Yeah it depends on the person I know people who can’t stand incline because it hurts their shoulders but I feel for me it’s significantly more comfortable on my shoulders than flat bench.
I would consider looking into TRT could have many benefits to your physical and mental performance but also will allow you to build muscle properly as test levels go downwards after 40ish
Good for you man and good luck. My Dad is 58 and ive seen his fitness+health rapidly decline in recent years. I know he is not gonna be as strong as he used to be but I wish he'd take better care of himself! He has kinda just given up on working out at a time where its probably the most important for his longevity. I dont know how to motivate him, hes never listened to me in my whole life and he prob wont start now lol
If incline press was the standard we would see way more developed upper pecs, the flat barbell bench is great but slight incline dumbbell may be the true king of chest hypertrophy.
Yes. If you are able to have that range of motion. The stretch on the muscle would be greater. I unfortunately can't due to shoulder injuries. I can do full ROM but not past that.
I'm glad someone has finally voiced this opinion because I have felt this way for a long time. Flat bench was the source of my shoulder impingement and after 5 months in PT my physical therapist concluded that incline bench is just objectively safer for my shoulders. I'm now of the opinion that unless you're a powerlifter, flat bench can honestly be replaced with chest press machines, push ups, and the like, and you will find amazing results with significantly less cost. If you wanna build your chest, you don't have to rely on the bench, especially if it's hurting you.
@@Reaper1808 It has healed up tremendously but it's taken more than a half a year to be able to flat bench again. To this day it's pretty much the only exercise that really strains my shoulders regardless of grip width, foot placement, or arch. I think some body types just don't work well with benching
@@Enokha A myriad of stretching and strengthening techniques, a lot of needling, and importantly a ton of time away from overhead lifts and especially bench. A big problem for me was overreliace on and a disproportionate development of my delts compared to my rotator cuff muscles so I spent a lot of time strengthening the rotator cuffs and carefully perfecting my form on every other exercise. It was pretty humbling to stop lifting so needlessly heavy and focus more on what my body was telling me. To this day it never 100% healed and the occasional small twinges of pain serve as ego-checks to be careful and respect my body.
Exact opposite for me, incline and front shoulder press absolutely kills my shoulders. I go all out on flat bench and behind the head shoulder press and my shoulders feel great.
He's talking about the shoulder joint (including ligaments, socket etc) not the shoulder muscle. .the shoulder muscle he says is being used more during the incline
@Slimothy James Flat bench with barbell is only necessary for powerlifting meets. If you're just looking to build muscle and get stronger you won't be penalised much for avoiding barbell flat bench.
Same here. Inclines bother my rotator cuffs, but I have always had lagging upper pecs. I have found machine inclines are more comfortable to me. I prefer declines over flat too and always did flat or decline before incline because I could use more weight thinking it would lead to more mass, but thinking of doing inclines first to try to hit the upper chest harder.
Great video I only do incline st bar bench. A flat bench I save for my Dumbell Pullovers, plus some dumbell flyes. I'm 56 yrs old and have trained for 40 yrs. Really enjoy your video and advice. 💪🏻🙏🏻✨
Years ago decline tore my rotator cuff with an audible pop, and was barely able to re-rack the bar. I pretty much only do dumbbells these days, if not on a machine. Just recently started watching some of these guys on YT and now focus on incline bench.
Yes, the incline bench is also my first choice. I feel the chest better with that. And I can see the difference. I combine incline bench press (more for upper chest) with dips (lower chest).
I agree on less strain on shoulder joint during incline. Flat bench has always made my shoulders feel uncomfortable compared to incline. I think theres more drain on the shoulders, during incline, but less strain.
Hi Jay, Could you make a video tell about pain in training : shoulder pain, neck pain, knee pain, lower back pain, elbow pain,ankle pain, thoracic spine... And how to avoid, how to recover. Thanks
Love the old school training videos of you Jay they where and are still the best always made me laugh when your Wife(girlfriend) used to help you spot 😂👍🇳🇿
YO BIG BRUTHA JAY… I LIKE HOW YOU DO THE INCLINE PRESS AT A 30* DEGREE SETTING TO EMPHASIZE CHEST SND SHOULDERS I AM GOING TO PUT THAT IN MY PULL WORKOUT REGIMEN… THANX DAWG👊🏿💯🙏🏿
i was literally thinking of making the switch to flat bench on tomorrows push day but after reading yalls comments i think me & my rotator cuffs are happy on the incline 💀
Interesting that he says that, because I feel like im the opposite. I strain my shoulders every time I incorporate incline push movements for a prolonged period of time.
