I liked your layman's terms about vortex ring! You called it; the best way to get out of vortex ring state is forward cyclic and lower the collective, altitude permitting of course. One of the instructors told me a few days ago, "Hell, you could pitch any direction with the cyclic until you get ETL back if you really wanted." I laughed and agreed. Also, for those curious, in reality, it takes three things to get into vortex ring state 1. a below ETL (effective translational lift) airspeed, 2. pulling 20% or more power and 3. a greater than 300fpm decent rate. Just remember, you can have any two of these three conditions but get all three and then bam you're in VRS. I don't know exactly how that all works out in DCS, however, it seems fairly realistic and I just started messin around with it so I have a lot to learn. I'm sure I'll be using a lot of these videos LOL. Nice job Froogle and Thanks!
Thank you. Yes I shall continue to make tutorial vids on the shark, and have been thinking of the A-10 as well. I know that aircraft inside out, but it's so popular within the DCS environment (naturally so) that I intentionally chose not to cover it. Still thinking though. And yes, there is a whole video series coming on this channel called "Cold and Dark" - the Shark is included in that series.
An absolute TON. I am literally going to melt your mind with the next vid. Been spending 5 to 8 hours with that aircraft every single day for the past few weeks working on it.
Brilliant vid thank you so much for posting this. I am waiting on a new gaming setup and the DCS series is the first thing I'll be investing in. The Black Shark is one that I wanted to get first but wasn't sure if I should go in at the deep end. This video gives me more confidence to dive in and give it a go, it's invaluable.
Well, I certainly got into a *very* interesting situation with the KA-50. I was practicing low flying and sideways flying when I got a little to low, I actually ended up bumping into the ground. "Better do something else" I thought, as i continued doing some turns. But the aircraft was handling very weirdly, tried trimming it, nothing. Until I finally went to 3rd person and found that I'd lost the entire back half of chopper and was flying around a disembodied cockpit! I then promptly crashed.
Nice, keep these coming please, I brought this and barely use it which is a shame, the interest is definitely there... a few of these and I'll give it a proper go. All the best.
Excellent Video. I love it. This is enough to make me dust off my HOTAS and park BF4 for a while. I've been looking for a good excuse to do something more challenging. I have owned DCS BlackShark for years but never mastered it. It's Time ! Thanks for the great video.
This video is really helpful for me, i didn't even know how to correctly turn helo, now i know thanks froogle :) Also this rapid descent is really helpful.
I couldn't find a playlist for this, should help a lot in finding your videos, they're awesome! You mentioned you have a weapons tutorial but I haven't been able to find it.
Great tuts! I just jumped in Shark from the beloved fixed wings (A-10 earlier and now BMS Falcon) and I must say Shark is quite challenging :) Landing is great idea as You said so I will watch with pleasure. I must admit after hours of flying on the planes I have much trubles with coordinating this heli so if you will come up with some more basics ( Do's and Don'ts) I'll be thankful. Anyway once again thanks for the good work.
Well done! I got the KA-50 last night and had some serious problems with it... I'm used to simulators (blackhawks) and there is some things that just feel completely weird. Thanks for the help!
This is a fantastic video, I hope you continue to do tutorials for the Black shark, we have a ton of amazing folks doing A-10C stuff but we don't really have any doing really solid and easy to understand Black shark stuff. I wonder if it would be possible for you to do something as simple as a startup tutorial for the black shark, again, we have a few of those out there but none with your easy to understand style. Keep up the amazing work!
Great Stuff my friend, and timeless methinks..Only recently got into DCS World and indeed FSX....I'm competent in the A-10c, but wish to master the Ka-50 as I believe the servers need less Hogs and more Helo's..May seem a time since you did all this, but it's all new to me, and still as relevant and useful as ever...Thanks....
awesome video thank you very much! finally a video that made me understand how to control this weird beast what flight controls do you recommend to use?
Thanks Froogle, I'm downloading DCS world right now and have bought Black Shark 2 ready to install. Inside my new TrackIR box I got a 60% discount code for any single dcs module.
Absolut n00b with the KA-50...the main things I remember is 30^ pitch or roll, when recovering from a dive “gently” pull up the cyclic (or the collective, I don’t really know the difference yet, nor do I know how one operates either...keyboard commands or HOTAS..?)
by far the best explanation on that simulation i have seen so far. nice talk, it's clear, it's easy to understand and the video is good, the skill is here. cool.
