FULL STREAM: Clem Sunter vs Julius Malema Cape Chamber of Commerce debate on economy
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- Controversal MP and Economic Freedom Fighters leader Julius Malema took on Clem Sunter, one of South Africa’s most prominent authors and scenario planners, in a two-round debate at the Cape Sun at 7pm on Friday, February 12.
This man Malema is a moving brains. I love him to death. God bless you Juju.
Death brains yes😂😂
I am from Austria and I was once in South Africa. The first thing you notice is the absolutely unacceptable gap between rich and poor. I personally would not even want to be rich there. Being rich in South Africa is simply not something you want at all when you see the living conditions of other people. The way in the cab from the airport to capetown was a catastrophe. i understand that white people don't see or want to see that because it is easy to say "it's the blacks' fault". It doesn't matter at all how you feel about Malema's ideas. It's absolutely necessary to do something about it.
Black fault how? Did everybody forget about apartheid
@@tshepo4612 There were many rich blacks during apartheid! Just because they were apart, it doesn't mean that they had to be poor! There were also many poor white people during apartheid. Poverty is created by the number of brain cells you have ,.. not by the colour of your skin!
My friend you are a true human being because you are willing to acknowledge the truth and you can see the truth
Danke. Das bedeutet mir wirklich viel. Seit ich das Kapital im 21ten Jhdt gelesen habe, sehe ich so einiges vollkommen anders.
It the stop having multiple wives and then still some concubines and breeding children by the dozen, they will also not be so poor. These are shack dwellers that have land and homes in Eastern Cape and they arrive by busloads and erect shacks and form ghettos because instead of working their land in eastern Cape they come and squat near Urban Areas for easy work as domestics ,gardeners etc. Many also are on Government grants for children and do not work. They breed more children to get more grants. You have NO IDEA of South Africa and how the Black culture works. Many are foreign illegals that cross the porouis borders.
As a white Irish man, Ireland’s lands were stolen by English settlers and only returned after a violent civil war, land reparations don’t have to happen through violence but through dialogue. To begin with white South Africans must acknowledge and accept that the land they hold was not taken by their forefathers illegally and the consequences of this illegal land seizing is still being felt today. Land equity needs to be zoned out and black South Africans need to be provided training. It’s unbelievable how black South Africans suffered under Apartheid but yet in 2021 their natural resources have not been returned to them in a gesture of peace and reconciliation for the crimes they suffered.
@ GN You need to amend your comment to state "...the land taken by their forefathers WAS taken illegally"! Aka= THEFT!
It smacks of hypocrisy that an Irish man who rightfully acknowledges that their land was stolen by the English and only returned AFTER A VIOLENT CIVIL WAR , has the audacity to state that the THEFT OF LAND IN AZANIA aka 'South Africa' should be settled by dialogue?!
The absolute hypocrisy of white privilege 'unconscious bias' rears its head again...👀
Amen
Everytime I arrive in Johannesburg (I mainly come to SA on transit mainly work related) and I see the metal shacks which are home to millions of people of South Africa, surely my heart bleeds.
I often wonder, why has the liberation movement sold out on the ordinary Black South Africans who paid with their lives to make SA a democratic country, only to be forgotten by their own elite who have now assumed the former regime place of priviledge as elites and live in Sandton; whilst the poor have no access to land, no access to education and state protection for economic freedom and emancipation.
For this reason, I used to advice one Colleague of mine in Botswana who was a former ANC Umkonto we Sizwe Cadre that; I truly belief ANC has failed the African population that suffered the most brunt of the apartheid regime by not affording the people of darker skin tone (predominantly black) free education more especially at University level. How does ANC really seek to address 310 years of apartheid without university education amongst the most victims of apartheid....
We used to quarrel to a point of not talking to each other, thanks God my brother with his ex-liberation experience we still reconciled and shook hands the following day, we just had to accept we do not agree on how ANC handled education for victims of apartheid...
Sure, there is no liberation until access to land and equal enjoyment of the wealth of South Africa by the majority populations.
By the way, the problem of equal access to the wealth of African economies is not only a South African problem, because here in Botswana, we own land but are still poor even with a population of less than 2.5million. Rich as Botswana is, we remain the most income skewed nation where the rich have it all and the majority live from hand to mouth with one of the highest unemployed and underpaid employees...
The challenge though different across the African continent, we need robust wealth transfer economic mechanisms to ensure the greater population participate and enjoy post colonial Africa which for the time until now; has remained illusive and a dream most current African governments have no genuine commitment to resolve....
The seminar was frank and eye openning...
@@moleferantsudu1966 i
I'm a 24-year old Afrikan (SOUTH AFRICAN) & I am truly humbled and grateful for the solidarity many IRISH nationals & organisations have maintained with our people (& many others across the globe).
I never thought Mr Malema so articulated and clearer in his logical and justifiable argument. We need such leadership in our era.
Yes in Zimbabwe
This man is BRAVE. When the camera spanned the audience in attendance, I was legit afraid for him. As a Canadian and member of the African diaspora, who randomly landed on this video, I learned so much! Thank you so much to Julius Malema.
😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
Amen good for him God bless him
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He has good intentions but his arrogance 😢
Julius, you are leadership worth and not a liability. Your brilliant understanding of issues should continue to be people uniting.
i dont care whatever anybody saids about Malema - He is Great. People seem to forget hes not even 40 yet, and still he is more wise and intelligent than many older african leaders i know. No matter what i have a strong believe he will be South African president someday. I think he has abigger fan base out side of South africa than in south africa. You have no idea how we Ghanaians love him
Great failure yes
Julius Malema is great to someone with a low mentality
We need another one of these !! It woke a lot of people up and it also addressed a lot of which people had fears about .
Give JuJu that presidency IMMEDIATELY
I am really enjoying the discussion which touches on some aspects of the Keynedian model of supply and demand in the economy.
@@banimayeng3849❤❤`
Both speakers are saying almost the same thing it seems constitusltion and presidential term limit along with a few other changes that will keep the benefits in the country's coffers.
Any wellthinking person can finish that statement.
South Africans are blessed to have you Mr Malema. J. I wish I had the power to vote for you. From Zambia
That time Kobus just realised Malema isn't as stupid as the South African Media portrays him to be. Good points. Good debate. Hope for more!
Eish 🙆 Louder Cuz 🤷😠😡😠🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦
I've believed he was. But this debate opened my eyes.
