class standards for environmental concerns in our face. They like to remind us why they are better than us! That is the truth!
@@johnn17golf They also depreciate over 40% in the first year. I would not buy any vehicle that depreciates that much regardless of make and model period. If I were to buy electric car it would definitely be a Lucid, unfortunately it's way outside my budget. At least Lucid Air holds its resale value much better than any EQE.
@@Seenoevilspeaknoevilhearnoevil Kinda like early PCs did not hold value well, because the tech was advancing so fast and the PCs on sale were higher end. As more come on market, especially lower end EVs, the resale value will catch up fast and it will be ICE resale values that will plummet.
As an apartment dweller who wouldn't be able to charge at home, EVs make no economic sense since fast-charging all of the time is as expensive as gasoline, is likely to cause premature battery failure, takes 10X longer for half the range and costs 10-20k$ more up-front.
@@Poepad 40 MPGs for a hybrid sounds horrible: my 2011 Focus can hit 43 highway MPGs doing a Montreal-Ottawa roundtrip when I don't get stuck in traffic for more than a few minutes and weather is nice. A 10 years old Prius with refurbished battery pack can hit 60+ city MPGs. Me, I'd rather wait for Na-ion batteries to become more widespread and have a hybrid that uses a completely independent range-extending generator instead of clunky hybrid transmissions. At the rate motor/generator designs are improving, this will likely be more efficient, cheaper and more reliable quite soon if it isn't already.
I've seen various auto based channels that have demonstrated that electric is more expensive than gasoline, plus refueling time is a few minutes instead of a few hours - assuming you can find an operating charger station. Once account of a man trying to drive an EV on a trip detailed how he had to go to three different EV charging platforms before finding ones that were functional, with a long line of their Exploding Vehicles waiting in line. He ended up renting a reliable ICE vehicle to complete his trip. No word if that EV spontaneously combusted later on.
@@teardowndan5364 A Geo Metro back in the 90's got better than 40MPG's. I was watching Kilmer show the repair of a hybrid, where an $80 component that had to be replaced cost $2000 because it was only accessible by removing the battery. Hybrids are better than any EV tho, even Tesla (sorry Tesla cultists). EV buyers are poorly informed and/or virtue/status signaling fools until proven otherwise. They are ALL instant 5000° F death traps waiting to happen. Electric cars have existed for over 125 years, starting from the very beginning of horseless carriages. If the battery tech was truly sufficient, there would be no need for all of the subsidies and rebates paid for by the taxpayers.
It’s the same situation in singapore. Dealer that only have EV available for fighting for market share, while dealers that have both ICE/hybrid and EV are pricing their EV higher and complain that EV are too expensive to sell
i've been driving my EV6 for 2 years and I love it. No major issues. I drive it everywhere including road trips. EA stations can be a hassle but i only really use them a couple times per year. 99% of my charging is in my garage. The only maintenance has been one cabin air filter. Everyone who rides in it says "I can't believe how smooth and powerful it is".
My family would love an EV, but areas we frequently travel to are lacking infrastructure to support an EV. Besides, most EVs are priced out of our budget.
Have you checked apps or websites for charging locations For example, Tesla Supercharger. charge places are not like gas stations they can significantly more Hidden
In the case of the Lightning, Ford has made the mistake of restricting the extended range battery in the Pro model to fleet sales only. They are also focusing on the high end Lariat and Platinum trims. People shopping for a truck in that price range want a truck that is equipped EXACTLY as they wish. Ford has 3000 dealers in the US, so 9000 trucks works out to 3 per dealership. There is not much likelihood that with only three units that one is going to have the trim level, options, and color a buyer wants. My local dealer has exactly ONE on hand compared to over 60 regular F150's. It's a Platinum with a MSRP close to 100K. Not many buyers at that price.
you don't know what hell you're talking about. models are not allocated evenly at any car company. models are allocated to markets they are likely to sell. there's no point in shipping a massive amount of sports cars to Nome Alaska where they get a massive amount snow. nobody wants them there.
An EV truck makes as much sense as a 2WD truck. NOBODY wants either! It's so disappointing that Ford ever jumped aboard the EV train to nowhere. ALL auto makers could have, and should have said F-you to Obiden and his stupid religion of climate change. Watch one video of an EV fire, and you'll immediately know the EV push had nothing to do with saving the planet. It had, and has, everything to do with Obiden's ties to Chinese money.
the gas models are also over priced 60K-100k + Lots of gas powered pickup trucks siting on the lots from ford, chevy, gmc, dodge & toyota in the USA. The whole "luxury" thing with pickup's is an insane idea ✔✔ They are mainly WORK vehicles, NOT SUV toys.
Got the f150 lightning. It's awesome. I tried the truck. I asked questions to real owners and finally decided to get one and I love it. Don't let anyone decide for you. Get real info. I never thought of getting one and here I am. No regrets.
@@xynakasha3393 ICVs burn 61 times more often per 100,000 Vs than EVs. They’re more likely to hurt & kill people when they do burn. Why are you spreading lies about EVs? Job or sick hobby?
I would consider only a hybrid and no 100% EV as no one mentions with all accessories running what the mileage would be diminished to... Heater in winter, AC in summer , stereo blaring and what is life of the batteries and what is replacement cost ? Too many questions unanswered right now...
i've seen in a video recently that heating and cooling of a modern EV does little to nothing to affect its range. remember, u have batteries moving a massive amount of weight, a vehicle and its occupants, the heating and cooling are insignificant, on modern EVs, in the past heating did affect range.
Why would you want a hybrid? They even have more incomprehensible problems than EVs. And they are harder to fix than a pure ICE car, and will have a shorter lifespan, etc.
You can find all your answers online… Driving uses majority of your battery range. And do not get a hybrid. Hybrids are not comparable to EVs, and are not a viable long term solution for decarbonization.
12/4/23...DANGER OF CATCHING ON FIRE JUST DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD... DANGER OF HOME/APT/CONDO CATCHING ON FIRE @ CHARGER... TIME TO PLUG IN + WAIT + WAIT + WAIT TO CHARGE....
@@eileeneclark9011 FACTS: combustion engine vehicles catch on fire much more than EVs, you're just being influenced by disinformation by the massive fossil fuel industry who see EVs as a threat, and they're the biggest and most powerful forces on the earth right now. please do your research. EVs are in fact the safest vehicles you could own, by far.
@@teklifeI refuse to spend 50K 60K 70K on some junk EV that will blow up when Im diving it down the road. The rest of us happen to prefer our gasoline vehicles. So you drive the EV junk. And leave us alone and stop trying to make us feel as if our choices and opinions are wrong. Just because we don't want the EV junk
One day I'll have an electric vehicle but the prices are too damn high. I was one of the people who had a reservation for the Lightning and when it was time to order it was over $80,000. I wasn't paying that !
Pricing is the elephant in the room! $60-$80K can be spent much more advantageously. After owning 2 EVs I've switched to PHEVs; the best of both worlds.
Even it a few ICE are cheaper to buy they are much more expensive to own with maintenance gas and much higher rates of depreciation. EV do not need any maintenance before the ICE car is replaced due to being worn out. Total cost of ownership of a Tesla is a small fraction of the cost of ICE over its limited life span. The EV can be passed down in your will and still not need any maintenance in 10-15 years. Batteries are good for 1.5 to 3 million miles. before losing about 10% of their range. Fleet managers people who understand total cost of ownership would get fired it they did not focus on getting EVs for their fleets,
You missed the Audi Etron. I read that Audi slashed the lease cost by $50,000!! I rented one for a 160 mile round trip because I didn't want to wait over an hour for an ICE vehicle. The range showed 254 miles when I left the rental company lot. After 60 miles, it dropped by over 100 miles. I had range anxiety for the remainder of the trip. There's a long way to go to make these appealing in the US market, plus, it still feels like a very large golf cart in a car body.
That's why the car should recommend places to charge along the way. using an electric car is different, you probably have to use the navigator. How well it works is another matter. In the worst case, you might have the navigator give you the wrong information and direct you to the wrong places. look at Electric Car Reviews There are several on CZcams and probably other places that do
@1flash3571 My feelings as well. The video doesn't point out that Tesla isn't having trouble selling any of its cars so EV sales haven't crashed for all manufacturers.
That is about right. Any EVs including Tesla (I own Tesla model Y) will run 2/3 of the range. It means that if you want to drive 200 miles trip, you have to charge 300 miles. 330 miles long range model Y will be able to go a little more than 200 miles.
Here in the UK on Auto Trader the difference in price from low to high for the Jaguar I-Pace is quite ridiculous. At the cheap end there is a 2020 car with 88,000 miles for £17,490 and at the other end of the scale there is one for £86,630. This is for more or less the same model. Personally I wouldn't have either of them. I'll stick with my turbo diesel Juke and not get range anxiety and knowing that when the temperature drops below -5 my car will start, run and get me to my destination regardless of how far it is. And what's more, I will get there sooner than an electric car of the same power. Here's a quick tip for all you car manufacturers out there. 1. Build cars that people want. 2. Create a charging infrastructure that is common and reliable (like the Supercharger network) 3. Build small and cheap as not everyone can afford vehicles that cost £30K+. It's no wonder is it really that, manufacturers build these ridiculous machines that cost up to and over £100K+ and can't sell them. Personally I think it serves them right for not listening to the consumers...................
I heard from a Hyundai sales person, years ago now, when the Hyundai Kona EV first came out, that dealership sales people don't like selling EVs because there is little to no commission on selling EVs because most auto makers are selling EVs at a loss, leaving nothing for commissions. Makes sense to me. The only way EVs other than Tesla will see higher sales is if the manufacturers sell directly to the public.
I heard it was because dealerships thrive on service centres, and EVs don’t need much maintenance and fewer parts to repair. I think that’s why Hyundai is pushing for frequent maintenance. They still want you to do every 6 months PLUS more conductivity fluid change every 60k which costs $300-900! Tesla says their coolant doesn’t need changing for the life of the vehicle.
@@balloney2175 Wrong view! This writer is a senior citizen, and I bought an EV-- A USED EV for the price of a gas car. The opinion is one sided YES, too many EVs are expensive, but used EVs are competitive. History noted; the FIRST gas cars were expensive, about a years pay for a blue collar worker. In a 'few years' they were affordable for all. Economics are the same in this society, the anti EV jerks and their noise, notwithstanding
@@harriettanthony7352 Another factor is lack of stops for refueling. Don't get me wrong, I want one myself but it is more jerky not being able to run cuz I can't find a station nearby.