8:40 That warning sound was the radar altimeter warning, long low beep, the rotor over speed is a similar tone but more iterations and is accompanied by the rotor RPM warning light, you did well not to over rev the rotors in the dive :D
Great video as always, but I did find an error. When you were recovering from the dive, that solid tone was the minimum altitude alert from the radar altimeter, not a rotor overspeed.
The warning sound (continuous) is not overspeed on the rotor but the radar altimeter telling you that you just dropped below your minimum set altitude, which I think was 100m. Overspeed on the rotor would be signalled by a beeping low tone sound accompanied by the rotor RPM light flashing above the radar altimeter indicator. Excessive airspeed would be indicated by a beeping high pitch sound and the master caution light flashing, together with the IAS MAX caution lamp indicator. Excellent video though.
Nice! Help me a lot! I start flying with shark... just week ago. Question: to stop left level turn I (about 3:50) i just center cyclic and right rudder, because I don't get it?
It is coming, but Coolsky and McPhat have been patching and updating it. I'm waiting for that to calm down so that you guys get a really good video of what it's like, rather than a video of a plane that might still need some big patches.
Amazing ;) Can you make a video showing some night combat with the Black Shark (with illumination rockets and stuff). There are no good videos about this on YT :(
Hey froogle great video. It would have been helpful to many people to clarify what you were doing with the trim while performing these manouvers. Did you hold the trim in to avoid conflicting with it? or did u simply go against it and retrim once you came out of said manouver. Also want to point out that the warning u got at 08:35 wasn't an overspeed warning, but a Ralt warning that you can set the threshold of it on your Raltimeter :)
Hi Froogle, ive just got the x55 after watching your vids about it & wandered if you could make a vid to help me out please? My main game is arma 3 but ive just got DCS (again, thanks to your vids). arma 3 now has the AFM (like TOH). Ive never used a stick/Throttle before & am finding it very over whelming at the moment. What im after is a back to basics tutorial on helicopter flying with the x55. I dont understand basic stuff like what happens when my throttle is forward or back. I know this all sounds very basic, but its only basic if you have the knowledge & right know im very lacking in flying. Many thanks in advance
Would really like to know what buttons need to be programmed to your controller and if they should be programmed to the stick or throttle. One other thing is would you happen to have a profile for the KA-50 using the Satiek X-55. Thanks TC
Are you still a member of the war hawks? Also Glad I found your Channel this week, I love it. I started getting back into the Sim world recently. I haven't touched a Sim since about 2000(FS98, was the last general and Janes LB2 was the last Combat Helo, I think I had an f-22 as well) when School was getting busy and then I started college and couldn't feed the beast, financially, also nothing from 2003 on ran on an old Pentium 2 either. Anyway enough rambling, great videos and Channel, very useful information. Thank You Pete.
RajunKajun 59 Wow !! Janes LB2 was the last one I had, and the reason I found DCS World was Googling for something similar, I'm Loving the Ka-50 so far (and th A10-C) and agree with you that Froogles help is getting me there as far as the transition from fixed wing to Helo's again..I live on a wee Scottish Island, and need something to fill my time ;-)....Next step, TrackIR and a Warthog Hotas (Funds Permitting) and I'll be like a pig in Shit :)
What usually causes me to die is when hovering, the heli starts shake violently and i just fall out of the skies, even full collective it still just shoots to the ground, panic don't save it, what does ?
Is in black shark like engine take off mode and engine flight mode, because when i spawn myself on ground and i pull collective up it will take me back drastically but when i spawn in air a i pull collectiv it don´t happen. (DCS: World Black Shark 2 )
You seem to be obsessed with Vortex Ring State or VRS, but that wasn't VRS In the demo. It was loss of forward airspeed which turned into rearward airspeed causing reversed airflow of the vertical stabiliser. That was what caused the loss of control, and not VRS. To get into VRS you need 3 conditions, airspeed less than 30kts, rate do decent greater than 300fpm and power applied. Without 1 of those it's not normally VRS.
Is this Black Shark 1? I understand they fixed the handling for Black Shark 2 , but I object to paying £20 for what is essentially an update. Love the vids btw, more DCS please.