I stopped doing flat bench a while ago because it would hurt my elbows for some reason , even when I would adjust my form and grip and once I switched to incline between two different positions it would engage my chest way more and it's way more comfortable
"Less strain on the joints." I'm calling cap on that, I've injured my rotator cuff more times on incline than I ever did on flat bench. I don't think I ever injured my rotator cuff on flat bench actually.
Jay’s barbell pressing comes in very high on the chest. Essentially clavicle, like a guillotine press. Quite extraordinary and will definitely pump the chest as long as the shoulders remain externally rotated to avoid discomfort.
Glad to see in the comments I wasn't the only one dumbfounded by the less strain on the joints comment for incline bench. I have a very respectable flat bench strength but struggle to up weight on incline only because my shoulders feel terrible doing incline. Interesting he feels different. Do agree though that its an area people struggle with and it is super important physique wise.
He is right, flat bench will put more "painful" strain on your front delts, kind of the Arnold press behind the head, or the lat pulldown behind the head.
I always like incline in hs, the guys who brought there ass two feet off the flat bench couldnt do that on incline and there weights level dropped but since i never lift my but off the bench my incline was always way better than theres
Jay I just wanted to know I do 6 sets of Incline and then I superset pec decs with flat is it good or not?? Cause I think I am quite weak on upper chest
This might have been said taking into consideration that everyone tries to hit PRs on flat benches and no one really cares about weight on the inclines
I say do both incline Bench Press and Flat Bench Press, I would start with shoulder press with dumbbells and seated rows with dumbbells as you get older need to your back strong, pectoral and shoulder injury and rotor cuff three years not working yesterday I ended that , I feel been then ever my first working out again 1 st of year January to December 31st start strong and finished strong I feel motivated to be a better person and positive everyday 😊😊😊😊 I will be working out five a week and Saturday and Sunday off, I'm ready for excellence , happy New Year's week.
"Less strain on the joints." As he reps 405 on incline bench. 💀💀💀
Imagine the weight he would be pressing if he went to failure and would not do as many sets or rested over minute between sets🤯
You dropped this 💉
@@JPIQQG - He said in an interview that it wasn’t 405
@@ThyFilthyCasual That is literally the most irrelevant comment I’ve ever seen today
Just 3 plates
I think that's the first time I've ever heard someone say incline was easier on their shoulders.
Yeah it depends on the person I know people who can’t stand incline because it hurts their shoulders but I feel for me it’s significantly more comfortable on my shoulders than flat bench.
My shoulders die on incline barbell but incline dumbell is fine.
@@stin35 try using a close grip. Also way better in terms of upper chest activation
Every kind of bench works fine for me... Those who have a problem with shoulders shouldn’t have super wide grip
@@oremilosavljevic309 yeah man i have very long arms so i cant do close grip
He chose his spotter such that he knows its life or death situation if anything goes wrong
Knowing Jays training style the spotter doesnt really matter. My man did a fuck ton of sets short of failure with small rest time.
Jay is in such control of the weight he could easily dump it from side to side on his own even, at failure. Novice.
@@jabbadabba1978 he could easily dump a plate with 405 on the bar?? Lmao okay buddy
@@TheBoon14 without question. Pal.
@@TheBoon14 he did more than 10 reps with those 405 and he didn't reach failure. I bet he can throw it on the floor infront of him if he fails.
