Christian Claims The Quran Is Historically Plagiarised! Muhammed Ali
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Barakallahu fiik brother
بارك الله فيك يا أخي
youre stopping the people at the right moment so they cant corrupt the listeners by building arguments on inconsistant ground
This guy is talking about history that pharaoh didn’t drown go read the book titled “Bible Science and the Quran “ and this specific subject made Maurice Bucaille become a Muslim
Rob talk parallel since first, why you said rob doesn't mention parallel from the first time?
If the Quran copied the bible it would copy its mistakes and its portrayal of the prophets.
@@tbishop4961 Works rejected by Rabbis? 😂
Since when did Rabbis start affirming or denying Christian Apocryphas?
@@atefseikh I mean when rabbis can argue and win against god according to them what else can't they do?
@@tbishop4961 same if It copied works that were rejected by the rabbis it would also copy their mistakes plus where did the quran get all the correct info that was not in bible nor the books rejected by rabbis
Exactly. جزاك اللهُ خيرًا
@@tbishop4961 Chief Rabbi of Medina accepted islam among other Jews
Moses: Hear O Israel, Lord, our God is one.
Jesus: Hear O Israel, Lord, our God is one.
Muhammad: Say: God is One.
Peace be upon them all.
@@tbishop4961 1 Means 1 or 1 means 3 in 1 and 1 in 3?
@@tbishop4961 no on understands the term ''One'' except for christians. The israelites misunderstood, Jesus misunderstood, 300 years of early christians misunderstood.
It's only 300+ years (council of constantinople 381) after jesus that, in paganism entrenched bishops came together and finally figured out the nature of God.
@@tbishop4961 We need holy Ghost to understand what “One” means right?
@@tbishop4961 To christians one means three!
@@tbishop4961 It is relevant because the Shema clearly spells out that God is ONE.
If Trinity were true, why didn't God use clear unambiguous words like one in three persons leaving no room for later human inference or interpretation.
Trinity is a fourth century Greco-Roman speculative doctrine.
I am a Muslim revert. When I went on the search for the purpose of life and my existence, I went on this journey with a open heart and sincerely wanting to know. After sitting in churches, temples, mandars, gurdwaras and talking to people about why are we here on earth for? I found conflicting answers, confusion and much contradictions. When I bought my own English translation (muhsin translation) I knew 100% I had come home, back to my creator. Alhamdulillah!
So in a nutshell, search with a clean slate.
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@@MohamedMohamed-tr2rz اللهم بارك.
The Palestinian was white from the Crete. No mention of any Palestinian, of any Arabic prophet Muhammad from Ismael, of Mecca, of black stone…. In the Quran. Islam is a fabrication.
According to the Quran what is the purpose of life?
@@vanessac0382 Hi, Allah says: And I (Allah) created not the jinns and humans except they should worship Me (Alone). 51:56
It is He Who has created you from a single person (Adam), and has given you a place of residing (on the earth or in your mother's wombs) and a place of storage [in the earth (in your graves) or in your father's loins]. Indeed, We have explained in detail Our revelations (this Quran) for people who understand. 6:98
O mankind! Be dutiful to your Lord, Who created you from a single person (Adam), and from him (Adam) He created his wife [Hawwa (Eve)], and from them both He created many men and women and fear Allah through Whom you demand your mutual (rights), and (do not cut the relations of) the wombs (kinship). Surely, Allah is Ever an All-Watcher over you. 4:1
I sincerely hope these verses help to guide your heart. All the best with your journey.
I read the Quran to learn. I had no idea I would become Muslim. It’s almost scary to me that someone could read the Quran and not believe in it. But as Allah ta Ala says, He covers their eyers and ears and heart so they will never believe. Sad more than scary.
Sad story that your god creates a person, makes sure they don’t believe in the Quran and then sends them to hell for it? Yeah id agree
@@FW.Xemnas What's your point? Is it that Allah created man and should have created them all to go to Heaven? Where is the free will in that? If you don’t believe at least you know why. Take some joy in that. You get to tell yourself it’s not your fault, Allah created you this way. Satan too blames Allah for his disobedience. You two have something in common.
@@FW.Xemnasthey aren’t sent to hell. Don’t confuse Christianity and Islam. God gave us free will. If they never get the true message they’re judged differently. If they choose to disbelieve after learning the truth then they’re in trouble.
MashaAllah. Mabrook. On your ticket to heaven!
@@asifquayum Insha Allah. Thank you.
He is claiming to be a data scientist, yet he doesn't know the first thing about mathematical logic (something you study in first and second year of university before becoming a data scientist in 4th year or 3rd depending on the university).
To prove an implication is wrong you have to bring one counter example.
To prove an implication is true you have to prove all the possible examples.
In the discussion the implication is that the Quran copied from apocrypha
to prove this is true you have to prove every story in the Quran is copies to prove this is wrong you have to bring one counter example.
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@@frankly.speaking the Quran claims that it is the word of god and that it’s all true in its entirety.
So you either believe in the whole thing or not. There is no in between. If you really care to find out if it’s true then I suggest you read it and then go do your own honest research. Otherwise, it’s easy to just twist things and question anything in our world. So if you’re not serious then just let it go don’t believe in it and don’t waste your time or ours.
@@frankly.speaking you do realise that there will be historical and geographical evidences that will never be found. Therefore it would be impossible for one to seek 100% historical and geographical evidences for every claim the Qur'an makes. Therefore, you would need to go down another route to figure out whether the Qur'an is revelation from God. Going down the first route will never benefit you, even if you were able to provide historical and geographical proofs for every single historical claim made.
80% of our oceans are undiscovered/unmapped. Just a proof of how far away we are from being all knowing about our own planet, let alone its history and geographical occurances. Delusion at its finest.
And if he was a data scientist he would know not to trust a scripture and believe it to be the word of god when it has been proven time and again to have been changed and corrupted, that we don’t have manuscripts to the time when it was written, that we don’t know who authored or have a chain of an unbroken chain of transmission to the author, contains factually incorrect information, and that has parts that clearly contradicts itself
He is the most eloquent waffler I've ever heard
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As said in Surah Baqarah: "Deaf, dumb and blind, and they do not understand". This guy is an example of many like him. But we can only pray to Allah so that they may see the righteous path and start following it.