@@balloney2175 Not sure where you live. After 20,000 including a couple of long road trips (600 - 1,000 each), I have never had an issue finding a charge station There are great apps that will help you locate changing stations and plan stops for charging. Teslas shows all the near by changing locations, Tesla and non-Tesla. For the Tesla locations, it indicates how open (available) stalls there are. There is a $7,500 federal tax credit for select vehicles, plus some states, counties, and electric providers have rebates/ credits. They will take the $7,500 off the cost of the vehicle so you don't have to wait for the tax credit
IN CANADA COST TO PUT CHARGER IN MY HOME Non-Standard Installation Cost: Labour & Material Installation Cost $3,831.80 Permit Cost $120.00 GM Canada Non-Standard Installation Credit ($1,500.00) Tax $318.73 Balance owed (Credit Card payment due): $2,770.53 incl. tax. Also ordering the charging unit module19.2 KW AC from GM for $1,795.00 So overall this will cost $5,626.81 Love the look of the Lyriq ...the lyric is not selling they have a huge inventory they are going to give big rebates to move these lyrics.
4:39 Misconception that filling up at the gas station is quicker than not going to the gas station. I've owned an ev going on 8 years and on an annual basis EV's save more time plus I never do oil changes an even bigger time saver.
As a matter of fact, Ford had record sales of the F-150 Lightning in November 2023. TFL Truck drove the Lightning from Colorado to Alaska and back. They called it "the best truck Ford has ever made."
Actually, likely the opposite. At this moment in time, ironically, the USA is in the unusual position of having over-capacity on the National Grid. In any case, costs tend to drop with scaling, not increase. If we suddenly adopted EV's as the ONLY road transport, the demand on the grid would rocket some 30%. However, back in reality we won't see EV domination for decades and that gives the US Government plenty of time to invest in solar farms similar to the Noor complexes in Morocco. These plants are capable of operating almost 24 hours a day using salt reservoirs for night time operation. Both in Australia and Morocco they are also laying down power cables so they can sell their power overseas (Morocco are installing power lines to Scotland right now). America is populated by Luddites and I as a consequence we can expect to lose any semblance of scientific and engineering dominance within the next decade. In many markets, it's already happened.
"Roped in." I take it you are not an EV fan ;-) We got solar for the office (charge for very little) and will have solar for the house soon. So... I can not understand why Americans are fighting to keep Saudi (Bin Laden) oil. Keep our money in America with American power companies and American Electricians.
Currently driving a Cadillac Lyriq and have put 15,000 miles on it. It is my 5th electric vehicle. It was one of the first couple of hundred built and had many problems at the start but has been completely problem free for 6 months after the dealer finally overcame the issues. It is a great vehicle and I am glad I bought it. I also considered getting a Blazer EV as a second car but was blown away by the MSRP that was more than the Lyriq. Overpriced by at least $12K. These will need big price cut/rebates to sell them.
Tesla doesn't sell through franchised dealers so there aren't any of their cars sitting on lots. It's an unfare comparison and they are one car company that isn't having trouble selling.
yep, inventory from car dealers that commission up above MSRP, when everyone knows buying by internet is much cheaper and trustworthy. The numbers in this video reflect customers' choices and do not reflect the reality of EV sales.
@@youxkio The dealer based brands are generally bad EVs but the lack of sales of those lackluster cars is greatly made worse by the fact the dealing with dealerships is one of the most hated experiences of ones life. You can't even buy a car from deal for MSRP, they jack the prices up as "Additional Profit" by 20-40%
I currently drive a 2017 Chevy Bolt, which i bought for only $15k. My wife drives a 2022 Chevy Bolt, which we bought new for $29k. We have both taken long trips with our cars, going 700+ miles. We plan our trips, selecting where we'll stop to charge, and what we'll do while the car is charging. Last time, we stopped at a shopping mall, and shopped while the car charged. Our 2nd stop was at a car dealership, so the charge was FREE. We had a meal while charging there. We live in the northeastern U.S., so there are places to charge, but not enough of them. More infrastructure is being planned and built, so this will only improve over time.
That anyone is mental enough to walk into a dealership in the states for any Ford products right now just blows me away. Regardless of it being EV or ICE
Way out of my price range, even the leaf which is 30K, my car and truck don't even come close to that. Maybe worth 10K together on a good day . That's where I'm at, but they are paid for and run great.
@@ickster23 I suppose if you have a backup car,if you have a very short commute,if you’re in an area where everything is close in proximity maybe it would be ok.If you’re imagining ownership is reliable and inexpensive and resale doesn’t matter to you maybe then.EV’s might not be bad if you couldn’t find a decent ICE vehicle.But if you think you’re saving the environment you’re deceiving yourself.
Without a reliable charging network...you'd be silly to buy an EV outside of a Tesla! Building the Supercharger network alongside the vehicle was a genius move by Tesla!
It's why Ford is providing free adapters with its EVs for maximum charger compatibility, although I think the superchargers still only work with Teslas. Yes, Tesla was smart, as theirs becomes the standard and another profit center for Tesla (since they sell the electricity at a "healthy" markup over what they pay for it.)
The EV market is already dominated bij the Chinese and Korean brands. Only Tesla can compete with these. The German cars are built better than Tesla but too expensive, like everything in Europe.
I got kona ev from Colorado for $30k with 280 miles range I still have my dodge ram but with $ 6-7 gallon ( cali)I can't afford to drive it /$10k a year for diesel .EV free charge for 2 years from Hyundai I love it, it works 4me
You give the "days supply" which is of course great, but some of the dealers have one or two EV's, and that still is about a 100 to 150 day supply!😮 RIP Jaguar and Ford.
I don't understand why I have to pay double the price for an electric car? And if the battery is gone, $50 000 for a new battery?! At that cost I can buy two new gasoline cars :)
My local ford lot has 3 e transits, 7 mach Es and 6 lightnings. Im thinking of getting rid of my gas pig and going for a test drive in an E Transit for work. I look forward to never going to a gas station again.
and you're going to die of old age, sitting in your EV waiting for just an opportunity to charge. It takes me 3 mins. to gas up my ICE car......and I bought an ice cream as well.
your voice is so good that it sounds like someone in china or india hired you as a voice over. You should probably brand this channel by just being yourself, might be a stronger lane for you. Pretty interesting video, well written and professional. Useful to point out some "do not buy" cars. I'm not sure which EV's are real "do not buys" and which are just ugly stepsisters of the teslas. There might be some ugly stepsisters that are okay to buy depending on discounts. That's a hard sell nowadays because the lower priced Teslas and used Teslas are just generally so much better than the other electric vehicles.
Already have one and love it practically no maintenance cost and at highway speed I get 200 plus miles once you figure out this vehicle is the answer to short to medium trips at very low cost you’ll love your electric car plus the torque and the it so quiet . Chevy bolt driver for 3 yrs .
That's the thing when you have one you can't imagine going back. notice how this list btw is all very expensive EVs? That's fairly typical for luxury cars to to sell slowly. Automakers thought demand for cars would just keep raging.. obviously wrong.
The manufacturers have missed the biggest, most important segment who would love to buy EVs…Small businesses and contractors. A lot of us drive a LOT of local trips. Instead, they concentrated on the fully loaded, luxury versions. Ford released a Contractor oriented Lightning…its sold out for a year. The high ticket luxury versions, they can’t sell them. Chevy released a $100,000+ version of the Silverado. Meantime the Contractor grade, high towing capacity $60,000 version I want to purchase is nowhere in sight. So, I bought a Niro EV for estimates, running around for supplies and doing small jobs. I drive it all the time. If they had released the Silverado Contractor version, I would have traded the Ram Diesel in and bought that instead. Not waiting a year for the Contractor lightning, especially when it can’t tow my 14,000 lb dump trailer. Business use is where the market is and the Manufacturers have blinders on.
The longer they sit the more compromised their battery becomes. Then by the time you get it the battery will not take a full charge and if it does lookout big fire hazard.
I saw 2 You Tube videos of people who purchased EV's, both of them had to replace the batteries, which were not covered by warranty. One of them bought the car new 2 years ago and the replacement cost for the battery was $60,000, more than what he paid for the car when new. I have no intention of buying an EV until I absolutely have to.
Instead of phasing out the Leaf, they should consider using LFP batteries to power it and continue selling the car. They already have the necessary tooling manufactured for production, so they ought to just make sensible upgrades and benefit from economies of scale to increase their profits.
Nissan LEAF really only had 2 problems - unregulated battery temperatures and Chademo. Nissan had many years of refreshes but refused to do anything about both problems and only did cosmetic changes. To put this into perspective, most of the parts in the latest LEAF can be fitted into the original 2010 LEAF and still work.
That’s right! California is a great place to live! My Sister has a Tesler and she lives in TN. We had a Mercedes and it cost 400.00 dollars for gas . Now we pay 50 a month to charge our car. The car pays for its self.
I'm a field tech and we have company cars, Currently we drive Ford Escape hybrids and get 580 miles on a fill up. The company wanted to switch to Tesla Model 3's the guys that got them as a test run HATED them... Range issues, having to bring and extension cord to every customer site to charge the car. Not being able to find hotels that have charging stations when on the road overnight.
@@srt4b What they're saying is that with a gasoline car, they didn't have to even think about it because there are so many gas stations even in rural areas. With an EV your strategy is always around finding a charger when you can afford the downtime.
Notice that virtually all the ads for EV's show lots of green trees in the surroundings - no snow drifts and icy roads. So you can get 300 miles per charge in hot weather but not in Minniapolis in January. Your lucky if your charger works at all. How far will your EV go at -10F? My next vehicle will be something more I can rely on without worry - like the proven internal combustion engine vehicle.
Just saw a news story about a Mercedes EQE that was a loaner while the owner's Mercedes was in the shop (story didn't specify if the owner's car was EV or ICE). The car was parked in the garage, not being charged, just parked. It burst into flames, and by the time it was out, the home was, according to the owner, a total loss of $1 million (although frankly it didn't look like a million dollar house to me.) Apparently, there was a recall on that model for a battery malfunction warning light failure, and it' hadn't been applied. If the owner's own car--the one in the shop--was an ICE model, and the dealer said, "Here, try this EQE. It drives like a dream," there would be at least a bit of irony. I know these EV fires are rare, as are the cases of $40,000 for replacing a battery pack, but they get a lot of press, and both are an indication of one thing: Regardless of brand, all EVs are still Version ONE of a new technology, and as long as lithium-ion liquid battery packs are the power source they'll still be version one. I think even the solid-state lithium-ion will only be version 1.5. Add to that the lack of sufficient electricity generation capacity, and we have trouble my friend.
The Bolt is flying off the lots. GM had planned to stop production by now. Due to surging demand, GM has decided to redesign it instead. I'd gladly buy another.
I don’t have an EV and found the Bolt and Volt interesting but I haven’t seen very many of either. I would probably go with the hybrid for now. Good luck.
@@jeffreyhurst9552 Thank you for your kind words. The weather just turned cold which shortened our range, but the Bolt still meets our needs. We seldom drive 100 miles in a day and like to break up longer drives. The car just suits us, but as it says in the ads, your milage may vary.
