Bodum's Metal Filter: As Good As Paper?
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- čas přidán 10. 07. 2020
- #Bodum says its #pourover device with a stainless steel filter "eliminates the need for paper filters." Is this coffee maker really good enough to replace the Hario V60 or Kalita Wave? It would be a money saver if so. But does it work as advertised? In this video, I test their claims.
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Thanks for the questions and suggestions. I just want to clarify that Hario's filter number refers to size. There are different flow characteristics based on where they're made: the slowest are the ones made in Europe; middle-speed are the ones from Japan with the half-moon tab, and the fastest are the ones from Japan without a tab, white or brown, which I show in the vid.
I use a #4 cone filter in the bodum pour over and am pleased with the coffee produced
Me also. Bodum is a wonderful system. My guess is this man is confused. The bloom phase is so important.
GREAT video! Casual but informative! thanks for this.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Good video.....But Bodum rocks......I use it every day . It’s not for the novice as water just pours out if not done correctly.But with careful center pour it delivers a better cup. Practice makes perfect ....
Good point. I might revisit the Bodum in a few months' time.
Thanks for the review!!! So appreciate it.
Any time!
Excellent video, hope you continue.
I will; actually posted a couple since this one.
Very informative video with lots of insights.
Glad it was helpful!
I stumbled across your channel after looking up information on my Bodum, that has been in my cabinet so long that I forgot how to use it. Then I proceeded to watch many other of your videos. Soo much I did not know. Thanks! New sub.
Thank you as a graduate student mainlining coffee their last semester. Bought a goose-neck kettle because it's most likely cheaper than getting filters. Cheers!
Awesome Video!
Great points made too Xx
Happy int Coffee Day from Melbourne!!!! 😃
Thanks. Same to you from Dublin :)
I love that. People make measurements for everything but experience will always be better
And I'll continue to do measurements thank you very much. I like having a consistently good cup and if I change up my brew, I have a reliable way to track it and make the proper adjustments if necessary. Plus I find it the whole process enjoyable and therapeutic.
I bought this prematurely for $20 thinking it was basically a Chemex, sorely mistaken. Aeropress and French press are my go-tos but you answered the questions that mattered about this. Now I can try to get some use out of it. Great info on the brewing, thanks!
At least you didn't overpay :)
Same here
Found the small one for €2.50 in my local second-hand/charity-shop and I don’t expect anything better than my French Press.
I also hastily bought this for my initial foray into pour over. I thought I was doing something incorrectly with my grinds since my extractions were muddy and harsh. So I tried a paper filter and discovered the flow rate becomes inconsistent because air is trapped below the filter and the are no exhaust channels in the glass - unlike the single channel on the Chemex or the spiral channels on the Hario v60. So I placed a reusable metal straw inside, stabilizing it against the pouring spout, and then placed my paper filter. Finally, this produced a nice clean extraction. While it’s a pretty piece of glass, I think it’s time to try the Hario v60.
I've had good luck with using a #4 filter inside the metal basket with my Bodum, however I've never had coffee from a chemex or v60 so I don't have much for comparison
Excellent video, thank you
Thank you :)
Great video! Gonna try using the V60 filter now!!
You should!
Thanks, really good video, but like other commenters I'm watching this after buying the Bodum. Question: does a pointed filter like the V60 work ok in the Bodum or should I look to get a filter with a flat base? Also is #4 or #2 the best size?
You can easily fold the bottom of a Hario filter to make it fit better. I use Hario #2 size with my 1L Bodum.
@@wiredgourmet I use Melitta Size 4 filter papers in mine. I put them ion the metal filter basket
Crazy. After dealing with French press for years and years, I love the newer Bodum pour over. To each his own.
I tried some Melita 102 filters and they don't seem to fit very well, I don't have V60 filters but given the conical shape I don't think they'd fit well either?
I'm going to try #2 filters to see if they fit any better, but the shape of the metal mesh seems to be uniquely designed for this.
What I did try though were cloth filters, they do fit fine inside of the chamber and look nice. I also tried using a Melita plastic filter but they don't fit well and is sort of hanging round in there. This is basically a very beautiful and cheap piece of glass that is not really useful in practice? Even for pouring the coffee it makes a mess and has very little precision wtf.
I don't recommend Melitta filters; they have a strong chemical taste to me. Hario #2 v60 papers will fit fine if you fold the pointy end over, making a truncated cone. There's a shot of me doing that in the recent Chemex video, around 12 mins 35 secs in.
