PHANTASM (1979) to PHANTASM RAVAGER (2016): FULL SERIES REVIEW Arrow Films Blu-ray + DVD and Super 8
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- Retrospective of the full Phantasm series. Includes the Arrow Films Blu-ray box set, the DVD releases and the original Super 8 package movie releases including the ultra rate Piccolo 2x400ft release with English soundtrack.
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Saw Phantasm at the age of 12 with my best friend and it changed our lives. At 53 years old now I still pop it in the DVD player now and then. BOOOYYYY!!!!!
Been a part of my life from the age of 15 so we've something in common there BOOOYYYY!!!
John.
Love this guy's even-handed approach to reviewing and all the extra historical details and memories. Subscribed!
Thank you Mr. Wilson. Sounds like a character from a John Carpenter movie!
John.
@@moviecollector5920 I survived an assault on a police precinct once upon a time.
@@JS_2099 I thought so. Got a smoke?
Yes the channel is really good, so much info I didn’t know I needed about film formats.
Young people today probably don't appreciate what a score it was to get to see R rated movies when we were kids in the 70s and early 80s. You had to know somebody whose dad had a VHS video (which were rare and expensive) or you had to sneak in at the movie theater. Maybe you could stay up late to catch a severely edited version on TV. You couldn't just stream it or get it from Amazon. So it was extra special to pull off some caper with your friends to watch something like Phantasm or The Exorcist or The Omen in all its glory. Forbidden fruit tastes twice as sweet!
Now that is a bloody good summing up! If Super 8 hadn't have cost so much I expect many more of us would have been collecting films back in those glory days. Phantasm was a great cut down (done by a friend who sadly died a couple of years ago) and very special to be able to run over and over again in our little home cinemas. Funny to think it was banned on video owing to the silver sphere blood sucking sequence but available to purchase on Super 8.
John.
"It's a load of tosh, but I enjoy it" - Movie Collector
I loved the Phantasm movies ever since I saw them as a kid. 1, 2 and 3 are fantastic, 4 grows on me more every time I watch it. 5 only seen once and still unsure over it.
I love them all. Maybe I was a little excited by the time I got to RaVager but I guess I'll find out when I give the disc a second spin. We may find I don't like it so much and you like it more. John.
recently marathoned all 5 films - fun stuff! My favorites are the first two.
Agree there - the first two are great. But just like you, I enjoy them all. It's been nice watching young Mike grow up even if Mike Baldwin didn't play Mike in the second film. John.
Phantasm is my favorite horror series. I’m in the US but had to buy the original Arrow bluray set with the silver sphere. Well Go released another set this past December which has a beautiful remaster of Phantasm II which for the 1st time was the uncut version (priests death scene is longer, no cut aways) and the telecine wobble is gone. Seen it for the 1st time at my grandparents house when I was 7.
Keith at Euphoria Pictures told me that he thought a 4K remaster of Phantasm II was released recently in America so now you've answered that one Jay. Thank you. The damnable thing is that I'll have to track down a copy!!! But I don't mind a bit of film weaving because it's all part of the film making process. When opening titles appear and I can see a little movement it confirms to me that a film has been made on film and as far as I'm concerned, that's how films should be made. Having said that, we watched the 4K of Le Mans '66 last Saturday and that one proves, if proof were needed, that good use of video cameras for film making is possible. A near perfect example of movie making in every respect.
I remember watching the original Phantasm on a special edition laserdisc and enjoying it (long time ago so I cannot recall which one). The sound was a huge part of the experience. Years later watched II and III and disliked them both. That was decades ago and it's entirely likely I'd have a different opinion were I able to watch them today.
My favorite 80's bad sci-fi film is LIFEFORCE, which is easily the most batshit crazy film with a big budget I have ever seen. By the way, the UK Blu-Ray release of that film looks far better than the U.S. release due to superior encoding. There is less macro blocking and far more natural grain structure vs. Shout Factory's disappointing release (which I quickly gave away). I also prefer the original 2.0 Stereo laserdisc audio to the DVD's and Blu-Rays. The 5.1 remixes are not "bad," but there are times when some of the sfx are a bit muffled compared to the original clarity. At times the 5.1 is brilliant so I can live with it. :-)
I didn't much like Phantasm 3 when I first saw it but as I think I say in the review, it wasn't the best DVD. The Arrow Blu-ray gave that film a whole new feel and I'm really taken with it now. They're all crazy films in that series but there's just something about them.