Ihdinas siratl mustaqeen. Ameen
Deceitful people can not ever answer a simple yes, or no. They are very evasive.
SubhanAllah 1 minute in the video and I already have a 'deceitful' vibe from him
The issue here is that Rob has spent a lot of time conducting this thought experiment of his. It has become his baby. So it would be very difficult for him to concede that his experiment has been falsified. Very similar to scientists who refuse to accept their theories are wrong.
On point.
The Quran comes from God ? Which God 🤔
The Bible comes from YAHWEH. Muslims do Not believe in YAHWEH
perfectly put
@@tbishop4961 who has failed and who hasn't will be evident as soon as you taste death
True. He talks in zombie mode
This guy Rob have been to most Muslim stream with the same question hoping to get the different responses. Brother Mohammad just nailed him to the wall with his answers. ZakalAllahu khairan brother.
Jazakallah
@@TheWatchmanWebsite what an absolutely garbage arguments
@@TheWatchmanWebsite lol u didnt see the video, brother muhammad ali has proove that rob cant mention the source that quran claim that pharo claom to be god that not foind in yhe bible and apocrypha, he cant mention any scholar befor prophet muhammad that mention what quran said.
@@TheWatchmanWebsite …you’re making the assumption that the Torah is accurate to judge the Quran against it.
@truthdmchannelwebsite3714 why would muslim cares anything the bible says? You didn't even know who wrote the book! Imagine that
The guy isn't sincere, he's playing mind games and he isn't smart about it
Rob is trying to sound more intelligent that what he actually is...
@@ayishabehardien6310😂😂
The Christian was calm but his argument and logic was flawed. He just didn't want to accept and kept beating around the bush or going in circles with his reasoning and lack of evidence. Not every historical document or event is preserved in writing from 3,500-4,000 years ago but which is also written in Quran... The quran is a linguistic miracle no human can imitate. If you don't understand Arabic. You'll never truly understand how beautiful and poetic it is with so much depth. It resonates and speaks directly with any individual who is sincere when reading it...
How was it flawed ? Debate me if you dare 😅
Abraham never existed 😅
The Muslim is laughing as he knows the Christian is right. He doesn’t care 😂 Exactly he’s brainwashed from birth to believe, which shows how ignorant Muslims are 😅
@@Sardarji-bq6ojif it makes you feel better you can believe in that
@@ZackCali
Such traditional stories reshape the past so that it remains relevant for the present. The stories of Abraham are not immune to these cultural changes. As a result, we do not know whether Abraham actually existed. But even if he did, many (or most) of the details in the Abraham stories are legendary and not historical.
SARGON VERSUS MOSES
A STORY OF CULTURAL ADOPTION
Our article is about the resemblences of the Legends of Jewish Prophet Moses from the book Exodus and inscriptions about The Great Sargon, the legendary Akkadian King.
Sargon of Akkad (Sargon the Great) who reigned between 2334 to 2279 BCE was the founder of the Akkadian Empire. While he was clearly a brilliant military leader, he told a story about his youth which makes him exterd a powerful influence over the Sumerians he sought to conquer. He tried to represent himself as a man chosen by the gods to rule, he had a humbler image of himself as an orphan. According to the cuneiform inscription known as The Legend of Sargon which is accepted as his biography, he was born the illegitimate son of a "changeling", which could refer to a temple priestess of the goddess Inanna and never knew his father. His mother could not reveal her pregnancy or keep the child, and so she placed him in a basket which she then let go on the Euphrates River. She had sealed the basket with tar, and the water carried him safely to where he was later found by a man named Akki who was a gardener for Ur-Zababa, the king of the Sumerian city of Kish. Creating this legend, Sargon seemed distanced from the kings of the past and he aligned with the common people of the region rather than the ruling elite.
inscription about the birth of Sargon Of
By presenting himself as a "man of the people" within the society in which the class system was fairly rigid, he could garner support of ordinary people. Once he got the south of Mesopotamia under his control, he tried to create the first multi-national empire in history. Because, his reign was not always popular, once he was securely in power, is attested to by the number of revolts he was forced to deal with as described in his inscriptions.
His political situation or Kindom period is not our main subject in this article. What we are focusing in, is the legend about how he was born and raised. Because just as we will see in the legend of Moses, there are resemblences (or with a modern saying ''Copy-Paste'' actions) between two stories, which canalize us to think that the story of Moses was adapted from the story of Sargon.
I know that he never existed actually so it’s easy to go back to Indian history and find “ Abraham “ is from “ Bramha “ and his wife “ Saravista “ 😊
This guy 🙄 "Minor point"
That proved how dishonest he is.
Mohamed Ali is a Lion!
if the Quran is plagiarised why doesn't it also copy the mistakes of the Bible and Torah and why does it correct those scriptures also in history, science etc.
@ⲙⲟⲛⲟⲅⲉⲛⲏⲥ ⲑ̅ⲥ̅ 1. There's is a hadith that references that verse as a way of endearment to attribute a person to a pious person by calling them brethren or sister of so and so.
2. Can you prove OT got it right.
3. Can there be no other person after Harun, called Harun?
@ⲙⲟⲛⲟⲅⲉⲛⲏⲥ ⲑ̅ⲥ̅ BTW are you referring to the same book that has different descendants for Jesus and also names 2 different fathers for Joseph the husband of Mary.
@ⲙⲟⲛⲟⲅⲉⲛⲏⲥ ⲑ̅ⲥ̅ Islam has 3 well know forms of brother hood
1.) brotherhood from Adam or any of his noble descendants pbuh
EX: oh son of adam, oh brother of Muhammad pbuh.
2.) brotherhood by religion
EX: dear brothers and sisters, we must work hard for paradise!
3.) brotherhood by family
EX: Oh son of Abdullah, oh daughter of maryam
This isn’t lying or trying to bounce around. The bible calls jesus son of man but he never gave birth, it was metaphoric to show how dear he was.
The purpose of the verse is to show that she came from either a noble BACKROUND or had a noble BROTHER and her mom and dad were not adulters, so the people were shocked that she had a baby. Had baby isa (Jesus) not spoken to tell the truth she would have been stoned to death as their prophet has brought a script.
