The rule I break to play FASTER DOUBLES
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- čas přidán 17. 02. 2022
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Table of Contents:
01:57 - Why are doubles important for drumset players?
04:42 - The big problem: The AWKWARD tempo gap
06:58 - The SOLUTION: The rule that I break
13:08 - What about the fingers? How can we go past 120bpm?
There’s an awkward doubles tempo that you have to cross in order to play quickly. We’re not really fast enough yet to use the fingers… But we’re too fast to just rely on rebound and expect the doubles to still sound good. So what do we do here??
Well, I have a “cheat” that I use during this tempo range, which allows me to smoothly scale my doubles from slow to fast. I’ll break down for you exactly what this technique is - and how you can use it to greatly improve the speed & evenness of your double stroke roll. YOU CAN DO THIS!
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You did an excellent job breaking the double stroke down nobody I've seen break the double stroke down this is gold you should have a million subscribers
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Wrist, THEN FINGERS. Thank you for explaining that. It took me a long time to discover that was what needed to happen in my playing. I actually took the approach of just spending a long time experimenting to figure out the motion slowly, kinda dramatically letting the stick pull my fingers out and into the position to use them for the next stroke (while keeping wrist stationary but relaxed). Doing this really helped me gain an appreciation for the techtechnique and feel confident I'm doing it right at the higher tempos. Drilling it through the awkward and the painfully slow tempos took a lot of time and patience, but I'm glad I did.
Wow. I was taught even when going super slowly to still use the pinky action. Fully letting the rebound happen is a breakthrough!
Thanks for explaining the slow to fast transition so comprehensively. It's exactly what I needed to know.
You are such a great and patient presenter. Thank you Stephen!
Excellent lesson for this old time drummer, thank you!
Excellent video man! The exercise where you hold the tip of the stick is really gonna help out my left hand.
This helped so much man thank you! I’ve been trying for a long time to clean up my doubles, this is great.
Very helpful thanks!😊
Thanks dude 🙏 I like your lessons a lot
Excellent lesson, very reassuring while encouraging the student to enjoy playing. Thank you.
I know I'm a little late to the game, but for anyone that is interested, Drummer ITP is an app that uses the microphone on your phone to monitor accuracy, consistency, and dynamics and gives you a score accordingly. Pairing that with this awesome lesson from Stephen Clark is a great way to accelerate your learning with real time feedback. Thanks for this lesson, Stephen. Always looking for ideas for workouts and ways to improve.
Best book to learn serious stick control. Is " Stick Control." Slow fast slow. Three mins each exercise.
Seems like a pretty sick blast beat practice regimen. \m/
Excellent lesson-thank you!
Bravo the best lesson I've ever seen
Thanks very much . This is very useful
Great lesson!
This is so true especially playing the shuffle for instance SRV shuffle 👍
Hello Stephen, I practice mostly on an E-kit but do most gigs on a full acoustic kit. There definitely are differences but you can make that work for you by being adaptable. I have been doing your cheat/chart course & despite feeling like dropping out half way in, I stuck it out & I reckon I am getting a little better at listening & recognising the sections. What you are talking about here is spot on for me for getting my doubles faster and smoother. I have doubled my doubles speed based on your previous You tubes/member videos, however I have struck a ceiling. I had intuited that there maybe something I still don't know about. I had used a combination of some fingers and some wrist - at the same time - but this might just be the final missing bit that will allow me to get better control and move to a higher speed. Thank you. Regards
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I have an electronic set that I play on. I feel this is one of the downfalls of an EKit. Because the cymbals are rubber and you get great rebound (or at least better than metal) from them.
And you can adjust the sensitivity curve so that even a weak double sounds strong.
You can chuck a towel/mousepad on top of the hihat to kill the bounce of the rubber. Or, if sound levels aren't an issue, use a round icecream tub lid.
That is why you don't watch these videos. Everybody needs to just STOP cheating and learn how to do it for real. I taught a kid how to do it in 10 minutes yesterday! 10 = she had it over 200bpm and every note was the same volume. She can now play doubles better than the guy in the video. That's the point of doubles.. They're supposed to sound like singles. This dude's examples = he doesn't even know how to keep the levels the same. He sounds like a person playing singles, but one hand is broken. Until something is mastered, people need to refrain from teaching it. It leads people astray. Learn this technique, and you'll end up spending years trying to fix it later. Start out learning it right, you're good forever. I'm sure there's a Jim Chapin video out there. Watch him, and turn this confusing junk off. You're hurting yourself.
The good thing about the Ekit I can play at 3 am and nobody can hear me. Lol
That stick flex exercise is already paying off. Thank you.
Thank you
Thanks for this lesson Stephen! I'm 61 and in to Metal drumming. This way i can improve my speed better ...
Thanks
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This approach can also be applied to loud no accent paradiddles. Very very good exercise for building speed consistency and dynamics control.
Good video. I am better at doubles French Grip with fingers, but am working on the wrist action.
I finally understand what I have been doing incorrectly. This lesson was awesome and I am finally going to get my speed up.
I like your videos drums soundtrack 😍😍
Best trick to improve. Double stroke rolls. Is Accent the bounce. Slow fast slow.