I guess the problem is you never fully listen to his interviews, I guess ❤️
@sinethembantsendwana4288 read for comprehension!
After seven years is my first time sitting and listening to this debate ....from today am ready to be a member of EFF
Me too brother
Yea, SA and African people worldwide need brothers like Malema not afraid to tell these devils the truth and hold them accountable for their atrocities and wickedness around the globe.
Everytime i have doubts about what Malema stands for, i just come back to this debate and everything is put in place 👌🏿👌🏿, mr Malema, the people's champion..
Thanks you Mr. Phillimon
8😅😅pppp LL
I am here February 2020 to listen to Mr J Malema have you ever heard of another black South Africa 🇿🇦 speaking with such clarity?Mr J Malema is just seeing things in high definition, he is on POiNT..Mr Malema is so calm and speak with clarity.One can’t help but respect Mr J Malema
Vusi Thembekwayo is as Good.
Trevor Noah is not bad either ...
Tundu Antipas Mughwai Lissu is of the same calibre
Im 6 years late to the party but damn this feels good to hear
I'm late too. But truly appreciate the debate
We are late but this is good stuff.
True
I also listened to the speech Mr Malema made in the Oxford Union and I concluded that contrary to the impression that has been portrayed of him he is actually very intelligent and addresses issues that are a concern to all South Africans which the govt of the ANC has neglected for a long time he is definitely the voice of the oppressed, oppressed by their own, because they forgot that it was the people that put them in power in the first place. Corruption in South African govt has reached embarrassing levels. Greetings from the United Kingdom
They will tell to see what they want. Thanks to videos like these we make up our own minds. Mr Malema is Shap 🧠
So mbmnn
There is potential in Julius which will only be compromised by him being rude to elders.
Should he learn to drive the elders in parliament towards the right direction,with respect, he will garner more support.
He is getting matured.
If life can produce people like Malema ,the world will be a better place to live❤
A excellent debate by both speakers. I must say that Mr Malema put his views across in a brilliant manner and as he says some issues are not always comfortable but need to be addressed. An economic Codesa is a very good idea and we can only hope that this becomes a reality. The majority of South Africans must become an integral part of the economy for this country to progress.
Totally agree
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I agree
SOE's are failing miserably. COVID Funds looted. Your friend Malema openly threatens whites. You dreaming!
An African woman stood up and challenged an African on matters land, claiming a fellow African had no right to speak about land? I am Kenyan, but I can talk about South African land repossession, coz this is in my blood, wat she talking about?
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Sorry to say this but she sounded illiterate by thinking that africans and khoisans which are africans are different from one another lol. But this is what apartheid did it made black people think their somehow different from one another.
What are YOU talking about?
@@vdblur925
And Black nationalism made _YOU_ think that all Black people are the same.
You have to be supremely ignorant or so charmed by pan-Africanism that you think that all Africans are the same.
You clearly don't know Africa.
@@lu881 This has nothing to do with that!! She is saying that the Bantu clan have no land in SA that is stupid and Ludacris!! My mom is Khoisan and my father is part of the Bantu clan. She can't tell me nothing about land when she only has one perspective. How the truck can she say the Bantu have no right to claim land when they covered the northern part of South Africa and the Khoi only covered the southern part??
The audacity of some people, how can you come to someone else's house and disrespect them?Honorable Mallema you gave a strong intelligent debate 👏. Our land must be returned to us!
You dont need land to be successful
@@HoodTrendz land is more than success in Africa
@@HoodTrendz you’re insane! You typed, this nonsense sitting on land! Don’t come here & type such no nonsense
THEY are never short of audacity!
@@HoodTrendz what, are you high off Chinese weed
I am an American musician ,the music of South Africa is beautiful, although I haven't studied it to the degree of other music ,I have a profound love of it. In listening to this I am learning a great deal about the nation. I would love to see these problems solved , peacefully. Land is such an emotional issue.
Let's the people of South African share land no matter you are a black or white person. Everyone should benefit from the natural resources of the country.
Thank you very much
Land is such a survival, justice and human rights issue especially to the indigenous people of that exact land.
The problem is the white people took our land by gun and want us to buy it from them
I’m Jamaican and I’m so happy and proud of my family in Africa that fact aJMfor President of the united Africa 🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿✌️✌️✌️✌️
Good to note that our fellow Africans in diaspora are indeed monitoring what is cooking in this Continent of ours. Let's hold 👐 and realise our United Africa as dreamed by our fallen Heroes who are not at peace ✌ till date due to corrupt leaders who are selling the continent to their so called friends in arms. Its the struggle we need to wage so far. Aluta Continua 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Mr. Malema is the brother I never had. He has a messianic leadership skill displayed in his talks. He made his attitude take a higher altitude and created a higher plane for the EFF. Should Africa get United today, I will always vote Malema to lead until he retires voluntarily from active politics. There is hope for Africa. Long live Malema! Long live EFF!
PS:
I am a doctor and econometrician from Ghana.
I salute Malema for his informing speech and well-conducted arguments. . I agree with Malema that the natural resources should be in the hands of the state rather than belonging to companies established by Cecil Rhodes and financed by the Rothschilds - and the wealth is still exported to English and American companies. The lands holding our natural resources such as gold, diamonds platinum uranium etc. were sold to these multi-billion companies was sold to them initially by local chiefs who did not know about the wealth beneath their land. could be reclaimed by the South African government - not the farms - as Malema makes people understand to 'take over' by any African who claims it by means of force. One can just look what happens in Zimbabwe to understand that farming is a hard job and needed the skills of experienced farmers who keep food at our tables. Mandela must be wise enough to look at the history of communism that did not work for the people living in Cuba or any other previous communistic countries/.If Mandela would use his negotiating be able to speak in parliaments about enforced skill education for our youth; an education that makes young South Africans independent of grants, due to decent self-sustaining salaries as an exchange for their professional crafts. The people stayed poor in these communistic countries because skill education was not part of their leader's agenda. and only their leaders lived and still live like capitalists. Is Mandela aware that Bankers lend fictional money and live off the interests they negotiate with any lone securing a loan? That makes gold - as a national resource redundant. Mandela would we wise to address this issue in parliament. We can not eat money - but we can buy food if we have an effective farming community and a population educated in the building industry to lower the employment of unskilled labour who still live below the poverty line. We need more skilled politicians and ministers in each category who are totally familiar with their allocated job. and not individuals who become ministers because they are friends of the ANC core. We need a government who know the meaning to govern is to work every day for the well of the population. One can not fight for peace it is a contradiction in itself. The way forward is to work together towards a peaceful society by means of educating the population!!!