@ⲙⲟⲛⲟⲅⲉⲛⲏⲥ ⲑ̅ⲥ̅ Okay so can you tell me who is the father of Joseph, Heli (Luke 3:23) or Jacob (Matthew 1:16)Can you tell me if the women who saw the open tomb told no body (Mark 16:8) or told many (Matthew 28:8)? What about the fact Jesus dies for humanities sins by Deut 24:16 says otherwise, but wait! Exodus 20:5 says that not only will the kids be punished for their parents crime, but also contradicts with Deut and the fact Jesus died for mankinds sins. (Proverbs 12:22) Apparently god hates the lying tongue but he condones lying prophets (First kings 22:23)? In the bible jesus is the word of god, son of god, son of man, and part of the trinity and he is also a prophet. So clearly Jesus is not sinless as he can lie. The WORST OF ALL CONTRADICTIONS IN THE BIBLE IS (Matt 27:46) when Jesus says My god My god why have you forsaken me?! When he was on the cross, but apparently he wanted that and was going to do it.
After the evidence I gave you said it’s a mistake anyway. So then you must also call these a mistake unless your a hypocrite which I’m sure your god doesn’t like. I’m adding this paragraph to my notes to effectively destroy Christian’s.
You joined CZcams only 5 days ago but do you really want this to be your first debate? Out of all things? Yikes 😬.
@ⲙⲟⲛⲟⲅⲉⲛⲏⲥ ⲑ̅ⲥ̅ But how do you know the OT got it right with Miriam in the 1st place. The OT manuscript came 1000+ years after Moses. Where is the original OT manuscript to verify if the OT got the name right. So prove that 1st before saying others are wrong.
We don't need to convince you. You will be accountable for yourself when you die.
Even if the guy is polite and civilized,,, still the discussion he holds is full of empty words
He said he's a Christian, yet said you're following a "Blind Faith" lol come on now!
The irony
He's a 🤡🎈🎪
Exactly!! Total hypocrite.
The audacity ! 😡😤
You guys are cowards how hateful are you all Christians aren’t even rude like this or evil most of those who say those things aren’t real Christian
The guy didn't realise but he was strawmanning his own argument.
@@tbishop4961 When Br. Muhammad shattered his whole premise the guy shifted the goalpost.
His initial argument was Qur'an took Apocryphas as real scriptures but after getting exposed he changed his Argument to, some stories in Qur'an have parallels in Apocryphas.
@@tbishop4961 what was the guy’s argument, go ahead
@@tbishop4961 He literally said it on 3:49
Are you drunk or what?
@@just-some-muslim LOL he literally didn't even listen to the Christians initial argument.
@@tbishop4961 tell me what "apocrypha" means according to your understanding. Oh your guy in this video said he can't accept Islam because of Islam copied another source, but the bible itself copied from Mesopotamia, even christianity adopted pagan. The Bible is full of contradiction, historical and scientific errors. Esther and Mordecai are fiction figure. Never written in any history. Your guy in this video was hypocrite and double standart. Keep your blind faith for yourself. I don't mind if you keep worship a jewish man who cannot save himself from the romans being tortured and got killed let alone to save you. That's your problem not Muslim.
He's just being DISHONEST...... His arrogance won't allow him to accept the truth.😢😢
He is a Liar.....13:34
It's not the eyes that are blind, it's the heart. Even if the evidences are all over around you, if the heart is blind, it won't accept the evidences as the truth.
The problem Rob has is that he takes history from every other non-Islamic source as true and then builds his house on those foundations. So if he finds a historical reference to a certain piece of information, as long as it has pre-dated an Islamic or even Christian claim, he automatically accepts it with no mechanism to define it's authenticity. Rob has no established method of verifying any information nor does he take into account that God (Allah) can reveal information later which contradicts history, so ultimately he will never arrive at any truth as he'll only look at existing and found data.
Well said
Thank you, brother, for that summation. It really puts things into perspective and cleared things out for me. Alhamdulillah. Jazakallahu khair
Well said
مثل بيته كبيت العنكبوت
Yes, he believes in the mistakes in other scriptures, so when he reads the correction in the Quran, he doesn't believe it.
Rob is a "Christian" that don't really believe in the Miracles of God, so it is not surprising that it is hard for him to believe that the Quran is from God.
Rob is an Atheist cloaked in Christian garb. He said on a stream with Rumzi that Adam and Eve wasn't the first humans, they evolved
Don't you know it's YoUr jOb to convince him lol
@@EM.K024 no not really, even a verse came to the prophet telling him that u cant guide people who you pleased with but God guide whom he wills and deserve it with sincere heart. Allahu'alam
Lol how would he historically prove king Herod murdered babies when no other source mentions it except the bible 😂
@@EM.K024 erm are humans God almighty? We can’t guide someone with a snap of a finger 🤦🏾♂️. Subhanallah you modern Christian’s have truly lost the way
This brother is inspiring . How he calmly argue even with idiots. Awesome character.
This Christian brother is waste of time.
Rob is a smart sounding hypocrite.
intelligence without wisdom
Perfectly said 👌
He he don’t, just sounds annoying and nasally
I’m not convinced. Where is your proof and evidence that he’s a hypocrite.
@@Wise__guy You can find the proof with Rob.
Rob’s like a shoplifter trying to explain to the store detective , that he was gonna pay but forgot
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Bingo😂😂♀️🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️
A person who always interrupts conversations, has been warned several times, but still interrupts inappropriately and is not suitable for discussion.
Always respect others when talking to them, and in turn, you will be respected
for you ROB
Light will always overshadow darkness any time any day. May God increase you in knowledge brother Ali. God bless you
This guy is insincere to begin with. On top of that didn't read or research anything. Guy just copying the Christian tactics. And make some meritless claims. What a joke! Mash Allah bro Ali eloquently, logically and rationally deconstructed and demolished guy's outrageous claim.
I think he is looking for attention. He is trying to make a scene and then clip that video put it in his channel.
Agree 💯
@@Mm-ij9il Absolutely. Can't disagree. 👏
What a dork..shame..tried hard but failed ..pffft!
@@Mm-ij9il
True that!!!