+Alexander19851 nothing to do with G-force. The problem with the Koax-rotor design is, that the lower rotors blades will successivly bend upwards while rotating in direction of movement when your speed rises. Now when you input left cyclic and or a lot of collective your lower blades will cross the upper blades
To be honest, the blackshark really isn't hard to fly, It's more 3-4 bad habits that new pilots do that leads to their demise. Not understanding how the trim and stabilisation system works is probably the main reason. The second reason is they don't understand the tactics of combat are very different to a plane. The trim is easy, you just need to learn to hold down the trim, stabalise your helicopter with small precise controls, and then finally release the trim. If you just press the trim you are going to have a bad time.
To do the combat U-turn you don't need to turn on the flight director. Again, just hold down the trim. Holding down the trim will disable the Autopilot until you release the trim. When you release the trim it will set your autopilot to your new heading aswell.
I liked your layman's terms about vortex ring! You called it; the best way to get out of vortex ring state is forward cyclic and lower the collective, altitude permitting of course. One of the instructors told me a few days ago, "Hell, you could pitch any direction with the cyclic until you get ETL back if you really wanted." I laughed and agreed. Also, for those curious, in reality, it takes three things to get into vortex ring state 1. a below ETL (effective translational lift) airspeed, 2. pulling 20% or more power and 3. a greater than 300fpm decent rate. Just remember, you can have any two of these three conditions but get all three and then bam you're in VRS. I don't know exactly how that all works out in DCS, however, it seems fairly realistic and I just started messin around with it so I have a lot to learn. I'm sure I'll be using a lot of these videos LOL. Nice job Froogle and Thanks!
Yeah same here - I know the A-10 inside out, but the KA-50 just delivers that feeling of 'flight' like nothing else.
Thank you. Yes I shall continue to make tutorial vids on the shark, and have been thinking of the A-10 as well. I know that aircraft inside out, but it's so popular within the DCS environment (naturally so) that I intentionally chose not to cover it. Still thinking though. And yes, there is a whole video series coming on this channel called "Cold and Dark" - the Shark is included in that series.
An absolute TON. I am literally going to melt your mind with the next vid. Been spending 5 to 8 hours with that aircraft every single day for the past few weeks working on it.
I love the way you are tutoring. Nice job!
Brilliant vid thank you so much for posting this.
I am waiting on a new gaming setup and the DCS series is the first thing I'll be investing in. The Black Shark is one that I wanted to get first but wasn't sure if I should go in at the deep end. This video gives me more confidence to dive in and give it a go, it's invaluable.
Well, I certainly got into a *very* interesting situation with the KA-50. I was practicing low flying and sideways flying when I got a little to low, I actually ended up bumping into the ground. "Better do something else" I thought, as i continued doing some turns. But the aircraft was handling very weirdly, tried trimming it, nothing. Until I finally went to 3rd person and found that I'd lost the entire back half of chopper and was flying around a disembodied cockpit! I then promptly crashed.
Nice, keep these coming please, I brought this and barely use it which is a shame, the interest is definitely there... a few of these and I'll give it a proper go. All the best.
Thx for taking the time making this video
Great training video.
I recently got into DCS and just started flying the Black Shark, bloody great video if I may say so. Cheers.
ty for the proper way to turn the Blackshark in a stable manner
Excellent Video. I love it.
This is enough to make me dust off my HOTAS and park BF4 for a while. I've been looking for a good excuse to do something more challenging. I have owned DCS BlackShark for years but never mastered it. It's Time !
Thanks for the great video.
Y E S ! God I've been so swamped with stuff I really need to get back to the DCS tutorials. Thanks for the reminder.
Great Video Froogle!
waiting for more BS2 vids
This video is really helpful for me, i didn't even know how to correctly turn helo, now i know thanks froogle :)
Also this rapid descent is really helpful.
I couldn't find a playlist for this, should help a lot in finding your videos, they're awesome! You mentioned you have a weapons tutorial but I haven't been able to find it.
excellent way to take the training to the next step !
Pretty much the best video tutorials on the Black Shark I've found so far! Awesome stuff!
Is that landing techniques video coming up someday?
Sounds friggin amazing!
Great tuts! I just jumped in Shark from the beloved fixed wings (A-10 earlier and now BMS Falcon) and I must say Shark is quite challenging :) Landing is great idea as You said so I will watch with pleasure. I must admit after hours of flying on the planes I have much trubles with coordinating this heli so if you will come up with some more basics ( Do's and Don'ts) I'll be thankful. Anyway once again thanks for the good work.
Well done! I got the KA-50 last night and had some serious problems with it... I'm used to simulators (blackhawks) and there is some things that just feel completely weird. Thanks for the help!