I agree with you Maria Jensen, except that for the land, the example of Zimbabwe is a bad example. Yes, the expropriation of the lands will generate the ambargo of the western countries because it is them who take the advantage of the exploitation of the South African land. Africa in general remains the hungry continent yet you have big farmers. They do agriculture to feed Europe. It is time to review all this, Zimbabwe serves as a case study.
Maria Jensen You claim to have heard Mr Malema,but you have not,or if have,you are in denial of the fact that land has to be returned. You'll simply want us to acquire those skills/qualifications you talk about so that we can still perpetuate enriching your kind,the minority in possession of the land very land we work on,to further you all's wealth. Some of you just "don't want to understand this concept,yet some,like you,claim to,haha!"
The thing here is you'll hate the thought of seein yourselves livin avarage lives like we have been,after livin lavish for as long as you can remember.
Indeed,greed is you all's nature,& you just have to live with that. I do not believe there's/are any other ways this concept should be further explained to anyone who has viewed this video,& to those that were physically present at that ceremony. A very little hint can reveal a person's character as they try to camouflage under even "speech," like in your case. Believe me,from a black person's perspective,you are not genuinely a good person,just in case you somehow convince yourself of that.
Bravo Maria... I could not pass by your comment without congratulating you on your fine words. Most whites will hate you for them... Stay strong knowing you speak for a bigger picture than self interest!
you will quickly find these fakes are not motivated by inequality but by resentment and greed and youre all headed for a fuckin catastrophe.. he reminds me of american democrats who dupe the poor into believing mass immigration is good when all the math and facts show that without a doubt it hurts the very communities voting for those shitbags... oh well not my fuckin problem till they make it my problem and our safes are full of guns ... lol fuck em
Absolutly agreed with you Maria
I never thought the day would come when JM would make sense to me. Respect ✊🏼
Pp0pppp
He does make sense sense sometimes
Ey my man
@@khaladimontja1637 All the time
@@khaladimontja1637 all the time man
There is so much truth in all this from Malema
"the ability to talk to those that disagree with us" by Julius Malema. Very powerful words.
@graham yeah
Personally, I can see Mr. Malema becoming a great leader assuming the popularity of the late Madiba.
And the next sentence he says kill the boer
@@kolobedakana4402 o liewe vader
@@daughterofelohim173 that's even better
Wonderful to see a very intelligent non-biased white gentleman addressing the audience. This is a vital component, there are a great number of super intelligent African black people, many of them are skilled capable leaders.
+William B agreed
+William B My Steps and Solution for SA:
1) True Justice & solid reconciliation via sensible Land empowerment and Nationalization of resources for the benefit of the majority. No single family or person should be able to own hectares upon hectares just because they can. Those who can prove they purchased their property via their hard graft ( not stolen resources or mines) are allowed to keep it whilst those who can not prove ownership ( mainly apartheid Era land grabs ) will face confiscation without compensation. Negotiations can take place for certain circumstances.
2) "South Africa remains the most unequal country in the world with the two richest South Africans (Johann Rupert and Nicky Oppenheimer, according to Forbes) having wealth equal to the poorest 50 percent (i.e. 26.5-million people) of the country, according to an Oxfam global inequality report." This is madness...these two chaps will be forced to accept 65%-80% of their stolen "wealth" to be redistributed via the establishment of nationalised companies that pay good wages to workers and that bring tax revenue to the country. If they refuse they will be arrested on the grounds of perpetuating social discord in SA. Putin and Russia successfully done this to Oligarchs that controlled Russia's oil and gas resources and turned it into a national state company.
3) Capital Controls and an aggressive clampdown on tax evasion. You earn money in SA you have to invest at least 45% of it here.
4) Unflinching fight against elite political corruption and criminality. An independent powerful body to oversea this and the upholding of the constitution.
5) The removal of all statues, names and monuments that perpetuate white supremacy and imperialism from public grounds. These will be placed in museums so they remain historically important but are not openly glorified. If I was the leader of Zimbabwe I would dig up Rhodes and send him back to London. This will help healing and reconciliation.
6) Strong clampdown on violent crime and tougher sentencing.
7) Legalise, control & tax psychedelics.
8) Grow and utilise Hemp / bamboo as cash crops and job creators.
9) Skills and employment focused affordable education financed by cutting MP wages by 15% and adding more taxes on super luxury items
10) Brining in a relaxed two child policy for both the wealthy and the poor
11) Encouraging common sense politics and decision making.
12) Super charging the relationship within the BRICS in order to attain tech transfer and win-win or south-south mutual advancement. I'm sad to say the West still view Africans as subhumans and bully us into making SA a dumping ground for rotten western produce.
13) Close work with Billions in Change ( water and clean energy solutions), Winsun ( 3D Home production at super affordable prices)
14) Zero tolerance on poaching / enviromental degradation ( 25 year minimum sentences and death sentences for repeat offenders)
15) Dismantling of all Oligarch controlled news media and propaganda outlets
16) Introduction of living wages in order to close the wage gap between the rich and the poor and promote rapid career paths for Africans in the workplace. All medium and large business who can afford it have to pay this or face huge fines
17) Nationalising the Central Bank of SA. Why does the government borrow money from its on central bank at crazy rates of interest when it has the power to create money in the very same manner as the bank. Who is profiteering from the interest?
18) Creation of a separate development and Jobs Bank of SA that will provide trillions of Rand for concrete development and industrialization purposes. These "loans" will be 0.00001% interest rate and will not mature for 99 years and will not require payment until that date. ( By than the concept of money will become obsolete)
19) The creation of a SA automotive company that will build very modest but useful means of transportation ( motorcycles, scooters, rickshaws, small cars, mini buses) that run on electricity and that will be provided at slightly above cost price to the masses. Elon Musk will invited to help with this.
Overall result will be less tension, better life for all, less crime, more tourism and healthier SA
+Truth Bish! You and I have an equal point of view as regards the honourable Malema and all of South Africa.My having seen what the West has done to South Africa over this past 60 odd years, then with my second reading of the original David Livingston book Missionary Travels printed in 1856 or shortly thereafter, (I have since loaned this book to a Doctor from India) has shown what a deplorable history the Whites and the Portuguese embarked upon all those years ago.I have read the J A Michener book of the arrival of the Dutch Voortrekkers and as they became the Boers. In fact all the history that is publicly available.I myself am a born in Holland Australian, I have studied the life of the Australian Aborigine in the early times. I reel with shame as to the way the original British settlers treated the Indigenous of Australia. America is currently trashing the entire World. England has more blacks than whites.I would even like to see the Malema model brought into Australia with its model of equalities, but this won't happen in my lifetime.I have also studied Putin. He has done what many before him could never have done. may the force be with you.