Literally looked for this because I bought this exact product
Hope you're getting on with it OK now.
For your pots, in general, do you have to measure the amount of water prior to boiling to know how much water your pot eill hold? I notice you keep pouring in water into the pot . . . You have to use up all the coffee on top, right? I have every kind of pot imaginable (i love my vacuum pot) but i never know what is "standard" for "whoever" says "here is the perfect cup of coffee. I realize its all your own preference, but just once - i want to drink a perfect cup of coffee. Thanks for the great info! ❤
My biggest difficulty is finding the right grind size for the metal filter. What’s the right coarseness setting for this???
This is tricky. Even using a burr grinder, at any setting you are going to get some fines the right size to pass through and annoy you. The microscopic ones are good; they add body. It's the bigger ones that make the coffee gritty. I find that a coarse-ish grind yielding a 3 - 3.5 minute total brew time is decent. A quality grinder helps too. A fine sieve would help a lot if you have the patience.
Have you tried brewing with chemex papers?
Wow I’ve been brewing my pour over wrong for like 2 years 🤡😂 I’ve always had coffee grounds make their way through the metal filter. Drinking the smoothest cup of pour over I’ve ever made!
Really glad I could help :)
I enjoyed your review, kinda wanted to quit but couldnt, was too pleasant to listen to you
this video is so spot on. I always wonder... how tf they expect you to clean the bodum carafe? seriously.
You can find brushes that fit on Amazon.
@@mjc6131 well. the brush should come with it LOL.
Thanks for the video. The problem is some people (like me) want a cup of coffee that is bold, rich and heavy. If you prefer lighter roasts, then yes, paper is the way to go.
Oh, I wouldn't call it a problem. That's what the French press is for :)
@@wiredgourmet if so, do you think that percolation method is not ideal for dark roasts?
@@ozgurserdar8627 I find percolation and infusion both work nicely with dark roasts. I grind a little coarser, and reduce my slurry temp a bit, and it tastes great to me.
Wish I had seen this before purchasing it.
For those watching, I recommend two thin #4 filters for less than 30 grams.
Any more and you just need one.
Hi! Unfortunately i bought it before i found this video. I am currently using #2 v60 filter on my bodum along with the metal filter. In your experience does a #4 work better?
Any other thing i have noticed is water passes straight through, too quickly.
Hope you're getting on with it a bit better now.
Your video is better than 99% of the coffee geeks videos
Which paper filter should I use for bodum over 0,5 ?
Hario #1 or #2. Just fold the point of the paper over to fit. See my recent Chemex video for a demonstration of hario paper with the Bodum filter.
Really like the video! Would love too see you do a video using the same #2filter with the metal filer on the bodum! Thanks
Good idea; I think I'll do that in the future.
Use a #4 paper filter in the metal basket. Do a 45g coffee to 750g hot water(97°F+). Don't forget to bloom. Give the whole basket a gentle swirl when there's about 1cm water above the grounds layer.
ayoooooo, relax with that exhale at first lol
Our bodum French press broke. I looked at a replacement glass on bodum and it was just as expensive as a new system.
Good to know, thanks for sharing that.
Your V60 recipe seems quite unusual and interesting. Do you not do a conventional bloom? Seems like you fill the brewer. Also the difference in color in the finished bed; wouldn't that point out underextracted bits? Not trying to be an ass, I'm genuinely curious. A video/write up in detail about your V60 process would be awesome.
Yes, my pourover is unusual, lol, but the light color there is from a lot of chaff that was on those beans, and floats. That was a product review, not a technique piece, so if you're curious about my PO approach, you can check out my recent Chemex vid; I demonstrate and explain my pourover 'philosophy'. I might do V60 and Kalita specific ones in the future, but the Chemex one is pretty general and adaptable. Let me know what you think :)
@@wiredgourmet can't wait for you to make the video
could you not use a paper filter with the metal screen one?
You mean like I demonstrate in the video? Certainly.
I really want a bodum Columbia press.
Bodums packaging says medium ground coffee.
I agree there is a lot of variability, but the point of tests like these are consistency. By eye balling most of the process you lack consistency and therefore reliability.
But it's coffee; the only true authority is subjective taste. Controlling dose, grind, ratio, and water temp is enough to get a sense of the differences. We're not measuring the proton's mass here :)
You're nuts if you think the french press is easier to clean. Taking it completely apart, unscrewing the screens, after every use is the biggest reason I use the Chemex OVER the french press.