This is why I’m still buying Tesla stock on every dip. I first started buying Tesla stock in 2015. Made over 10X my investment so far. Tesla sells more EVs because they are worth every penny. Also, they have the charging infrastructure to support long distance driving.
@@kbenti I guess you are not aware of how Tesla works, everything is built in-house including the latest batteries. There are practically no 2nd or 3rd party suppliers, hence the price drop where they still make money on each vehicle. Resale value of any car can drop once you pull out of the dealership lot after signing the papers, drive a new car home then change your mind very next day and let's see if you can recoup what you've paid for from the dealership or selling privately.
@@inciwillard991 net profit of $1.9 billion from July through September, a 44 percent drop from the $3.3 billion Tesla made in the same three-month period a year earlier. 2020 was the first time that Tesla turned a full-year profit. They had to drop the price because there are so many better, cheaper alternatives, they are over priced, poorly built , basic cars that are about 20 years behind in design. "There are practically no 2nd or 3rd party suppliers" the largest most costly part of an EV is the battery and they are made by Panasonic and LG in the Tesla. I`m guessing you are part of the Musk cult ?
@@kbenti means you have no idea about Tesla. Because from 2008 Elon Musk said this, about mass production, lower prices etc. The clip is here on, CZcams. Hear him saying the goal is to get mass-production EVs with lower prices, starting with premium car prices... many would like to buy a Mercedes. But the costs associated with this are unsustainable for most of us... I would not buy a Mercedes just to be a target - "this dude has money, get him!"...
@@kbenti He stated he's buying the stock. Yes, Tesla has dropped their prices but their margins are still positive. I believe they want more people to purchase at lower prices to drive out competition. By the way...check resale value on any car...they go down. If you're buying vehicles for investment purposes, good luck. I purchased my MYLR for 51k...still looks to be selling new at 51k, I'm not planning to sell any time soon so why should I worry about depreciation on my vehicle? I pay more than $7500 in federal taxes so I'll be able to take advantage of the full tax credit this year. I already know it's going to depreciate because it's now considered "used".
I currently own one and is the best decision ever. It's not for everyone, but it fits my needs. Less moving parts means less maintenance and no gas expense. Is not wander whay the price of a ev is higher.
If you take all the unsold ev and times the value of each one and figured how much it is costing dealers to carry the interest on them why would they make any more of them. At some point they will need to sell them just to stop paying the interest on them which I think is a lot of money. Thank you Ben
Trade one pollutant for another. Lithium EV batteries are highly toxic to people and our environment, a constant fire danger adding one more thing to an ready polluted environment . EMF are another concern.
Stop lying to yourself. We know better. EV batteries are NOT toxic unless you're EATING them. Your ICE vehicles poison you EVERY Time you start the engine. EV batteries can be recycled or re-used at the end of life. Gasoline just keeps burning. No recycling. Almost 200,000 ICE Vehicles BURN and catch on FIRE every year. EVs...not very many. So stop the BIG OIL shilling...and stop poisoning the rest of us if you don't mind poisoning yourself and your family.
I bought a Lyriq AWD Luxury 3. I love it. Leased it for 3 years. The reality is: the XT4, XT5 and XT6 are better values unless you have a home charger , work charger and don't take road trips.
I wonder if CarEdge is happy that you're using their research. I also wonder if the slow EV sales have more to do with the outrageous prices than anything else.
The MDS for some gas cars is over a year. It's a general slow down on all new vehicle sales because the Corpos and dealerships are gouging customers with "market adjustments" etc. My next vehicle will be an ev, but not a new one. I buy 1 year old and save 30% off the price.
The high cost of a replacement battery could kill resale value. The extended range battery for a Ford Lightning is $32,000. If the battery died you would have to fork out the cash or possibly take a huge loss selling it if the vehicle is out of warranty. Add in the range depreciation and it makes it worse.
@@gamingwitharlen2267 EVs lose about 2-3% of range per year. Gas engines are much cheaper to replace as well. Buying a used ICE car will less than 100k miles is still expensive . EV resale value is terrible even with low mileage.
@@gamingwitharlen2267 if you take care of an ICE vehicle they will last a long time. My wife and I buy new cars every 10 years (one new car every 5 years) and they have all gone over well over 100K and I get a decent trade in too. But we buy Toyotas...
The biggest contributor to failure in sales of these EV is the price of these cars! The Chevy Bolt seems to be selling because of the price is what most people can afford, especially coming out of a pandemic! Even lots of gas cars aren’t selling as well as they should because of the price! Tesla sells very well in Northern California because of price reductions and rebates! Time tested support is big plus for buyers!
A big part of the California EV are factors. The artificially high cost of gasoline. High fuel taxes. State future EV mandates. Federal and State income tax breaks for EV buyers. California only car smog testing standards that pushes otherwise reliable older cars off the road. Long commutes to work because of high housing costs pricing people of home closer to work. And more…
In the rang numbers, they never factor in accessories on like A/C or heaters plus headlights and sound systems, it all ads up. I live in Canada and our winters are cold and long, these EVs are only good (barely) for short commutes in the big cities.
I'm curious which EV you own that gets such poor range. Or maybe you're just repeating things you've heard and don't really know what you're talking about? Range is hurt by cold, no doubt. But, it isn't only good for "short" commutes in the big cities. I live in the northern US and own a Tesla. I regularly make long trips in my Tesla in the winter, no problems. Having said that, I stay along the interstate where there are plenty of Tesla chargers. If I lived in the middle of a rural area without a charging infrastructure, and would have to rely on my home to charge the car, then yes, I'd be limited. Hopefully, we'll someday see a much better charging infrastructure as sales increase.
I have a plug-in hybrid … driving on ELectricity is nice in warm weathers and when I am just driving the car. However in cold weathers the batteries lose half the range. Also I have to drive once or twice a week with a horse trailer. I can never do that with an EV.
I don't want an EV either. But I will be looking at hybrids. Why? Because the engine charges the battery, and the MPG is good. My neighbor has a Mitsubishi Outlander hybrid, and loves it. He gave me a ride, and I may go buy one soon.
you mean dealerships need to stop the stupid "market adjustments" that make a 50k car 100k or more just because its electric and they dont make any money on maintenance.
@@GNMi79 that sounds like a dealership problem, not mine. especially when i can buy a car and have it deliverd in front of my house without even getting off my couch. seems like the dealerships need to reinvest into delivering something that is worth it otherwise they dont deserve to survive. that is how capitalism works.
@@GNMi79 they are not doing that because brands are legally barred from selling direct. Thank the dealerships for making up that law. Tesla sued very hard to be able to sell cars in many states without dealerships. So its not becasue people dont want to do it but because car companies are not legally allowed to do so.
@@GNMi79 because tesla filed millions worth in lawsuits and has a exemption just like rivian. the other car makers are locked in by dealerships for the next decade or so even if the law changed.
It's not the same story everywhere. In Quebec (Canada), EV sales are not following demand. For example 77% of all Mazda MX-30 are sold in Québec. Québec also leads the country in volume, with of 40% of all ZEV registrations in Canada.
I drive a Skoda Enyaq, coming from a diesel SUV (VW Tiguan), I live in Spain. When people ask me how it is to drive an EV I just answer with 2 data: 25k kms per year I've been doing for the last 30 years with diesels cars and 6k kms per year I do with my EV. Why? You can go nowhere, not enough chargers out of the city and if you find one, it takes forever to charge. The Skoda is a marvel to drive but you can simply drive it nowhere! Im only using it to go to work, getting out of the city is always a very stressful experience, always... For me the EV experience is over, my next car: petrol hybrid.
Here in the UK, I think EV's are a bit like smart meters......Good idea at the time but people are waking up to the fact, that if it aint broke don't fix it. I think EV's will eventually come good but currently they make no sense. I've just ordered a "petrol" seat ibiza. Dealer says 6 month wait until delivery. Supply and demand as usual.
It is interesting to note that both the Hyundai Ioniq 5 and EV6, which share the same platform as the GV60, are selling well. However, despite the GV60 being a more aesthetically pleasing vehicle, it appears to have exceeded the price range that most people are willing to pay for it.
Considering price, charging considerations and availability EVs aren't for everyone. I love NY Tesla but don't have monthly payments to look forward to either.
Yeah, I test drove quite a few GV60s, Ioniq 5s, and EV6s and I found them all pretty similar (obviously they share parts suppliers), but ended up getting a GV60 at a liquidation sale for a great price. The GV60 is kind of at an awkward place, priced high enough to invite comparisons to luxury brands (and high-end Teslas) but not established enough to fare very well in those comparisons unless you’re pretty price-discriminating. That is, you have to want the features and the build quality but not badly enough to pay for the competition.
The problem auto makers have is that when someone does a survey about how likely people are to buy an EV, the vast majority of the people who respond that they are likely to buy one are only interested in a Tesla.
The price ford wants for the lightning had me out the door in short order, even though they had three in stock. I expected to pay more for an EV but not that much more. I went for a Hyundai Ionic 5 with a tow package.
I looked at a Ford Mach-E a few months ago.
The dealership added $15,000 to the sticker price as a "market adjustment"!
I laughed all the way out of the showroom.
I also looked at the Ford Mack E a few months back. In Texas, the dealer did everything they could to discourage my interest in electric vehicles in total, and especially the Ford one. He did not know any answers to any of the questions I had and kept offering me gas vehicles, asking why I was interested in electric. He quoted internet references to the electric vehicles being bad for the environment and then advised as they were in such short supply there was a $15k premium over sticker price.
I guess the dealers don't want to sell them. With the over supply you review in this video, you would expect deep discounts to move them off the lot. I suppose the capitalist supply and demand only counts if the dealers are making a profit. I have a suspicion that there are forces at work driving the low demand not covered in the video.
@@darrenpryke6112 Why would anyone want to buy one anyway, dealership or not the technology isn't worth a da*m.
@@russellkeeling4387 Whatever vehicle you’re driving, there’s an EV that outperforms it.
@@russellkeeling4387 You will not be able to buy a new ice in 20 years cause the costs are exploding and the manufacturers will shut down the plants sooner than later. We can see it already cause the plans to convert the former ice ones are gaining speed. no one is developing any new ice engine, not even v12 or v8 so I guess you will need to buy old stuff or a bicycle , maybe motorbike even though there the same is happening.
people here are no longer accepting the noise of ice cars and the additional emissions from the brakes and dust from the tyres, so ice will be dead sooner or later while ev tech will see big progress in range and cost.
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You do know that the tires on EV wear out much faster than those on ICE vehicles thus the pollution from the tires on EV is more of a problem than on ICE
No bailouts for the auto industry. Tell the auto industry and their supporters in Congress don't even think of asking for a bailout. Not again. Never again.