William B Respect my white brother.
It is better that people look to the future and less to the sad memory of the broken body skeletons of South Africa's native people living close to the main cities in South Africa, during the horrors of bias and thuggery among that torturous and often deadly Apartheid era.
Excellent debating Julius. That was very good. Fully packed with facts that all well meaning South Africans black or white should support to win the battle against economic apartheid in South Africa.
Both speakers were very good, I'm so proud of Malema shame👍never expected the personality he displayed - he reminded me of the late President Nelson Mandela, may his soul rest in eternal peace. Keep up the good work Juju🙌
Well articulated cde juju
Just because he is well spoken and knowledgeable doesnt make him sincere and trustworthy. He is the new kid on the block
Think you need to see a pshycho. You are not in touch with reality!
Wow... I still can believe the open mindedness, but strict approach that the CIC has 👌👌👌👌
Am I the only one that like Malema so much???
Even though I am from Liberia.
Welcome son of soil
No!I Love him,and i am born in American.
It is not how much land youi own that matters, but what you do with the land that is crucial
I’m from 🇺🇸 and I like him! We need a leader like this!!
I'm a captured slave per way of my Ancestors "here in the hells of north amerikkka" and I have much respect for our Big Brother Comrade Malema.😊
If we can we can have this type of conversation all over south africa 🇿🇦 it can build us in big ways keep up
"WE ARE MADE TO FEEL WE DO NOT BELONG HERE! IN CAPE TOWN... IN OUR OW COUNTRY" - CiC J. Malema
Malema's growth is amazing. looking at his old videos is testament to this fact. He learns and is able to adjust his views through engagements like this. A leader has to be able to grow and learn
grow and inspire....giving people hope and dreams to dream big
Mr Malema j you are special keep the spirit burning we are with .
Malema is a very unique person. His reasoning resonate outside SA.
Absolutely true
Malena I Dr Mela is of African descent and a Nigerian in particular but the most interesting thing is that you inspire me.
Well done Sunter for being open to accept the truth being told and your positive responses to the debate questions
Again, I go to bed in peace knowing that we have Malema in South Africa. I have never been so ready for elections!!!!
Why don't South Africans vote Julius in for President OmyGod! He is the most fearless Politician in the world .I love this Guy!
Who else would stand for blacks like Malema does? Who else would bring up confidence of the blacks like he does? Who else would fight for land like he does? This man has balls.His the very important tool for change in our country.He should be a president.
yes and I still have my farm in the beautifull mountains Xhosa land,i live there for free,he,he,he,he
Yes TOOL being the correct discription
I dont doubt that he raises your hopes and ignites passions. Sadly I dont share your optimism that life in South Africa will be better with the ideas that he is promoting. NOWHERE has socialism worked for the masses. Basic arithmetic will tell you it will not work in South Africa either. The reason why I say so is that all the EFF rhetoric is around white privilege and wealth. If you take all that the whites own (and have worked very hard for) and redistribute it to the all the blacks in South Africa we will all still be poor. I fail to see how 5 million whites can make 55 million blacks wealthy if they cannot even enrich themselves. (most whites are middle or below middle class now.) We need economic growth - not a revolution. The best countries achieve growth of 8% for short bursts at a time. Even if we can achieve that it will take years to enrich all of South Africans. And even then the distribution will not be equal - there will be the super rich whites and blacks (as it is intelligence that makes you go up, not skin colour)
If you dont believe my statement that whites no longer hold the economic reigns, just stand at a busy intersection and check who drives what - the majority of drivers in luxury vehicles are non-white.
So I come to the conslusion that Malema is not about economic freedom, but something else. Support him at your peril.
Wooow..I love this motion! MALEMA YOU ARE THE REAL MAN OF THE HOUR! YOU SHOULD JOIN WITH PROF LUMUMBA, THE PRESIDENT OF MADAGASCAR who has allowed COVID tea in Madagascar AND PRESIDENT MAGUFULI of Tanzania to form AFRICA FOR AFRICAN FIRST! to DESIGN new policies for AFRICA especially AFRICA HEALTH ORGANISATION a body to make decisions about medicine in Africa, AFRICA ECONOMIC ORGANISATION which should unite all African countries and they should reinforce and develop economic projects within Africa..and should limit debt to be within Africa countries rather than outside Africa debt. We want full freedom..not partial freedom. Hey and MALEMA you were right about the CCP in China..we can see it's effectiveness now in 2020.If Gadafi was alive today..he would be part of this panel that am naming..but there should be a GADAFI somewhere..to take on..and progress his legacy!! and I would like to be part of the team as African Diaspora living in Europe who is educated and has experience living in Europe and has identified loopholes.
What a relief to hear intelligent, thoughtful political debate
This was a really good discussion. More of this should happen.
I love this guy Melama, very intelligent and true to his beliefs. He needs to be protected at all cost.Mervin watching from Toronto.
Thanks Toronto for your love of South Africa. I saw one guy on TV during Mandela funeral who flew from Toronto just to be part of the Madiba funeral. It makes me wanna know more of you guys. I am South African
The man who has been convicted for racketeering, money laundering and fraud? The man who takes from his own people for his own personal gain? The man who preaches to kill white people within South Africa? This man is a very wicked person with not a genuine bone in his body.
Lol Privileged White leftist still encouraging Black Communist in Africa which has kept Africans in abject poverty it’s disgusting from the leftist pushing this agenda & embarrassing the Black Africans still listen to these immoral ideologues
@@jonathanh9592 why are you lying? 🤔 When was Malema convicted of any fraud 🤷♂️
Malema is as sharp as a razor. I hear so many people dismissing him as an idiot, saying that the EFF will never make an impression. Every inch the ANC loses will be taken up by the EFF, at least that's what I think. I think he will be a great leader, not necessarily a good one, but certainly great. If his heart is truly for the people 100% then he could be the best leaders the world has ever seen...he has the capability no doubt....something is going to happen with him. My concern is if can we trust that what he says is coming from his heart? What makes me doubt is that he never spoke out against Ramaphosa and the likes when he was part of the ANC....further whilst Zuma had over 700 counts of corruption against him it was Malema who aided Zuma to power. Why??? Is he not only speaking out now because it suits his cause. Also if I look at him I see someone who drives a range rover, lives in Sandton, drinks Jonny Walker black......he's living the life of the rich and yet pleads the plight of the poor and oppressed. Please God help this country!