It's not the knowledge of brother Muhammed that continues to inspire me. Of course it's very aspirational, but it's the amount of patience he has in the face of people who twist and turn a blind eye to their own arguments every few seconds.
Muslim lantern was lying bro. The verses about Abraham in the Quran don't mention anything about venus, it simply says he saw a star. It was exegetes who said the star was venus. This shows that the knowledge of venus worship was already known, since it doesn't exist in the quran or hadith
@@chantjelly6773 How disingenuous to accuse someone of lying.
the original Arabic word in the Qur'an verse is “كَوْكَبً” which means Planet not Star. You accused him of lying after reading an incorrect English translation.
@@chantjelly6773 what a fail research u did in the arabic language it's says كوكب wich means planet
@@just-some-muslim I checked it in the Saheeh International translation and in Pickthall's translation as well as in a Quran app that I have. All three say star instead of planet. I'm not disputing what you said about it meaning planet in Arabic, but I'm just saying that most people who read translations are likely to only come across it as star. Edit: But regardless even those translations have the following as well - But when it set, he said, "I like not those that set (i.e, disappear)". So this does point to it being a planet even in case the word was mistranslated.
@@just-some-muslim If you actually were educated in classical arabic, you would know that ancient people used this word to mean both stars and planets. In fact the quran uses this word to mean stars all the time, for example in 82:2, 12:4, and most famously 37:6 where it says we have adorned the nearest heaven with stars. It uses the same Arabic word used in the Abraham verse. But sure, keep accusing me of being disingenuous. Perhaps it is time to stop following dawah personalities blindly and realise that some of them are liars.
This channel became my favorite after watching this. I like how you shattered his argument and show how inconsistent he is and with a smile. Love it . ❤
It’s so funny, it’s like they are so sure they will come and win an argument, and then they just squirm and divert when it gets exposed
I've interacted with Rob multiple times now. He is not sincere like he claims to be. His goal is to spread doubt on the Quran. This is the same thing he does every time he comes on to one of these streams.
Why not. The money is good. Come join
@Can Hakkan
Exactly. I saw in one stream that he kept on changing his arguments as the discussion moved along. It is not a surprise at all if anybody call him a liar instead of insincere like what Br Muhammad Ali did in this video.
@@welcometolife4237 😂
@@welcometolife4237 _Why not. The money is good. Come join_
No thanks.
Exactly 💯 Rob sounds insincere from the start and I don’t even know him but believe I am from my experience of dealing with people a good enough judge of character- he wants to prove theories and inaccurate information but doesn’t have any solid backing for them. Simple question Rob- where is the full source of the Quran coming from if it’s not God Himself telling us this if there is no other historical sources out there which claims the exact same things as found in the Quran?
Answer is- no other sources can be found on the earth because it does not exist. Simple!
Why is then Rob being a hypocrite to even answer a basic question?
Answer- because he is a non believer who creates eloquent arguments to deceive the people but in actual reality he is only deceiving himself.
The Quran specifically mentions people like him who may impress you with their words but are non believers and lost.
I pray he finds true guidance from God otherwise he will remain truly deluded and in the dark
As a computer scientist I highly doubt that he is a data scientist since he doesn't know the basics of formal logic.
He's a chatgpt data scientist 😂
As an aspiring computer scientist I hope he isn’t either😢
Omg u should look it up then take it back
This guy is lost in his own question. And yes the pharaoh was drowned.
Pls tell them if they don't have source, they should not attack. Teach them consistency.
Look at the bodylanguage of Rob, when Mohammed catch his tactics, the corners of his lips go up, and he has a hard time to hide his smile, knowing he was caught.
For Rob,
Ramses II the Egyptian Pharoah during the time of the Prophet Moses (peace be upon him).
Lets do the math:
His body is estimated to be over 3000 years old.
His body was discovered by the Red Sea in 1898.
But the Quran is over 1400 years old.
Furthermore:
No other text tells the story of the Pharaoh drowning.
The Quran narrates the story of Pharaoh's drowning and ensures the safety of his body after his death as to be a Sign to mankind.
Professor Maurice Bucaille couldn't believe his own ears and started to wonder: How can a book existed 1400 years ago speak about the mummy that was only found 111 years ago, in 1898? How can that be possible while the ancient Egyptian heritage was discovered only a few decades ago and no one knew about it before?
Professor Maurice Bucaille sat down pondering on what he was told about the book of Muslims, Holy Quran while his Holy Book (The Bible) narrates only the drowning of Pharaoh without saying anything about his body.
"Is it possible that this mummy in front of me is the one who was chasing Prophet Moses?" "Is it possible that Prophet Muhammad knew this 1400 years ago?"
Professor Maurice Bucaille couldn't sleep that night till they brought him the Old Testament where he read: "And the waters returned, and covered the chariots, and the horsemen, and all the host of Pharaoh that came into the sea after them; there remained not so much as one of them. (Exodus 14:28) But overthrew Pharaoh and his host in the Red sea: for his mercy endureth for ever. (Psalm 136:15) For the horse of Pharaoh went in with his chariots and with his horsemen into the sea, and the LORD brought again the waters of the sea upon them; but the Children of Israel went on dry land in the midst of the sea. (Exodus 15:19)"
Professor Maurice Bucaille was surprised that the Holy Book (The Bible) didn't mention about the destiny of the body and that it will be saved.
When the scientists were done with the mummy, France retuned it to Egypt, but Professor Maurice Bucaille couldn't rest for a moment since he was told that Muslims know about the safety of the body from Holy Quran. So, he decided to travel and meet anatomy Muslim scientists and there he spoke about his discovery of the safety of the mummy after its death in the sea and so on.
One of the Muslim scientists stood up and simply opened Holy Quran and pointed to the Professor at one verse: "We brought the Children of Israel across the sea and Pharaoh and his troops pursued them out of tyranny and enmity. Then, when he was on the point of drowning, he (Pharaoh) said, I believe that there is no god but Him in whom the Children of Israel believe. I am of those who submit (to Allah in Islam). What! Now! And indeed you disobeyed before and you were of the mischief-makers. This day shall We save you in your body, that you may be a Sign to those who come after you! But verily, many among mankind are neglectful of Our Signs." (Holy Quran 10:90-92)
Professor Maurice Bucaille was struck when he read that and immediately stood in front of the crowd and said loudly: "I believe in Islam, I believe in Holy Quran."
