Are Range Rovers still really unreliable?

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  • čas přidán 6. 02. 2024
  • Range Rover has had its share of problems in the past but is that terrible reputation for reliability still deserved? MotoMan attempts to answer that question by living with the updated for 2024 mild hybrid Range Rover Velar P400 SE. He takes the learning from the Range Rover Velar and compares it against real world data from @landrover and Range Rover owners. The answer may surprise you.
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  • @notsodelusional
    @notsodelusional Před 4 měsíci +32

    To be fair, almost any vehicle with air ride suspensions are subject to expensive repairs.

  • @electrikoptik
    @electrikoptik Před 4 měsíci +69

    The fact of the matter is that Land Rover still score yearly low when it comes to reliability, build quality etc according to Consumer Reports and JD Power. Back in 2021 Land Rover’s CEO admitted they have a reliability/quality issue and he vowed to tackle this. That CEO stepped down last year 😂.

    • @CMCNestT
      @CMCNestT Před 4 měsíci +5

      Fact is JLR is no longer lapped by the rest of the industry when it comes to reliability and durability scores. They are usually last if Maserati is not included but they have closed the gap.

    • @Gandrewjm
      @Gandrewjm Před 4 měsíci +7

      Also, those reliability surveys are mostly of older models. This latest generation (of the RR and RRS anyway) has been very encouraging so far.

    • @ggolds5
      @ggolds5 Před 3 měsíci +1

      @@Gandrewjm Encouraging by who?. The 2024 Consumer Reports and JD Power reliability scores has them dead last or in the bottom 4. Chrysler however went disastrously down below LR and below Alpha Romeo. That said I really love the Defender and I'm trying to decide if I'm up to the task of dealing with potential issues again. My previous 3 LR products were abysmal, but the last one, an Evoque 2014 was horrendous. (10 years ago).

    • @Gandrewjm
      @Gandrewjm Před 3 měsíci +3

      @@ggolds5 As I said, those reliability surveys are mostly of older models, so the same problems, of the same vehicles, are reported year, after year, after year...... The NEWER models starting with the 2022 RR have been reporting fewer problems per model year compared to previous years. This is encouraging for the brand and if they keep it up, it should result in a gradual climb in reliability rankings.
      I have some experience in that my dad and my uncle have always owned RR vehicles without any issues. Personally I have never owned one for myself and I was planning to buy a current generation RRS, but the insanely long wait periods for delivery made me change my mind. I'll try again when JLR's production catches up to the huge demand, and the wait period is more reasonable.

    • @dcgeeked8917
      @dcgeeked8917 Před 2 měsíci

      now things are better

  • @ckm-mkc
    @ckm-mkc Před 4 měsíci +42

    My Jaguar F-Pace - mechanically identical to the Velar - has destroyed two turbos in 67k miles.... Some things you can live with, like failing buttons, electronics, etc. But a catastrophic failure like a turbo is a big problem....

    • @Hennessy198
      @Hennessy198 Před 3 měsíci +4

      Do you have the 4cyl by any chance? I haven't heard of a turbo going bad on the 6cyl nor the supercharger on the 8. The 4cyl natural power ain't great, so people tend to push the turbo way harder than they should to get it to up and go.

    • @dcgeeked8917
      @dcgeeked8917 Před 2 měsíci

      user error

  • @ronnymb67
    @ronnymb67 Před 4 měsíci +10

    After 100,000 miles?! I was a service rep at a Rover dealer. We had a brand new Sport sitting on the new vehicle delivery pad with collapsed air suspension. Needless to say the guy did not want to sign the papers on it and wanted another one 😅

  • @aaaaachew
    @aaaaachew Před 4 měsíci +14

    I will never buy another Land Rover product. Had 2021 Evoque and 2023 Velar, both were disasters. They were under warranty but they spent more time at the dealership than in my driveway. What baffles me is they seem to be clueless as the fact that it’s hurting their reputation because both the reality and perception of unreliability Is now with them like a badge.

    • @Davek111
      @Davek111 Před 3 měsíci

      A well deserved badge!

    • @ggolds5
      @ggolds5 Před 3 měsíci +1

      You would think, but they still seem to sell pretty well. Then you have people like me who still want one even though my own experiences with 3 of them were awful. Must be something in the Land Rover water.

    • @dcgeeked8917
      @dcgeeked8917 Před 2 měsíci +1

      you're buying the wrong engines

  • @ronylauwers8140
    @ronylauwers8140 Před 3 měsíci +4

    Our Landrover Freelander 2 : 255000km, Range Rover Sport : 190000 km. Super happy with both cars. Great to drive.

  • @cincyrovers
    @cincyrovers Před 4 měsíci +11

    I had an LR4 for ten years and it was mostly reliable until the 70k mile mark. Between then and when I sold it with 95k miles, I put in nearly ten grand into fixing it. I had a Discovery 5 for five years and that was dead reliable - not a single issue. I’ve had my 2021 Defender P300 for three years now and the only thing that broke was the computer for the fuel pump, and that broke at 1500 miles. I’m now at 32k and it’s been pretty much flawless. I have a lot of friends with these and if you take care of them, they usually will take care of you.

    • @Reko_89
      @Reko_89 Před 4 měsíci

      Agreed!!