Good tactics: Praise highly and then destroy brutally!
Juju has long apologized to all South Africans for helping Zuma becoming President. Also, he speakes out against Cyril Ramaphosa.
Maybe he should use a byclcle, maybe. But to some Africans, Juju is Royalty and these Africans would aggree that he deserves a minimum comfort in chosing his working tools as their leader.
Your post sir, although a bit cunning, is very hishonest!
Actually I found myself being drawn towards him....but when I started to think hard about it these issues came to mind. Actually the cunning and dishonest one could well be Malema, I'm just stating how I see things....and hey I could be wrong. I recently heard him say that Zimbabwe is the only African country where Africans own it. He said that they have felt pain and that South Africa needs the same pain. The issue I really have with that is that whilst the poor suffer greatly and feel the pain, he won't be, in fact he'll still be living in absolute comfort. Is Mugabe feeling the pain? Politicians are all the same...they are only concerned about power and control. But the worst politicians are European, I mean Mugabe just wants to control Zimbabwe, yet the European Union Politians want to control the world.
Mr Luke Thomson, you are European. Juju is Afrikan.
Yes Zimbabwe is a free country now. Very free. And this is the opinion of a German Professor, very versed with the history of Zimbabwe. The main reason some people in Zimbabwe suffer right now is the economic embargo waged against that country. What the West cannot control it must destroy.
If you think you can create a divide between Mugabe, Malema and Afrikan people anywhere then you got it totally wrong.
Your entry into world history had to do with the destruction of the Afrikan world. Thus, your interest and Juju's are diametrically opposed. I do not expect you to understand his position.
He is speaking from an Afrikan Nationalist position which you must see as a threat to your zeal to hold unto your illusion of a Eurpean world domination. This controll sir, is slowly but steadily diminishing.
European peoples coming in significant numbers into Afrika meant the ultimate catastrophe for Afrika. This is a lesson of history. Juju understands this. And he is reminding the forum that South Africa has only the two options: Nationalizing its wealth through the ballot or through (the bullet) a revolution.
From my study of the past, if South Africa wants real peace, then there is only one option.
Friend, I sincerely wish you the very best for the future and hope thing work out for you and your fellow africans. have a wonderful day, and may God bless you and your family.
Luke Thomson
Thanks. Likewise.
The voice of a true great man, Mr. Malema.
This was 7 years ago but it sounds like yesterday. One thing I like about Malema is his consistency and passion for Africa and our people.
Im a Namibian and the Khoisan woman was actually Trying I should say, to talk my language. Coz I had to listen 5 times to put together her words. We originally came from South Africa the history taught us. And its thrilling to see the Khoisan voice still out there in South Africa even after u lost ure language.
What tribe 4 you,, khoi khoi or the san be clear here bcoz khoisan is fake tribe
How many of the blafricans in South Africa are actually khoisan? Because they stole the land and turned the country into a third world country.
@@cbucicocimama9517 I bet you say that because you aren't indigenous and have no claim in South Africa
Go deeper in history
Am not south African am Ethio- Sudanese citizen but from the looks of things we need this man Julius malema ,Africa should listen to him
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David Miles the only stupid person here is you dude, stop trying hard to defame Juju rather focus your time on your grammar and spelling
Dong Dong Tut Banang You have very low standards if that is what you consider worthy. He uses propaganda and the uneducated masses to enrich himself. He is involved in tax fraud and tender scandals.Just a common criminal fooling the masses and somehow someone in Sudan. You have enough problems in Sudan but you are welcome to take this Malema anytime.
yes,for War and Looting.Any way China will take over soon
Sounds like a fascist, racist, dictator. Pay no attention to a small boy that wants war cos he can offer nothing else
The demand of land is growing...7 years ago you said this and the results are showing. We have to work 10 times just to get a piece of land that others got for free, it's very sad.
haven't listened the whole session,am Zimbabwean in Zim.This thing needs to be done the proper way.I have lived in the hyper-inflation period its not nice at all.If any South African could come and stay in Zim,all would wake up and work hard not what they demand to be served on a silver plater.Malema is right in his senses,if all could be done in an open correct way
In Zim Collins we saw attack...grab and chase owners of property....Constitution should be engaged
@Collinsmugadza. You took the land from white people! Then afterwards what happened? You have the land and yet poverty is the order of the day! Again this is our country and tell us how to run it or what to do with it! We do what we see fit about our country and clearly you don't understand politics! And it is utterly disappointing! The relationship between government and its citizens is called a Social Contract, wherein there is a mutual agreement of state management and the government of the day Must render the services to its citizens! So a meek person like you wouldn't understand that logic! Thwart!
Malema.... Malema... Thank you Lord for this guy.. The wisdom and knowledge embedded in him is something out of this world.. Thank you Lord. We are going somewhere
How can you thank the Lord for a person that shouts KILL, KILL, KILL unless you are addressing the lord of darkness. Make were sure the "somewhere" where you are going is the right path to the LORD JESUS CHRIST and not your lord the satan. Remember dead people (ancestors) can't help you. They are dead so leave them in peace. I don't think Mr. Malema needs any outside help - he knows what his aim is and he stands by it. Respect that from every person who got their own views on issues. The truth will always win.
Thank heavens for his white lawyers.O goodness......
@@viking_boer8474 okay viking boer lmao
1. He said Nkandla must fall they said he is obsessed with Zuma, then he confessed to pay back.
2. He said Zupta must fall they said he is being Xenophobic and he is childish at SONA... Now everybody has realised that Zupta must fall.
Indeed he is the son of the people.
I love this man, like him or not he is going to save South Africa.
Never underestimate the power of Julius Malema.
+Lesotho Tupperware I agree, he has been several steps ahead of everybody
Marcus The Great hey dumbass Marcus, supremacy and arrogance is falling
Marcus The Great stfu dumbass
Marcus The Great Europeans are not native to Africa, their arrogance will soon have them swimming back to their homeland
Marcus The Great concern yourself about europe jackass, Bye Felicia
These discussion is 7 years old, today I fill my future generations safe in Mr J Malema ideas, I fill safe behind Malema's leadership 💯
Woow is my first time seeing this eye opening interview all hail to both contestants and thankful to Mr Santa for not being bias and telling truth as it is....I'm so impressed with his insights also....what a great engagement all hail to you Mr Malema you are a genius.