Thank you the enlightenment, I was thinking of Prof.Maurice while listening to conversation and you have covered it well. Hope Rob will read it and have a read on Prof.Maurice himself.
JazaakAllah for this
Anyone with an open mind and an open heart and think with clear logic and not afraid of change, wouldn’t believe the Quran was copied from the bible 🤦♂️ because it is ironic, bizarre and irrational to think of such!!!!
How can the Quran be copied from a bible when it was revealed to a man who could not read or write? How come he didn’t copy the mistakes and the contradictions from the bible?
His body wasn't found in the Red Sea though. This comment is based on a false premise.
@@dftknightread properly. Drowned in Red Sea not buried in Red Sea.
Came back to watch this again
Realized how insincere & manipulative Rob was and how patient Muhammad Ali was back then
The current Ali would have concluded the discussion from the moment he sensed Robs insincerity
His is relaying on a book that has been heavily changed right from the beginning and that's the whole problem of christianity.
How do you know it was changed? Where is the original then? What was the original message? This Islam fake news and propaganda meant to undermine the word of God.. This is a proof that God of Bible characters mentioned in it are not the same as these in Koran. The gospel in the bible is about life, death and resurrection of Christ. The one in Koran is just fake since it deny the Jesus death
Rob: "I have genuine questions about the quran"
Those of us who know Rob: "Right buddy" 🤡
Alhamdulillah Muhammad Ali did not allow him to waffle and digress as he literally always does.
haha yes
Where do you guys know him from
@@HA-jq1mu he came on efdawah with the same crap a while back
@@taimur74he sounded genuinely seeking. Only that his heart is not open for it.
If you look at Rob when Brother Muhammad was speaking, you can clearly see he was not listening attentively to everything Muhammad was saying, which is why he was responding in such haphazardly manners. Due to him not listening attentively, he didn’t pick up that Muhammad refuted the whole foundation of his argument. Cause if he did pick up on this, he would simply see he had no argument to stand upon and would accept the validity and uniqueness of the Quran. Simple Subhan’Allah
also in his eyes you can see the hate
In fairness to Rob, he remained calm and composed, and he was not rude. I thought it was a good exchange.
@@Zak-gl4ig I didn’t say he was rude. So you’re responding to a point that was never made due to not attentively reading what I said just as I pointed out Rob did throughout this video.
@@Muhammad-gm5ho Oh, stop. I never said that you said he was rude, so who is being "inattentive" now?
@@Zak-gl4ig Then why would you comment bringing up something I never disagreed with? In order to not waste words, you should have responded to the points I made directly.
you know if i was arguing with someone and before i finished my point the opposing side starts laughing and detailing exactly what i was going to say, id stop talking
Muhammed Ali has a wealth of knowledge and an insane memory MashaAllah.
Just because you have a good English accent and you speak in a soothing manner doesnt mean that you're not just blabbering xD
lol ikr, he's trying to show that yeah I'm calmer than u and I know what I'm talking about lol
rob is ignorant. he only focused on 1 point and refused to see the counter attack points made by brother Muhammad. Brother Muhammad points are very simple and clear. he provides evidences that Quran isn't copying Apocrypha. but Rob just doesn't want to accept brother Muhammad's arguments & stay ignorant.
Hahaha so true!
😂😂 I was thinking the same thing - he acts like he is a intellectual but fails miserably
صحيح 😂😂 جعل من نفسه اضحوكة
اقتنعت اكثر بالاسلام @@Muakib
By the way: rob was asking, what pharaoh died from drowning. Actually Scientist found salt water in the lungs of Rameses II
Historically they don't know who was the Pharaoh. Some say it was Rameses II's father.
@@sycorez yeah this is an issue.
@@sycorez When you marry up the description of this pharaoh in the Quran to the pharaoh Ramses II from the only recent discoveries we’ve made, it’s undoubtedly him
@@LearnFromTheLight Rob can't claim something as a historical certainly when using historians on something that they don't even agree on.
@@sycorez He had to relay on outside his Bible for history when his Bible is full of historical mistakes on this topic
So basically Muhammad PBUH who couldn't read or write with no bible in Arabic version at his time woth almost zero Christian friends basically wrote quran in 23 years , which means Muhammad PBUH carried bible for 23 years and every day said verses of bible , just need an historical evidences?
Rob Robbed himself of a rational conversation. Robbery these days, it needs to stop ! , would you agree Rob ?
Did this guy say he was no longer a Christian. He is acting like one. When he has no answers, he moves to a different subject. This is typical Christian behaviour.
I didn't know he was not actually Chrstian,
but I was just thinking that Chrstians and Athiests are very similar in that they jump from point to point,
denying researchable facts,
and try to create confusion.
“Apparently the Bible is corrupted.”
If this man was genuinely looking for the truth, he’d know that’s a fact. Takes a 5 minute google search to find clear numerical contradictions.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
yah so when around 6:19 The man said im "data driven" I was like (-_-). May Allah swt guide him and us
@@7625e smart people will never buy islam... You have to be happy with Kenny Boomer and Daniel Haqikachu
@@scrunchy7528 you don't need buy.
God and his religion is not for sale.
Christianity is one sale. Believe on Jesus and heaven is yours. A cheap bargain! Eternal heaven is free for you only Believe in one man. Wow. Satan. achieved his goal!!
@@safiul1930 oh but it is... It costs your soul... Didn't you know that... When you say Shahadah you sell your soul... That's why you can't leave Islam and expect to keep your life... Leaving breaks the contract and the punishment is death
الله يعافينا من التكبر و الجهل
جزاكم الله خيراً و نفع بكم يا رب
Well done seeing that coming a mile away; shows how well versed you are ... mashaa' Allah.
If he actually read the Qur'an then i feel sorry for him. May Allah SWT guide him
He claims. Whether he did is something different
You spelled Allah wrong, please edit
@@regularjoe5055 oops. Sorry. Thanks for the heads up
@@SuperFaroekwhy’s it hard to grasp not everyone will convert to Islam after they read Quran
@@steelforge6637
That's because they value their life, family, community more than the truth plus their arrogance. Those who seek the truth of the Quran will grasp the truth with their heart n would not fear the consequences n they leave their fate to Allah.
alhamdulillah for having islam in my family
It's been proven that the pharaoh drowned...