They DID pay it all back ! Credit rating is still good.
Tesla did pay all their loan money from the government back.
And I am not a Tesla fan and I am not a fan of EVs.
One can google it, but you can't bring the link into the conversation anymore.
@@icosthop9998 Sorry ICOS -- You can't just make up your own facts & expect people to believe them.
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I had to recheck onto this.
I googled this subject, and GM paid back certain portions and the other parts GM paid back in stock options.
CZcams no longer allows people to bring the links into the conversation.
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But I will reword my comment.
I have owned an EV for nearly two years. The main problem I have with it is the fluctuation and depreciation of range from full charge. It’s hard to trust the numbers when you are doing long distance driving. The anxiety is real because the distance travelled doesn’t reliably reflect the numbers being shown in the car. There are too many factors that affects the battery range aside from distance. Outside temperatures particularly in the height winter and summer drastically affects the range. I think EVs are only beneficial in city driving where breathable air quality is important particularly in an urban environment. It shouldn’t be marketed as an all around do it all car because it’s not. Like towing for example.😅
I Agree the EV's are Great little Commuter Cars at best, just to go back and forth to work and run short errands. However the Automobile like General Motors manufacture MASSIVE EV's with Huge Battery Pack Modules and weigh 4 -5 tons? What are they Thinking?
@@frankkerze9608 They’re thinking that They need to sell expensive cars for the larger markup, just like with ICEVs. But you can buy a 3ton Equinox EV. Or a Chevy Bolt at 1.8 tons.
What car did you have? I have road tripped through Europe and in the Nordic countries without any problems. I have driven those with Tesla M3 and MY.
@@HarrythehunI would rather not mention the brand’s name because it wouldn’t be fair for them. It is a trusted brand but I think it’s not their fault. It’s the lithium ion battery technology that by nature is sensitive to temperature changes and is a fire hazard as well. My EV has had 2 fire hazard recalls already and I’ve had enough. I went to several car dealerships just to have it traded in and nobody is willing to accept it. Finally after days of looking one I have managed to replaced it with an ICE. I guess I will have to wait for hydrogen cars as my next upgrade. Definitely not EV because it’s giving me problems that I haven’t experienced in my years of motoring.
@@alias19 You're forgetting about the government regulations that are forcing them to add EV's to their lineups, so they can continue selling ICE cars and trucks. It's kind of like carbon credits. If Ford can't get the MPG rating any lower on their F-150, then they have to offer an electric version to "offset" their lineup's mpg rating. It makes no sense, but that's Government for you.
When i looked at a lot of electric vehicles, every single one of them had between 20-30% markup. I have zero wonder why they aren't selling well. GREED is taking over.
They are being marked up because of the high demand. Despite the video creator's claim, sales are exceptionally strong and the oil lobby (who funded this video) is panicking.
Dealers marked up everything. Car makers were pissed. Tesla didn't have that problems because when you buy a Tesla you buy it from Tesla.
Not anymore
Dealers know ,”the BIG GUY” will continue,or even raise the rebate,credits ,shameless promotion of these vehicles. Also the monies the government is pouring into charging stations. If these vehicles,can’t support themselves, they should not be sponsored by folks that will never be able to afford them.
Same reason the government should not create yacht clubs ! Subsidies for electric boats .
Pickings winners and losers at a cost to all.
I agree, it’s ridiculous, the markups these dealerships are charging. Which is exactly why, after all of my research for the past three years, I’m leaning towards Tesla or Rivian. It’s on their website the price, the specs, everything… That’s the price, take it or leave it, no haggling, that’s exactly the way it should be! I’m not ready to buy just yet, but hopefully at some point this year, and it comes down to those two brands for me. The ease of purchasing from either one of these companies makes it a no-brainer. I honestly don’t have four hours to spend going back-and-forth back-and-forth at a traditional car dealership just to purchase a vehicle, there’s absolutely no reason for this to ever happen I’m so done with regular car dealerships.
I don’t understand how all these manufacturers failed to conduct a complete market survey before investing billions in inventory they cant sell-there is also a matter of affordability 80-90% of household wouldn’t qualify to finance them
There are surveys. People want EVs, and in 5 years prospective buyers are more likely to opt for an EV than an ICEv if the supply of good vehicles is sufficient. That's already happening in places outside of the US.
The problem is that legacy auto EVs are not very good despite being overpriced, even before dealer middlemen mark them up. No one wants those, but legacy automakers have to try to get it right anyway or they're just going to be going bankrupt even faster when everyone else leaves their ICE vehicles behind.
Because corrupt Joe Forced them!!
The government is the problem. It does not care about "market forces". Don't be surprised if some of these car companies go under from running their business by government decree.
They wanted the government handout from the green new deal aka our tax dollars. What happens when government tries to force technology thats not ready.
Not all we’re willing now. U.S. government was mandating car manufacturers to start manufacturing EVs. This is sort of like forcing a Bible printing company to print Qurans. Yes, some jumped into the pool with both feet, Ford comes to mind, but not all. I’m not at all convinced on EVs for all the logical reasons. EVs are expensive, take long to charge depending, many don’t reach mileage ratings let alone when cold or very hot weather. Some have electric design flaws, are not as reliable as thought, and are to expensive to replace the battery pack, $30,000 after 8 to 10 years, what???! Then there is the fire issue. I think a lady in FL had a #10 Mercedes given to her as a loner while her gas car was being repaired at the dealer. Was a brand new EV. She put it in her garage to charge overnight and the thing short circuited, caught fire, and burned her house down. She told the local news she lost everything. Hmmm, losing everything just to charge a loner EV in one’s garage? Nahhh, not me. I’ll keep my boring perfected gas car. It’s a 2011 Honda CRV EX-L and runs great.
Well EV cultists, good luck!🤔🔥🥳🤦🏻♂️🙌🏻
The car companies seemingly don't know what the consumers want, and the dealer markups are just incredible. everyone has to get money yeah, but as if im going to buy a basic electric car for the price of one that is gas powered and is premium.
Both houses & cars have become too expensive for most Americans these days, most especially for single people and/or single-income households. Even a lot of 2 income households can't afford them.
The industry has driven prices too high for most families. The solution is for prices to align with budgets, even if it means a market correction. The wisest thing that should be on everyone mind currently should be to invest in different streams of income that doesn't depend on the govt.
Especially with the current economic crisis around the word. This is still a good time to invest in Gold, silver and digital currencies(BTC, ETH, XRP…….
What if you don't know how to trade any of these? I mean, see your point some people have the money and are willing to invest, the question is where to.
I guess that's why the demand for investment-advisers sky-rocketed by over 41.8% since the pandemic according to investopedia
When a new battery costs almost the cost of a brand new car, often more, that's just absurd
I bought a new Kia Niro EV EX Premium in Dec 2020 to get $7,500 tax credit, effectively lowering net price to ~$35K with dealer sale price & military discount. Later bought a used 2021 Tesla Model S Performance with FSD purchased + other options, with 19K mileage in Mar 2023 from a private party. Niro has been great, now with 18K miles, no problems, with range > advertised at ~250 mi & no discernible degradation at this point. Tesla had sensor go out, preventing FSD from engaging, but was fixed under warranty. Tesla mileage now ~25K with only 5% battery degradation. With home wall charger installed (state of VA gave partial tax credit), have only charged Kia twice outside home & Tesla twice (including drive home from NY after purchase). I still own an old Chevy pickup truck for occasional hauling items too big for either car, but only buy gas for it every 2-3 months. May eventually buy EV pickup but need is not that great.
Regarding others' comments on range, I keep both cars charged between 20-80% range. Kia Niro has twice gotten down to 2% (daughter) & 3% (me) but range kept extending as car automatically started shutting down systems to extend range & got us home safely.
These days there are so many Supercharger stations that getting real low on charge is because of the driver not paying attention, like not looking at the gas gauge on an ICE vehicle. There are a few dead zones with SC stations but with some planning no problem except for rare circumstances., usually destination chargers at hotels, etc. can be planned for.
Sell it before it gets to 100.000 miles. Because after that it will be worth "Zero Dollars".
@@dennisvansandt9274 Or now.
I've heard rumblings about EV insurance rates and simple fender bender body shop repair rates being higher for some brands. $15-$20k or more for a new battery doesn't sound like fun either.
the batteries in modern EVs are expected to outlive the life of the vehicle itself
EV Insurance Rates up 300 % in some cases from Insurance companies are not taking any chances on High Repair Costs
My ev6 was cheaper to insure then my 2009 Toyota sienna
@@teklife Jaguars' batteries ae made in South Korea. Hardly inspiring for a British luxury marque car.
@@dfor50
Your iPhone (?) is made in?
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I think the true reason is that most consumers can't afford one even if they want to buy an EV.
right, soon, there will be affordable chinese EVs for sale in the US which will blow everything else away, and then, bye bye legacy automakers.
but of course there will be xenophobia and nationalism to fight it, and lawmakers making legislation so they can't compete fairly. so much for the beloved so called free market capitalism, bullshit.
No one wants one...
Resale value is appalling and range under speed, load and cold weather is too unpredictable. Then there's charging time and so on.
Nah, it's just the non-Tesla EVs are shit and their charging networks are a joke.
Over 2 million on the road, but no one wants one? LOL! Let facts be your guide.@@breckfreeride
The focus on high-end, fancy models completely dismissed the need for affordable transportation the average folks are looking to buy. EVs are selling well in Europe and Asia because their lineup includes lots of entry and economy models that people can afford.
I wonder if in Europe the dealers are maybe not a problem, as they are here. If not, and cars are still a business and not a racket, that might help account for the difference, too. Look at the complaints about dealer add ons and markups, especially Ford, apparently (but Ford has a long tradition of dishonest dealers--going back to the 1950's.)
you got it. "dealers" make the most profit from "luxury"cars
@@cesarebeccaria7641 all dealers are cheats
@@shaystern2453 a dealer makes a higher margin on luxury cars, but they sell cheaper cars at a higher volume. The truth is though that most people who want EVs want a Tesla. That’s the dealerships biggest issue that they are fighting for their small piece of about 40% of a small but growing market.
There is a reason for that. Companies want to make money on EVs and early days they don't have the ability to produce cheap EVs. That was Tesla's game plan. Come out with the roadster, then the S and X to pay for the scale required for the model 3 & Y. Everyone is following that except the Chinese who are state backed.
In addition, even when a cheap EV comes around (the Leaf), Americans don't want it. So I wouldn't lay all the blame on "greedy auto companies".
If America allows the import of Chinese EVs, it will be game over for all but Tesla and Rivian. The legacy US auto makers just can't compete with the likes of BYD.
