The biggest MODERN mixed martial arts myth that just won’t go away
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- čas přidán 31. 05. 2024
- One of the biggest MODERN martial arts myths is that if you train in BJJ and later you train in Muay Thai, or vise versa, then you will be adequately prepared for MMA competition. I feel like I have made videos on this topic a dozen times at least, but here goes another one: MMA is it’s own unique sport and needs to be trained as such!
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Shanghai based MMA Coach and Kunlun Fight Combat League ringside commentator Ramsey Dewey answers questions from the viewers. Leave your questions in the comments below!
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It's fine to be a casual and not become a casualty 😂
I really like your quote, actually, I love it!
We need the "bjj is not mma" videos for every martial art used in mma
Some martial arts are more effective by themselves than others in competitive MMA though. Wrestlers, for example, can get away with just being incredible wrestlers because the rules of competition favour it so much.
Given that wrestling, when mixed with a little boxing, is the most prevalent style in modern sporting MMA you could probably even make an argument based on that.
But yeah, mixed martial arts kinda implies combining multiple styles to achieve a more well rounded skillset.
Don’t you mean boxing with grappling? Striking is used way more than grappling in mma. Boxing and Muay Thai.
@@savvygames5474 yep, but grappling its op
@@AveSicarius The rules of competition don't favor wrestling at all, every fight starts standing and we have rounds like in all forms of boxing/kickboxing, if the ref wants he can "stand them up" etc. The dominance of grapplers is because a better grappler will always beat someone significantly worse while that is not the case in striking scenarios.
@@Bl4stinoff2outerspace
Yes they certainly do, the cage can be used to assist takedowns while it cannot be used to stand up, the length of the rounds makes it easy for dominant wrestlers to suffocate opponents for an easy decision. Starting the fight standing only makes sense because what fight starts from the ground, even BJJ and wrestling specific competition start standing.
A good wrestler can pull off a takedown extremely quickly and can essentially keep you up against the cage or on the floor while you have to work very hard to get standing again. If you have an extremely strong wrestler, especially with a size advantage, they can use both the cage and the round length to their advantage even against over wrestlers. Look at the way Khabib has beaten even skilled wrestlers, go for the takedown, suffocate the fighter for a round or two, then proceed to ragdoll them or go for a submission. Because the other fighter has to fight to stand the entire time, people get gassed very quickly. The fact that certain parts of ground game that are actually quite effective at dealing with both takedowns and pinning aren't legal doesn't help.
Striking works in much the same way aside from odd punch luck, which is about as rare as a flying knee during a takedown attempt.
Wrestling is the most dominant style in the UFC for a reason.
People need to understand that a punch is a punch and a kick is a kick no matter where you learn it. What is important is the meta: structure and game plan, rules and strategy.
Kickboxing is not boxing with kicks.
MMA is not kickboxing with grappling.
YEAH, BEST COMENTARY EVER
"thats a boxing punch, a thau kick, a wushu defense" ,yeah, but no, its mma
Beyond that, knowing how to perform those techniques does not mean that you know when to use them, or how to set them up without getting your face filled in in the process :) My right cross is pretty devastating, but against someone who knows what they are doing, I'm probably not going to be able to land it, or if I do land one, and it doesn't end the fight, the other guy is going to be watching for it, so I'm probably not landing it again.
It’s ironic cause MMA striking today is a lot like “boxing with kicks”
@@JeffPenaify Yeah you're kinda right for a lot of guys like Masvidal, Gaethje, Usman, etc. But then there are the true strikers like Adesanya, Barbosa, Wonderboy, etc. Those dudes are true mixed strikers especially Style Bender.
No one ever finishes the Jack of all trades quote. So, here it is: "Jack of all trades master of none, but often better than the master of one".
Ok but I've heard the original quote was "Jack of all trades master of one" It has changed many times when translated to different languages and many languages have their own versions of it
Best quote: "There is nothing wrong with not being a professional cage fighter."
Im so relieved to hear this as i am not a professional cage fighter, but I do identify as one however.
Ha!
The second line here is the best line I've read so far
I have two cats. They both have a cage but I won't get inside. I'm too big a man for that.
I would never cage fight, too much Marine Corps PTSD, but if you can hang out in Oregon a sparring partner is here. When you put your fist into your palm to salute the fist means martial arts and the open palm means friends.
@@chopsueykungfu The best and most entertaining mma fights I've ever seen were between my cats.
I train. Mostly BJJ. Sometimes some striking days. Hobbyist. There ya go.
Same here! I got a business to run and a family to take care of. Bjj most of the time, striking every now and then
You can't train someone to pause during speaking the way Ramsey does. He's made it an art. Legendary
It the ancient art of thinking up what you’re going to say next.
Quality!!!!!!
@@RamseyDewey You and Barack Obama both. It avoids the umms and ahhs.
John Danaher also does this
Very 'Paul Harrell' like.
'shatneresque', even.
Ramsey, I fervently hope you make that encyclopedic breakdown you mentioned of positions in MMA vs. positions in BJJ. It sounds insightful and useful, like just about everything you produce.
That would be fantastic!
"Now get out there and train" always remind me of the sad fact that gyms are closed here...
Is the floor under your feet closed? If not, drop and give me 50 push-ups!
@@RamseyDewey Sir, yes sir!
@@RamseyDewey yes sir, I just did.