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Tell that to his lawyers.
May you never lose this vision my brother, God bless you and bring them to fruition in our time
Fact is, 80% of land is not owned by whites. Fact is, communism has never brought positive change to any country and has killed 100's of millions of people. If the state owns the land, people will never own land and will lease it from the state. If you don't agree with the state you will not be able to lease land and therefore you will be manipulated into supporting a dictatorship that only cadres and those politically connected benefit from. The politically elite. BEE is a disaster for this reason. Malema must eff off.
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@@maryduplessis2510, welcome to the other side of the coin.
But he is NOT going to Eff off so that folks like you can continue to suck the life out of others, just because your skin makes you "think" you are superior, rather than what you have earned or what is legitimately yours. If you cannot abide by laws as proposed by this intelligent man, then i guess you are choosing to live a "rich" life with stolen goods, but must always live in fear of losing it and more?! He is proposing fairness to the rapists, pillagers and plunderers and their descendants who continue to who gave no mercy to the ones they brutalized!.
You must LEARN to work for what you want. You cannot continue to live off the fruits of other people's labor. You must be made uncomfortable. Your wyt skin cannot be enough, because it ISN'T enough and maybe for FIRST time in your life, you are being made to hear Truth. It must be hard for you to hear.
I am a Ghanaian but I think we need only 5 people of Malema's kind to translate African numerous challenges into fortunes.
Yes in each country
I think u forgot to replace the person's name, it's "Robert Mugabe"
So it should read: 'I'm Ghanaian and I think we only need 5 like-minded people that emulate lord commander Robert Mugabe to turn Africa's problems to monetary success"
Yea, veriii niiice...
Uneducated, uninformed and stupid
@@ivanprivalikhin5916 Mugabe was in exile in Ghana I believe.. His way was paved by British and Israeli MI6/Mossad with targeted assassinations. The plan was to collapse white africa. Malema is an alcoholic and a hate merchant but he is owned by the same clique who backed apartheid and then collapsed apartheid, the same clique who also own the large part of the SA economy and resources now but who hate white Afrikaaners. They are laughing as they push Malema as just a dumb attack dog. It's quite laughable that a man owned by the racist Hirsch family is partying with them in plush Ibiza and then saying "blame all the white christians.. not the owners of the economy., not my backers."
I swear
Great to have you Mr Malema.. God bless you.
Mr.Malema has done his homework (research)extremely
I had a privilege to watch Julius Malema Q&A Oxford Union I suggest that the upcoming leadership do the same, its brilliant address by young African leader as Clem Sunter stated. Lets take politics aside with Malema we have a best leader...
Is he going to become president?
Michael Makgoba the Oxford speech was just awesome
One of the best speech I ever hear from a African soon to be leader. Go my brother.
Even if Zimbabwe are suffering today in future they will be glad they sacrificed to rid themselves of the descendants of our oppressors
True
Mr Sunter is only interested in progress and development of all South Africans. He is not selfish, he understands the difficulties that face the Black people of our country and is willing to be part of the solution. We appreciate such leaders and they give us hope that our country can still do better under such leadership. The debate was of a high standard, informative, interesting, calm and peaceful and was conducted by civilised intelligent people, well done both of you. I was very impressed. Greetings from the United Kingdom.
Now this is the Malema. I am fascinated about. I suppose that his current behaviour has been informed largely by the frustrations he may have faced in the past few years. His opinion here with a lot of decorum makes a better Malema. Up Malema!
Mmusi Maimane can't touch this..
This is the kind of a leader we want
+Bonga Fati Maimane is a pussy
+Jon Snow do you agree with his political and socialist views?
Pierre Swanepoel they are worth a try.. If the current system only helps to enrich a few, then maybe Malema's methods are worth a try
Yes, but if they don't want you to eat so they arrest you. In America they arrest you for simple and minor things keep you in the prison system for years, which the rich and all corporations invest in to get rich. I the prison the men fork for a dollar a day and they perform Lobotomies and experiment on them. Recently they found a mass grave near the prison, these men have been here for a long time. We have men who's families have been broken up this way, this is the agenda, to divide families. Millions of our men are locked up for the sake of big business.
So many leaders that can do good end up just as bad. I hope it does not happen. Remember....Julius lives in.....Sandton......
Very courageous and motivator always Mr Malema
God bless the people of South Africa.
Malema is smarter than a whole lot in the ANC and the DA. He holds no reservations.
Do south Africans blacks use the word nigga?
He is a clever devil, who is given too much practice on the podium. Some people like horror movies, some like listening to potential dictators.
Andrew David Harrison
Lol. Exactly. Black ppl worship these dictators (seeing them as this great opportunity) while failing to realise that they're only for themselves and not for the ppl.
Andrew David Harrison yes to greed white people like you
No we don't call each other nigga that is an American thing and we are happy for it to remain over there but we call each other comrade.
I am a Kenyan but malema I would practically feel safe under your leadership you are a true son of the land , to the Khoisan lady am disappointed in you for showing such ineptitude with audacity but I forgive you,fact stands up that we are all African mum go slow,
Sir Malema continue with the revolution what I know you are not an insurgent or anarchist,, struggle continues
@@b.3066 You are clueless because u loved apartheid while black people suffer. Please look for a new continent to rob. Malema is smarter than your IQ allows you to articulate. Nothing complex here than give back the people what was stolen in the first place. You truly believe that the struggle stops with freeing Mandela from jail? OOOh, brother, you are selfish, evil and brainless and childish criminally minded.... However, you cannot fool people forever! Love from Lagos Naija ;-)
@Paula Wells You can tell this your outdated divide and rule tactic to Donald Trump... Very glad that African are aware about who their rightful partners are. People like you is the reason all African in Africa and in diaspora wants EFF.
@Paula Wells Go tell that to Malema and tell me lather what was his answer to you. You apartheid hero who wants to convince a rastaman that bush people are the real owners of SA and of course the Dutch or the so called Afrikans who cam from Europe. Africa have a new partner from Asia who are doing greater than the European (Slaves masters like you who prefer and loves an uneducated black man and loves to see blacks as slaves in 2019 and will do anything to keep that going to generations) Keep dreaming until EFF rectify s the constitution and we will see that lands will be redistributed and nothing like that of Zimbabwe will happen in SA as your divide and rule tactic will not work and if that will be the case, the chinese will he fucking happy to come in... Time will tell who are the real kings as invaders, conqueror, slave masters, colonialist will be sorted out one by one... So you all can go to Australia etc. but not SA... The same will get to Namibia etc. etc.