John.
Saw Lifeforce in the theaters when it came out. Great flick!
I had a similar experience with first viewing of Phantasm. I was 16 in 1980 and there was a local screening where the R/X-rated poster was clumsily changed to a lower rating and so the hall was packed with teenagers. It was the scariest thing I had ever seen. I remember a mate sitting next to me with his feet drawn up onto the chair with his hands over his eyes yelling "what's happening, what's happening!". Never seen it again or any of it sequels but so much of the imagery has stuck with me over 40 years.
You'll have to revisit the film Mike just to see it with older eyes. You'll find it's not scary, it's just darned good fun. Thankfully no one involved in Phantasm took it too seriously and the end result is a film that just simply works. The sequels are all good fun too and there's an interesting story in there too.
John.
Mr. Clancy, your channel and the videos you make are my absolute favorite thing on CZcams! Not long before I discovered your channel, I had started to collect and screen Super 8 films and it has been such a joy to watch some of these great feature films on the format. So when I discovered your channel it was like a dream to see everything you talk about and all the formats you discuss.
I really enjoy all the Phantasm films as well, although I think the first and fourth one's are my top favorites.
Please have a most wonderful week!
Lincoln
Thank you Lincoln. Super 8 features aren't cheap these days - not that they ever have been - but they are special to be able to screen in the home. Super 8 was a major factor in fuelling my interest in cinema and that interest has never waned. I may not bother going to a cinema to watch videos these days but trips to London to see special films being projected on film are still on the table and I hope to get up there in October for the 70mm release of Death on the Nile and perhaps the 15/70 IMAX of the new Bond film.
If you haven't come across www.bfcc.biz yet then have a look. We really need to get the film collector conventions resurrected and that was one of the driving reasons for giving this channel a go.
That fourth Phantasm film is special because of all the outtakes from the first film. Pure magic!
John.
@@moviecollector5920 Mr. Clancy,
You’re right! It isn’t a cheap hobby, but I think it’s so worth while and you’re taking a personal hand in preserving film history when you do it!
I started collecting in 2019 in 16mm/Super 8 and it has been one of the best decisions I’ve made to own a these features and digests. Even more special when you have friends to screen and enjoy them with.
I have the Phantasm Digest like you and I can agree it’s all gone very red, but still an excellent digest to watch.
Lincoln
@@lincolnthorn3396 You'll have to get hold of the German 2x400ft of Phantam now Lincoln! Actually, I need to run mine again but the colour was still pretty good last time I looked. After that it will be 35mm! John.
Just picked up the box set (Arrow) from Amazon £31.25 delivered tomorrow.
Bargin.
Can't wait.
Well done. You're in for a great time! John.
I really like discovering your channel. It's fun to see there are bigger, or on par 'geeks' as myself. 👍
I love people with passion for the things they like such as movies.
I'm subbing.
Thank you Des. Good to have a fellow enthusiast with me. I wasn't sure many people would be interested in Phantasm but it seems that there are quite a few of us out there after all. John.
PHANTASM is a underrated franchise the story is fascinating I’ve always thought. Love the score too.
Another film that I watched over and over and over on Super 8 after seeing it first at the local ABC. A classic. Saw Phantasm 2 in the West End (Panton Street) and then no Phantasm film ever got another general theatrical release. I think all five are great films.
Now then, 'Verisimilitude' was Richard Donner's word during the production of Superman The Movie - is this another of your favourites?
John.
@@moviecollector5920 PHANTASM is a great franchise I have yet to see part 5. I love SUPERMAN 78 and SUPERMAN II too death. Donner gave birth to the modern superhero movie. I’m looking forward to your video on SUPERMAN 78 I know you’ll do it justice sir.
@@verisimilitude8660 I think Phantasm RaVager is pretty terrific Verisimilitude 86. I've uploaded the new Superman The Movie 4K review so I hope you like it. I had already recorded it when you first commented so it must have been serendipity that made me mention Richard Donner's Verisimilitude approach to making it.
John.
Blimy, not just me then, i love these films as well, love the silver balls as security
Now that would be the best security available but maybe not such a good idea as one might land on your forehead!
John.
Love the detail you put into your videos, fantastic job!
Thank you Carlos. I'm working on a fairly massive video right now but it still may take another couple of days to get it completed. John.