    • @ggolds5
      @ggolds5 Před 3 měsíci

      SO, I keep going back and forth. I had 3 LR's 2014 and before all terrible. However, my brother's Discovery Sport 2022 has been very good. I really want a Defender , but worried about reliability. So would you get a Defender again, and not be concerned?.

  • @doggedlydetermined7022
    @doggedlydetermined7022 Před 3 měsíci +6

    Had a Sport Supercharged that I recently sold with 80k miles. Zero issues.

  • @Gandrewjm
    @Gandrewjm Před 4 měsíci +6

    My dad and uncle have had various RR vehicles, over the past 20+ years, without any major issues. They rarely go off road and never miss a servicing date. Whereas a friend had serious engine problems with a RR he purchased back in 2012, although he admits to pushing it maybe too hard in the first 1k miles of ownership.
    I really like the latest generation of the RRS but the 10 month waiting period (now up to 18 months I'm told) was a deal breaker for me. I'll hold on to my aging GLE for a while longer and see if RRS availability improves.

  • @AllIsWell_22
    @AllIsWell_22 Před 4 měsíci +13

    We took delivery of a 2023 Range Rover Sport brand new. Knock on wood - No issues to date. Quality is exceptional. Generally - same consensus with other members of the community. 2023 was the last model year with physical controls/knobs so we were stoked to get hold off one. I think the Ford ownership phase was devastating for JLR. The new MLA Flex platforms with the new generation of Range Rovers are ground up Tata investments and are faring better.

    • @67daltonknox
      @67daltonknox Před 3 měsíci +2

      In 20 year's time, let us know how it's going.

    • @JohnDoe-xr5is
      @JohnDoe-xr5is Před 3 měsíci +2

      It's less than a year old!

    • @KretaBull
      @KretaBull Před 3 měsíci +1

      TATA 😂😅😂

    • @omnimoeish
      @omnimoeish Před 3 měsíci

      TFL says the LR with Ford engines are the only ones to get.

  • @JamaicanMeCrazy
    @JamaicanMeCrazy Před 3 měsíci +5

    I like that you respond to many comments but you know they definitely are less vehicles still.... Planned obsolescence. I've always thought of range as a tragedy. Such beautiful cars that i wouldn't touch used

  • @VWkid4life
    @VWkid4life Před 4 měsíci +12

    Daily driving a full size Range for the past 16 years. I'm good. Love it. Not going to listen to anyones opinion but my own.

    • @AliSidTex
      @AliSidTex Před 3 měsíci +3

      The key is your driving a 16+ year old Range Rover. Of course your going to have a different experience from the current generation of lemons.

    • @VWkid4life
      @VWkid4life Před 3 měsíci +1

      I have a new Defender for 3 years now. Love it. Also had a D5 before the Defender. Also great truck.@@AliSidTex

    • @Dessertfox83
      @Dessertfox83 Před měsícem +1

      I’ve put 144k miles on my Range Rover Sport Supercharged and love it. I’ve made it to sales appointments through Texas flooding, slightly off roads through muddy medians, and through Colorado snow storms. I’ve always arrived on time with little body load.
      Sure it has its issues, but still well worth it. Previously owned 2 4Runners and just wish they had more power and better driving dynamics.
      To me, the RR Sport has the solid drive and off road feel of a 4x4 4Runner limited, but significantly more power (0-60 in less than 5 seconds), better suspension, and luxury ride.

    • @AliSidTex
      @AliSidTex Před měsícem

      @@VWkid4life what year is that Defender from and how many times have you had to get repairs done?

    • @VWkid4life
      @VWkid4life Před měsícem

      @@AliSidTex Picked it up April 2022. Zero repairs.

  • @realitykicksin8755
    @realitykicksin8755 Před 4 měsíci +8

    When Range Rover still offers "0% FINANCE ON ALL MAINTENANCE" ... we know the answer

    • @ggolds5
      @ggolds5 Před 3 měsíci +2

      Very true. Toyota, Ford, Jeep, I had zero maintenance costs, all free for 3 years, never paid a penny. If LR did that I wouldn't think twice.

  • @joshuapinter
    @joshuapinter Před 4 měsíci +8

    Have had a Range Rover Sport Supercharged for 6 years now. Nothing catastrophic but lots of little things. Certainly reliable enough. As with any high-end vehicle, the repair/maintenance cost is 3 - 4 times a non-luxury vehicle.
    Two main things that contribute to this bad rap of reliability:
    1. It has a lot of leading edge tech for its day so lots more (especially electronics) to go wrong.
    2. It has a lot of sensors for everything and so if something is even slightly wrong, it'll let you know, unlike many simpler cars that won't let you know and you're blissfully unaware.
    I would always recommend owning a second car (ideally a simpler one) if you own a Range Rover, for when things inevitably go awry.
    All that being said, I would never recommend them to anybody but I absolutely love mine and will continue to buy them and maintain them.

    • @Reko_89
      @Reko_89 Před 4 měsíci +2

      Excellent synopsis!! They are fantastic and I would also recommend a second vehicle. High end vehicles simply have occasional issues

    • @Davek111
      @Davek111 Před 3 měsíci +1

      @@Reko_89 I call BS. I have owned 6 BMW X5's and X6's over the past 18 years. I have never had any issues. Never! My current X5 is 11 years old and I've only ever changed the oil and replaced the brakes.