I guess I'm pretty fortunate, I recently bought a Chevy Bolt EV and it was right at MSRP and it's a great little car. Drives beautifully, it's comfortable, premium sound system, heated seats and steering wheel, plenty of safety features, and about 260 miles per charge. The obvious downside is that it has rather slow charging, but we have no intention of taking it more than 200 miles away - we still have an aging ICE car that would be fine for that if the need arises. We're very happy with the Bolt.
Here in the UK there are hundreds of thousands - maybe millions - of homes in towns and cities that front direct onto the street and have no garage or vehicle pull-in. That makes it virtually impossible for people living in those homes to charge an EV overnight. Seems to me a pretty big obstacle to their acceptance - which is why used ICE car values will skyrocket once the ban on new sales hits in a mere dozen years' time..
When the truth comes out about how dangerous it is to charge an aging EV, you won't want one inside your garage. They should be charged at a post 50 ft away from the house.
What truth would that be?@@michaellowe3665
In the United States, there are millions of people that live in apartment complexes that have no electrical hookups near their vehicles. An electrical hookup requires a meter which is about a $10,000 upgrade to the parking lot. The customer would have to pay that out of their own pocket. And that would become a leasehold improvement that stays with the property, not with the owner.
@@drunvert This only a concern now. 2035 is not that close, plenty of time to get the infrastructure in place for the average consumer. In Michigan they are testing roads that charge electric vehicles. This is not the crisis you BELIEVE it is.
@@DerrickDJ bullshit. The electrical GRID cannot handle it in any way shape or form
Would be good to compare these models that aren't selling to the models that are in order to highlight why they're not selling.
A logical approach like that will never get you a job in journalism
;-)
Yeah because for some reason Tesla Model 3 and Y continue to fly off the shelves. Tesla Model Y is the best selling car in the world. Not best selling EV but the best selling car period.
@@MikesProjectsandHobbies exactly.
Pretty clear from what ISN'T selling, high cost, low range.
@@MikesProjectsandHobbies In deed - In Denmark alone Tesla Model Y just broke a 37 year old sales record (Opel Kadett) in year 2023 which hasn't ended yet. Tesla represent > 12% of all cars sold in Denmark Y2023. Well done US, Tesla and Elon Musk!!!!!
The first Nissan Leaf was $44K. A top of the line Prius, at the time, was $26K.
Sure but now they are both around $27K. A Bolt is even cheaper if you qualify for a tax credit ($9000 in California brings the price to low $20k).
I remember shopping for both a Lyriq and a Mach-E a year ago. Couldn’t find a dealer that was willing to sell it without insane markups lol. Today, the same dealers can’t sell the same vehicles even with insane discounts. Went with a C8 and Macan T instead.
No truer words were ever spoken!!! These greedy dealers are getting what they deserve. I've been look to by an EV for the past couple of years and I refused to overpay just to say I have one. Now lets wait until they have to sell at that insane discount!!!
I think a Macan EV is coming out soon
@@darmou Porsche is making the announcement today. We've known about it for a while, but we'll pass on EV on all our future car purchases.
@@PatrickPeel also the resell value of the Mach-E (and EVs in general) has dropped dramatically after a little over a year especially after news of Hertz dumping its Tesla fleet and Tesla slashing prices on brand new vehicles! We went from a 2012 Prius and Prius c to our new daily driven ICE vehicles with zero regrets. Went on a 1,700 mile roadtrip in the Macan with absolutely no inconvenience or annoyances. We kept our Prius’s tho, mainly to transport our Dobermans.
I looked up the first car mentioned, Mercedes EQE, and it lists for $65-110,000 for a compact EV so no wonder they're not selling.
Current expensive unaffordable electric vehicles are made for self righteous environmental snobs that think they're better than the rest of us and like to show off their superior high-class standards for environmental concerns in our face. They like to remind us why they are better than us! That is the truth!
@@johnn17golf They also depreciate over 40% in the first year. I would not buy any vehicle that depreciates that much regardless of make and model period. If I were to buy electric car it would definitely be a Lucid, unfortunately it's way outside my budget. At least Lucid Air holds its resale value much better than any EQE.
Mercedes EV sales are up 73% year over year
@@johnn17golf unfortunately their used resale value doesn't hold up as good as their gasoline powered vehicles.
@@Seenoevilspeaknoevilhearnoevil Kinda like early PCs did not hold value well, because the tech was advancing so fast and the PCs on sale were higher end. As more come on market, especially lower end EVs, the resale value will catch up fast and it will be ICE resale values that will plummet.
As an apartment dweller who wouldn't be able to charge at home, EVs make no economic sense since fast-charging all of the time is as expensive as gasoline, is likely to cause premature battery failure, takes 10X longer for half the range and costs 10-20k$ more up-front.
Not to mention those renting rooms or live in a multi family home as in our neighborhood. They have to park on the streets.
Buy hybrid, they getting 40+ mpg now.
@@Poepad 40 MPGs for a hybrid sounds horrible: my 2011 Focus can hit 43 highway MPGs doing a Montreal-Ottawa roundtrip when I don't get stuck in traffic for more than a few minutes and weather is nice. A 10 years old Prius with refurbished battery pack can hit 60+ city MPGs.
Me, I'd rather wait for Na-ion batteries to become more widespread and have a hybrid that uses a completely independent range-extending generator instead of clunky hybrid transmissions. At the rate motor/generator designs are improving, this will likely be more efficient, cheaper and more reliable quite soon if it isn't already.
I've seen various auto based channels that have demonstrated that electric is more expensive than gasoline, plus refueling time is a few minutes instead of a few hours - assuming you can find an operating charger station.
Once account of a man trying to drive an EV on a trip detailed how he had to go to three different EV charging platforms before finding ones that were functional, with a long line of their Exploding Vehicles waiting in line.
He ended up renting a reliable ICE vehicle to complete his trip. No word if that EV spontaneously combusted later on.
@@teardowndan5364 A Geo Metro back in the 90's got better than 40MPG's. I was watching Kilmer show the repair of a hybrid, where an $80 component that had to be replaced cost $2000 because it was only accessible by removing the battery.
Hybrids are better than any EV tho, even Tesla (sorry Tesla cultists). EV buyers are poorly informed and/or virtue/status signaling fools until proven otherwise. They are ALL instant 5000° F death traps waiting to happen.
Electric cars have existed for over 125 years, starting from the very beginning of horseless carriages. If the battery tech was truly sufficient, there would be no need for all of the subsidies and rebates paid for by the taxpayers.
It’s the same situation in singapore. Dealer that only have EV available for fighting for market share, while dealers that have both ICE/hybrid and EV are pricing their EV higher and complain that EV are too expensive to sell
i've been driving my EV6 for 2 years and I love it. No major issues. I drive it everywhere including road trips. EA stations can be a hassle but i only really use them a couple times per year. 99% of my charging is in my garage. The only maintenance has been one cabin air filter. Everyone who rides in it says "I can't believe how smooth and powerful it is".
My family would love an EV, but areas we frequently travel to are lacking infrastructure to support an EV. Besides, most EVs are priced out of our budget.
Get a Tesla and you wont have to worry about charging.
@@tonymc-dx8xw That is definitely not going to happen.
Have you checked apps or websites for charging locations For example, Tesla Supercharger. charge places are not like gas stations they can significantly more Hidden
@@Andersljungberg Yes, I have.
ICE may be a better choice right now but don't rule an EV out in the future. Never say never.
In the case of the Lightning, Ford has made the mistake of restricting the extended range battery in the Pro model to fleet sales only. They are also focusing on the high end Lariat and Platinum trims. People shopping for a truck in that price range want a truck that is equipped EXACTLY as they wish. Ford has 3000 dealers in the US, so 9000 trucks works out to 3 per dealership. There is not much likelihood that with only three units that one is going to have the trim level, options, and color a buyer wants. My local dealer has exactly ONE on hand compared to over 60 regular F150's. It's a Platinum with a MSRP close to 100K. Not many buyers at that price.
you don't know what hell you're talking about. models are not allocated evenly at any car company. models are allocated to markets they are likely to sell. there's no point in shipping a massive amount of sports cars to Nome Alaska where they get a massive amount snow. nobody wants them there.
@@hypernovatv911
And you'd be surprised at where new cars end up.
Ford is too greedy. If they would stop foaming at the mouth, they will bring their prices down. No Ford vehicle is worth 100 grand !
An EV truck makes as much sense as a 2WD truck. NOBODY wants either! It's so disappointing that Ford ever jumped aboard the EV train to nowhere. ALL auto makers could have, and should have said F-you to Obiden and his stupid religion of climate change. Watch one video of an EV fire, and you'll immediately know the EV push had nothing to do with saving the planet. It had, and has, everything to do with Obiden's ties to Chinese money.
the gas models are also over priced 60K-100k +
Lots of gas powered pickup trucks siting on the lots from ford, chevy, gmc, dodge & toyota in the USA.
The whole "luxury" thing with pickup's is an insane idea ✔✔
They are mainly WORK vehicles, NOT SUV toys.
Got the f150 lightning. It's awesome. I tried the truck. I asked questions to real owners and finally decided to get one and I love it. Don't let anyone decide for you. Get real info. I never thought of getting one and here I am. No regrets.
No regrets YET!
Until your Lightning lightens up in flames! Time will come for sure. I give those well used batteries 5 years!
@@xynakasha3393 ICVs burn 61 times more often per 100,000 Vs than EVs. They’re more likely to hurt & kill people when they do burn. Why are you spreading lies about EVs? Job or sick hobby?
It’s a really cool car. But I’d rather have. A gas f150 for much less
@@CosmoNguyen-sw5mp One that costs more to own than any sane car, to serve as a crutch to your ego while it destroys civilization & nature.
I would consider only a hybrid and no 100% EV as no one mentions with all accessories running what the mileage would be diminished to... Heater in winter, AC in summer , stereo blaring and what is life of the batteries and what is replacement cost ? Too many questions unanswered right now...
i've seen in a video recently that heating and cooling of a modern EV does little to nothing to affect its range. remember, u have batteries moving a massive amount of weight, a vehicle and its occupants, the heating and cooling are insignificant, on modern EVs, in the past heating did affect range.
Why would you want a hybrid? They even have more incomprehensible problems than EVs. And they are harder to fix than a pure ICE car, and will have a shorter lifespan, etc.
Answers are coming. Real world range for popular models is being written and spoken about
No one mentions? Too many tin foil hats right now.
You can find all your answers online… Driving uses majority of your battery range. And do not get a hybrid. Hybrids are not comparable to EVs, and are not a viable long term solution for decarbonization.
Several factors come to mind; price, range anxiety, brand reputation?
Agreed, for me the greatest turnoff is a dealer markup . I will NEVER pay for it.
12/4/23...DANGER OF CATCHING ON FIRE JUST DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD...
DANGER OF HOME/APT/CONDO CATCHING ON FIRE @ CHARGER...