@Paula Wells You are clueless about what you talking about and the insult that blacks cannot control their own nation is an insult on everybody that has anything Africa blood running in his or her body. This tells me that you are a racist white man / woman or whatever living in Africa and has the gut to be a racist. A person like you must be deported and you can write my word that you cannot hide anywhere with your idiotic wannabe mentality in 2019. The Chinese who has money to spend are actually waiting for this racist people to go so they can come to invest with respect... For your information, the so-called African whites are human, they aren't going anywhere, cos they love SA, so as a human, you have to tell them what to do and clear them from their evil idea, evil mentality of trying to be the boss forever in SA when my people have seen the light. This cannot happen again and we are going to end this nonsense.. If SA economy collapses, no problems because those majority of brothers living in the ghetto has nothing to lose.. Sure you know this and you seem to forget that Europe is not that great anymore and the US with Mr stupid Donald Trump is not great anymore... And Great Britain with or no BREXIT is not great anymore. So my dear, check out what the time is now and stop living on old expired glory we African knows exactly about
TED ANDREW JOBITA That lady lost the plot when she referred to herself as Khoisan. There is no such a people. Khoekhoe people and San (Abathwa) people are two distinctly different nations and can't be lumped in one by any means. She extricated herself from Africa and made South Africa and in particular Cape Town an island that was invaded by Africans. There's no history or evidence of a big migration South at a point in time and there is history of hunters moving up and down following game across the now given colonial boarders. People who had cattle and fields to plant and had been doing so for hundreds of years only moved for grazing purposes or because of wars and major wars happened during colonial times.
Proud of Malema, sad how the media only shows him when his only screaming n shouting..
He does .his a total communist
Wow, what a debate. Can we engage in these discussions very often please. They will slowly but surely bring true reconcilation in SA.
Mr Julius Malema would like to meet you and discuss a business opportunity for everyone. We need to stand together and everyone will be a winner
I very much agree,the president of the board was sarcastic in her introduction to Mr Malema and she did not shy away to narrow his economical knowledge. Anyways Malema rocked them rumbled!!!
YEH YEH YEH.
Ayi AYI AYI JULIUS...SO TRUE
Why
Also, more importantly, just because you are chairman of the board, does not mean you should get up and speak. Dismal!
Powerful articulation of facts, well said Malema!
Mr Malema it was not a disaster taking our land in Zimbabwe. The British government renegade on the Lancaster House agreement where the were supposed to pay for the land to be redistributed to landless blacks. We are happy today in Zimbabwe for having taken this decision to take back our land. We have both young and old Zimbabweans who this season have produced tonnages of grain never achieved before i.e pre-indepedemts and after independence.
The lady who introduced them should not have been charged with such responsibilities. She was so disrespectful to Julius and respectful to Clem. Good of Julius to not have overreacted. The forum was informative.
I respect Malema. Am ready for change!
+Erick Robson hahahah change ? you think hes actually bringing change
I guess you fell for the same socialist garbage that every other dem pukes up these dahs
Whats the alternative? who's better positioned to bring changes?
me
Ok
malema addresses our problems very well, never liosten to those who do not understand the problem because they are well off than all of us.
Thanks brother Malema for telling the truth and also teaching our colonizers way of working through fairness. Greed has to be put aside and share everthing accordingly if accepted to own the land. Strange enough blacks had to reconcile by accepting atrocities done to them, but the enemy (colonizers) are stll persuing hatred and enslaving those who forgave them. This is quite ridiculous!!!
The truth is you believe in the current policy of Socialism that was proven a huge failure multiple times , causing massive poverty and hunger and gross inequality with a few at the top feasting on the spoils . How is it possible that in 27 years your leaders could not improve the living standard of the masses ? Look at the increasing number of informal settlements, massive unemployment , a declining value of the Rand, dropping standards of education, law and order, infrastructure ?
Malema is owned and controlled by the Hirsch family who hate white christians more than he does and who laugh at Malema behind his back.
We need to stop forgiving them, I’m a black American, and I’m well past forgiveness… The faster our brothers and sisters on the continent catch up us on this side of the pond, better we’ll all be.
This is a good engagement and I am sure if South Africa continues talking among themselves without subduing any section of society, their future is bright. I Incourage other nation to do the same
This was not a debate, this was the Julius Malema Show and the other guy was his side kick.
Mr J Malema loads of respect for you. And the care you show for your country, and it’s people the most important assets” our land was stolen and we want it back without any apology “ I have so much respect for Mr J Malema
What? The guy is confused, calling for no borders in the African continent. SAfricans are struggling already with illegal immigrants and he's encouraging them to find creative ways of entering the country and you know what? The poorest of the poor will suffer due to overburdened health care system and other state resources, easy for ppl like Julius to fly to developed countries and seek medical attention for example. Malema just enjoy chaos and interjecting.
@@yoliswababa313 Hi Yoliswa, you mean SA Citizens are suffering because of general works jobs competition by foreign nationals, you got to be not serious. Here we talking economic drivers not money to buy a grocery pack and it's finished. This notion of economic opportunities stolen by foreign nationals is very shallow. In fact no job would be lost if SA government made sure that jobs are permanent through regulatory framework for private sector. In fact most jobs that have been taken by foreign nationals are where SA citizens drink at work and poorly perform, where private sector take advantage of foreign nationals accepting low wages and all those are temporary jobs by the way. Regulatory framework can take care of this very easily. SA has unions that protect workers at the expense of efficiency and profits. Therefore companies opt for temporary jobs where workers don't have rights.
Let's talk land ownership for manufacturing, agriculture for generating income and not being employed. Currently the beneficiaries of solar and wind power generation is farmers who own vast land in strategic positions.
Mr Malema I appreciate your patience for responding to questions when they should be giving you answers
EXCELLENT!!! We the remaining Africans such as Nigerians, Ghanaians, and others have to be invited to this important debate.
Remember Nigeria and Nigerians are in trouble for the uncontrolled debt that has no bases and no one is benefiting except the corrupt officers and politicians.
So true and well said and it's about time 👏👏
It is wise to follow the trends set in place by Mr Malema.