  • @LeslieRC
    @LeslieRC Před 4 měsíci +5

    Thus far no reliability issues with my RR Sport or LR Defender. Admittedly, I don’t put much mileage on my vehicles these days…I average less than 4K/year on the RR Sport (my wife drives the Defender and she averages slightly more). I actually purchased my RR Sport off the lease last year because it had been so reliable…I did also purchase an extended warranty…and plan doing the same when the Defender goes off lease next year for the same reason.

  • @Vamanos46
    @Vamanos46 Před 4 měsíci +3

    Thank you Motoman. Very insightful 3:34 It's a BRUTALLY HONEST detailed re-evaluation based on what your priorities /NEEDS are, (and other alternatives).

  • @carynmcentee6725
    @carynmcentee6725 Před 4 měsíci +8

    I love these vehicles, I really do but they are a vehicle to lease and turn in at the end of your lease, not buy. I can't see reliability improving any time soon.

    • @MotoManTV
      @MotoManTV  Před 4 měsíci +3

      By the numbers we discussed in the episode, that is EXACTLY what the market is telling Land Rover/Range Rover.

  • @TheZakk28
    @TheZakk28 Před 4 měsíci +32

    Here’s an owners perspective:
    I have owned 4 over the last 15 years. The worst was my 2001 P38 with 4.6. That car was a pig and seriously unreliable, though it never left me stranded. The last three I owned were all 5.0 Supercharged and full size RR’s. I have put on average 80k miles on each… and I’ve never had any major failures. I always opt to extend my warranty just in case but nothing major has ever been an issue. The last model (2019 LWB) had a bad motor mount and control arm bushings at 50k miles. Would have been $4k repair but warranty covered it. Otherwise I’ve been very happy with each I owned and really enjoyed piloting them. I would get another but pricing is high so I will wait to find a nice CPO in a couple of years. In other news, my Taycan 4S has been extremely unreliable and spends way too much time at the dealer for service. Again, never had to have it towed… but way too many small annoying things. Luxury cars can be a bit finicky 😅

    • @67daltonknox
      @67daltonknox Před 3 měsíci +5

      My Lexus is 14 years old - no major problems. My Toyota pickup is 23 years old no major problems. Neither has been towed nor anything close. That's what reliability means, not what happens during 4 years.

    • @TheZakk28
      @TheZakk28 Před 3 měsíci +1

      @@67daltonknox I’ve got a 97 Toyota with 350k miles. Love it to pieces but I don’t expect the same reliability from new/ luxury cars… they just aren’t designed to last. I find that 90% of the people I’ve met and complain about Land Rover reliability have never actually owned one.

    • @Davek111
      @Davek111 Před 3 měsíci +1

      I'm in my 4th X5..... and current one is 11 years old. Zero time in the shop, outside of oil changes and brakes. Zero!

    • @Davek111
      @Davek111 Před 3 měsíci +1

      @@67daltonknox Exactly! This video and the fools talking about their LR's being somewhat reliable is truly laughable!

    • @cavalierace
      @cavalierace Před 3 měsíci

      Whats wrong with the Taycan??

  • @fiki2304
    @fiki2304 Před 3 měsíci +4

    Velar P250 2019 here. No issues at all. Beutiful car to drive and to look at...

  • @johnbryson2479
    @johnbryson2479 Před 3 měsíci +3

    Had a new Discovery , top trim , 2021 I think. Waited six months for delivery. Lovely car. CEL came on at 250 miles. Walked in at 9 Mos. of use, all sorts of electrical problems. They took it back, canceled the lease. Never again. So sad, nicely designed product. Dealer support is terrible in my US locale.

  • @alessandronavarro8729
    @alessandronavarro8729 Před 4 měsíci +5

    My neighbor has had a velar since they came out and they have had no problems what so ever. They have the 4 cylinder model

  • @tictocbang7443
    @tictocbang7443 Před 3 měsíci +4

    After 6 LRs and 3 Jaguars, my experience is the reliability varies. Every one had an issue with parts fitment, and all developed significant buzzes and rattles. Every one felt sloppier as the mileage rose. Washy suspension, etc. Our Discovery spent 8 of its first 12 months in the shop. It was a lemon, along with 4 other LRs in the dealership at the same time.

    • @johngunning2123
      @johngunning2123 Před 3 měsíci

      0 seconds ago
      Range Rovers and Discovery's are shit boxes. Rational minds will look elsewhere. Landrover/Ranger Rover (and Jaguars) reputations for poor reliability are well-known and well-deserved.

  • @user-dc9dt1dm2g
    @user-dc9dt1dm2g Před 3 měsíci +3

    My wife is on her 2nd Evoque. Current 2020 is the P300 top of the line and she loves it. Has 25K on it and never been in the shop. All city driving. Previous model was a 2017 and again had no issues. Guess we have been lucky!!

    • @cjking4511
      @cjking4511 Před 2 měsíci +1

      Since you are trading in cars every 3 years you are always under warranty so you never had the cars post 5 years when major issues arise out of warranty. You did not even hit the 70K miles mark

  • @noiwtna
    @noiwtna Před 4 měsíci +8

    My 2012 LR4 hasn't, knock on wood, hasn't had a real air suspension issue.