TIME TO PLUG IN + WAIT + WAIT + WAIT TO CHARGE....
@@eileeneclark9011 FACTS: combustion engine vehicles catch on fire much more than EVs, you're just being influenced by disinformation by the massive fossil fuel industry who see EVs as a threat, and they're the biggest and most powerful forces on the earth right now.
please do your research. EVs are in fact the safest vehicles you could own, by far.
@@teklife
If only that were the case.
@@teklifeI refuse to spend 50K 60K 70K on some junk EV that will blow up when Im diving it down the road. The rest of us happen to prefer our gasoline vehicles. So you drive the EV junk. And leave us alone and stop trying to make us feel as if our choices and opinions are wrong. Just because we don't want the EV junk
One day I'll have an electric vehicle but the prices are too damn high. I was one of the people who had a reservation for the Lightning and when it was time to order it was over $80,000. I wasn't paying that !
Pricing is the elephant in the room! $60-$80K can be spent much more advantageously. After owning 2 EVs I've switched to PHEVs; the best of both worlds.
Until electric cars are the same price as regular cars they’ll not sell to regular people!
Have you priced a new car?
@@PoepadEV cars cost trice as much as a gasoline powered car
Even it a few ICE are cheaper to buy they are much more expensive to own with maintenance gas and much higher rates of depreciation. EV do not need any maintenance before the ICE car is replaced due to being worn out. Total cost of ownership of a Tesla is a small fraction of the cost of ICE over its limited life span. The EV can be passed down in your will and still not need any maintenance in 10-15 years. Batteries are good for 1.5 to 3 million miles. before losing about 10% of their range. Fleet managers people who understand total cost of ownership would get fired it they did not focus on getting EVs for their fleets,
@@Michaelobama184 So... you have not.
I will not buy an electric car regardless of how low the price will go!!! LOL
You missed the Audi Etron. I read that Audi slashed the lease cost by $50,000!! I rented one for a 160 mile round trip because I didn't want to wait over an hour for an ICE vehicle. The range showed 254 miles when I left the rental company lot. After 60 miles, it dropped by over 100 miles. I had range anxiety for the remainder of the trip. There's a long way to go to make these appealing in the US market, plus, it still feels like a very large golf cart in a car body.
That's why the car should recommend places to charge along the way. using an electric car is different, you probably have to use the navigator. How well it works is another matter. In the worst case, you might have the navigator give you the wrong information and direct you to the wrong places. look at Electric Car Reviews There are several on CZcams and probably other places that do
You should have gotten a Tesla....
@@Andersljungberg who wants to keep stopping along the way to recharge?
@1flash3571 My feelings as well. The video doesn't point out that Tesla isn't having trouble selling any of its cars so EV sales haven't crashed for all manufacturers.
That is about right. Any EVs including Tesla (I own Tesla model Y) will run 2/3 of the range. It means that if you want to drive 200 miles trip, you have to charge 300 miles. 330 miles long range model Y will be able to go a little more than 200 miles.
Here in the UK on Auto Trader the difference in price from low to high for the Jaguar I-Pace is quite ridiculous. At the cheap end there is a 2020 car with 88,000 miles for £17,490 and at the other end of the scale there is one for £86,630. This is for more or less the same model.
Personally I wouldn't have either of them. I'll stick with my turbo diesel Juke and not get range anxiety and knowing that when the temperature drops below -5 my car will start, run and get me to my destination regardless of how far it is. And what's more, I will get there sooner than an electric car of the same power.
Here's a quick tip for all you car manufacturers out there. 1. Build cars that people want. 2. Create a charging infrastructure that is common and reliable (like the Supercharger network) 3. Build small and cheap as not everyone can afford vehicles that cost £30K+.
It's no wonder is it really that, manufacturers build these ridiculous machines that cost up to and over £100K+ and can't sell them.
Personally I think it serves them right for not listening to the consumers...................
7:56 I am in the UK and went to order a Mach e and it is on a 10 month lead time - delivery is December 2024!!!!
Never by one.
I heard from a Hyundai sales person, years ago now, when the Hyundai Kona EV first came out, that dealership sales people don't like selling EVs because there is little to no commission on selling EVs because most auto makers are selling EVs at a loss, leaving nothing for commissions. Makes sense to me. The only way EVs other than Tesla will see higher sales is if the manufacturers sell directly to the public.
I heard it was because dealerships thrive on service centres, and EVs don’t need much maintenance and fewer parts to repair. I think that’s why Hyundai is pushing for frequent maintenance. They still want you to do every 6 months PLUS more conductivity fluid change every 60k which costs $300-900! Tesla says their coolant doesn’t need changing for the life of the vehicle.
who can afford to buy them? one must at least earn 6-figure-annual-income
@@balloney2175 Wrong view! This writer is a senior citizen, and I bought an EV-- A USED EV for the price of a gas car. The opinion is one sided YES, too many EVs are expensive, but used EVs are competitive. History noted; the FIRST gas cars were expensive, about a years pay for a blue collar worker. In a 'few years' they were affordable for all. Economics are the same in this society, the anti EV jerks and their noise, notwithstanding
@@harriettanthony7352 Another factor is lack of stops for refueling. Don't get me wrong, I want one myself but it is more jerky not being able to run cuz I can't find a station nearby.
@@balloney2175 Not sure where you live. After 20,000 including a couple of long road trips (600 - 1,000 each), I have never had an issue finding a charge station
There are great apps that will help you locate changing stations and plan stops for charging. Teslas shows all the near by changing locations, Tesla and non-Tesla. For the Tesla locations, it indicates how open (available) stalls there are. There is a $7,500 federal tax credit for select vehicles, plus some states, counties, and electric providers have rebates/ credits. They will take the $7,500 off the cost of the vehicle so you don't have to wait for the tax credit
IN CANADA COST TO PUT CHARGER IN MY HOME Non-Standard Installation Cost:
Labour & Material Installation Cost $3,831.80
Permit Cost $120.00
GM Canada Non-Standard Installation Credit ($1,500.00)
Tax $318.73
Balance owed (Credit Card payment due): $2,770.53 incl. tax. Also ordering the charging unit module19.2 KW AC from GM for $1,795.00 So overall this will cost $5,626.81 Love the look of the Lyriq ...the lyric is not selling they have a huge inventory they are going to give big rebates to move these lyrics.
4:39 Misconception that filling up at the gas station is quicker than not going to the gas station. I've owned an ev going on 8 years and on an annual basis EV's save more time plus I never do oil changes an even bigger time saver.
Also no tuneups and seldom brake job thanks to regen braking.
Pretty much everyone who wanted the lovely f150 electric has got one.. look at the price tags. Wow
$7500 tax credit..... find a full size truck less than $50k.....
As a matter of fact, Ford had record sales of the F-150 Lightning in November 2023.
TFL Truck drove the Lightning from Colorado to Alaska and back. They called it "the best truck Ford has ever made."
@@davidmenasco5743 you should get one
Home charging may be relatively cheap at the moment, but once more people have been roped into the EV market, energy charging prices WILL skyrocket!!
Except renewable costs keep going down.
No@@Wilem35
Every year the power company gets a 16-22% rate hike.
Actually, likely the opposite. At this moment in time, ironically, the USA is in the unusual position of having over-capacity on the National Grid. In any case, costs tend to drop with scaling, not increase. If we suddenly adopted EV's as the ONLY road transport, the demand on the grid would rocket some 30%. However, back in reality we won't see EV domination for decades and that gives the US Government plenty of time to invest in solar farms similar to the Noor complexes in Morocco. These plants are capable of operating almost 24 hours a day using salt reservoirs for night time operation. Both in Australia and Morocco they are also laying down power cables so they can sell their power overseas (Morocco are installing power lines to Scotland right now). America is populated by Luddites and I as a consequence we can expect to lose any semblance of scientific and engineering dominance within the next decade. In many markets, it's already happened.
"Roped in." I take it you are not an EV fan ;-) We got solar for the office (charge for very little) and will have solar for the house soon. So... I can not understand why Americans are fighting to keep Saudi (Bin Laden) oil. Keep our money in America with American power companies and American Electricians.
Yesterday one Mercedes EV exploded whilst charging in Malaysia
And how many regular gas(petrol) vehicles caught fire?
@@SashazurThey don't fuel cars don't self combust.
They over heat.
@@Sashazur
A battery fire is far scarier.
Currently driving a Cadillac Lyriq and have put 15,000 miles on it. It is my 5th electric vehicle. It was one of the first couple of hundred built and had many problems at the start but has been completely problem free for 6 months after the dealer finally overcame the issues. It is a great vehicle and I am glad I bought it. I also considered getting a Blazer EV as a second car but was blown away by the MSRP that was more than the Lyriq. Overpriced by at least $12K. These will need big price cut/rebates to sell them.
It would have been handy to have included the Tesla numbers for comparison, model, price, range, on hand stock, and days of inventory.
Tesla doesn't sell through franchised dealers so there aren't any of their cars sitting on lots. It's an unfare comparison and they are one car company that isn't having trouble selling.
The only EV worth thinking of buying. Cybertruck is twice the Lightning and what, $15,000+ less? I am a Ford guy too.
yep, inventory from car dealers that commission up above MSRP, when everyone knows buying by internet is much cheaper and trustworthy. The numbers in this video reflect customers' choices and do not reflect the reality of EV sales.
@@youxkio The dealer based brands are generally bad EVs but the lack of sales of those lackluster cars is greatly made worse by the fact the dealing with dealerships is one of the most hated experiences of ones life. You can't even buy a car from deal for MSRP, they jack the prices up as "Additional Profit" by 20-40%
unfair?
@@midnight4109
I currently drive a 2017 Chevy Bolt, which i bought for only $15k. My wife drives a 2022 Chevy Bolt, which we bought new for $29k. We have both taken long trips with our cars, going 700+ miles. We plan our trips, selecting where we'll stop to charge, and what we'll do while the car is charging. Last time, we stopped at a shopping mall, and shopped while the car charged. Our 2nd stop was at a car dealership, so the charge was FREE. We had a meal while charging there. We live in the northeastern U.S., so there are places to charge, but not enough of them. More infrastructure is being planned and built, so this will only improve over time.
Maybe 🤔
Just got awd ioniq 5 and couldn’t like a car more. Thing’s fantastic.
That anyone is mental enough to walk into a dealership in the states for any Ford products right now just blows me away. Regardless of it being EV or ICE
So true
Way out of my price range, even the leaf which is 30K, my car and truck don't even come close to that. Maybe worth 10K together on a good day . That's where I'm at, but they are paid for and run great.
Used leafs for 8k
I noticed that you can pick up a 20k mile used Leaf for about $19K in Phoenix.
But batteries are probably the one thing that could cost a lot to replace. If going bad
Same here my friend.