‘The ball is back.’ Found your channel and really enjoying your content - wouldn’t have had you pegged as a phan! Similarly, I crept in to see this at 15, happy days. Yes, Rocky felt like an unwelcome guest at first, but grew on me. She had some great lines. Surprised you missed the anchor bay replica ball DVD box set. Different extras to the R1 DVD. Scrimm was fantastic. Keep up great work.
I don't tend to go in for the collector's editions with plastic busts and things but the US version on Phantasm with the silver sphere looked better than the tacky piece being offered here. I might have succumbed if I'd have seen the US version for sale. It's funny that so many of us have a love of these Phantasm films. As I said, I always thought it was a load of tosh that I liked but now I realize there is a lot more to it than that and it's the characters that make it work.
John (A Phantasm Phan!).
Your collection is really special👍. I have only the first Phantasm... thanks to ARTE
Well you'll just have to get the rest of 'em now!
John.
@@moviecollector5920 Yes Sir!!! 😁
I remember Phantasm coming out in 1979.was too young lol and had to wait till i bought the VHS and was my first VHS and very exspencive in 1982. Have got the soundtrack still also and the poster.
For a film that was considered a bit poor in its day it is amazing that it is still so popular today. It may not be a brilliant film but there is something about it. John.
Thank you for the video. Fascinating.
I could blather on about Phantasm all day Justin. John.
@@moviecollector5920 Well I am just watching the arrow boxset at the moment. Already watched it earlier this week. Doing a rewatch now with commentary. 😁
Been waiting for this one John 👍...wow an early unexpected shout out 🤩👍👍 I like the clamshell story you tell about the history behind that format and also blown away by your examples of cases and the movies in them!!! 🤯 wow GEM record label!!! I have a U.K Subs live album on it 🤩 the Plymouth Barracuda is a beautiful car! Did you forget your age there John? 😉🤩 so would you like me to do the same 2 movies? Jaws & Halloween? Great answers to the questions 👏 very enjoyable as always John 🤩🤩👍👍
Yeah, I'm getting on a bit now so remembering 55 is proving a little difficult so it's just as well the management was in attendance! Whenever you get around to doing a 4K vs. 2K you can choose whichever films you want to talk about. Jaws is certainly a good example of 4K and although the Blu-ray is excellent the 4K is perceptibly better but I think it may be the HDR that makes that difference. That's really my conclusion so far but don't let me lead you in that regard because I'm hoping someone comes up with something that I've missed or haven't managed to think of.
I became a big fan of Phantasm since I first saw it at the show. I think it is wrongly called a horror movie when it should be relegated to the horror/sci-fi genre. I particularly thought that Angus Scrimm was brilliant as the tall man. It still plays well and is cult favorite though a bit cheesy at times such as the brothers fight with the giant bug thing it's probably the cheesiness that attracts and makes it a cult favorite. What a great title for a movie! Enjoy your reviews. Yours and another favorite reviewer on CZcams "Films At Home" are the only two I watch. Have a great day.
Yes, Phantasm was almost a genre of its own so I think you're right Daniel. But the cheesiness is what makes it so appealing. It doesn't take itself seriously like so many other so-called horror films and it also has the advantage of the great relationships between all the lead characters. A great villain too is the final ingredient and why it has endured for so long. Funny to think that I saw this film when it was first released over here. It just doesn't seem like it was that long ago.
John.
Another great video, always enjoyable to watch. Plenty of really interesting information.
Thank you Stephen.
John.
Still making my way through your older vids and found this. And wouldn't you know it, I received the Remastered blu-ray of the original Phantasm just yesterday (Amazon had it for 5 bucks). Love the first two movies but have yet to see the rest. I've been waiting to get the entire franchise in a box set but Phantasm sets are damned expensive here in the US. I'll probably import the Region 2 Arrow Set now that I have a region-free player. Anyway, great video!
I love that Arrow box of Phantasm films Tom. I wouldn't mind repeating them all again right now but time is always in short supply. I hope you like the first film remaster, you'll have to let me know what you think. I think all five of the films are pretty darned wonderful and was really surprised how good RaVager turned out but possibly because most people were telling me it was crap!
John.
I didn't watch phantasm until i watched the sequel in 1990 and thought it was a great horror movie, the dvd boxset was ok but i managed to get hold of the limited edition 6 disc blu ray boxset with the 149 paperback book and the silver sphere 2nd hand in mint condition but i wish they used the blu ray cases with the sleeves. plus i really enjoyed BUBBA HO-TEP, great review.