    • @jamesrebbechi5247
      @jamesrebbechi5247 Před 3 měsíci +1

      My 2010 2.7 litre diesel LR4 is on its 3rd compressor but those things do a ton of work each year. Verdict: thats fine.

  • @bernard1206
    @bernard1206 Před 4 měsíci

    Great review Motoman one of your best like the new format!

  • @NileshR12
    @NileshR12 Před 3 měsíci +2

    My family has had a 2008 LR3 HSE since we got it brand new & it's got a little over 125k miles on it at this point. That car has taken me through middle school, high school, & college. It's got the naturally aspirated 4.4L V8 which I think is from Ford so that might've helped its reliability engine-wise. It's had other electrical issues but it's been free of major problems

  • @bli026
    @bli026 Před 4 měsíci +3

    As an owner of the new Defender, I had a warning for the air suspension locked once that I couldn't adjust the ride height. Once I restarted the car next morning, the problem was disappeared. Also occasionally the speakers become a bit muffled.
    They tend to fix themselves with a restart 😂

    • @Davek111
      @Davek111 Před 3 měsíci

      🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Why TF would someone buy a POS that they could hope for a fix on a restart. LR's are total pieces of crap!

  • @richardh3587
    @richardh3587 Před 4 měsíci +2

    One thing to remember is that air sorings don’t last forever in any application but they do last much longer than conventional springs. If you do actually own a vehicle with air ride past 120k and need to replace it, it’s something you can have an independent mechanic do for much less than the crazy price a dealer will ask. Still expensive but not eye watering

  • @IceDree
    @IceDree Před 4 měsíci +2

    The most important question is, were you part of the formation, M? Also, all those cute puppies & no Kumo? bruh.
    As for the Velar, it hasn't aged one bit. I like the design of the Velar, but its one of those strictly "look, but don't touch" affairs.
    Excellent work like always, M.

  • @lbco5229
    @lbco5229 Před 3 měsíci +1

    I’ve had a 2007 LR3, a 2012 LR4 and now a 2021 Defender: YES, they are reliable. I’ve NEVER had a ‘reliability’ problem with any of them.

  • @rmorgan2042
    @rmorgan2042 Před 3 měsíci +6

    I have a 2019 240 D Velar HSE. Trouble free and totally reliable in 50K Miles. 54 new cars since 1963 and this is the best

  • @TicketyBoo.
    @TicketyBoo. Před 4 měsíci +11

    Range Rovers are so bad that I just collected my nearly new 4.4 SDV8 Autobiography this morning. My fourth Range Rover and Sixth JLR vehicle in recent years. The worst fault in that time was a seized front drive shaft on a P38 back in 2001. The two most unreliable cars I've owned to date were an Audi A6 and a Merc E320.

    • @johngunning2123
      @johngunning2123 Před 3 měsíci

      If you still need to impress your in-laws, upgrade to the Lexus GX 460. Far more reliable and people tend not to snigger when they see that you didn't buy a Range Rover.

  • @douglastaylor8039
    @douglastaylor8039 Před 3 měsíci +2

    If range rovers were unreliable why weren't the manufacturer responsible for the repairs???

  • @lecturer28
    @lecturer28 Před 4 měsíci +6

    With you on this - friends generally not experiencing issues.

    • @MotoManTV
      @MotoManTV  Před 4 měsíci +2

      Good to hear . . . surprised to hear all the vitriol here in the comments. I almost wish I could have come up with an example of the legendary unreliability but the facts didn't bear that out. The only example I could scare up was the friend I mentioned in this episode (czcams.com/video/LDk5FHGpDVI/video.html). A last gen RR Sport SVR. Bullet proof until just recently with around 80K and it experienced a problem with the power steering. The entire rack and assist system had to be replaced. Was not covered by the warranty. Everyone else - MULTIPLE new Defenders, Range Rovers (full size) as well as some other Sports.

    • @lecturer28
      @lecturer28 Před 4 měsíci

      Thanks for the reply and BTW your Porsche is superb.

    • @MotoManTV
      @MotoManTV  Před 4 měsíci

      Thank you!

  • @cib2413
    @cib2413 Před 4 měsíci +2

    I have a Velar with apparently the most unreliable engine, the 2.0L diesel ingenium unit. I’ve done nearly 50k miles in it so far without one hitch. Never had to visit the dealer for anything. The only caveat is that outside of the US JLR suggest 21,000 mile oil change intervals and it’s the owners that try to stretch them that far whom seem to start having issues with their cars as they approach 60-80k miles. I have personally changed the oil and serviced the car annually, or every 10,000 miles and so far so good.

  • @costaricasurf66
    @costaricasurf66 Před 4 měsíci +3

    Not sure what country you live in. But when I had one of the corner air suspension replaced in my Range Rover sport, it was only $1200 that being said they now make it remain that someone told me that the parts are the third of the cost.

    • @blackvulcan100
      @blackvulcan100 Před 3 měsíci

      As I understand it replacing the air bags is no big deal and is around the £500.00 ( or less ) per corner. I have a discovery 4.

  • @hey_jonesy37
    @hey_jonesy37 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Best I could tell you, is you have a 1/2 shot of getting a good one or a bad one, your choice of outlook… I quit buying JLRs because all the new ones are hard to get in and out of, and I’ll be looking at a g or a ineos next. I’ve had 5 wonderful experiences with the Ford parted JLRs.