@@RamseyDewey what if it is?
@@blazingkitsune9020 then do some pull ups lol
"On their own time and on their own dime..."
Ramsey out here tryin to be a poet lol
Well, I say it's fine, 'cause it's Ramsey Dewey time!
In my opinion MMA started as a mixture of martal arts as the name implies, but it has really become its own style and fighting method.
That's exactly how it developed
When you mean it it’s really not. It is remembering the multiple arts you know
Thats what we said around 1995
The truth never gets stale to my ears.
How have you and Jocko not had a podcast together yet? You are both extremely so well disciplined and mindful of your speech patterns it is scary. Vastly different backgrounds yet you both ended up with very similar mindsets, mannerisms and podcasts. Your pauses and deep breaths while choosing the right word are almost identical. Make this happen and I’ll promise to keep training daily and maintain extreme ownership.
The clip at 0:20... that's some intense training
It's conditioning to increase the brain performance and the bed performance, very effective
Yes, Master Ken has very intense sessions.
I'm not even a hobbyist fighter, really. I do historical sword-fighting as a hobby but that's more of an interest than a martial art in the modern fighting sense. Nor am I particularly excited by your deep voice. I listen to you because you seem to me to talk sense, and you have the background and life experience to know what you are talking about, And you often make it entertaining as well.
Good work, thanks.
Surprised you didn't end this video with "get out there and train...or not" lol
NEVER
Any training is better than no training!
. . . I mean, unless it's like that Couch Fu nonsense.
You have to really get good at fence fighting to be competitive these days which is not taught in most jiujitsu or Muay Thai gyms. I'd love to see an alternative MMA promotion that uses karate combat's "ring" instead. The fence has become too much of a go-to stall method to defend against grappling for my tastes. I also wish we could get much longer rounds because the short rounds of most MMA matches promote lay-and-pray ground tactics to just wait for the bell. Longer rounds would create greater incentive for fighters to develop their ground game without harming standup.
Having a large flat surface would be great for competition. The ring heavily favours wrestling as is, you can essentially pin opponents against it, but they can't use it to get back up.
A flat surface still allows effective grappling, but it doesn't allow you to pin opponents on it, or for someone to get caged in (quite literally) so easily.
I'd say longer rounds is a good idea, but at the same time it would be great to encourage against the lay-and-pray that I can see becoming even more prevalent. That is high level wrestlers going for the takedown and holding the opponent down, many times not even going for a submission. Longer rounds do give opponents more time to react, but to a strong wrestler it might just mean more time to suffocate you. Wrestling is a key part of MMA, but under current rules it is extremely potent, more so than any of the other styles, and many wrestlers have crossed over with poor striking only to completely dominate their opposition.
If competitive MMA wants to emulate a "real fight" at the closest possible level they also need to get rid of those absurd rules concerning certain techniques. Small joint locks and 12-6 elbows should 100% be included, and these can be some of the most effective tools you have for preventing takedowns or dealing with suffocating wrestling.
They might not seem that effective on paper, but the elbows are one of the only effective strikes you can throw during a takedown or from certain positions, and small joint locks vastly increase your offensive ground game. They don't incapacitate an opponent, and I highly doubt you will submit someone unless you can break it, but you can pull of a toe/fingerlock from many positions and it gives you a good chance to escape at that point.
MMA rules just seem so janky to me, and apparently most of them were drafted up by a commission that had no experience with fighting. Which makes complete sense...
I agree with you for the most part though, did you perhaps hear this on the JRE? I have heard them discuss it several times
@@AveSicarius I didn't, does Joe Rogan share some of those views? I've got nothing against the guy, I just never really got into it.
I tend to agree; more allowed techniques is better than fewer. If one technique proves to be dangerous, then fighters will act in ways to avoid that technique like they already do. Sure, 12-6 elbows can injure, but so can a massive concussion from a high roundhouse. People really do have arms and knees broken by submissions on occasion. So it seems like we took an arbitrary stance on what was too dangerous or not too dangerous.
I’d imagine sumo suddenly becoming popular if pushing your opponent out of the ring suddenly becomes a option.
@@edrichlouw1790 Totally possible that there could be some sumo applied to that. That's sort of why I think karate combat's ring is the best though; it's not like a hard line in which if you cross it you reset it or something. It's got the gradient in between in bounds and out of bounds and if you get forced back onto it you're likely to be unbalanced.
@@AveSicarius most realistic would be bareknuckle boxing on concrete
Makes sense: if you want to train for MMA, train for MMA. If you want to train in BJJ, train in BJJ - etc. If you're training for fun, do whatever and if you're training for self-defense: pick a practical martial art/s and spar a lot.
If you're training for self defense, get a weapon.
@@varanid9 Most ‘Murican response ever. haha
@@varanid9 You can't even carry non weapons for self defence where i live
@@varanid9 owning a weapon alone isn't training. You have to put the time in to become an expert in that weapon.
@@chrisnoname2725 uk
Once again, I am *very* happy that I have learned something: there are some techniques that may apply to MMA but since you mentioned MMA is its own unique realm, it's best to learn MMA's precepts on its own. Salute! 🙏🏼
When will people realized that the old UFC where every "style" compete against each other no longer exist and train multiple styles at the same time is not MMA training. People back in the day even taught how to fight against the "Gracie takedown" when they didn't know how wrestling work.