I believe that EVs will find their niche but they will not totally replace the ICE any time soon.
They’re finding their niche already.They’re called land fills
@@lv4077They have a place. Someone who lives exclusively in a medium sized city and owns their own home with a charger would do fine with one
@@ickster23 I suppose if you have a backup car,if you have a very short commute,if you’re in an area where everything is close in proximity maybe it would be ok.If you’re imagining ownership is reliable and inexpensive and resale doesn’t matter to you maybe then.EV’s might not be bad if you couldn’t find a decent ICE vehicle.But if you think you’re saving the environment you’re deceiving yourself.
@@ickster23
Their niche is a ⚰
We don't need them, case closed.
You should check out the EV sales in Norway. In october 2023 87% of the new cars sold was a BEV! It's not a niche.
Without a reliable charging network...you'd be silly to buy an EV outside of a Tesla! Building the Supercharger network alongside the vehicle was a genius move by Tesla!
It's why Ford is providing free adapters with its EVs for maximum charger compatibility, although I think the superchargers still only work with Teslas. Yes, Tesla was smart, as theirs becomes the standard and another profit center for Tesla (since they sell the electricity at a "healthy" markup over what they pay for it.)
too bad they couldn't stick to making a good charging network, their cars are trash quality and boring to look at
The EV market is already dominated bij the Chinese and Korean brands. Only Tesla can compete with these. The German cars are built better than Tesla but too expensive, like everything in Europe.
Thanks so much for the heads up. You're doing a very patriotic thing for the inflation America.
I got kona ev from Colorado for $30k with 280 miles range
I still have my dodge ram but with $ 6-7 gallon ( cali)I can't afford to drive it /$10k a year for diesel
.EV free charge for 2 years from Hyundai
I love it, it works 4me
You give the "days supply" which is of course great, but some of the dealers have one or two EV's, and that still is about a 100 to 150 day supply!😮 RIP Jaguar and Ford.
Same price as a house used to be.....SHOCKER!
I don't understand why I have to pay double the price for an electric car? And if the battery is gone, $50 000 for a new battery?! At that cost I can buy two new gasoline cars :)
My local ford lot has 3 e transits, 7 mach Es and
6 lightnings.
Im thinking of getting rid of my gas pig and going for a test drive in an E Transit for work.
I look forward to never going to a gas station again.
and you're going to die of old age, sitting in your EV waiting for just an opportunity to charge.
It takes me 3 mins. to gas up my ICE car......and I bought an ice cream as well.
your voice is so good that it sounds like someone in china or india hired you as a voice over. You should probably brand this channel by just being yourself, might be a stronger lane for you.
Pretty interesting video, well written and professional. Useful to point out some "do not buy" cars. I'm not sure which EV's are real "do not buys" and which are just ugly stepsisters of the teslas. There might be some ugly stepsisters that are okay to buy depending on discounts. That's a hard sell nowadays because the lower priced Teslas and used Teslas are just generally so much better than the other electric vehicles.
Already have one and love it practically no maintenance cost and at highway speed I get 200 plus miles once you figure out this vehicle is the answer to short to medium trips at very low cost you’ll love your electric car plus the torque and the it so quiet . Chevy bolt driver for 3 yrs .
That's the thing when you have one you can't imagine going back. notice how this list btw is all very expensive EVs? That's fairly typical for luxury cars to to sell slowly. Automakers thought demand for cars would just keep raging.. obviously wrong.
I wanted an EV for my next car, but after doing the research about the astronomical hidden costs, no way would I ever buy one!
I have driven 2 EVs before and I like the car and tech but only thing stopping me from buying one is PRICE 💵 AND RANGE. Not too many miles per charge.
The manufacturers have missed the biggest, most important segment who would love to buy EVs…Small businesses and contractors. A lot of us drive a LOT of local trips. Instead, they concentrated on the fully loaded, luxury versions. Ford released a Contractor oriented Lightning…its sold out for a year. The high ticket luxury versions, they can’t sell them. Chevy released a $100,000+ version of the Silverado. Meantime the Contractor grade, high towing capacity $60,000 version I want to purchase is nowhere in sight. So, I bought a Niro EV for estimates, running around for supplies and doing small jobs. I drive it all the time. If they had released the Silverado Contractor version, I would have traded the Ram Diesel in and bought that instead. Not waiting a year for the Contractor lightning, especially when it can’t tow my 14,000 lb dump trailer. Business use is where the market is and the Manufacturers have blinders on.
No EV in my garage or my future.
Soon enough you will have no choice.
The longer they sit the more compromised their battery becomes. Then by the time you get it the battery will not take a full charge and if it does lookout big fire hazard.
EVs catch fire less than ICE. Batteries last at least 10 years and mostly 20 years. Old one ones are still worth $thousands eg for home batteries.
@@humanresources3545 But the consequences of those rarer fires are far more devastating.
I saw 2 You Tube videos of people who purchased EV's, both of them had to replace the batteries, which were not covered by warranty. One of them bought the car new 2 years ago and the replacement cost for the battery was $60,000, more than what he paid for the car when new. I have no intention of buying an EV until I absolutely have to.
Well that’s strange because Tesla batteries are warranted for 10 years or 120k miles.
Instead of phasing out the Leaf, they should consider using LFP batteries to power it and continue selling the car. They already have the necessary tooling manufactured for production, so they ought to just make sensible upgrades and benefit from economies of scale to increase their profits.
the original design was cool, I had one, but never liked the second gen styling, it's a visual dud
Current Leaf has LFP in base model - charge to 100% with no worries, great car!
Nissan LEAF really only had 2 problems - unregulated battery temperatures and Chademo. Nissan had many years of refreshes but refused to do anything about both problems and only did cosmetic changes. To put this into perspective, most of the parts in the latest LEAF can be fitted into the original 2010 LEAF and still work.
You can get extended battery packs for the LEAF. The newest ones had a 62kWh version.
It's just that replacing a battery can cost anywhere from $15,000 and up.
Most ev's come with a 8 year battery warrantee, how long do you plan on keeping the car?
@@RemoteSpeed007 a car is not a throw away item. People like you are destroying the world
@@RemoteSpeed007
For at least 20 years.
Similar to replacing a high performance Euro-5 engine + drivetrain + exhaust system + catalyst converter + all connected sensors.
@@RemoteSpeed007 Okay, Thank you for the reply it was informative.
We bought the Bolt EVU one week ago. We love it and we live in California.
Of course you live in California 😂😂
That’s right! California is a great place to live! My Sister has a Tesler and she lives in TN. We had a Mercedes and it cost 400.00 dollars for gas . Now we pay 50 a month to charge our car. The car pays for its self.
I pity you.
I think it’s EUV.
Three year owner of Tesla model Y. Love every minute!
I'm a field tech and we have company cars, Currently we drive Ford Escape hybrids and get 580 miles on a fill up. The company wanted to switch to Tesla Model 3's the guys that got them as a test run HATED them... Range issues, having to bring and extension cord to every customer site to charge the car. Not being able to find hotels that have charging stations when on the road overnight.
You must do most of your work in really remote or rural areas and not near major highways or cities?
I don't believe you. There are Tesla superchargers everywhere. Model 3 range issues? They driving more than 300 miles straight?
@@srt4b What they're saying is that with a gasoline car, they didn't have to even think about it because there are so many gas stations even in rural areas. With an EV your strategy is always around finding a charger when you can afford the downtime.
Hybrid is the way to go. Infrastructure is in place and there is no need to rebuild electric grid.
@@srt4b The Teslas were too fast for them. They could not handle the POWER. 😂🤣
In the UK my brother bought a Tesla for 60,000 UK pounds 3 years later its only worth 27,000 UK pounds the depreciation on EVs is crazy.
Never buy brand new. Almost every car depreciates in the first three years.
@@HelloMyFriend_ But Electric Jesus slashing new car prices is great for existing owner trade-ins how, exactly?
@@stevemawer848 huh?
Notice that virtually all the ads for EV's show lots of green trees in the surroundings - no snow drifts and icy roads. So you can get 300 miles per charge in hot weather but not in Minniapolis in January. Your lucky if your charger works at all. How far will your EV go at -10F? My next vehicle will be something more I can rely on without worry - like the proven internal combustion engine vehicle.
Just saw a news story about a Mercedes EQE that was a loaner while the owner's Mercedes was in the shop (story didn't specify if the owner's car was EV or ICE). The car was parked in the garage, not being charged, just parked. It burst into flames, and by the time it was out, the home was, according to the owner, a total loss of $1 million (although frankly it didn't look like a million dollar house to me.) Apparently, there was a recall on that model for a battery malfunction warning light failure, and it' hadn't been applied. If the owner's own car--the one in the shop--was an ICE model, and the dealer said, "Here, try this EQE. It drives like a dream," there would be at least a bit of irony.
I know these EV fires are rare, as are the cases of $40,000 for replacing a battery pack, but they get a lot of press, and both are an indication of one thing: Regardless of brand, all EVs are still Version ONE of a new technology, and as long as lithium-ion liquid battery packs are the power source they'll still be version one. I think even the solid-state lithium-ion will only be version 1.5. Add to that the lack of sufficient electricity generation capacity, and we have trouble my friend.
Read my post for Biden !!
The Bolt is flying off the lots. GM had planned to stop production by now. Due to surging demand, GM has decided to redesign it instead. I'd gladly buy another.
Yeah and that "redesign" will come with a $15k increase in price which will mean they'll be piling up on dealer lots like every other EV.
I don’t have an EV and found the Bolt and Volt interesting but I haven’t seen very many of either. I would probably go with the hybrid for now. Good luck.
@@jeffreyhurst9552 Thank you for your kind words. The weather just turned cold which shortened our range, but the Bolt still meets our needs. We seldom drive 100 miles in a day and like to break up longer drives. The car just suits us, but as it says in the ads, your milage may vary.
@@jeffreyhurst9552 The Bolt is fugly and looks like every other Chevy so they're hard to spot. Hybrid is the worst of both worlds.
This is why I’m still buying Tesla stock on every dip. I first started buying Tesla stock in 2015. Made over 10X my investment so far. Tesla sells more EVs because they are worth every penny. Also, they have the charging infrastructure to support long distance driving.
And yet, Tesla had to drop their EV Prices. Check the resale value on your Tesla.
@@kbenti I guess you are not aware of how Tesla works, everything is built in-house including the latest batteries. There are practically no 2nd or 3rd party suppliers, hence the price drop where they still make money on each vehicle. Resale value of any car can drop once you pull out of the dealership lot after signing the papers, drive a new car home then change your mind very next day and let's see if you can recoup what you've paid for from the dealership or selling privately.
@@inciwillard991 net profit of $1.9 billion from July through September, a 44 percent drop from the $3.3 billion Tesla made in the same three-month period a year earlier.