Thank you for this instruction.
You're welcome - good luck with your new rig.
Nice video. Like the KA-50 and this makes me like it more :D
This is a fantastic video, I hope you continue to do tutorials for the Black shark, we have a ton of amazing folks doing A-10C stuff but we don't really have any doing really solid and easy to understand Black shark stuff.
I wonder if it would be possible for you to do something as simple as a startup tutorial for the black shark, again, we have a few of those out there but none with your easy to understand style.
Keep up the amazing work!
Thanks, this is great stuff!
Great Stuff my friend, and timeless methinks..Only recently got into DCS World and indeed FSX....I'm competent in the A-10c, but wish to master the Ka-50 as I believe the servers need less Hogs and more Helo's..May seem a time since you did all this, but it's all new to me, and still as relevant and useful as ever...Thanks....
awesome video thank you very much! finally a video that made me understand how to control this weird beast
what flight controls do you recommend to use?
Thanks Froogle, I'm downloading DCS world right now and have bought Black Shark 2 ready to install. Inside my new TrackIR box I got a 60% discount code for any single dcs module.
yay! now i have something interesting to watch!
Loving your Black Shark videos!. Any chance of one showing landing techniques?
nice work, keep it coming :)
Thank you VERY much for this :-)
Absolut n00b with the KA-50...the main things I remember is 30^ pitch or roll, when recovering from a dive “gently” pull up the cyclic (or the collective, I don’t really know the difference yet, nor do I know how one operates either...keyboard commands or HOTAS..?)
Yes, that's a great idea.
by far the best explanation on that simulation i have seen so far. nice talk, it's clear, it's easy to understand and the video is good, the skill is here. cool.
thanks Nathan, glad you liked it
8:40 That warning sound was the radar altimeter warning, long low beep, the rotor over speed is a similar tone but more iterations and is accompanied by the rotor RPM warning light, you did well not to over rev the rotors in the dive :D
Thanks a bunch, Froogle.
I can fly around a bit now, next are the navigation computers and after that, guns, guns, guns...
You have gained a subscriber kind sir :)
Thanks duder.
Great video as always, but I did find an error. When you were recovering from the dive, that solid tone was the minimum altitude alert from the radar altimeter, not a rotor overspeed.
@RezeTox it performs better than the ngx, but is running a few beta patches
Great vid, thanks! I didn't hear you trimming though, what were you doing with it? Holding it down all the time? Or autopilot turned off completely?
The warning sound (continuous) is not overspeed on the rotor but the radar altimeter telling you that you just dropped below your minimum set altitude, which I think was 100m.
Overspeed on the rotor would be signalled by a beeping low tone sound accompanied by the rotor RPM light flashing above the radar altimeter indicator.
Excessive airspeed would be indicated by a beeping high pitch sound and the master caution light flashing, together with the IAS MAX caution lamp indicator.
Excellent video though.
Nice video! Congratulations!
What are the curvature, dead zone, saturation options?
Thank you very much!
DonZorro
Nice! Help me a lot! I start flying with shark... just week ago. Question: to stop left level turn I (about 3:50) i just center cyclic and right rudder, because I don't get it?
It is coming, but Coolsky and McPhat have been patching and updating it. I'm waiting for that to calm down so that you guys get a really good video of what it's like, rather than a video of a plane that might still need some big patches.
Amazing ;)
Can you make a video showing some night combat with the Black Shark (with illumination rockets and stuff). There are no good videos about this on YT :(
Im gonna practice a lot.
Second campaign mission went up a while ago dude......... just gauging demand before I put up third, fourth and fifth.
Hey froogle great video. It would have been helpful to many people to clarify what you were doing with the trim while performing these manouvers. Did you hold the trim in to avoid conflicting with it? or did u simply go against it and retrim once you came out of said manouver.
Also want to point out that the warning u got at 08:35 wasn't an overspeed warning, but a Ralt warning that you can set the threshold of it on your Raltimeter :)
Still waiting for that second campaign mission!
Also could you do the DC-9 Full review?
Can you make a tutorial for the A-10 with the radios?
Hi Froogle, ive just got the x55 after watching your vids about it & wandered if you could make a vid to help me out please? My main game is arma 3 but ive just got DCS (again, thanks to your vids). arma 3 now has the AFM (like TOH). Ive never used a stick/Throttle before & am finding it very over whelming at the moment. What im after is a back to basics tutorial on helicopter flying with the x55. I dont understand basic stuff like what happens when my throttle is forward or back. I know this all sounds very basic, but its only basic if you have the knowledge & right know im very lacking in flying.