I mean that old UFC was purposely designed to show off BJJ, initially anyway, they picked people who were single styled (such as pure boxers) because they were essentially completely open to the Gracie style.
There were mixed stylists even back then, none of them would have been placed into the competition. I mean even then, many of the fighters were low level pro's or just martial artists.
Take shoot wrestling, that was basically proto-MMA, and had excellent hybrid fighters like "The Gracie Killer" Sakuraba. We wouldn't see them compete until later on, because it took time for competitive MMA to become a more legitimate sporting event.
I'd say training multiple styles at the same time is technically MMA training, but it might not be effective in an MMA competition. Just knowing styles doesn't mean you can put them together properly. Most people who train BJJ, even alongside other styles, don't practice striking from opportunistic positions (or being hit while grappling), so they really aren't prepared for that dimension.
@@AveSicarius Actually Sakuraba was not a fighter yet when the first UFC events took place, and Ken Shamrock (a shootfighter who was fighting in "proto-MMA" in Japan) competed in them.
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Ken Shamrock was primarily a wrestler at that point, he didn't really show off striking until he was competing in pancrase, and even then it was really quite basic. Ken lost because he gave up his back as his ground game was not on par with Royler.
Sakuraba wasn't competing in MMA at that time no, but he already essentially had the skillset required to do so, he started competing in MMA in 1996, which is two years after UFC1 if I remember correctly.
There are other examples of MMA fighters at the time, Bas is one, who were more well rounded at that point.
My point was that the majority of fighters who were publicly invited were kickboxers and other single stylists, BJJ excels at destroying fighters with no grappling defense and as such these would be good matchups for Royler to show the strength of the style.
There were no invitations extended to Japanese fighters to my knowledge, and I think this stems from losses the Gracie's had to Judo practioners in the past (Kimura for example).
That Sakuraba beat four different members of the main family, and that they have had trouble with other Japanese fighters (who were judo/shootfighters) was the aspect I was focusing on.
@@AveSicarius wow, true
@@AveSicarius
Royce*
I had a hell of a time realizing that going belly down on the mat is offering up the win due to my high school wrestling I was trying to not be pinned rather than protecting from damage
I'm liking the noir style Ramsey!
Over the years I’ve done karate, boxing, muay thai, jiu jitsu, and mma. I thought I wanted to go professional with it, but I didn’t want to put in the sacrifices and incredible amount of work to do it.
I really hope this is sarcasm which I take it as.
@@mdpatterson99999 why do you think I’m being sarcastic? I’ve been practicing martial arts for 15 years, and when I first started, I thought about making a career of it. But as I got older, I’ve mainly been practicing as a hobby for fitness and combat skill. I started a family pretty young and didn’t want to make the sacrifices and dedication to be a professional, on top of other shit I had going on in life.
@@robertbeecroft5570 then just say you never actually wanted it and be honest with yourself... nothing wrong with that. If you did, you would have made those sacrifices. When I joined the Military, I knew exactly what I wanted and the small percentage of those who actually make it. I wouldn’t sign until my recruiter gave me the contract I was asking for and wouldn’t settle for less. Make it or break it at that point. Fail out and you get whatever MOS they decide. I wanted it and sacrificed everything to get it and have no regrets. I hear guys tell me all the time they wanted it but didn’t work out for (Insert every excuse). They didn’t want it and they should be proud of what they did. I have trained my entire life in various martial arts and earned worthless belts but keep training to be better with zero thoughts of going pro at any time. I have trained with pros and could hang in some aspects but not the entire game. I still train with them any chance I get to learn, not go pro. If my focus was on going pro you wouldn’t hear excuses, possibly failures (Note plural, not just one and done) but not I wanted it but didn’t want to sacrifice to get it...those words don’t go together. I hope you read this with an open mind and ego set aside because it is the truth in everything. Be proud of your training and family but don’t use them as an excuse. This is a major problem in our Country so I hope you don’t bother responding because this is all the time I will spend explaining why this type of comment irritates those of us who have sacrificed so others can make excuses.
@@mdpatterson99999 I would say that if it were true. When did I make excuses? I flat out said I didn’t want to make the sacrifices and work to go pro. That’s not an excuse, it’s an honest admission. Yes, I had a family, and yes, I had other shit going on. Which is why I reflected on it and decided I didn’t want it anymore. At my peak, I was training 6 hours a day. 3 in the morning, 3 in the evening. I was putting in the work. But my life changed and so did my mind set. I agree with you 100%, don’t get me wrong. Too many people make excuses and don’t take accountability for themselves and their lives. I’m not one of those. When I want something I weigh what it is compared to what it will take to get it, and then I act accordingly. If I decide it’s not worth what it would take to achieve it, I set it aside. As far as training goes, I’ll never fully set it aside. It’s something I love doing and it’s something I’m proud of. But I sure as hell am not one of those bitter, deluded fools sitting around saying “that could have been me.” Thank you for your input and your service! Love your name, by the way!
@@mdpatterson99999 everyone has things they want but wont make the sacrifices to get, because those sacrifices could still be important to us. It's just balancing your life and making a judgement call. Get off your high horse before it drops you.
BJJ beginner here amd I am here to listen to you talk about specific fight subjecs,yes.
But, most of all, I am here to understand the mentality of a fighter and the fight game as a whole.