بارك الله فيك الأخ محمد و زادك علما و فهما اخوك من الجزائر
And Egyptologists say there is no 2 million Israelite in exodus. Robs' friends must have forgotten to tell him that. 😂
@@tbishop4961 No he is a christian and accepts OT. He is trying to prove Bible is historically accurate because it is in the Bible:)) but Quran copied somehow from Rosetta Stone, non biblical sources etc...
@@tbishop4961 this is not about Christians, this is about him specifically
@@tbishop4961 didn't you hear what Rob said about Moses being called elohim? A rhetorical device for pharaoh? Why would a myth use rhetorics?
@@tbishop4961 you argue about fairytales? Got nothing to do?
@@tachikoma7757 it’s pathetic how they all flock to Brother Mohammad’s channel, yet when offered the ability to articulate their points and challenge the notions directly, back out from joining the stream.
Masha'Allah, Rob looks clearly shaken and nervous in front of brother Ali. I love you brother Ali for the sake of Allah.
@ⲙⲟⲛⲟⲅⲉⲛⲏⲥ ⲑ̅ⲥ̅
Your bible is polluted by human hands... Everything you believe, is man-made.
@@onlybegottenGod: God died??? Yeah, what a moron belief.. 😂
@ⲙⲟⲛⲟⲅⲉⲛⲏⲥ ⲑ̅ⲥ̅ 1+1+1 = 3 not 1 u worship 3 Gods so shhh
@ⲙⲟⲛⲟⲅⲉⲛⲏⲥ ⲑ̅ⲥ̅ Wow! didn't know they were playing a reaction game seeing each other's facial expressions. Wahh... just wahh! Be proud of what you've got! 😂
@@Non-Prophetthis is pathetic
No source, no trust. Rob's heart is closed and only came in to argue. Rob is the blind one.
Lol. SubhanAllah... I talked to this guy Yesterday about this same topic. Even after 7months, he still hold these same views
Rob is so calm and yet so full of nonsense. Keep it up Rob. You really entertain us.
At least he's clam and polite and not aggressive unlike so many other Christians when they start losing an argument they begin to talk louder and become aggressive
@@Mohammed_Alytbh both types are infuriating. This man has no shame whatsoever he lies through his teeth
He is not calm he is being "DHEET", someone translate in English plz
@@roohichaudhary977 The word "Dheet" in English means "Barefaced" and in Urdu script, it is written as "ڈھیٹ". Similar words to dheet are commonly used in daily conversations, such as Na pasheemani, and Sulabat. The synonym for dheet is " Audacious, Bald, Bold-faced, Brassy and Brazen".
According to google
@@Mohammed_Alyfrom what i’ve seen most muslim debaters are the ones who start getting “passionate” loud and obnoxious. when debating anyone who disagrees.
lies, deceits, deflections, ignorance, hypocrisy, disingenuous. Very typical of christian apologetic. He literally got no answers to all the questions & no real sound genuine evidences to back up his claims.
Maurice Bucaille was assigned with examining Ramsis II mummy in France. He found sand in his mouth. A Muslim helper told him that the Hadith describes as he drowned the angel Gabriel put sand in his mouth to stop him from saying something that would grant him mercy from God. He also told him that though Moses 's Pharaoh drowned, the Quran says God saved his body, which was not written anywhere earlier. This was the reason Maurice Bucaille became Muslim. He was a personal friend of my father in law and revealed that he was more keen on people reading his book The bible the Quran and Science than knowing he was Muslim. He also revealed that Jack Cousteau was Muslim.
19:01
MA: “Let’s not start interrupting each other”
MA from beginning to end:
*Interrupting Rob every other sentence*
Had this very hypocrite on my stream just the other day lol 😑
When they say “Trinity is a mystery”, then you know they are ‘trained and programmed’ to use that as an excuse to not explain it.
How does he even claim to be scientific?
Brother Muhammad is a mountain of knowledge alhamdulillah
Hard to debate or discuss with HYPOCRYTE! Thx to brother M Ali, we us muslim proud of you.. salam from Indonesia.🙏
I am annoyed by people who think that mankind will find evidence for everything and has the capacity to understand everything. Really tired of such people. The arrogance is unbearable.
We are given the evidence. How can you reject when it’s right in your face?
@@savesheikhjarrah1480 you should be careful with your words, I am not rejecting. Use your head and not your behind to understand what people write. I am obviously talking about scientific evidence that atheists always expect. some muslims are even more annoying than atheists.
@@savesheikhjarrah1480I think he means scientific, rationalistic evidence, since that's all modernity cares about anymore.
This point cannot be understated. It's a symptom of a materialistic worldview, which is the sole basis of modern epistemology. Science or nothing lol
Past time for you take a long, very long slow hard look in the mirror, if you have capacity for self reflection that is, your own arrogance suggests not.
The Quran challenges itself very successfully, however, with ostracising, bullying, intimidation, torture, even death sentences sharia has spread and frightened people in to a cult mentality for centuries, leaving behind countless civil wars and millions dead, millions of unwanted orphans, what a strange deity to create such agendas.