Nice nice finally I wish this is the reason why I don't have heavy rebound
Although I don't have a kit yet, I've be practicing on my practice pad, and I feel like I'm getting better and faster. Like, whenever I'm practicing, I listen to a range of songs, mostly rock, dynamic, and poly-rhythmic songs to help me with doubles triplets, etc, whenever I'm playing along to the melodies (not grooves).
My only issue at the moment is that I'm still struggling to move around the kit, like what you said halfway through the video about instead of playing single fills, I struggle with fast fills or chops. Any tips on movement?
Btw, great video, Stephen 👍
Hey dude, great vid! i don't know how to play fast double kick.. been strugglin with it for years and i'm great at drumming if i can say so myself ( self taught ), my legs are cramping for playing like 10 seconds, i wanna learn to play very fast and tight without leg cramps.. i already have good posture i have seen from ur vids, how should i practice? Really appreciate the work u put into your videos!
Ankle technique may be something you want to look up.
I've been having trouble with believe it or not, my right finger and thumb over the index finger and thumb being able to endure holding the stick. I had a little trouble with this really only with drum set not with marching snare drum or concert drums snare drums. And then I switch it over to the first and second finger like a mallet situation but I can't do that forever either. So I switched back and forth a little. It's getting worse as I get older I feel a little arthritis in the index finger the left hand however since I worked on it to work on my weaker hand is fine whether I use match grip or my traditional group I prefer if I started with. 😵😎 . So to you or anybody out there have a suggestion how to have the endurance of my right index finger which I think is the problem as well as I need to practice more. I'm in a position where I'm going to have to get a storage space just to practice being that I have a wife working at home and I can't disturb her with my drama and I don't even think I can use electronic drums cuz we're in the same space. Everything is maxed up in the house no space to use the garage or whatever or another bedroom. It's not catastrophic but it's annoying to me looks kind of weird too the people who are drummers or anybody was really seeing this. It reminds me of when I've seen before Dennis Chambers would change from that script to traditional group in the middle of a song or Solo or something. Doesn't look good to me
Can you teach double stroke rolls on high or low Tom .thanks
Hi Stephen, excellent and thorough lesson. I'm wondering whether the same techniques should be applied to fast singles? I've been struggling to achieve fast, powerful, long and consistent 16th notes / triplets on snare and tom rolls.
fingers
@@t3hgir Yeah. Pretty easy, right? Use your fingers. ALWAYS!!
Excellent sharing, brother!!! We all do better when we help The Helper, right?
How to get the e-guide?
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Thank you son
what is that noise at 7:27?
16:29 the 3rd exercise with the fingers is definetly something that came naturally to me. I mean i kind of have ditched playing singles(at higher tempos) thus due to which my doubles got better. Although have an even single stroke does help you out in the name of "accenting". Does anyone feel that playing doubles is like "cheating"? Because for some reason in the "metal reddit servers " playing doubles or heel double bass(kind of like playing doubles on foot) is regarded as "cheating"? Any thoughts on this one folks?
i can def relate to this.
imo, what exactly would you be cheating? i say if you can play it well so what? drumming is drumming.
@@matchu_music Exactly ....brother . But you know certain "puritans" aren't open enough to acknowledge new ways of getting to the goal . By the way where are you from ?
@@dbmdrums1105 Yeah exactly!
I'm in the east coast in America! How about you?
Check out Keith Carlock video on doubles
I play my doubles with the Push-Pull/Open-Close technique which works greatly for me and makes them very strong
Funny how the time-tested, proven technique creates even, perfect doubles, and is 1000% easier to master than this "cheat".
@@poopdrums yeah I won't even bother learning this "cheat". Push-Pull is the way to go for doubles
Good info here, and great timing for me. I've found myself doing this as I work through phase 2 of your hands course. Good to know my cheating is perfectly legal. :D
Watch Thomas Lang on drumeo he will show you how to do a double stroke using the Moeller method. Sounds totally different. Also why don't you demonstrate on the snare drum?
My drumsticks don't have good rebound. I wonder its because of my edrum or my technique sucks.😭
Hello, is there a Turkish language option?
4:55, explanation begins
yes it is called Practice
Super informative, thanks. Turn off the background drums.
It sounds exactly the same... totally over doing it here.
that’s not cheating- that’s just doing it correctly 😭
Now try Traditional Grip...Its the correct way!
15 years of playing drums and watching videos and i was suspecting i wasnt being told something and I felt like i was doing something wrong trying to find a way to fix my doubles in this bpm.....
None of the best drummers in business ever revealed how they do it and the old bad fps did not allow to slow them down to even see..
I feel cheated and I shouldve cheated
You could just start by accenting the 2nd note of each double stroke on each hand and it will accomplish a more even sounding double stroke roll without this super long explanation. I've never heard a drum instructor tell me to change my technique for only a slot of 20 beats per minute? Find a technique you can use the whole way through.
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Worst possible video on doubles... dude you are rambling like a mad man. Get to the point!!
Man you talk sooo much🙈
This is BAD INFORMATION. Drop and pick up is how you play doubles, NO WRIST. How do you accent the second note without? I fucking hate CZcams.
This guys technique and posture are awful I dont understand why this channel is succesful
This dude is the worst. Sometimes I come onto his page and see what wrist destroying technique he is teaching that day. Then I'll post a critical comment that somehow disappears.
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You could teach the lesson in one-tenth the time if you didn't talk so much and simply focused on the skill you are imparting. Try it!