Thank you for the video, it was quite helpful
Keep up this great content! you cover so many topics which I have seriously contemplated, but never knew the right source; Until I found your channel :)
Odds are, many people (including haters in your audience) are probably drawn to your videos because unconsciously your voice is deep. It’s something we’re potentially wired to respect.
But you also do indeed know a lot about what you’re talking about.
So your audience gets style (the deep, deep voice) but also substance (you’ve done / coach real combat sports).
And as you said, a small portion of your audience are pro fighters. So the world of professional sports & combat sports is novel, exciting, & seemingly clandestine to the rest of the audience who can live vicariously through your ideas, anecdotes, etc.
And it’s easier, not to mention safer, hearing stories & ideas about combat sport training than having to endure it.
It’s entertainment.
Certainly some of your audience also wants hear your input so they can ascertain just how ready they are “for da streetz” and want to live vicariously through your anecdotes, almost to the point of wanting your approval (“Go forth young man and live well, knowing you are indeed tough enough”).
The way a learned person (or a charismatic faker) speaks on a subject, especially one involving how to dispatch another person(s) in physical combat, can be very captivating, and being mesmerized alone can be (falsely) empowering, pleasurable, and entertaining by itself, not unlike a kid who believes in superheroes getting to meet the closest thing to a real-life superhero… or at the very least, like a kid after watching a MA movie, punching & kicking enthusiastically.
Aside from all of this, actually “[getting] out there and [training]”, even as or especially as a mere hobbyist, is also entertainment of one of the best possible kinds: It also leads to getting fit, making friends, and excludes having to face all the stuff that goes with being a pro fighter (injuries, personal heartache, $ mismanagement, etc) or a “street fighter" (legal hassles, hospital stays, jail time, trauma, & death).
"It's ok if you don't practice martial arts... now get out there, AND TRAIN!" lol
I do extreme sports and find some of the things you talk about motivating and enlightening. As someone who loves Bmx, snowboard, skating, and Scootering that is 😂 I train constantly. I honestly can't help but go out and learn/practice. (:
I train (for fun and my health), but another reason I watch videos about fighting is that it makes being a spectator more fun the more I understand what's going on.
Same reason I watch videos on making music, woodworking, or doing magic tricks: the more understand something, the more I can appreciate just how good the pros are.
I am really excited for this side by side comparison series. Please do one for bjj vs mma, wrestling vs mma, muay thai vs mma and for kickboxing vs mma. Would help a lot, because i started to help train the newbs recently. And boy, do they have many questions.
I trained a lot in the past, mostly TKD but second kickboxing, i never lost my interest in martial arts but i dont train martial arts anymore but i still keep a strict excesrise regime, i love the channel because it keeps me in touch with modern day martial arts and its realistic and honest, i like how unromantic you are about self defence ad martial arts too.
I see that Sambo and Pankration are still barely known around the world, 2 of the very few actual mixed martial arts
The problem with Pankration as far as I can tell is that it's heavilly watered down from it's original source. That, and they've had to try and reconstruct the techniques from bits of old pottery and whaterver archaeology can produce.
The problem with Pankration as far as I can tell is that it's heavilly watered down from it's original source. That, and they've had to try and reconstruct the techniques from bits of old pottery and whaterver archaeology can produce.
@@The_Mystical_Platypus Yes, at least about 10 years ago when I was still informed on the subject, they tried to revive it and even attempted to make a case for it to the Olympic committee, but they fucked up. I don't know the details and politics of it, but eventually 2 schools sprang out, one with a regular MMA mindset and the other with more of a cautious, commercial, "light contact" kind of mentality.
Sambo is, not practiced but its known in martial arts circles.
Retired pro mma fighter with 26 fights. Some people I train ask me when am I going to fight again. I told them I would need 6months of only training barley seeing my family and never seeing you all just to get my weight , fight conditioning and timing sharp before thinking about signing a bout agreement.
Very good video and I like most of your videos you are very thoughtful. I'm 67 years old with some injuries from a rough life. I have been training and one thing or another since I was about 14 years old with the idea of defending myself if I ever necessary.
I train BJJ and we constantly have to explain to newcomers at our gym that we offer BJJ, Kickboxing, and a mixture of both but we DO NOT train/ offer MMA. Thanks for posting this as it’ll help clarify a lot to these newcomers.
Brilliant assessments. Thank you.
Coach: ' That cage changes a lot of thing by the way'
Me: ( Thinking about Askren Vs Paul fight) sings aloud in Ozzy Ozbourne voice: Mr Askren what you got in you head
This is a real eye-opener, but also kick myself obvious! Definitely want to see the video comparing positions in bjj vs same positions in mma!
really great video ramsey. would love a pragmatic video on the differences between pure martial arts and mma
As someone that is not about that cage fighting life I do my best to avoid confrontation. But I love learning about fighting and martial arts of all types. One of my hobbies is writing and I try to use the stuff I learn from your videos, and others, to write better fights of all kinds. So I appreciate what you do, coach.
I also wish there was a gym within a decent driving distance of my home that taught boxing. I've looked and the closest is like 45 minutes away.
Swimming., & Tennis ??
I’ve dedicated 20 year of my life to taekwondo and I love it. I had to take a break from classes in the dojang to raise my son and be a family man. I wouldn’t call myself a professional fighter or even an amateur, although I would love to take up fighting again just to see how I compare or to see if I still can. I call myself semi-retired because I’ve been away from my club for 4 years but I still train at home. I do calisthenics with my focus to improve my martial arts. As for now I’m planning to get back into tkd again by opening up my own dojang to share my martial arts passion and pass my knowledge on to the next generation! Thanks for letting me ramble, I appreciate your videos and love your insights.