Many thanks in advance
Would really like to know what buttons need to be programmed to your controller and if they should be programmed to the stick or throttle. One other thing is would you happen to have a profile for the KA-50 using the Satiek X-55. Thanks TC
Froogle, how do you trim throughout these maneuvres? Are you keeping trim pressed?
Nothing can be perfect :)
yeah well done mate helping me out xD maybe ill complete a mission one day xD
Are you still a member of the war hawks?
Also Glad I found your Channel this week, I love it. I started getting back into the Sim world recently. I haven't touched a Sim since about 2000(FS98, was the last general and Janes LB2 was the last Combat Helo, I think I had an f-22 as well) when School was getting busy and then I started college and couldn't feed the beast, financially, also nothing from 2003 on ran on an old Pentium 2 either. Anyway enough rambling, great videos and Channel, very useful information. Thank You Pete.
you're welcome and yes I still fly with the war hawks
RajunKajun 59 Wow !! Janes LB2 was the last one I had, and the reason I found DCS World was Googling for something similar, I'm Loving the Ka-50 so far (and th A10-C) and agree with you that Froogles help is getting me there as far as the transition from fixed wing to Helo's again..I live on a wee Scottish Island, and need something to fill my time ;-)....Next step, TrackIR and a Warthog Hotas (Funds Permitting) and I'll be like a pig in Shit :)
What usually causes me to die is when hovering, the heli starts shake violently and i just fall out of the skies, even full collective it still just shoots to the ground, panic don't save it, what does ?
Any advice on the axis tune?
Cool! Thats the only way to improve with the helo's!
FSX, but I write in the magazine about that so it's kinda expected.
Okay. But do you enjoy the DC-9 now? does it drains the FPS? because i can only fly with the PMDG at Medium resolution. So im wondering :)
Is in black shark like engine take off mode and engine flight mode, because when i spawn myself on ground and i pull collective up it will take me back drastically but when i spawn in air a i pull collectiv it don´t happen. (DCS: World Black Shark 2 )
great vid.How about landing?All the best from Cleveland,OH hey bytheway can you land 747 at Burke dwntwn Cleveland?
Any more PMDG 737 coming up?
Do you guys run a TeamSpeak or other VoIP server?
You seem to be obsessed with Vortex Ring State or VRS, but that wasn't VRS In the demo. It was loss of forward airspeed which turned into rearward airspeed causing reversed airflow of the vertical stabiliser. That was what caused the loss of control, and not VRS. To get into VRS you need 3 conditions, airspeed less than 30kts, rate do decent greater than 300fpm and power applied. Without 1 of those it's not normally VRS.
No video this week?
Is this Black Shark 1? I understand they fixed the handling for Black Shark 2 , but I object to paying £20 for what is essentially an update. Love the vids btw, more DCS please.
lol as are a great many of my subs
@ANTIMATTERLAZAR DCS Black Shark 2
what do you guys calls when i'm cruising along around 250-270 kph and i break my rotor wings.
Alexander19851 Over G. You turned too hard watch your G meter. Don't go over 3 Gs.
+Alexander19851 nothing to do with G-force. The problem with the Koax-rotor design is, that the lower rotors blades will successivly bend upwards while rotating in direction of movement when your speed rises. Now when you input left cyclic and or a lot of collective your lower blades will cross the upper blades
This is Black Shark 2.
What game is this?
so what is this game?
Adverse yaw
yaw turn is like doing a drift with a car .it seems!!
I'm demanding! haha
*"a slight "twist"" lol
Maybe they're disappointed it's not the real thing and it's DCS instead?
To be honest, the blackshark really isn't hard to fly, It's more 3-4 bad habits that new pilots do that leads to their demise. Not understanding how the trim and stabilisation system works is probably the main reason. The second reason is they don't understand the tactics of combat are very different to a plane.
The trim is easy, you just need to learn to hold down the trim, stabalise your helicopter with small precise controls, and then finally release the trim. If you just press the trim you are going to have a bad time.
To do the combat U-turn you don't need to turn on the flight director. Again, just hold down the trim. Holding down the trim will disable the Autopilot until you release the trim. When you release the trim it will set your autopilot to your new heading aswell.
Wow - a thumbs down already. Umm sorry