  • @nigelgregson7084
    @nigelgregson7084 Před 4 měsíci +9

    My last 4 cars have been: 2011 Jaguar XJ Supercharged (2010-2014), 2014 BMW 650ix Gran Coupe (2014-2017), 2017 Range Rover HSE TD6 (2017-2022), 2018 Porsche Panamera 4S (2022- present). The Jag and Range Rover were just as reliable as the BMW and Porsche…not totally flawless but generally good with just usually a few software niggles and minor hardware issues. A friend who has had a new Defender for 2 years reports no reliability issues. So I would concur that (for newish cars at least) Land Rover reliability is no different than BMW, Mercedes etc

    • @Reko_89
      @Reko_89 Před 4 měsíci

      Agreed!

    • @steveguillory7568
      @steveguillory7568 Před 4 měsíci

      Sounds like you had these vehicles for only a few years. I would expect everything to be reasonably reliable during that time frame. The question is how would these JLR vehicles hold up after 10+ years. It’s the old “can I buy this or is it only a lease type vehicle “.

  • @felipe7112
    @felipe7112 Před 4 měsíci

    great episode as always.

  • @qntmsea4631
    @qntmsea4631 Před 3 měsíci +1

    2013 Evoque here, at 95k miles now. New turbo (under warranty), starter (under warranty), puck gear selector backup battery failure (under warranty, and yes, there is such a thing in puck-equipped jaguars and rovers), engine variable timing unit (out of warranty, $3k), all cooling hoses ($1.2k, proactive replacement). Drivetrain bearings are getting noisy... but might last for a while. Minor electrical issues in the interior (touch switches misbehaving) but no major electrical issues. But all of this being said -- the car drives fantastic after all this time, and the 95k miles it has are very hard up/down the mountains miles. Almost no freeway. As someone else said, the new Rovers are obscenely priced, and there's no plug-in hybrid yet, which would be attractive...

    • @Davek111
      @Davek111 Před 3 měsíci +2

      Sounds like a total POS!! I have a 2013 X5 that has never had any problems. Not one! This is my 6 BMW X5/X6..... and not one of them had to go to the shop for anything other than oil changes or brake pads.

    • @qntmsea4631
      @qntmsea4631 Před 3 měsíci

      @@Davek111 Not really. It's mixed, and I truly mean it. We would have sold it long time ago if we hated it. It is really great for where we are (California mountains) and everyone in the family loves to drive it given other choices of Volvo and BMW. And we've taken it offroad quite a number of times and it is way more capable than it's ought to be. The engine timing bit might have been a casualty of a certain sand dune excursion... are you in the mountains or on flatlands?

  • @kylek2794
    @kylek2794 Před 19 dny

    Yes - speaking as an owner of a '16 RR Td6 and '21 RR P400. Land Rover - turning everyday drivers into mechanics

  • @paigetrawick8162
    @paigetrawick8162 Před měsícem

    Omgsh. I honestly despise CZcamsrs and want-to-be influencers so much (only the ones who aren't experts, affecting the standard that once existed for knowledge and accuracy)-- I freaking love you. You had me at "because the algorithm is a b*tch" -- Yes!!! 🤣 The honesty, the nerd vibes, the helpfulness factor of your content, answering something on all of our minds (but not commonly answered)..... This is what CZcams needs more of!

  • @tayne5009
    @tayne5009 Před 4 měsíci +194

    I’ll save you 16minutes, the answer is yes.

    • @MotoManTV
      @MotoManTV  Před 4 měsíci +33

      Funny . . . that was not what the facts bore out.

    • @tayne5009
      @tayne5009 Před 4 měsíci +16

      @@MotoManTV I thought this was just a press car you’d for a week or two. Did you buy this with your own money, how long have you owned it?

    • @amirjon
      @amirjon Před 4 měsíci +31

      Facts are fun. But trying owing one. It's an utter nightmare. I have 3 Range Rovers ('09, '16, '19) in my garage so I can attest. Luckily we have an at-home service mechanic that is literally at our home twice a month working on these things. I cannot wait to sell them and get into a Toyota and never look back. Cool cars if you're leasing under warranty every 4 yearzish. @@MotoManTV

    • @ap2s2000
      @ap2s2000 Před 4 měsíci +8

      @@MotoManTVfrom this comment alone i lost all interest in your channel

    • @JDubbs07
      @JDubbs07 Před 4 měsíci +12

      ​@@ap2s2000 were you ever really interested? That comment was the mildest of refutes.