Intressting as always. I'm of the same mind. You gotta train for what you are doing. Skill Overlap is always a thing but nothing beats training for what you are actually gonna do.
honestly an eye opening video! I agree, separate discipline is more of a supplement but you still gotta take the actual meal! good video sir!
Great in depth explanation. I think this idea of a people having a base martial art is a bit of a hangover from early MMA days where it was one style v the other. There wasn't many real MMA gyms around so people generally cross trained in a few different arts and did their best to make the links. The rules set and environment will always dictate how the athletes fight.
>There wasn't many real MMA gyms around so people generally cross trained
Isn't "style vs style" was the whole point of mma?
Always appreciate your insight Ramsey 👍 keep the vids coming.🇺🇲🗽🦅
Ramsey Dewey's voice sounds like a massage for my ears.
Thank you for the upload bro ;::))
I really like the song a the start of this video! Is there anywhere I can listen to it fully? When did you learn to make music? Did you teach yourself? I feel like I've never heard you talk about how you make the music in your videos.
This video is extremely interesting!!! Specialization happens every time, even in a context which apparently is more free or involves a wider skill set, because when the context remains the same for long time (E.g. a ruleset) there is first adaptation and then evolution in relation to it!
I would love it if you did an mma grappling vs submission grappling video series. I train very seriously and would like to see you discuss this. I started out doing ibjjf styled gi and then I moved onto muay thai because I wanted to work on the clinches. I want to do an amateur mma fight soon, so please do. I am an amazing grappler and a good boxer but I am curious to see how I can fuse them together.
Hey Ramsey, great content as usual.
Quick 2 questions from a casual who trains as much as he can for a few years and isn’t driven to be pro, but wants to be the best he can be while still balancing my career, other hobbies(freediving) and family.
1. How many fights do you think you need before you can have an honest understanding of fighting.
2. I’m starting to find things in sparring that I’m particularly good at, I land lead leg kicks and back leg push kicks(though snappy not push),and counter rights, should I focus on the things I’m good at, or spend more time on the things I’m not having much success with.
Bonus question- because I’m tall people always lean in to overhand right and the back of the head is always painted with a big red target, is that a “legal” blow or is that pushing it.
ROFL. Well - your voice is kind of hypnotic... didn't even realize this is an MMA Channel ^^
Make that video Coach
im in , trying to understand it all , training mostly bjj with some mma class and muai thai sparring
More of these plz!
Hey ramsey I was wondering if you could make another video about clinch fighting in the context of mma?
I'm a very amateur learner though I have the basics in. I listen to you mostly to give me a heads-up of what and what not to do in a fight (without weapons) in general, mostly for practical self-defense situation (in which case i mostly just stick to crowds and run away when possible) x.x. I practiced mostly weapon arts (swords, spears, water bottles) but I think knowing some unarmed is indispensable.
Im an amateur who would great appreciate the video idea about grappling vs grappling!
You definetly need to make that video about grabbling in bjj and mma. Sounds super interesting!
yes you definetly have to make this comparison video! 🤤
I agree with what you have mentioned. I do believe that certain things can transfer but I believe it would be like training wheels for a bicycle and you would need a proper coach. I agree with what you have mentioned about the nuances of techniques because kicking would seem to be risky if you are not adapted for MMA. I recall many sparring sessions when I was not always successful in applying the armbar. If strikes were a part of the equation I know I would need to get into positions that would protect myself from my training partner's attacks. I also usually practice with a gi and that is a variable that I rarely see in modern MMA. I also cross-train in Boxing, wrestling, and Muay Thai and I would also like to add that the gloves are also a nuance as well.
Namaste brother another good video I wonder if in future Q and A with the coach you could discuss where you see the technical changes to striking strategy in MMA. I will give a example of calf kicks starting to be used much more frequently to good effect,saying that I have noticed a local MMA pro punching the tricep/Bicep/Trap area to great effect.If the fight reaches the 3rd round the opposition arms are down due to damage I also noticed he throws shin kicks to the same area.What are your thoughts?Always enjoy your content coach 🙏
I used to be half decent at bjj, now I’ve been focusing on mma for a year and do well with the cage grappling.
But I suck now doing bjj.
I like “the meat and potatoes quote”
My coach said “bjj is like a really fancy French entree, this is more meat n potatoes”
Focusing on any skillset will make you far better at said skills than a more diverse training regimen. It only makes sense really, there is only so much time in a day, and only so much we can learn.
I agree with your coaches statement completely though, BJJ is a good starting point, it looks nice, its fun, but if you wanna get down to it well rounded training is always superior for competition, and for self-defence.
Just FYI, I consider myself a hobby martial artist. I have been doing weight training for decades, kempo, kickboxing and lately kyokushin karate. I don't want to be a professional fighter. I want to keep getting better at fighting because it has been a coping mechanism for me and one day I want to teach it, so that others would be able to use it as a crouch in other arenas of life. I find your videos very humble, honest, eye opening and probably more philosophical than you might think. Thank you 😊.