Malema's speeches hit the spot
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Best debate to date! Amandla Fighter! ✊🏾
This guy he's so brilliant
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Revolution must work unit,s success
This was very mind opening! I admit I made a mistake of disagreeing with J Malema with no proper understanding of his view! and for that I apologize
@David Miles Your brain is empty, who knows you?
@David Miles lol
It's not only Malema, how about Sunter, and how about some whites in the audience who are willing to discuss, and work with blacks? Nigeria is the opposite. Restructure, NO! share power, NO! Corruption everywhere, killing everywhere. How long will that last?
@@charlesacha7783 unfortunately it will last for as long as the spoiled apples are not thrown out of the bunch... either relentless protesting tot the government calling for a restructuring, or wait for the next generation of leaders and hope they are not as corrupt.
@David Miles clone you are..we are GODs so we don't wait for a white man with a white bear to come speak to us..hope he is not the one asking you to be homosexual
JULIUS MALEMA TO THE WORLD
Eish the Khoisan sister ....l am ashamed of her🤣😂🤣😪
Ashamed of the original owners of the land...
@@piethermanus8777 No, ashamed that she has been stripped bare her dignity she doesn't even know the colour of her skin.
😂 he shut him down , with the truth ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
One thing I like about this man his competence, ability, and confidence. He's a True Leader.
He is not a leader for freedom and individualism....He is a leader for a system that is anti human and responsible for more mass murder throughout history. It baffles me how people like yourself can think it will be any different for you. You will be eating rats while marching to labor camps when you find what I and millions of others say is true.
Twisting History to justice his game. He needs to go.
Hitler, Stalin and Mao had the same attributes so what’s your point Samuel?
I agree. I love Clem Sunter.
@David Miles the only bot here is you mayonaise. Responding OVER and OVER when people think you're an absolute idiot. ITS NOT YOUR LAND. STOLEN FROM AFRICANS. Jesus christ you dirty entitled pig.
Both great speakers and intellectuals. I gained a lot of insight from their submissions. However, I am convicted to agree with Mr. Malema.
same here
@@ntomip Molo Kwezi.
Goodnight.
Some great points raised and encouraging to see Mr Malema in dialogue rather than conflict. Something worth remembering - a nation/people can have land, resources, control, but if they don't do the work and develop the skills to use it all well, it will be lost. May we be a united nation more committed to building and contributing to our nation and its future than one just taking what it has to offer without consideration for its people or future.
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South Africa need this
we need to stand together Government has land
U love Malema so much u comment in all of his speeches.
On who's soil must you stood together???
Malema spoke his mind and as long as there is no equality in a country there will never be unity .Goodone
I believe there is or should I say was unity. Certain political parties are responsible for division amongst the different nationalities. Corruption is blatant and this will be the downfall of South Africa. It will become another Zimbabwe.
@@vibrations69 The "White Supremacy" BS has become a childish tripe. You excuse the corruption and coddle Politicians whom are seeking to become would-be Dictators whom are excused because they're black. Malema himself is a would-be Kim Jong Un.
Strong up King JULIUS MALEMA, I saw this wonderful debate and almost turn my back on it because it was such a long time ago, King I did not know that you was spitting this magnitude of fire that long, King you was on point a billion percent, Even those few people that i taught was Black until they open up their mouths, then i realize that they're white, King, you did not drop a single catch, You catch them all perfectly and dispenses them perfectly, Stay strong up King, Your debating opposition was more Blacker than those seems to be Black that poses their questions to you are, Stay strong up King, We're getting there
I LOVE Julius Malema, he is the Malcom X of Africa
The introduction of both men was interesting depicting Malema as negative and Sunter as bringing vision. It is not only land that is problematic but language as well. But Malema didn't take that lying down. Nonetheless these two agree on most things in principle. They differ on approach.
Clement Sunter is a highly respected global analyst known the world over, and Malema is a politician…
I thought I was the only one who noticed ...
Malema raises very good points when you pay attention to his train of thought. I've never understood his justification for wanting to nationalise everything until now. To dismiss him is to be ignorant.
The problem that he won't take into consideration however, is that human nature itself, regardless of race, is corrupt when placed in a position of power and wealth. And the powerful and wealthy will always be the politicians and bankers.
If you look at what the State of South Africa has done to the enterprises that they do own, you will notice that Eskom has not provided wealth for the people. It has syphoned wealth from the people. Same with Telkom, SAA, and all other state owned enterprises. They don't generate wealth. They will always be a drain on the economy. They take the annual wealth of taxes meant for public infrastructure and the enrichment of South Africans, and they are spent on keeping these enterprises afloat instead.
This will always be the case no matter which government runs these large companies, and the reason for this is because when a company is backed by the State, there is no "do or die" urgency behind running that enterprise. If it fails to make a profit and crashes, the government will bail it out with our taxes, and therefore it can crash over and over again without consequence. This creates a portal for those corrupt individuals in power to exploit the wealth of that company for their own personal gain, with no accountibility because, you know, the consequence will be another government bail out.
Consider that over R700 billion that we know of has been lost to corruption since 1994 through the misappropriation of funds, theft, bad spending, etc, it is a clear indication that while the private sector has no choice but to strive towards making a profit or die, the government will never suffer the consequence of bad business dealings even when it runs businesses into the ground.
That is why nationalising private enterprises will never work. The theory makes sense in a perfect world, but so does Communism, Socialism, and Democracy. Once you add the human element to the equation, the plan falls apart, and the majority of people suffer the consequences.
The country is in the hands of corrupt individuals period
+Gordan Vernon Did you see what happened to the mine that the 2 grandsons took over...it closed and everyone lost their jobs. Now do that nationalization to the entire economy and you get the same disaster....its called corruption at the highest levels.
Gordan Vernon I totally agree with you. You seem to be more knowledgeable and awake than alot of the folks in this comment section. Power corrupts. Our country is ran by multinational companies and politicians are just corrupt puppets. Malema won't be an exception. Thinking otherwise is naive...
Deep Secret, I believe in your view those 2 grandsons represent the rest of the indigeneous population?
Afroswagg Lifestyle I never said that, my point was about nationalization. No where in the world has communism actually worked since it's a flawed system due to greedy leaders. Argue it how you want, not China or Russia was there ever successful implementation of communism. If SA are blind, they will try the same and then blame others.
Malema is a real African leader we Need. He is Not Extremist, but, he is articulated African in Justice.
The truth can never be a lie 👊🏿