2020 was the first time that Tesla turned a full-year profit.
They had to drop the price because there are so many better, cheaper alternatives, they are over priced, poorly built , basic cars that are about 20 years behind in design.
"There are practically no 2nd or 3rd party suppliers" the largest most costly part of an EV is the battery and they are made by Panasonic and LG in the Tesla.
I`m guessing you are part of the Musk cult ?
@@kbenti means you have no idea about Tesla. Because from 2008 Elon Musk said this, about mass production, lower prices etc. The clip is here on, CZcams. Hear him saying the goal is to get mass-production EVs with lower prices, starting with premium car prices... many would like to buy a Mercedes. But the costs associated with this are unsustainable for most of us... I would not buy a Mercedes just to be a target - "this dude has money, get him!"...
@@kbenti He stated he's buying the stock. Yes, Tesla has dropped their prices but their margins are still positive. I believe they want more people to purchase at lower prices to drive out competition. By the way...check resale value on any car...they go down. If you're buying vehicles for investment purposes, good luck. I purchased my MYLR for 51k...still looks to be selling new at 51k, I'm not planning to sell any time soon so why should I worry about depreciation on my vehicle? I pay more than $7500 in federal taxes so I'll be able to take advantage of the full tax credit this year. I already know it's going to depreciate because it's now considered "used".
I currently own one and is the best decision ever. It's not for everyone, but it fits my needs. Less moving parts means less maintenance and no gas expense. Is not wander whay the price of a ev is higher.
I like Nio's battery swap option - I want the risk of owning a crappy battery to be shared haha so until then... staying with my Prius.
Waiting on NIO to come to US to buy an EV.
If you take all the unsold ev and times the value of each one and figured how much it is costing dealers to carry the interest on them why would they make any more of them. At some point they will need to sell them just to stop paying the interest on them which I think is a lot of money. Thank you Ben
wait for them to pay the customer to take them off their hands.
Then there are those who claim that car dealerships make cars more expensive
@@Andersljungberg A LOT more expensive. They want 20% over list price and wonder why they are not selling. Tesla you buy from Tesla. Thats it.
@@chrisspainTelsas sold because taxpayers subsidized them.
@@JoeOvercoat really? Everyone else got no tax credits? Looks different in praxis.
Trade one pollutant for another. Lithium EV batteries are highly toxic to people and our environment, a constant fire danger adding one more thing to an ready polluted environment . EMF are another concern.
Stop lying to yourself. We know better. EV batteries are NOT toxic unless you're EATING them. Your ICE vehicles poison you EVERY Time you start the engine. EV batteries can be recycled or re-used at the end of life. Gasoline just keeps burning. No recycling.
Almost 200,000 ICE Vehicles BURN and catch on FIRE every year. EVs...not very many. So stop the BIG OIL shilling...and stop poisoning the rest of us if you don't mind poisoning yourself and your family.
Price is what is the issue. Dealers are marking these up like crazy.
I bought a Lyriq AWD Luxury 3. I love it. Leased it for 3 years.
The reality is: the XT4, XT5 and XT6 are better values unless you have a home charger , work charger and don't take road trips.
A Toyota hybrid is efficient enough and approachable for me. Good build quality and decent warranty too.
The few who actually want EV’s already have them, and if they live in cold weather they won’t want another!
WRONG says this EV driver who is warm in the cab in a New England winter
No, Einstein. EV’s lose their range when they’re cold.
I wonder if CarEdge is happy that you're using their research. I also wonder if the slow EV sales have more to do with the outrageous prices than anything else.
The MDS for some gas cars is over a year. It's a general slow down on all new vehicle sales because the Corpos and dealerships are gouging customers with "market adjustments" etc. My next vehicle will be an ev, but not a new one. I buy 1 year old and save 30% off the price.
The high cost of a replacement battery could kill resale value. The extended range battery for a Ford Lightning is $32,000. If the battery died you would have to fork out the cash or possibly take a huge loss selling it if the vehicle is out of warranty. Add in the range depreciation and it makes it worse.
Same goes for a gas engine/transmissions
@@gamingwitharlen2267 EVs lose about 2-3% of range per year. Gas engines are much cheaper to replace as well. Buying a used ICE car will less than 100k miles is still expensive . EV resale value is terrible even with low mileage.
@@LV-1969 Most ice cars only last till 100k miles while evs lose closer to 1-2% a year.
@@gamingwitharlen2267 if you take care of an ICE vehicle they will last a long time. My wife and I buy new cars every 10 years (one new car every 5 years) and they have all gone over well over 100K and I get a decent trade in too. But we buy Toyotas...
Same goes for an ev@@LV-1969
The biggest contributor to failure in sales of these EV is the price of these cars! The Chevy Bolt seems to be selling because of the price is what most people can afford, especially coming out of a pandemic! Even lots of gas cars aren’t selling as well as they should because of the price! Tesla sells very well in Northern California because of price reductions and rebates! Time tested support is big plus for buyers!
A big part of the California EV are factors. The artificially high cost of gasoline. High fuel taxes. State future EV mandates. Federal and State income tax breaks for EV buyers. California only car smog testing standards that pushes otherwise reliable older cars off the road. Long commutes to work because of high housing costs pricing people of home closer to work. And more…
Warm places will buy these cars but cold places will not no electric grid area to charge up here or around me any were ...
Tbh evs are falling in value a lot so soon they will be in the $20-27k range.
Price and reliability, they are currently junk
no surprise with such asking prices
I just got a vehicle three months ago and the cost of EV models were 2-3 times the price of a gas car. I couldn’t afford it.
Depends on what you want to buy.
In the rang numbers, they never factor in accessories on like A/C or heaters plus headlights and sound systems, it all ads up. I live in Canada and our winters are cold and long, these EVs are only good (barely) for short commutes in the big cities.
I'm curious which EV you own that gets such poor range. Or maybe you're just repeating things you've heard and don't really know what you're talking about? Range is hurt by cold, no doubt. But, it isn't only good for "short" commutes in the big cities. I live in the northern US and own a Tesla. I regularly make long trips in my Tesla in the winter, no problems. Having said that, I stay along the interstate where there are plenty of Tesla chargers. If I lived in the middle of a rural area without a charging infrastructure, and would have to rely on my home to charge the car, then yes, I'd be limited. Hopefully, we'll someday see a much better charging infrastructure as sales increase.
Can you say "Range Anxiety " is real
I have a plug-in hybrid … driving on ELectricity is nice in warm weathers and when I am just driving the car. However in cold weathers the batteries lose half the range. Also I have to drive once or twice a week with a horse trailer. I can never do that with an EV.
I don't want an EV either. But I will be looking at hybrids. Why? Because the engine charges the battery, and the MPG is good. My neighbor has a Mitsubishi Outlander hybrid, and loves it. He gave me a ride, and I may go buy one soon.
THE RENT IS TOO DAMN HIGH for EVs
$2000/month rent. $2000/month EV car payment. It's just money.
Some people have to learn the hard way.
that this is all due to government regulation and money printing.
you mean dealerships need to stop the stupid "market adjustments" that make a 50k car 100k or more just because its electric and they dont make any money on maintenance.
@@GNMi79 that sounds like a dealership problem, not mine. especially when i can buy a car and have it deliverd in front of my house without even getting off my couch. seems like the dealerships need to reinvest into delivering something that is worth it otherwise they dont deserve to survive. that is how capitalism works.
@@GNMi79 they are not doing that because brands are legally barred from selling direct. Thank the dealerships for making up that law. Tesla sued very hard to be able to sell cars in many states without dealerships. So its not becasue people dont want to do it but because car companies are not legally allowed to do so.
@@GNMi79 because tesla filed millions worth in lawsuits and has a exemption just like rivian. the other car makers are locked in by dealerships for the next decade or so even if the law changed.
It's not the same story everywhere. In Quebec (Canada), EV sales are not following demand. For example 77% of all Mazda MX-30 are sold in Québec. Québec also leads the country in volume, with of 40% of all ZEV registrations in Canada.
I drive a Skoda Enyaq, coming from a diesel SUV (VW Tiguan), I live in Spain. When people ask me how it is to drive an EV I just answer with 2 data: 25k kms per year I've been doing for the last 30 years with diesels cars and 6k kms per year I do with my EV. Why? You can go nowhere, not enough chargers out of the city and if you find one, it takes forever to charge. The Skoda is a marvel to drive but you can simply drive it nowhere! Im only using it to go to work, getting out of the city is always a very stressful experience, always... For me the EV experience is over, my next car: petrol hybrid.
Here in the UK, I think EV's are a bit like smart meters......Good idea at the time but people are waking up to the fact, that if it aint broke don't fix it. I think EV's will eventually come good but currently they make no sense. I've just ordered a "petrol" seat ibiza. Dealer says 6 month wait until delivery. Supply and demand as usual.
It is interesting to note that both the Hyundai Ioniq 5 and EV6, which share the same platform as the GV60, are selling well. However, despite the GV60 being a more aesthetically pleasing vehicle, it appears to have exceeded the price range that most people are willing to pay for it.
Still, their sales volumes are a drop in the bucket compared to ICE vehicles.
Considering price, charging considerations and availability EVs aren't for everyone. I love NY Tesla but don't have monthly payments to look forward to either.
Also limited dealers I guess only 1 of em in my country
@@FrVitoBe Check w/Tesla. They deliver without dealers.
Yeah, I test drove quite a few GV60s, Ioniq 5s, and EV6s and I found them all pretty similar (obviously they share parts suppliers), but ended up getting a GV60 at a liquidation sale for a great price. The GV60 is kind of at an awkward place, priced high enough to invite comparisons to luxury brands (and high-end Teslas) but not established enough to fare very well in those comparisons unless you’re pretty price-discriminating. That is, you have to want the features and the build quality but not badly enough to pay for the competition.
The problem auto makers have is that when someone does a survey about how likely people are to buy an EV, the vast majority of the people who respond that they are likely to buy one are only interested in a Tesla.
By discontinuing the Fusion and Mustang, Ford is pretty much kicking themselves in the nuts.
The only EV I'm interested in buying is the Aptera. I have an order reservation for one & hope to be driving it in 2024.
The price ford wants for the lightning had me out the door in short order, even though they had three in stock. I expected to pay more for an EV but not that much more. I went for a Hyundai Ionic 5 with a tow package.
Have fun when Hyundai hits you with that $60k quote to replace the battery pack.
Everything got marked up. it really pissed off Ford and GM. They want dealers to keep away from EVs after that. But state laws keep dealers in play.
Battery is guaranteed for 10 years. @@nodak81
Are you talking about the USA? Here in Quebec Canada we still have a long waiting list.
I live in eastern Washington state. I have seen a few Leafs, and a couple of Mach E's on the road. Mostly it's a Tesla.