I have had the thought for awhile:
1 get four sons
2 train one in karate, judo and kendo
3 train one in ninjutsu
4 train one in boxing, wrestling and jiujitsu
5 train one in Krav Maga
The survivor gets my inheritance.
Yet again people are getting hung up on styles rather than learning techniques that work for them in their sport. 🙄
7:54 Same token, mma fighters will get smoked by someone who trains mma equally, but also trains for headbutts, clothing, weapons, eye/throat attacks. You need to drill and train any technique to use it
Which is why I encourage MMA people to also learn jkd and I teach jkd people to learn MMA. Which sadly some are, ironically, too closed minded to do
@@stephanwatson7902 If I recall accurately, Miyamoto Musashi in his Book Of Five Rings brings up the topic of the silo mindset of the various sword schools during his period in time. And a big part of Musashi's success in winning his duels was in being very cognisant of the various gaps in combat philosophy of these schools.
Looks like this mindset is nothing new. I'm not surprised a lot of people love their echo chamber.
The chances that you would run into a highly trained mma fighter who is gonna attack you with weapons and you being of similar talent level but pulling of a win just because you happened to train in some groin, eye poke, hair pulling teqniques is next to zero.
I think "smoked" is a strong word. I would argue people often put too much faith in that shit. Pulling off those "lethal" techniques isnt as easy as people imagine. "I'm going to rake his eyes!" Cool. Can he slip a jab? Good luck getting near his face--he isn't going to let you, after all. And once the realization hits that you are being "dirty" and you went for his eyes, you're going to have an even harder time. Throat punches are super common, but again--they're hard to pull off. And like I said earlier--once the jig is up, any element of surprise you had is gone. Unless you can pull off a one-hitter quitter--and even head butts and neck punches are rarely that--you may just be making things worse for yourself. Like Bas Rutten says, "Never escalate a fight you are going to lose" because if they put you to sleep, you might wake up with parts missing. The same goes double for weapons. I actually think training "lethal" techniques is deleterious for the fighter, because of all these reasons. Because you can't ACTUALLY "do" the technique and thereby train for and understand its limitations, etc. you have to go off theory--and then you're in the land of make-believe. This is how the "drive his nose into his brain" myth started. I think sloppy fighters and lazy hobbyists will become that guy I described earlier, who starts to base his fight game off his willingness to claw someone's eyes out, instead of just training to be a better fighter. He'll be like the mall ninja who thinks carrying a pocket knife will mean he can take on anyone. But I digress...
@@CthonicSoulChicken agreed. Its much better to spend your time training what you can actually train and be aware of “lethal” techniques should the opportunity arrive. In my experience its usually people who dont train or dont trainfull contact who insist on the efficiancy of the “eye gouges, groin strikes, dim mak, etc...)
Thank you so much 😊
BJJ but after the lockdown finishes
YES PLEASE MAKE THAT VIDEO!
[x] here for the voice
iam not a fighter of any type and beyond elementary school i never had any physical confrontation in my entire life, but i train a lot to get more muscles, to stay physically healthy and just to improve. so i have a general interest in anything that makes me physically better and i like your philosophical point of view when it comes to sports and life.
Right around 3 minutes in, I knew that's what you were going to get at. Agreed 100%.
In the beginning, mma was kind of a competition of distinct styles. In the past twenty years however, it has evolved into its own distinct technique. Great video, thank you.
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I am not a professional fighter. I train mma. I train not to fight. I have not had to fight in almost 15 years now. Your response to Dale from DUST about how you handled being robbed at gun point was some of the best mma training I have heard. I like your deep voice as well. 🤠
since you asked maybe some information up front :D I am an amateur MMA fighter, but I've been training a bunch of different martial arts throughout my life and mostly do it for fun and health. I enjoy fighting competition once in a while, but it's not my main focus. The gym I'm training at is basically a mix of the different approaches. We do have MMA classes and MMA sparring days, but the majority of the classes are specialized. Boxing, Muay Thai, BJJ, Judo, etc. I think there's a benefit to learning the different disciplines from specialists, cause their knowledge just is way deeper in their personal field. But you need to keep in mind why you're training at it and the MMA coaches have an eye on our development and if we start doing something that's for example beneficial for Boxing, but not for MMA, they'll correct us.
lol I’m laughing my ass off I think this is the best podcast or vlog type of video you have created. Best quote ever and same one prisoners say but in thwt case related to a diff thing/topic, but in this case you are spot on right on the money:
„Most of you are just not about that sort of life.”
We need more people like you
Grew up doing TKD, Archery, HEMA
Began training in a JKD/MMA gym.
Studied and assisted instruction at a JKD/FMA gym in high school.
Been doing kungfu for 7ish years, trying to run a 'hobbyist club'
7:10 YOU SHOULD ASAP!! ihave never came across that everyone treat them as same thing, as if you can go to jiu jutsu class and directly do that in a mma fight.
Amen im digging the sermon. I like being a casual.... ive been watching boxing since i was a kid. Got into UFC about two years ago. Ive got 2 little kids and live an hour from the closest gym but im thinking about making the move. Id love to train properly just to get more appreciation for the sport. There’s a legit boxing gym $40 per month and then the gracie BJJ school at $100. Trying to decide the better value. Any ideas?
Well said. You can adopt an MMA lifestyle to get in shape and develop skills/self confidence etc without aiming for the UFC. It has a lot to offer everyone.
I loved this video of yours too, excellent point!