1) From what substance were humans made from?
a) Water (Quran 21:30)
b) Dry clay (Quran 15:26)
c) Nothing (Quran 19:67)
2) How long is one day according to Allah?
a) 1 day is equivalent to 1000 years ( Quran 22:47)
b) 1 day is equivalent to 50,000 years (Quran 70:4)
3) Who said this "He is a skilled magician!" ?
a) The elders of Pharaoh's people (Quran 7:109)
b) Pharaoh (Quran 26:34)
4) How long did it take to destroy the Aad tribe?
a) One day (Quran 54:19)
b) Several days (Quran 41:16)
5) Did Noah’s son drown?
a) All of Noah’s family survived (Quran 21:76)
b) Noah’s son drowned (Quran 11:43)
6) How many mothers does one have?
a) One ( Quran 58:2)
b) A plurality (Quran 33:6)
7) Was Jonah cast on the shore?
a) Yes (Quran 37:145)
b) No (Quran 68:49)
8) Does Allah lead people astray?
a) No (Quran 9:115)
b) Yes (Quran 14:4)
9) How many surahs does Allah require to prove that the Quran is not forged?
a) One (Quran 10:38)
b) Ten (Quran 11:13)
10) Will do disbelievers receive their judgment book on Qiyamah?
a) On their back (Quran 84:10)
b) On the left hand (Quran 69:25)
11) How many angels helped Muhammad at Badr?
a) 3000 angels ( Quran 3:124)
b) 1000 angels (Quran 8:9)
12) How many of Thamud killed the divine she-camel?
a) One (Quran 54:29)
b) Several (Quran 7:77)
13) How long does it take to wean?
a) 30 months (Quran 46:15)
b) 24 months, 2 years (Quran 31:14)
14) Does Allah change or abrogate his words?
a) No (Quran 10:64)
b) Yes (Quran 2:106, 16:101)
15) So how many creators are there?
a) Allah is only creator (Quran 40:62)
b) Allah is the best among creatures (Quran 23:14)
16) What happens to mountains on Qiyamah?
a) Become like wool (Quran 70:9)
b) Disappear (Quran 78:20)
17) How many trumpets will be blown on Qiyamah?
a) Two (Quran 79:7)
b) One only (Quran 69:13)
18) When did Pharoah command the killing of the babies?
a) When Moses was a prophet (Quran 40:25)
b) When was Moses a baby (Quran 20:39)
19) Can one bow before anyone but allah?
a) Only Allah (Quran 22:18)
b) To Adam (Quran 2:34)
20) How long did Allah take to create the heavens and the earth?
a) Total 6 days (Quran 10:3)
b) Total 8 days : Earth- 2 days, Heavens- 2 days, Mountains- 4 days (Quran 41:9-12)
Good work May Allah bless you !
Man you're not letting him speak I didn't even get his point! 😅
I like how brother Hamza usually refutes these types of argument where they claimed that prophet Muhammad (ﷺ) is a liar and just copied stories as if somehow the Prophet and the Arabs at that time had a huge library or scholars to even access these stories to begin with. Even historians agree with the Muslims because they've actually done their research into the Arabs at the time.
Rob is just insincere and he's been that way ever since I saw him on DawahWise (then The Muslim Cowboy, EFDawah). He never wanted to understand the Qur'an and the challenge of the Qur'an.
He did copy stories twisted them and he married a child of six and dont dare to say thats how it was then bcs it still happens and only muslims blow themselves up to get 72 virgins
why would you need a huge library?
@@pandawandasApocryphals, Bibles, translations, references and biographies etc.
Mind you in a land full of pagans, these information were scarce. They only cared about arabic poetry.
@@abdalla6732 this is directly contradicted by the Quran, where people in the Qur'an say that they've heard all these stories before and that they can produce something like it and that this is nothing special.
@@pandawandas Heard a story is different than having a collection of biblical archives. Let alone all the necessary translations. There were literally no arabic translations of the bible.
Rob has been shown up in several live streams with Muslims. Imran at EF Dawah. He was also on the Muslim Cowboy stream and said he doesn't believe in miracles and that the Resurrection of Jesus was a natural and not a supernatural event.
He talks about geographical locations, yet many times the Bible has been mistaken here. Same with historical events and scientific events.
This guy doesn’t even have the common decency to let someone speak. He doesn’t want to learn or hear any other voice than his own.
I don’t understand how this Rob guy thinks that not having other historical sources claiming that the Pharaoh of Moses drowned is evidence that it is untrue. There are countless civilizations, details, facts etc… that History did not know or could not confirm for years and then eventually came to know through archaeological discoveries or breakthroughs in technology or decoding previously unknown languages etc… , Indus Valley Civilization , Gobekli Tepe, Easter Island civilization, Heraclion/Thonis, Hasankeyf, Caral… & I could go on and on and on. Does Rob think that all archaeological/historical discoveries are finished and that there is nothing else left to discover?
And the waters returned, and covered the chariots, and the horsemen, and all the host of Pharaoh that came into the sea after them; there remained not so much as one of them. [Exodus 14.28]
How can Rob blatantly lie about the drowning not existing in the bible.
He lies and twists often.
Yeah I saw multiple documentaries of Christians looking for the chariots of the pharaoh.
So it's actually in the Bible. Wow, such a pathetic lier...
Exodus 15:19
When Pharaoh’s horses, chariots and horsemen went into the sea, the Lord brought the waters of the sea back over them, but the Israelites walked through the sea on dry ground.
This verse seems to indicate that the Bible account does have him drowned. But due to translation issues in how something is translates some say it is not refering to the personal horse.
Based on what I've read it is Christian position on whether he drowned or not isn't clear cut. It is also unknown who the Pharaoh was. The Bible doesn't give a name either so Rob's point here is actually moot. Rob is being devious here as he claims the Bible says one thing when it isn't clear cut then asserts that Rameses II is the Pharaoh of the time of Moses. Neither are actually proven.
Lying is permissible halal in Christianity to spread the religion Philippians Chapter 1verses 18
The moment he kept dragging his questions in such way... He's really coming off as disingenuous.
He even smiled when Brother Muhammed caught him on where he's going with it.
بارك الله فيكم...
اللهم اغفر لوالدينا و ارحمهما و اجمعنا معهما في الفردوس الأعلى مع الأنبياء و الشهداء و الصالحين و جميع موتى المسلمين..
اللهم احقن دماء المسلمين و انصرهم على من عاداهم..
رب إني مسني الضر و أنت أرحم الراحمين...
لا إله إلا أنت سبحانك إني كنت من الظالمين.....
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بارك الله فيكم...
اللهم اغفر لوالدينا و ارحمهما و اجمعنا معهما في الفردوس الأعلى مع الأنبياء و الشهداء و الصالحين و جميع موتى المسلمين..
اللهم احقن دماء المسلمين و انصرهم على من عاداهم..
رب إني مسني الضر و أنت أرحم الراحمين...
لا إله إلا أنت سبحانك إني كنت من الظالمين.....