Phantasm II was great and I saw it at that little multiplex on Panton Street just off Leicester Square. But the original is the best and it's great to have this Blu-ray set. Wish I''d got the book with it too though! John.
I saw the original Phantasm at the cinema back in the day. Loved it. Did not like the sequel. Never knew there were so many. Really enjoyed this video and especially the questions at the end. Thank you.
Perhaps the sequel took itself a little too seriously now that you mention it. The first film certainly did not and none of the others do either. I'm pleased that you enjoyed this video Robert. I was a bit concerned that it was too long but I couldn't find much else to cut out so just went with it in the end. But I did get the record deck in there so that was something different. And the 'BOY' crash, bang, wallop really is on the record and that is what plays, albeit it's really at the end of side 2 and not the beginning but photographically the deck looked better with the needle at the beginning rather than the end.
@@moviecollector5920 I think that your overall structure of your reviews and personal style is very easy to watch. If someone is also interested in the movie / subject, 20 minutes is no problem. That said, I'm 62 and our younger friends seem to be butterflies.
@@Celestialrob I think the maximum attention span averages just over three minutes so I'm probably 21 minutes too long with this one! But five films to cover and those CZcams questions put paid to any chance of a quickie.
@@moviecollector5920 maybe there were two videos in this one. A ten minute video on Phantasm and another on general questions.
@@Celestialrob Originally I did intend to cover the CZcams questions separately but I couldn't work out how to make that fit as a movie collecting video. I don't really fancy doing web log or types of videos so I hope I've gotten away with sticking it on the end of this one along with a bit of dialogue about the planned 4K vs. 2K video. I suppose all that was a bit of a Vlog but it did follow quite a film history session on Don Coscarelli's classic 'philms'. I'll see how the views come in and what any further comments are like and then I'll know how to proceed next time something similar comes up.
Tonight we'll be watching the final part of season 2 of 'Trapped'. It's been fabulous up to now and if you haven't got into this Icelandic series yet I heartily recommend looking up season 1 which has a whole coastal town in Iceland snowed in and trapped whilst a killer is on the loose.
They don't make 'em like this any more... actually, perhaps they never did!
Aha we all now know your age : ) Saw this on HBO back when i was about 18 was so spooky.
I think it made it to cinemas here in 1980. Rather lucky to be able to sneak past the ticket desk without being asked my age. John.
As a kid this movie scared the sh*t out of me
And now it's probably just damned good fun. That's how I look at it anyway. John.
Great vid, IV never seen the Phantasm films but you have me curious now.....
Well that Arrow Films disc of the first film was just like watching the film again as I saw it back in 1980 at the Newbury ABC cinema. It's magic. But all I will say as a bit of a preparation for you if you do take a look is that you'll find some of the acting can appear a little wooden at times. I think it's all part of the charm but I'm not sure everyone will agree.
Hello John! i just disovered your wonderful channel! I just subscribed, Thank You!👍 PS the eopisode that I saw first was your "2001: A Space Odyssey" which I JUST GOT on Blu-Ray about 2 days ago!!! I love it, but I am NOT too convinced about 4K UHD Blu-Rays.
Thank you Thomas. Funnily enough I'm currently putting my next video together which is an analysis of 4K vs. 2K so should be right up your street. I can summarize it here: I underestimated how good Blu-ray is!
'If this doesn't scare you you're already dead' I believe was the punchline on the cinema poster.
Changing the subject somewhat, one of the poorest DVD transfers I own is the Body snatchers (1978) with Donald Sutherland and Leonard Nimoy, have you any experience of this film?
I haven't seen the 1978 remake of Invasion of the Body Snatchers in so long Geoff but I would like to revisit it soon. Veronica Cartwright also starred if I remember correctly. There were some grainy films around in 1978 so it could largely be down to film stock.
John.
Keep up the great work john i find your movie reviews really interesting and your knowledge is superb love your passion for film many thanks gonna watch phantasm 3 now 😊😊😊
I have never enjoyed Phantasm III as much as I did this time so I hope you like it as much as I did Shane. Please let me know what you think, good, bad or indifferent.