Btw, you should read out children's books on another channel. Your voice is so soothing.
There are few of those "magic comeback" moments, they are rare for good reasons. Good advice as always.
But if there is magic moment usually it is some sort of striking. Logically a lucky knock out punch/kick is the most likely.
"People need to see that"
We really do! Looking forward to the video!
Re Analytics:
Super-nerd just trying to get fit and wanting to understand something on a technical level. I have no real desire to compete but enjoy training for educational and fitness purposes.
Hey Ramsey, me again. What are your favorite fights to watch, physiquewise (if that makes sense). Ever since i watched Ruiz-Joshua, ive enjoyed watching fights wherein one guy is tall and lean whereas the other is short and stocky. Quite interesting to see them go at one another.
Dc vs stipe
I started training in an MMA gym about 2 and a half years ago. I had no background in anything but I am currently training in all the elements you spoke of. I will say while at my skill level I tend to get beat up mostly, I will say I don't bring in bad habits from a particular discipline like some of the guys in my gym. Don't get me wrong, I'm not capable of capitalizing on those bad habits yet but I see it when the pros spar in the gym. A lot of wrestlers in my gym make the mistake of dropping their knee or boxers will duck their head too low on a roll. It's clear when they're in a competitive match they tend to fade away from the all-inclusive approach we have in the gym and fall back to their specialty.
Hey ramsey, Im a martial artist and combat athlete with some big dreams. Im training for mma, Though i did start in boxing and spent a majority of my life doing boxing training, Ive also expanded my skillset by taking free youth classes or working up money to go to a couple muay thai and kick boxing gyms for months at a time. I carried over my training mentality from my boxing environment, Wich is that i should train both smart and effectively, and light hearted and fun. Pain is joy when expressed by a gladiator my friend. As a martial artist ive studied to deeper mechanics of boxing, The deeper meanings behind pugialism in the modern era. Ive tried to harmonize between violence and peace, hard work and restful play, wishful dreams and bad intentions, always keeping a balance.
I think many of your viewers are searching for a greater understanding, or have achieved one but wish to expand it by using the mental resource that is coach Ramsey's high fight IQ.
+1 for the shrimping video. It might settle a debate me and my friend have been having for a while.
I remember Icy Mike said something like :" as a fighter, you only have to be good at one thing and be ok at everything else" There's no such thing as jack of all trade, master of none fighter in MMA.
The only problem is, is that Ramsey is not even saying THAT. He is saying, train MMA for MMA sakes and that pursuing one or more disciplines and mastering them aren't necessary for MMA.
I mean, just think about how mediocre a fighter Khabib, Daniel Cormier, Dustin P, Kamaru U, and a whole list of other fighters would be if they didn't have one particular discipline that was further supplemental techniques.
The overall situation is going to be fighter dependent.
Stipe and GSP are Jack of all trades, master of some.
I guess this lesson would be like the basics. Always good to review the basics. Referring to the train for mma as it's own sport. My first mma gym kinda did this. But also kinda didn't. Wed have days were we trained mostly striking, some mostly grappling, not as often did we mix them but sometimes. 1 hr of conditioning and 1hr for techniques. When wed spar, we did 1 round of striking, 1 round of grappling, and the last round was mix. Which was good but also we didn't really learn how to bridge those gaps. There was a ground n pound class, but I never went cuz that was my 1 day off. Lol.
Hand to hand combat is one area of combat (among others) I *need* to be good at. MMA send to be the best methodology to become better in that skill. So I kinda love MMA now.
I remember back in there was a break dance contest and a group of gymnast guys participated, they where disqualified for doing gym acrobatics not actual break dancing.
Which goes to show, doesn't mean you're flexible doesn't mean that's the right form of dancing/martial art you're using in a certain contest.
I started training years ago for a supplement to fitness with my CrossFit/bootcamp workouts (diff businesses) and keeping my head in the mindset of self defense and understanding others movements. I have no ambition to be a fighter. I’m older 57 and have a full time job with kids. I could throw hands well before training in boxing (primarily) and recently added in more kicks and self defense moves with some techniques used in judo and Bjj. I feel like I’m building a project in myself with my training. Mentally I think it’s just the best way for me.
Street fighting isn’t fun so I would rather not engage in that....no ego fighting with me.....but at times self defense is necessary. Learning to handle yourself and the discipline of your emotions gives you a major advantage. Avoid confrontation is my belief but if it has to happen I’m ready from many years of training, military and street fighting. I know what hurts others and most men have little to no idea of distance in fighting or simple skills in throwing punches or avoiding them. They know looping overhand rights and over extended punches. They don’t see weight shifting or a lead shoulder dipping down or maybe even someone’s feet moving to get ready to do something because they don’t train at all. All I’m saying is a little training is better than none and a lot of training is even better and hopefully it’s from a great coach or mentor. Jmo.👍
@Ramsey Dewy hey coach, been awhile. Thinking about how pure style operations translate into MMA, how about a fun idea to entertain. Which fighter from a more pure style era of MMA(Before 'MMA training' was a thing), do you think would be best adapted to fighting the modern era of UFC fighter?
In your opinion, what would be the best to train in for self defense or "street fight"(not an organized one or seeking conflict, but an unavoidable, can't get out of the situation self defense scenario) mma, krav maga, muay thai, anything else, etc...