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Good conversation and respect both. May Allah SWT gives us guidance
He is constantly deflecting, shows insincerity
Rob in another stream once told people of Ibrahim pbuh didnt have the technology of fire.
Lmao
Really?
Allah is sufficient for me and Muslims ❤
the audacity of rob... kept drifting away from the argument
as always, im amazed by the patience of muslim lantern
Thanks for posting the video. Learned a lot. Robs argument was dismantled so beautifully by Muhammed. He already knew Rob wasn’t being sincere .
We need more Christian’s to come and discuss . Muhammed has a wealth of information.
When do you do live streams?
I quite enjoyed this conversation and learned alot. Mashalah Muhammad Ali has a good wealth of knowledge and strong rationality behind it. insha'Allah I hope to gain this level of knowledge at some point
You did? I personally thought it was a waste of time, tbh.
@@chinesecovidanalswabs4752 In what way?
@@chinesecovidanalswabs4752I agree, it was a waste of time. The premise on which that guy Rob built his argument on was destroyed so easily it's not even worth mentioning. But he kept waffling as his premise wasn't just shattered a min ago. Typical Christian behaviour, I'd argue.
@@-AEON-u said what I was struggling how to say it 😂
Thanx bro
@@OmvrAbdelraouf You're welcome. These Christians can be extremely funny most of the time with their intellectual bankruptcy, but some like this Rod-I mean Rob is just like... A irritating "Rod" sticking out of the mud, too stuck in it's place you can't pull it out. Sometimes you have to break it and leave a portion inside the ground to make the place look nice again.
He tried it... Wasn't the smoking gun he thought it was! 😂 And only 2 examples, he went EASY on him. Alhamdulillah 🙌🏽
Finally i have accepted Christianity and out of Islam. This religion and its scholars never seemed honest to me in my life time growing up in Pakistan. I believe internet will be the death of islam in coming years
When brother Ali said "im 10 steps ahead" was such a boss move 😂😂
Great way to say he was never planning on answering, his 10th step was to say "I don't have to prove anything because it's in the quran" 😂😂😂😂
How can Christians follow a religion not taught by Jesus but by Paul who never met Jesus?
Why would Paul need to meet Jesus in person?
You've never met Muhammad but still believe in what he taught.
Paul a rencontré Jésus sur le chemin de Damas
@@J040PL7because Jesus would be a primary source of information just like how our prophet Mohammed was ?
Paul is a person who never met jesus in his life. And he was undermining other’s who were doing the same work as him just so that he could gain influence with the church
@@suggondees4882 you've never met Muhammad either. Did you even read the comment?
@@J040PL7we hv whole life history of prophet muhammad and His companions who lived in his lifetime... Who actually know his message and conveyed islam...
Desciples of Isa remained in jerusilum to convey the message while paul went to gentiles while he didnt actually gained the message.. Infact we have history that the desciples of isa faught paul cuz he wasnt spreading the teachings of Isa... But curch developed the methods of paul later on... Even for the divinity of Isa and concept of trinity there were arguments for centuries..
Think logically.. Would you rather to gain the message directly from the companions of Isa(A.S) or a random person who claimed that he met Isa(A.S) on his way once or twice...
Not to say that the text is corrupted and there are multiple contradictions in new testement.
You have to be truthful in the first place if you are searching for truth
Man tried and failed.
MashaAllah brother, may Allah give you strength and pro-long your life.
During an interview with Angelika Neuwirth, the distinguished Professor of Qur’anic studies, she argued that the Qur’an has never been successfully challenged by anyone, past or present:
"No one has succeeded, this is right… I really think that the Qur’an has even brought Western researchers embarrassment, who were not able to clarify how suddenly in an environment where there were not any appreciable written text, appeared the Qur’an with its richness of ideas and its magnificent wordings."
@Mary Magdalene what is your point by writing this???
And that’s clearly what allah almighty says in the Quran. : { Then do they not reflect upon the Qur'an? If it had been from [any] other than Allah, they would have found within it much contradiction.}
And allah says : ( This is the Book about which there is no doubt, a guidance for those conscious of Allah -)
@Mary Magdalene …. Read the verses before it. It’s a point of reflection that the pagan arabs had that is being referred to. Again its only 8 verses into the chapter so it shouldn’t be a long read, so read the previous verses for context.
Basically the verse is referring to pagan arabs asking “has he (i.e Mohammed pbuh) made the gods (up to 360 idols/gods the arabs at the time which were pagans worshipped) [just] one God? Indeed this is a strange/curious thing”
Hope this clarifies things
@Mary Magdalene Don't you think reading only one verse before this verse will clarify everything? Why is it really hard for you to do so? Every Muslim that read your comment will ridicule you. "The pagans are astonished that a warner has come to them from among themselves (The pagans demanded an angel to deliver the message, not a human being like themselves.) And the disbelievers say, “This is a magician, a total liar. Has he (Muhammad) reduced ˹all˺ the gods to One God? Indeed, this is something totally astonishing.” Pagans were talking, the verses are reflecting on what pagans said. Simple. Read it yourself rather than picking some random "mistakes" from websites
@Mary Magdalene Did I ever misread a verse from the bible? Have I ever talk to you? Do you even know me? Why are you making such nonsense arguments and claims? And no, I always take the entire scripture or verse, or at least read 10 verses before and after just to make sure it is within context. This is what sincere people should do. And I apologize if I sound rude or something, that wasn't the intention.
Alhumdulillah, May Allah continue to Give you victory brother Muhammed.
Aameen
See how intellectual our Muslim brother answering all the questions from all shape and form from all non Muslim everywhere. All the knowledge and details are amazing
Well done brother … well presented ❤
In the words of Dutch scholar, Christiaan Snouck Hurgronje, a professor of the Arabic language in the University of Leiden, Holland and a pioneer in the scientific study of Islam:
“The league of nations founded by the Prophet of Islam put the principle of international unity and human brotherhood on such universal foundations as to show candle to other nations”. He continues: “The fact is that no nation of the world can show a parallel to what Islam has done toward the realization of the idea of the league of Nations”.
May Allah increase your knowledge, brother Muhammad and may HE also bless you with a long and healthy life.
Did he really say that claiming to be God isn't significant?