@@moviecollector5920 well just finished part 3 I agree it was a lot of fun the new dtshd master was really great and the picture quality top notch. Iv had these films for a while now only watched the first two as people said the rest are not so great but now I will carry on and find out for myself. If the truth be known part 3 as been my favourite so far my boxset is the arrow uk set with silver sphere which is really cool not a fan of the little cardboard boxes the films are housed in mind you. Thanks again john for your review I would like your review on damnation alley you recommended that in one of your videos and where to buy it hmv sale I loved it 😊
@@shanenewson6032 I'm really pleased to know you like Phantasm III. Such a shame it didn't get a theatrical release upon completion which must have been a really depressing time for the film makers. But they then managed to make Phantasm OblIVion and I really enjoyed that one from the first time I saw it. Having said that, it's different to Phantasm III but the use of outtakes from the 1979 original makes it stand out for me. To have all the main characters appearing as their younger selves but they really are their younger selves has to be fairly unique in film making history. And it sets up the possibility of multiple universes and a never ending story which is what I think Phantasm RaVager is all about. The new box set has a good feel to the packaging and it's nice that each disc is in a slimline case so the whole caboodle fits on the shelf more easily.
With regards to Damnation Alley, years ago I was at a Derann Film Services open day and they had a full length 16mm 'Scope print of it for £100 but I stupidly didn't buy it. That chewed away at me ever since and then I saw the Blu-ray in the sale at HMV and for £6 we had it on a disc with probably better print and sound quality than that second hand 16mm prin would have offeredt. Previously I'd only ever seen Damnation Alley on the television (panned and scanned and generally crap image quality) and the Super 8 400ft reel I showed in the clamshell case, so to have it now in such wonderful clarity and to see it for the first time properly was wonderful - dodgy optical effects and all. Maybe I'll find an excuse to do a bit of a review of it in a future video when perhaps I'll mention some great discs I've seen lately such as the 4K of Le Mans '66 which we watched on Saturday night and is possibly the second best 4K quality we've seen so far... even though it was shot on video. Almost perfect film making that I've seen hardly any mention of.
@@moviecollector5920 well I'm looking forward to part 4 and 5 even more now. I would prefer the individual plastic cases with reversible artwork but at the end of the day it's the film quality that's most important. Arrow have done an amazing job with there remasters and extras to the highest standard. I would love arrow or scream factory to do something with the elm street collection as that series had no proper love in the hd department as yet.
@@shanenewson6032 I saw the orignal Elm Street at the Leicester Square Theatre upon release (that famous premiere cinema is now demolished and replaced by a hotel) and it scared the living daylights out of me. I used to really enjoy the whole series but I look at them now and think the first one stood apart. A frightening, original classic.
I remember these only watched the first three tho, may have to purchase, good review 👍
If you do get the set Stephen I'll be interested to know your thoughts. I didn't like Phantasm 3 until I saw it from this Arrow Films set but always liked the other three. It was my first viewing of 5 and I really enjoyed it... some people didn't.
@@moviecollector5920 ok will do hopefully get it soon, as you know with home films always a long list to purchase. 😀
Wow John I am 3 years older than you. 🤔 lol I have never seen Phantasm or any of the sequels. But I may take a look at it.
They are complete tosh really, but great fun and I love them all. John.
You just got a new subscriber. I'm a huge fan of the first phantasm but never followed the sequels
You have a mission now then Marc. I love all the Phantasm films - there's just something about them.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 mission accepted john I'll let you know how it goes
@@marcmooney9210 Good man! I hope you enjoy them after all this.
Arrow are putting out some great mastered in 4k blu ray releases. 'The Thing' been one of my personal favorites,so much so if The Thing does get a full fat 4k release I may be reluctant to double dip... though most probably the urge will be impossible to resist. The Arrow
release of An American Werewolf In London has also exceptional video that easily triumphs the aged standard 1080p release from 2009!
Keith at Euphoria Pictures imported the 4K of American Werewolf from Germany recently. He did a rather nice little video about it. Tempted me but I've managed to resist as I only watched it on Blu-ray recently. But I won't be able to resist The Thing!
@@moviecollector5920 The Thing is the best 1080p mastered in 4k Ive seen and theres a wonderful documentary about the restoration on this release as well as a load of other extra features. Shout/scream factory have their version out in the US though its not mastered in 4k though their set and box art comes as a collectors edition!.. I am tempted but I don't think I can justify paying £30 for another set. Also worth noting that this version in the US was colour corrected twice in the same year by the director of photography and we have the better version in the UK. Apparantly the US version has a blue ish tint through out which dosent really allow any other natural colours to come through. Our version looks warmer in comparrison and its the best its ever looked and thats saying something because the older blu ray I owned was no slouch but thats now on ebay!. Haha. If they ever get around to releasing this on 4k and it dosent get a full 4k restoration from scratch then I hope that they use our UK version to work from.