Obviously if you have any training and the other guy has none that puts you in advantage as most guys don't know how to take a hit, but would be an ideal/optimal choice?
I'm looking to join something, I've learned a couple things through military but there's a (maybe surprisingly?) lack of hand to hand self defense training, and looking for a gym to train civvy side.
Wow. I live in LA, the South Bay. I was fortunate to have access to Gracie, to machado, to jkd all here locally.... (and chuck norris etc etc) .... but your videos really help to explain the “reality” of modern mma fighting. I wish I was younger and had you as my coach. Now I am but a keyboard warrior and... I am not worthy!
My first martial arts instructor used to have a saying about running a gym. It was something along the lines of you have to have 50 sheep to keep the 5 lions feed. I think that this applies to that
Question for ya coach! I've been training for a few years, started in boxing and muay thai, moved over to MMA in the way you'd put it, no intention of competing but I'm fortunate enough to work with the active fighters in my gym a little bit and help out with rounds here and there. When you talk about gyms just pandering to casuals, I can't help but wonder if that's a complete assessment. For sure, on one hand it sells really well, "Come to x number of boxing classes and x number of BJJ classes and then you too can learn how to cage fight," but on the other hand, like you mentioned, MMA is complicated! I'm not sure there's a good starting point to get into it. At least with striking, we started with stance and then each of the weapons you have, learning how to put those together into combinations, incorporating feints, learning to manage distance and angles, setting traps and all that jazz, but how do you start a beginner in MMA without just drowning them in info? It's one thing to learn you punching range vs your kicking range, but then you incorporate takedowns, clinch work, submissions, traps from guard, when to strike vs when to sweep...I guess my question is do gyms teach separate disciplines out of pandering, necessity, or a mix?
Its bot really pandering--it's just good business. 90% of a gym will be full of hobbyists who prefer one aspect over the others. Some will cross train, but most pursue what they like. MMA is a turn off for a lot of people because its complex and they quickly see how I'll prepared they are for it and how much time they need to put into it. That 10% who truly want to fight are best served by having their own training time, separate from everyone else. A fight team needs to train with fighters--not hobbyists. How do you determine who really wants to fight? See who comes to class the most, puts in the most time and actually competes. THAT guy won't "drown" in info. He'll be ready for the complexity that MMA brings. His dedication will see him through.
@@CthonicSoulChicken
Beginning = A) lways ringcraft.,
Either solid punch / quick kick.,
Tackle/Clinch., Covers., ShootLeg ; Sprawling, & recover range.
Add specific technique only when obserVe can see a strategy emerge, that's advantageous for individual.
I used to train fo da streetz, now mostly for fun and fitness at an mma gym that does Monday night kickboxing and no gi grappling classes for example, tuesday kickboxing and gi BJJ, etc.
There is not much emphasis on the sport of mixed martial arts (like you say it beautifully) and combining striking and grappling, but mma classes are by far the least popular.
There are 'kickboxing for everyone' classes where people only do combinations on each others gloves where the whole mat is crowded almost daily, and there are lots of still pretty popular kickboxing competition classes full of gym wars.
Grappling is slowly getting bigger, mma classes have like 4 or 5 people and no competition fighters most of the time.
I've got a work/scheduling question. Where I'm training at were about to have to reschedule judo and wrestling and I really like both but my work schedule works against the reschedule, should I try to switch from the 3pm to 1am 2nd shift to the 5am to 3pm first shift which does give the added benefit of more consistent Muay Thai and BJJ rolling or find another job? I've been where I'm at for 5 years wich is why I'm asking.
What if the twins trained exclusively in knitting and then crocheting, or visa versa, which one could make you a better sweater? Does it come down to the stitches?
Yeah, but a lot of the elite MMA fighters start in something more focused as a child/kid. Wrestling (especially wrestling), Jujitsu, Judo, Boxing, Karate, ....etc.
Because when they were kids they didn't have dedicated MMA gyms. We are at the mercy of our environments. You grow up where you grow up, and you train in whatever gym is available. As your resources change or increase, then do do your opportunities.
@@CthonicSoulChicken Well there have been mma focused gyms for a while now. Where are the pure mma background fighters at? Israel the kickboxer Usman the wrestler .... etc
@@joshuabrant3487 That's a ridiculous statement. Most everyone starts with contact sports at a young age--typically school athletics like wrestling. While MMA gyms have certainly been around for awhile, they aren't nearly as ubiquitous as wrestling in school--not to mention many countries have not been as quick to embrace MMA and still have a higher density of kickboxing gyms, boxing gyms, etc.
@@CthonicSoulChicken A question is not a statement
@@CthonicSoulChicken Also if anything mma fighters have become more specialized and segregated again. Israel is a better striker than Anderson, but Israel is not a grappler by any stretch of the imagination lol. Anderson had a black belt in bjj despite being known mostly for his muay thai. Same with Lyoto Machida he is known for his karate striking, but again had a blackbelt in bjj. Wonderboy is the new karate guy and his grappling game is practically non existent. Never in a million years is Wonderboy going to win a fight by submission he knows just enough wrestling to keep the fight standing or try and struggle to his feat. Khabib is one of the best wrestlers ever in ufc, but his striking is a joke compared to GSP and so on.
I find a blend of Sanda and Muay Thai rules is the best striking specific training for MMA. Basically Sanda rules, but including knees, elbows and unlimited time in the clinch.