The ease at which he presses 405 is wild 💪
his spotter alone shows that 315 aint shit🧐
Thank you for your advice….I’m a 55 year old man getting back into muscle training
Give em hell
I would consider looking into TRT could have many benefits to your physical and mental performance but also will allow you to build muscle properly as test levels go downwards after 40ish
I'd suggest you stick with dumbbells for the best shoulder mobility as well
@@grandjunctionguy thanks…. I’ll take any advice… I’ve lifted before but this time I’m very serious about this…
Good for you man and good luck. My Dad is 58 and ive seen his fitness+health rapidly decline in recent years. I know he is not gonna be as strong as he used to be but I wish he'd take better care of himself! He has kinda just given up on working out at a time where its probably the most important for his longevity.
I dont know how to motivate him, hes never listened to me in my whole life and he prob wont start now lol
Jay was a lot stronger than he actually lifted but he’s a clever guy and that’s why he’s still in good health/shape now.
4 plates and it looks like he’s doing it in a machine. Incredible control.
His spotter is like:
*”bro, if you fail a rep you’re on your own “*
Straight to the point!
Thanks jay for sharing the valuable information,we appreciate you!
God bless y’all!
If incline press was the standard we would see way more developed upper pecs, the flat barbell bench is great but slight incline dumbbell may be the true king of chest hypertrophy.
Yes. If you are able to have that range of motion. The stretch on the muscle would be greater.
I unfortunately can't due to shoulder injuries. I can do full ROM but not past that.
I'm glad someone has finally voiced this opinion because I have felt this way for a long time. Flat bench was the source of my shoulder impingement and after 5 months in PT my physical therapist concluded that incline bench is just objectively safer for my shoulders. I'm now of the opinion that unless you're a powerlifter, flat bench can honestly be replaced with chest press machines, push ups, and the like, and you will find amazing results with significantly less cost. If you wanna build your chest, you don't have to rely on the bench, especially if it's hurting you.
Has tour shoulder impingement gone away? I have the same problem with flat bench
@@Reaper1808 It has healed up tremendously but it's taken more than a half a year to be able to flat bench again. To this day it's pretty much the only exercise that really strains my shoulders regardless of grip width, foot placement, or arch. I think some body types just don't work well with benching
interesting, what did you do to rehab your impingement?
@@Enokha A myriad of stretching and strengthening techniques, a lot of needling, and importantly a ton of time away from overhead lifts and especially bench. A big problem for me was overreliace on and a disproportionate development of my delts compared to my rotator cuff muscles so I spent a lot of time strengthening the rotator cuffs and carefully perfecting my form on every other exercise. It was pretty humbling to stop lifting so needlessly heavy and focus more on what my body was telling me. To this day it never 100% healed and the occasional small twinges of pain serve as ego-checks to be careful and respect my body.
Bro 💯
Absolutely the hardest, thanks my man for the motivation💜💜💜
That’s what she said…allegedly.
69th like. LETS GOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I sense a disturbance in the force.
fax on incline i feel more shoulder muscles working but less shoulder joint stress
Exact opposite for me, incline and front shoulder press absolutely kills my shoulders. I go all out on flat bench and behind the head shoulder press and my shoulders feel great.
Same here. Some people just have a different shoulder structure.
At the end of the day do what works for you and you comfort level
@@JOHNPT10 exactly
He's talking about the shoulder joint (including ligaments, socket etc) not the shoulder muscle. .the shoulder muscle he says is being used more during the incline
Icnline kills your shoulders but behind the neck shoulder press doesn’t? 🤔 lol
Agreed, always do incline rather than flat.
do both
I like to do just one notch up on the bench sometimes. Seems to be a good sweet spot
Information like this is why Jay's the 🐐!!
I feel soo much more comfortable flat benching. Incline I also take it easier as I worry more about my shoulders vs flat.
Opposite for me lol
@Slimothy James how do you train your chest?
@Slimothy James Flat bench with barbell is only necessary for powerlifting meets. If you're just looking to build muscle and get stronger you won't be penalised much for avoiding barbell flat bench.
Same here. Inclines bother my rotator cuffs, but I have always had lagging upper pecs. I have found machine inclines are more comfortable to me. I prefer declines over flat too and always did flat or decline before incline because I could use more weight thinking it would lead to more mass, but thinking of doing inclines first to try to hit the upper chest harder.