Chill with shrooms. You dont need to break apart a french press after every use. More like 100 uses sure.
@@DonJetblack00 Yucky
Agree 100%.
I just bought this because my kid broke my French press glass.
I hated cleaning the French press screen.
This this is so easy
@@full_metal2452 use a paper filter with the metal one that comes with the bodum for best results
Any suggestion for paper filter size for 1 litre of this mammoth device.
I use Hario #2 size filters in mine. I think it's the 1-L model.
@@wiredgourmet thanks will order that. 🙂
I just bought the Bodum on amazon, but with your advice I cancelled it and bought a french press
Good call; nearly identical flavor profiles and the FP is noticeably more convenient.
Not sure where you get some of your information... but the French Press and a Pour-Over are two different brewing processes which give two different results. So the Bodum Pour-Over (a percolation type brewer) is not basically the same as the French Press (an Immersion Type Brewer), as stated in your video.
The flavor difference between immersion and percolation is more theoretical than real, using the same basic type of filtering, whereas the flavor difference between metal and paper filtering is substantial. Metal filtered PO tastes about the same as FP due to similar contact time, presence of undissolved solids in the cup, grind parameters and grit size distribution, etc. BTW, I get my information from practical experience, not the chorus of barista school dropouts infesting CZcams.
I have to fold a paper towel and put it in the filter, otherwise I'll have sediment that makes the coffee taste bitter.
Have you tried using a paper coffee filter, like I do in the video? I've heard from several viewers saying it works nicely for them.
I love my Bodum pour over although you must be careful with the glass bowl when cleaning, as it can shatter. But here is my findings.
1. I bought a stove pot with a thermometer attached. I use Filtered Water. I heat the water to no higher than 190 degrees. Boiling destroys the Integrity of the water.
I use the metal filter only as the paper filters out too much of the essential oils that give my coffee a good, strong, solid taste. It is the coffee grounds and not the filters that keeps the water draining in a long enough time to extract the full flavor of the coffee grounds.
I use Half ground coffee like Folgers and Chock full of Nuts and the other half, just then grounded whole beans, that are Dark Roast. I use the metal spoon that is supplied. One spoon of coffee equals one 5 ounce cup of coffee. Coffee sediment is good only if you drink half of it and no more.
I put a half ounce of Olive Oil in the Bodum before pouring.
I pour two ounces of water in first, to get the carbon dioxide bubbles forming in the center.
I wait until that is drained down, and then, pour another two to three ounces of water.
I repeat this process until the end of the entire pour.
After this, I wait four minutes until it is fully drained.
I then pour the entire contents into an insulated bottle as keeping it in the Bodum renders the coffee too cool to drink within five minutes.
Labor intensive but the coffee comes out great every time. Have a tender stomach but I never had a problem with my stomach with this. The acidity is muted to my taste but it still delivers a full flavor to my palate. It is the Olive oil that mutes the acidity and for those who are Senior Citizens like me, the oil acts like a mild, gentle laxative which I find beneficial to me.
When I am pressed for time and can’t afford the full ten minutes, I do the drip method. Not as flavorful, but what the heck.
Same for me! Paper traps essential oils in the coffee.
@@chadmcginnis431
Thank you. I also put a thimble full of coconut oil in the glass pot before doing the pour over. It settles my stomach if I drink too much strong coffee.
Three 4 ounce cups a day is my maximum.I read too many articles that say that this is the maximum per day for anyone.
The newer ones have a better insulated grip
Good info, it feels like a 2009 CZcams production lol.
I just used a metal filter in a bodum and took none of this care... tastes fine. I know, I'm a savage.
It's a cup of coffee....just slap on #4 onto of the metal filter. "Oh, won't that defeat the purpose....?" Not mine. Minimalism still achieved and in reality taste buds acclimate and perception is fickle. Cheers.
I'm still a big fan of paper myself.
Wear sunscreen.
Ha, great comment.
Your voice seems too deep lol
And that's with a lot of audio EQ. It's even worse IRL :)
You siund like youre trying to sound like Z Frank woithout sounding like Ze Frank...
tl;dr no.
Waste of money
And you end up with lukewarm coffee :(.
What the hell is up with this video?? A weird satanic image of skulls and candles at 3:24 minutes in to the video that has nothing to do with coffee.
I add a paper filter and it makes great coffee.
Definitely one sided review…