Ethan
@@ethanberry9846 Stop it Ethan because at this rate I'm going to be purchasing that Arrow version too! I have The Thing so many times already I'm trying to limit my intake!!!
@@moviecollector5920 haha sorry i just wanted you to watch it at its best. Haha
Greetings Ethan.
Arrow Films is just the type of company I would like to work for. If nothing else but for their passion for the subjects(s) matter. They rule the home cinema business, when it comes to BD-releases. Indicator, EUREKA, Studio Canal (who have stepped up their game since they stopped upconverting SD prints to "HD") and Premium Collection are also good/great at what they do. How does one get a foot in they door and becomes an employee? A thought, anyone?
Here in shit-hole country Sweden it is near impossible to get such jobs, if one: A. Doesn´t kiss ass (or other body parts). B. Knows somebody´s somebody. C. Has connections (see also 'B'). D. Has a vagina. E. Are 100% politically correct. I.E. mission: impossible...
Arrow's 'The Thing' has the correct color palette, as opposed to Scream's release (although it is also very good all in all). I have them both, so that I can watch all the different extras.
I was lucky enough to get ahold of Arrow's Limited box-set release of 'T.T.' The one with all the goodies in it. I´m trying to get hold of Arrow's similar packaging of 'American...' but it´s costing a fortune now (it was very limited). Anyone selling a copy?
Signing off for now...
I've only seen the first and second Phantasm and really enjoyed them. Maybe I should check out the other parts as well.
They're all good. Or at least, I think they're all good - mainly because they're such fun.
Not sure I could stomach those Phantasm films. Thoroughly enjoyed your video though and always look forward to seeing your new vid in my inbox. I recently bought my first Arrow Blu Ray recently (Bicycle Thieves!) loved it. I was so disappointed with the Jaws packaging, the picture was great though. . Recently compared Casino in 4K to the Blu Ray and there is definitely a noticeable improvement.
I think you're right about the Jaws packaging but I'm very pleased to have the film looking as good as it does on that disc. I haven't seen Casino since it was in the cinemas but I remember it being a classy film, if a little violent for my tastes... unlike Phantasm which is a pussy cat by comparison! I wonder what the difference is that you can percieve between the Blu-ray and the UHD disc; do you think it's the HDR or are you picking up a sharper image? I ask because I've struggled on almost every title so far but there are exceptions.
There definitely seems an uptick in detail with Casino. 4K reminds me of hi res audio in some respects, you don’t notice certain things until you see the hi res or 4K version but it’s there originally but you just don’t notice it. For example in casino a car explodes and in the 4K version you see there’s a jump cut which I never noticed on the Blu Ray, the weird thing is I bet I’ll notice it now on the Blu Ray.
@@danboy77 If the Blu-ray is taken from the same master as the 4K I expect that the only likely perceptible difference between the two is the colour due to HDR. Having said that, sometimes the darker hues on Blu-ray mean the image has better contrast than the 4K because HDR can sometimes muddy the picture a little. Other times the person mastering has overdone the HDR as is the case with 'A Few Good Men' where the softer, more lifelike quality of the 2007 Blu-ray gives an overall better impression. But I remember that car explosion which is when we're made to think Robert De Niro's character has been killed. Can't recall the jump cut though!
I’m no expert but I’m sure just after the scene Pesci and De Niro are arguing in De Niro’s home it cute to a string of Murders (gimme shelter being played in background) then there’s a car explosion and I’m sure there you see a really quick jump cut which I never noticed in the Blu Ray. I was a bit of a 4K snob to be honest, but I have revisited some of my Blu Rays ie: The Dark Knight and it looks great on a big screen. I think the side of screen one might have is a major factor too
@@danboy77 I think we've been underestimating how good Blu-ray really is, certainly with modern mastering and authoring and it's taken the adoption of 4K UHD Blu-ray for me to appreciate just how good some of the better Blu-rays are. So I think you'll find you will see that jump cut in the Blu-ray of Casino because I think you'll find the image quality is very close to being as good as the 4K. If I ever get the 4K vs. 2K video done I hope to be able to explain my thinking a little more fully.
bit of a question in general. as you watch a lot of analog films 8mm+35mm can you still watch a PAL DVD (code 2) in 25fps? That odd 4% speed up doesn't feel right to me anymore. same goes of course for movies that are broadcasted on TV.