  • @ggolds5
    @ggolds5 Před 3 měsíci

    I love your reviews. I get a kick out of your animated and often sarcastically witty style. I watched the Video of you at the Chicago auto show with TFL host and it felt like you brought your watching audience with you rather than simply along for the ride. Well done. Also, Riley is gorgeous. You've gotta love dog/cat lovers. That said, I LOVE Land Rovers and especially the Defender. I've had 3 Land Rovers in the past, the last one was a 2014 Evoque. I actually requested the dealership sign a waver contract that I drew up myself stating in a nutshell, if I decide that this thing is a piece of crap within the 1st 3 months that I can return it no questions asked and receive a full refund. They wouldn't do it. I should have walked. I didn't. The Evoque was abysmal in reliability. The last draw was pulling up to my Dermatology appointment that took 4 months to book, and the piece of junk wouldn't shut off. I mean actually would not turn off when I pushed the ignition button. I wasn't in a good area of Hartford (CT), so I couldn't just let it run. I found myself driving in rush hour on a Friday afternoon to the dealership within 10 minutes of closing. They took it in but had no loner car for me. I insisted they give me a salesman's vehicle to drive and let him take the bus. That him was the salesman I had that insisted I would have a wonderful experience with my new vehicle and that the reliability issues of LR were all in the past. NOT. By the way, of your friends, TFL folk, remember, they went through 3 Defenders before they had one that lasted more than 200 miles. Kind of. SO, here I am again, obsessed with the Defender. OYY. I should just stop this nonsense and go buy a 4Runner Limited. I must be out of my mind. :)

  • @ralphevoque5209
    @ralphevoque5209 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Nope, i own 3, own not lease or rent. And they have been amazing, 2012 evoque, 2020 velar, and a 2017 sport autobiography. Only minor problems. Range rover are hugely underrated, everyone who rode or drove one of them was amazed. They are amazing cars. For the same price range rover are miles better. People think my 2012 evoque is a 2019 model year. Self park, 360 camera, 19 speakers, and many more. Again, amazing cars

  • @jasondong9721
    @jasondong9721 Před 3 měsíci +1

    How unreliable!? I can’t even get insurance for one!

  • @Slickpete83
    @Slickpete83 Před 4 měsíci +3

    💡 *YES, these cars are for rich people who lease, so they are not built to last long term*

  • @Molloy1951
    @Molloy1951 Před 4 měsíci +4

    I’m afraid your comparisons don’t make sense. The Velar doesn’t compete with the X7 or the GLS but with the X3 and the GLC, or in a stretch, with the X5 and the GLE.

    • @alzinifelshoni2602
      @alzinifelshoni2602 Před 4 měsíci +4

      He is saying for the same price of the Velar you can get an X7 or GLS

  • @styner3
    @styner3 Před 3 měsíci +2

    I’ve leased two Range Rovers and enjoyed both but would never buy one.

  • @aidanwilson6035
    @aidanwilson6035 Před 4 měsíci +3

    JLR vehicles have got more reliable in recent years , although there was only one way to go from last on the list , they are no longer the worst for dependability & are now much the same as German & some Stellantis group rivals , unfortunately it will take a long time to change the publics perception due to exaggerated & consistent criticism often to generate extra views on social media , it ends up being blown out of proportion , the myth that all Toyotas are reliable & JLR vehicles are junk is just not true , for the record , these reliability surveys often count a glitchy infotainment screen the same as being stranded with an engine breakdown which is misleading.

  • @OldSkoolUncleChris
    @OldSkoolUncleChris Před 4 měsíci +4

    Motoman here in London these cars are uninsurable because of massive theft have you heard about this ?

    • @MotoManTV
      @MotoManTV  Před 4 měsíci +5

      Had no idea but from what I am seeing in the comments, MANY folks have run into this problem. We have a similar problem with some Kias here in the US. The lower end models have proven to be very easy to steal. Kia looks to be proactive on it by working with the car insurers here for a solution to keep rates on what is intended to be a relatively affordable car palatable. Teslas have a similar problem for a different reason: If they get hit, most of them are written off because body parts and/or the cost aluminum work far exceed the value of the car. This has driven the cost of cover on all Teslas up - to the point that Tesla had to step in with a solution.

    • @OldSkoolUncleChris
      @OldSkoolUncleChris Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@MotoManTV They are so easy to steal currently its £14,000 ( $17,500) a year to insure one in London!

    • @leok7193
      @leok7193 Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@MotoManTV Autotrader made a video about Range Rover Sport SV that even JLR's own insurance (that that created to insure the uninsurable RRs) would not insure. That's like triple irony.
      That said, they're addressing theft issue: czcams.com/video/FZwhu7tq_0Q/video.htmlsi=VVTt0fNMTJgyvjkt at 11:16 mark

  • @3204clivesinclair
    @3204clivesinclair Před 4 měsíci +2

    The customer surveys confirm JLR are just as unreliable as always.

  • @davidharrison6083
    @davidharrison6083 Před 3 měsíci +1

    I’ve had two Range Rovers over the last ten years and never had a problem with either of them. Will definitely go for a third and would never drive anything else.

  • @trevorsutherland5263
    @trevorsutherland5263 Před 4 měsíci +3

    I'd buy any JLR product with the AJ-Series V8 (or V6) engine as that thing has stood the test of time, and its only poor maintenance or failed water pumps (that people keep driving), that break that engine. The transmissions are all ZF, bulletproof going back to the 1990s. The new BMW V8s or the 4-Cyl Ingenium or the new I-6, no I will not buy one of those. The BMW is a known failure point at 60,000 miles or more, and the others have not been around long enough to know for sure how they'll hold up.

  • @MrAnderson321
    @MrAnderson321 Před 3 měsíci +1

    18 mpg and 20mpg?...I thought the P400e did 72mpg - 40 on the battery and 32mpg on the engine?