Great video I only do incline st bar bench. A flat bench I save for my Dumbell Pullovers, plus some dumbell flyes. I'm 56 yrs old and have trained for 40 yrs. Really enjoy your video and advice. 💪🏻🙏🏻✨
"When you wake up in the morning, I believe going to the bathroom and then taking a shower is a great way to start the day." Jay Cutler 2023
Mike O’Tren disagrees with Jay and he wants to instruct Jay on what he does in the morning to start the day.
lol
Yep gotta do those two things in the morning or else it's gonna be a bad day. 😁
Hopefully in that order. 😊
Years ago decline tore my rotator cuff with an audible pop, and was barely able to re-rack the bar. I pretty much only do dumbbells these days, if not on a machine. Just recently started watching some of these guys on YT and now focus on incline bench.
I noticed the reduced pain in shoulder for incline. Dropped the flat completely.
Yes, the incline bench is also my first choice. I feel the chest better with that. And I can see the difference. I combine incline bench press (more for upper chest) with dips (lower chest).
No one ever talls about the wrists handling all this weight like a total boss. They never get the credit that they deserve, it's wild to think about.
4 plates incline bench oh my. Jay still looking great even now man is JACKED!!!! Great content from a legend.
Yo Jay keep posting 👍👍👍👍👍right on point !!!
I agree on less strain on shoulder joint during incline. Flat bench has always made my shoulders feel uncomfortable compared to incline. I think theres more drain on the shoulders, during incline, but less strain.
Jay quad stomp Cuttler, absolute legend!.
Hi Jay, Could you make a video tell about pain in training : shoulder pain, neck pain, knee pain, lower back pain, elbow pain,ankle pain, thoracic spine... And how to avoid, how to recover. Thanks
Love the old school training videos of you Jay they where and are still the best always made me laugh when your Wife(girlfriend) used to help you spot 😂👍🇳🇿
I couldn’t agree more. I always felt much more comfortable in an incline press as far as shoulder strain.
Incline is so underrated.
I always prioritize the upper chest, it's helped a lot with my chest's aesthetic in general.
And this why Jay is great condition for his age after all his hard training! Respect!
YO BIG BRUTHA JAY… I LIKE HOW YOU DO THE INCLINE PRESS AT A 30* DEGREE SETTING TO EMPHASIZE CHEST SND SHOULDERS I AM GOING TO PUT THAT IN MY PULL WORKOUT REGIMEN… THANX DAWG👊🏿💯🙏🏿
Thanks Jay💯
Priceless information
Huge fan Jay and I'm loving your content💯
i was literally thinking of making the switch to flat bench on tomorrows push day but after reading yalls comments i think me & my rotator cuffs are happy on the incline 💀
Interesting that he says that, because I feel like im the opposite. I strain my shoulders every time I incorporate incline push movements for a prolonged period of time.
Same flat bench feels way nicer on my shoulders.
Thanks for the tips bro 💪
Chest is really the hardest workout to get a mind muscle connection but once you really learn how to engage it ur g
For me it was back
Man back and legs are hard for me. Tbh I can't even do it with my legs. I just push heavy ass weight on squats and hope I can get it for 5 or 8.
i got huge back and legs and chest is the hardest for me to grow properly
Nah chest is easy just do dips , lats is hard though
Kneeling landmine press works great on the upper pecs and helps create that defined look.
Wow this natty looks amazing 😜
Actually worked for me, I had shoulder pain on bench press and incline no longer have it
Jay Cutler could've passed for an adult film star back then 😂
Decline press is my favorite and feels best on my shoulders
Thanks Jay!!!
Jay does the best. ❤
I always hit my 5x5 flat, then hit my 3x10 with different inclines. Throw in some dips at the end and your chest is screaming after.
Love starting off my chest session with incline bench. I'm stronger on incline to gonna do a chest and shoulder session today
true Jay, its also goo fou building a good front shoulder shape that fits to your chest and to me it's also easier to my shoulders
hugs bro
I stopped doing flat bench a while ago because it would hurt my elbows for some reason , even when I would adjust my form and grip and once I switched to incline between two different positions it would engage my chest way more and it's way more comfortable
Stability/imbalance issue
Jay is repping 4 plates on incline. His shoulder joints are made of diamond.