I still run LaserDisc, DVD and occasionally VHS. I don't have any problem with the 4% speed differential and sometimes actually speed up film to 25fps when running in pulse sync' to a video for the best possible image with the best sound. John.
The original PHANTASM is such a remarkable film in many ways, I cannot wait to see a 4K edition, while GEMINI MAN is as unfortunate as you say and just keeps getting worse with age for all kinds of reasons. As for HALLOWEEN 4K, despite the flaws on the older Anchor Bay out-of-print 4K, I still thought it was better than the new 4K, so look forward to seeing what you think on that. Finally, I saw that some of your Super 8 films were on polyester, while in the U.S., most Super 8 films either ready for projection or blank film to use in a camera (save film in Single 8 Fuji cartridges and 3M/Ferrania/K-Mart Super 8 cartridges) were usually acetate. Do you happen to know how many of your non-U.S. Super 8 movies are polyester vs. acetate, roughly?
There was a shift towards polyester during the second half of the 1970's and it had taken over completely by the mid 1980's. Having said that, some of the features released in Germany during the 1990's/2000's were on old acetate stock that they'd stored in a refrigerator. As that stock got older it developed an increasing yellow tint so can be identified. All the big releases from Derann, Lone Wolf, Kempski and Classic Home Cinema since the mid 80's have been polyester and the USA has moved over to it now. Although not much is coming out these days. Italy seems to be leading a bit of a revival now with a couple of enthusiasts striking Super 8 prints direct from digital video.
Halloween on Super 8 looks rather colourless but it appeared a close match to the 35mm extract I saw at the NFT so as much as I know Dean Cundey authorized the most recent 4K release, I suspect the earlier release was more like the 35mm general release prints.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 Thank you. Though some polyester film you can shoot now will work (late 3M/Ferrania maybe for color when it used Agfa-like chemistry, much of the Dynachrome was a Kodachrome imitator) the rest can only be developed in black and white because the Fuji Single 8 is extremely difficult to get anything out of (the older color is often Kodachorome-like or Ektachrome EM-25; plus they need an extra step to get the thickest remote off) and you will hardly get results if anything. A few cartridges of Fujipan I shot were a disaster and color was worse, but that's just the way that stock is. Any Fuji with a 'N' after the number is actually E6, despite reports to the contrary, but still tough to get the remote off. No labs I have talked to even want to deal with polyester developing, because I was told they fear it might damage their equipment.
@@nicholassheffo5723 Polyester certainly doesn't like to break so if it jams up a machine I can see that it could do some damage. I didn't ever shoot much Fuji Single 8 but the few reels we did shoot weren't up to the standard of Kodachrome Super 8. I can't remember how many baths Kodachrome went through during processing but I expect you can. 21 or something like that. John.
@@moviecollector5920 I guess it stretches or something. Some people had said they though Fujoichrome/Fujicolor that was made like Kodakchrome was 'better' than Kodakchrome 40 or 25 (Paul Simon wrote that song out of worry in changes to the format, but had nothing to worry about) and was 25ASA. I like the color, but there is just something special about Kodachrome and I was lucky to shoot isle film that way while it still existed in color.
Keep it coming. It’s been far too long a gap! 😁
Sorry about that Umar. I've been working on a documentary going out on Blu-ray and DVD very soon and the final filming session for that is coming up this weekend... right the other bloody side of the country! Basically, Ive been flat out on that and no time for other things like sleep or CZcams videos. But I wanted to get this done before the weekend whereupon I expect to be completely stuffed again for a few weeks.
Movie Collector no apologies needed. Your videos are very interesting and keep me entertained! Keep them coming as and when you can! Best of luck with the Blu-ray!
Booooy! You made another great review! Thanx.
Do you know the scripts to all these films Jørn?
Only just found this review John, must have missed the notification!! As much as I enjoyed the original Phantasm, and it was me who strongly suggested Derann release it... Derek just didn't understand it at all... I'm afraid I haven't particularly enjoyed the sequels. Still its always great to see your reviews and perhaps... just perhaps I might invest in the set.
I don't think any of us understand Phantasm Ged! But that is part of its appeal and I appreciate if for that now than I did when I was 15. Well done for getting it released at Derann. Edited by Ken Locke who is now sadly no longer with us but I spoke to him quite a few times about his work on that 400ft reel. The Piccolo 2x400ft is probably a better release (well it would be with twice the running time) but my fondest memories are of the Derann 400ft... even though the damned thing's turned pink!