  • @2bunphettered788
    @2bunphettered788 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Great looking SUV. 👌

  • @JuanLopez-oz9kh
    @JuanLopez-oz9kh Před 4 měsíci +9

    Motoman, just review the consumer reports annual report and you have your answers. no video needed, when you consistently are last on the rank, its speak louder than a video. thanks

    • @ggolds5
      @ggolds5 Před 3 měsíci +2

      Pretty accurate. The video driving review on the Consumer Reports on line is very good. However, they still say brand reliability is the lowest. Every one rates worse than average with the "would you buy it again" score as low. I love the Defender but still can't seem to convince myself that it's reliable. My previous 3 LR's were awful. Oddly Chrysler in the current Consumer Reports auto issue rated lowest below Land Rover. That's a first. Jeep, LR, Jaguar, Alpha Romeo, at the bottom. I've had 7 Jeep Wranglers , the last 3 were excellent so not sure what to say about that.

  • @culldera1
    @culldera1 Před 4 měsíci +1

    I’m in love with this vehicle’s looks. I wish it had the guts from a Toyota/ Lexus. Beautiful nightmare this is.

  •  Před 4 měsíci +1

    our n2019 LR Range Rover Sport has been totally reliable

  • @reallynotpc
    @reallynotpc Před 3 měsíci

    Unreliable? Not based on my P38, which I owned for eighteen years, and my current L405, which I have only had for five years. My previous five Classics are too far back for me to remember, but I seem to keep buying the things, so what does that say?

  • @TBpepe
    @TBpepe Před 3 měsíci

    I wanted to know this. You made an video on it😅

  • @mwpipp85
    @mwpipp85 Před 3 měsíci

    Is there any concrete reliability information about the Defenders? And not the TFL people, that is one instance.

  • @mooch0027
    @mooch0027 Před 5 dny

    Came hear to learn about Land Rover’s reliability. Ended up watching this random review of the Velar and learned very little about Land Rover reliability. Other than that airbags are expensive. Worthless.

  • @MegaRetr
    @MegaRetr Před 4 měsíci

    Are Range Rovers still really unreliable? Tough question!

  • @JohnDoe-xr5is
    @JohnDoe-xr5is Před 3 měsíci

    So many commenters saying things like "My less than 3 year old...is great". Still on warranty!! Reliability shows itself when the car is 10 years old with 150k+ miles. Wouldn't touch a RR with a 10 foot pole.

  • @candlercando
    @candlercando Před 4 měsíci

    Mercedes Benzes especially 6cly and above, past warranty are not expensive provided you have been getting standard services every year or have an indie do the service with MB doing an inspection. Nothing will suddenly break

  • @umaruchan8828
    @umaruchan8828 Před 3 měsíci +1

    People in the comment section still banters about there 2001 old range Rover having faults grow up dude 😂😂 back then they were bad but not now

  • @samp.1579
    @samp.1579 Před 4 měsíci +7

    I think it’s reliable,at least in my experience. 19’ RR 5.0, have 87k miles, big issue I’ve had was coolant leaks, and that happened 4 times since I bought it used in 20, but Vegas is super hot and dry so it doesn’t surprise me, we had the same issue with our BMW.

  • @beatonthedonis
    @beatonthedonis Před 3 měsíci

    I'm sure they still have plenty of gadgets that go wrong, but so do the German luxury brands. Question is whether they will leave you at the side of the road, like they used to regularly.

  • @Oaky
    @Oaky Před 4 měsíci +2

    Uhhh, it's really held up for generations. They need generations of changes to prove otherwise.

    • @Oaky
      @Oaky Před 4 měsíci +1

      *slow pan to TFL's Defender issues*

  • @Icanchange1200
    @Icanchange1200 Před 3 měsíci

    It’s ironic most folks who have had Range Rovers don’t mind this topic… They love them . Guys with not so deep pockets and buy them pre owned not so much…

  • @markcoopers1930
    @markcoopers1930 Před 3 měsíci

    Hi Riley!

  • @CtRAIN77
    @CtRAIN77 Před 3 měsíci

    ...Yes

  • @sergiogarcia9822
    @sergiogarcia9822 Před měsícem

    I have had a macan turbo, an X6 M and an X5, if I was about to buy a Range Rover I would just get a cayenne, Porsche is the best of the lot.

  • @souly25life
    @souly25life Před 4 měsíci

    All these cars are having problems now. Jeep, Kia. Audi, bmw, Mercedes you name it. The Land Rover models are crossing over in price thou. You can get a velar or discovery for the same price as a defender 130.

  • @Jorge_Magallon
    @Jorge_Magallon Před 4 měsíci

    JLR is still near the bottom of the usual reliability lists. I think the point here is that, like the industry as a whole, JLRs have become much more reliable.
    0:10 Still, if the discussion was about “fast” and JLR was now much faster than before, but still slower than everyone else, we could still call them “slow”.

  • @cameraman915
    @cameraman915 Před 4 měsíci +1

    I’m very interested in the information your audience will provide about reliability. I’d like to see this question posed for other luxury vehicles. I’ve always wanted a Mercedes but I can’t afford a new or three year old car.

  • @loseerich493
    @loseerich493 Před 4 měsíci +3

    Have to imagine that laptop screen stuck to the dash at that angle would produce hella glare at times? Also, Range Rover's reliability bar started at a subterranean level so even if it really is improved, it still can't suck enough. Luckily for us, we have a plethora of other options in this space.