I've always found I can go heavier on incline as well
"Comfortability"
"More of the shoulders" yeah, my left one would agree😅
100% agreed Jay!!
Me too, because laying flat requires a pillow when you have big traps and thick back, your heads just floating there or falling back bending your neck
It's like when teacher asks u a question and u don't know the answer
Thank you ❤
I feel the same. Flat BB feels horrible on the shoulders for me especially when going heavy. Incline feels amazing. Dumbbell flat is good though.
Can confirm that it's easier for me to do go up to 225 on an incline bench rather than a flat bench
"Less strain on the joints." I'm calling cap on that, I've injured my rotator cuff more times on incline than I ever did on flat bench. I don't think I ever injured my rotator cuff on flat bench actually.
Jay’s barbell pressing comes in very high on the chest. Essentially clavicle, like a guillotine press. Quite extraordinary and will definitely pump the chest as long as the shoulders remain externally rotated to avoid discomfort.
I don't know if that birds gonna manage that wieght if it goes
I do both, back to back.
Ngl that female spotter is grabbing the bar too much lol
what is she gonna do if the bar falls
@@plusxz821 Practically no person is going to be able to do much at all if the bar dropped from his hands.
@@plusxz821 Scream for help
Are you supposed to do all 3? Flat/ inclined/ decline bench and chest fly movements. 😊
I love both but I burn out my chest with incline better
I'm learning bench still (mainly did dips up til now) and I've been finding this to be true but thought it was just me
The King of the Incline Press
Incline ruined my shoulders I'm pretty certain
I wish my gym had a stationary incline bench
Glad to see in the comments I wasn't the only one dumbfounded by the less strain on the joints comment for incline bench. I have a very respectable flat bench strength but struggle to up weight on incline only because my shoulders feel terrible doing incline. Interesting he feels different. Do agree though that its an area people struggle with and it is super important physique wise.
He is right, flat bench will put more "painful" strain on your front delts, kind of the Arnold press behind the head, or the lat pulldown behind the head.
I've been doing this for years. I haven't done flat for awhile
Got no problems with my upper pec finding it harder to hit the lower 😅
so good!
This is true, after my ac injury I can rep 225 for more on incline than I can on flat
I always like incline in hs, the guys who brought there ass two feet off the flat bench couldnt do that on incline and there weights level dropped but since i never lift my but off the bench my incline was always way better than theres
Jay I just wanted to know I do 6 sets of Incline and then I superset pec decs with flat is it good or not??
Cause I think I am quite weak on upper chest
You want to work your upper pecs ? Do lateral shrugs on a low pulley.
THANX JAY… I WILL NOW DO MORE INCLINE BENCH TO WORK ON CHEST..(upper chest)…
Incline barbell press and flat Dumbell press ❤
Really good information
Worst spotter grabbing the bar so much when he’s still repping it out
I agree, incline is the way to go
This might have been said taking into consideration that everyone tries to hit PRs on flat benches and no one really cares about weight on the inclines
I tore my pec to shreds on that bench 😢 will never look at flat bench the same again.
Nah, I feel safer doing the regular flat press
Online barbell destroys my shoulders so hard,. I can't do it. But even flat makes problems now
Sure I also prefer it nowadays but u need to do both. And shoulder press plus at least 1 or 2 sets of decline or u quite simply are being left behind
Less strain on the shoulders that’s what I like about the incline bench press as a 63 pro natty
Amazing
Jay's spotter is the strongest in the gym
The pectoralis major is 2/3 of the pec muscle, incline bench presses are a must.
I started doing this and my chest is on fire with gains
🧢
He ‘s right because my have improved sense I started
LegitNess 💪🏻 try your incline low for optimal upper engagement
I say do both incline Bench Press and Flat Bench Press, I would start with shoulder press with dumbbells and seated rows with dumbbells as you get older need to your back strong, pectoral and shoulder injury and rotor cuff three years not working yesterday I ended that , I feel been then ever my first working out again 1 st of year January to December 31st start strong and finished strong I feel motivated to be a better person and positive everyday 😊😊😊😊 I will be working out five a week and Saturday and Sunday off, I'm ready for excellence , happy New Year's week.