Hi John, just watched a video yesterday called is 4K worth it in 2020 the channel was boutique blu rays with Elliot Coen..... very interesting 👌 👍
I shall take a look as soon as I get a chance John. Thanks for the pointer.
@@moviecollector5920 its a good video mate 👍👍
Great review my friend of an fantastic franchise. Im nearly sure a new set came out in America where Phantasm 2 has a new 4k scan. I have to admit im not a fan of final part. I thought the directing and acting was very poor in it and the cgi is shocking. But thats just 1 mans opinion. Great 2 see u back. Its been awhile. Take it easy my friend.
Maybe we didn't notice bad computer cartooning because we were enjoying it so much. Same for the acting perhaps. Now Keith, fancy having a go at a 4K vs. 2K video? I know I keep mentioning Jaws but it's a good place to start because it is possible to see the superiority of the 4K but what is that superiority? I think it's the HDR but maybe you can pick up a sharper image or something else. 'A Few Good Men' has better image quality on the Blu-ray for many scenes which gives a better overall impression than the 4K disc. But most now have the Blu-ray and 4K taken from the same master and it is often difficult to tell which is better. What do you think?
By the way, I'm working on a classic car documentary for disc release and really need to get it finished which is why I'm not able to get so many CZcams videos up at the moment. Sorry about that.
@@moviecollector5920 if im being totally honest i think it comes down to HDR or Dolby Vision. I reckon if standard blu rays came with HDR then i don't think 4k would have taking off. Don't get me wrong i do love 4k as a matter of fact im in the process of buying a 8k tv. But i remember watching the martian for the first time on 4k and the first thing i noticed was the colour. My jaw dropped. But thats just 1 mans opinion.
@@millerman9991 Your conclusion is the same as mine Keith. I do wonder why Blu-ray does not now have HDR but I suspect it is so the 4K format can be pushed. I also suspect 8K is going to be a waste of money so unless you really need to replace your television it's quite likely not worth it. The unimaginable number of pixels already making up an HD television probably means adding four times the number is imperceptible and therefore going another four steps up from 4K to 8K is even more pointless. But I'm happy to be proved wrong of course. Maybe a 4K video projector to supplement your TV watching is the way to go?
@@moviecollector5920 to be honest im not really convinced by 8k but i am 1 of does people that if there's anything out there that can improve my movie viewing im going 2 get it. Im not rushing into this. Ive done all my homework on this tv and it definitely seems like the tv for me. Only time will tell.
@@millerman9991 We shall wait to here all about it Keith. In the meantime I hope you're looking after our ET spaceship bust for us!!!
I just watched the Siskel & Ebert review of Phantasm. They hated it! 😅
Sacrilege!
John.
They panned a lot of good movies.
I like only first 1
Well it certainly is the best. I think not having Mike Baldwin playing Mike in the second film hurt it but I still enjoyed it nevertheless. John.
@@moviecollector5920 yes you are right without mike Baldwin it does hurts 2nd movie
Definitely a Great boxset,Arrow are a great label and your right about Gemini man, terrible just terrible 👍
Some people consider Gemini Man the best looking video ever. I think it's because they like computer games... I don't! John.
If 8 MM has always given such a great picture quality why did they ever bother with 35MM or 70MM if the picture quality on those isn`t any better ?. BTW, i like all the Phantasm movies but the second one is easily the best, Phantasm 2 is one of the best horror movies of all-time, everything fell into place perfectly with that one, the special effects the atmosphere the story, all total perfection. It also stayed at number 9 on the North American box-office chart for 2 weeks in a row in August of 1988 on its initial release, quite an achieve-girl-t for a low budget horror movie.
8mm was never really as developed as Super 8 Barry but if I implied that Super 8 was a rival for 35mm then clearly that was not my intention. The image area of Super 8 is only 6mm wide so there is no way you can seriously use that for large scale, serious cinematic distribution. The quality of the late 80s and onwards prints were exceptional and brought cinema quality imagery to many homes. However, we don't tend to have 40 foot screens in our homes so although I may have had projection equipment capable of filling a ten foot wide screen with unrivalled brightness and clarity it would not have worked on the screen at the Odeon Marble Arch or anything like that. But Super 8 had to be seen to be believed at the time. There was nothing else to touch it for the home market.
It's interesting to learn that Phantasm 2 did well early on. What a shame the success didn't continue because I too think it's a classic and it really did deserve to find a big worldwide audience.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 Cheers for explaining that John, much appreciated.