  • @tt6368
    @tt6368 Před 3 měsíci +1

    the internet blows every issue out of proportion. (unless if its a Toyota, which i've heard horrible story but noone seems to care)

    • @ssing7113
      @ssing7113 Před měsícem

      You mean anything other than a Toyota Land Cruiser. Continue … 😂

  • @foxlake6750
    @foxlake6750 Před 3 měsíci

    It’s not a car to own, it’s a car to be leased and then…….walk away.😂

  • @maureencora1
    @maureencora1 Před 2 měsíci

    2024 I Want a Defender 110 V8.

  • @bb-iq6qw
    @bb-iq6qw Před 3 měsíci +1

    Not reliable but neither is a Super Model. 😢 When its working; the Range Rover looks the best, has the best features and drives the best. Expensive to own. It’s like buying a Rolls Royce at less than half the price but the same operating AND THE SAME PRESTIGE.

  • @tbonesteak4961
    @tbonesteak4961 Před 3 měsíci

    YES 🚙 💨!

  • @HiKielLiHi
    @HiKielLiHi Před 3 měsíci

    wat are the most unreliable SUV's right now besides range rover?

  • @jeffs6090
    @jeffs6090 Před 4 měsíci +4

    Everybody's gripe about reliability or any other issues stem from the 70s and 80s. Pick nearly any brand nowadays and there's a mob of people who would complain senselessly about something. Decades old biases are hard to break for people no matter how good something currently is. It's actually rather sad.

    • @Davek111
      @Davek111 Před 3 měsíci

      Bull crap!!! Any idiot can google and read exactly how horrific the current models are. Or just go to a dang dealership and speak with a mechanic. None of those guys are buying LRs. None!

  • @TYAC_TPE_SF-Bay
    @TYAC_TPE_SF-Bay Před 2 měsíci

    I doubt its mild hybrid is an ISG.

  • @aeromotive2
    @aeromotive2 Před 4 měsíci

    you should always face the camera

  • @christianvik3400
    @christianvik3400 Před 3 měsíci

    The RR Velar is not practical, the door opening in the front are smaller than normal and much too smal.

  • @timothyburnside3229
    @timothyburnside3229 Před 4 měsíci

    This is why you lease Land Rovers and give them back before warranty expires! Their vehicle care is garbage. My local dealer does not even wash and vacuum your Rover after service!!

  • @TheDude3007-dd7fg
    @TheDude3007-dd7fg Před 4 měsíci +3

    Maybe they are more reliable .. but they are also waaaay more easy to steal ! Most stolen luxury car in London & a nightmare to insure .

    • @wrzl1675
      @wrzl1675 Před 4 měsíci

      Not more reliable…. Reliability is the same and my neighbor can prove it with his 2 year old Evoque

    • @TheDude3007-dd7fg
      @TheDude3007-dd7fg Před 4 měsíci +1

      in comparison to previous generations of RR i think they are better built & as a package are slightly more reliable , still isn't great but here in the UK ( London ) reliability isn't so much of an issue when companies are refusing to insure the vehicles or are charging insane premiums .. how does £50 k insurance premium for a motor valued at £38 k sound .. craaaazy !! 😂✌🏻

  • @Cptkelvin
    @Cptkelvin Před 3 měsíci

    I don't think supercharged 5.0 engines are problematic,from my own experience.

  • @tombaily29
    @tombaily29 Před 3 měsíci

    Welcome to a paid promotional video sponsored by Range Rover.

  • @thatfeeble-mindedboy
    @thatfeeble-mindedboy Před 3 měsíci

    For people who are all about what name is on the badge, and the judgment of equally ignorant and superficial people they admire. Style ALWAYS before Substance… Perception ALWAYS over reality. In their universe, price is not something to be celebrated as a personal victory, but rather something to be loaded over others as evidence of some kind of superiority.

  • @gullrock14
    @gullrock14 Před 4 měsíci

    Victoria Beckham helped design the first Velar. It was intended to be a luxury “SUV” for celebrity women.

    • @MotoManTV
      @MotoManTV  Před 4 měsíci +4

      That was the Evoque. I was at the reveal. czcams.com/video/hTkAdrW8Et8/video.html

  • @banepigeon
    @banepigeon Před 3 měsíci

    The answer is till yes… to no ones surprise.

  • @flashnmb1
    @flashnmb1 Před 3 měsíci

    Resale value will say it all! Good if you like to throw away money. Remember you paid for the name, hope that gets you down the road when it bricks itself.

  • @paulandbeauoutdoors2685
    @paulandbeauoutdoors2685 Před 3 měsíci

    I have a Discovery 3.0 diesel. Biggest thing is the rear differential went out at 75,000 miles, but luckily I had a CPO warranty and it covered everything.
    They are no different than in the other luxury car and air suspension. Isn’t that crazy to fix if you find the right dealer

  • @deepakdevellore
    @deepakdevellore Před 2 měsíci

    suggestion : at least use iphone to film , video quality looks it was shoot in handicam

  • @stringer-ik1pc
    @stringer-ik1pc Před 3 měsíci

    Never have been.only when they go to America, where their mechanics have neither the know how or sophistication to look after them.

  • @johnlindsay3820
    @johnlindsay3820 Před 3 měsíci

    2 evoques - no issues.