Why do all shapes lie in the Polyhedron Plane?

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  • @CivilWarWeekByWeek
    @CivilWarWeekByWeek Před 3 měsíci +1492

    I have a correction at this point Ben Sparks isn't kindly making geogebra programs he is clearly in your basement forced to code against his will

    • @SparksMaths
      @SparksMaths Před 3 měsíci +848

      Help me...

    • @CivilWarWeekByWeek
      @CivilWarWeekByWeek Před 3 měsíci +255

      @@SparksMaths I would but I do need a Geogebra file to help me in Matrix Algebra so I think I'll just make a deal with Matt to get it

    • @standupmaths
      @standupmaths  Před 3 měsíci +834

      How did you get on the wifi?

    • @hexisplus9104
      @hexisplus9104 Před 3 měsíci +34

      ​@@standupmathsplease do this for higher dimensions. This explains so much. The projection from 3d to 2D explains the 4D to 3D projections I have seen and was beautiful.

    • @SamuQu
      @SamuQu Před 3 měsíci +5

      at 13:37 shouldn't it be ax+by=c so you can get every line that crosses the origin?

  • @prdoyle
    @prdoyle Před 3 měsíci +170

    I love that this video includes Grant being extra Grant and Henry being extra Henry.

  • @johnchessant3012
    @johnchessant3012 Před 3 měsíci +164

    16:42 just to spell out what Grant is saying here, if you calculate V - E + F for a polyhedron that has a hole in it (e.g. if you approximated the surface of a torus with plane faces), then you won't get 2. Instead, you'll get 2 - 2g, where g is the number of holes. So this is a way to formalize the notion of "holes" (since you can just count them via vertices, edges, faces) and prove that the number of holes is invariant with respect to continuous deformations.

  • @internetuser8922
    @internetuser8922 Před 3 měsíci +549

    The United States education system uses "y = mx + b" for the equation of lines.
    Also, big fan of the "technically correct if you're a topologist" entries.

    • @carolinecowley427
      @carolinecowley427 Před 3 měsíci +10

      that must get confusing when they get to quadratics
      do they do quadratics in the US?

    • @iout
      @iout Před 3 měsíci +79

      @@carolinecowley427
      We do, and it's really not that confusing at all. Variables get reused all over the place, it's not any weirder here than when it happens elsewhere. We just don't think about it.

    • @SiberCatLP
      @SiberCatLP Před 3 měsíci +19

      @@carolinecowley427 The distinction I was taught was that "b" was the y-intercept, while "B" was the coefficient of the term with exponent 1. Since they were different looking, "They're different Bs, so they're different values" was easy to accept.

    • @sphaera2520
      @sphaera2520 Před 3 měsíci +43

      @@carolinecowley427it’s no more confusing than when c shows up in a new equation.

    • @mina86
      @mina86 Před 3 měsíci +12

      @@sphaera2520, with a, b and c there’s clear pattern. Meanwhile, if you’re using m and b for linea, what’s the clear pattern for going to higher order polynomials?

  • @madspacepig
    @madspacepig Před 3 měsíci +494

    6:30 Funny that you demonstrated a simulation of the polyhedra being projected onto a plane, when in fact, due to the nature of them being rendered on a computer, and displayed on a flat screen, they were already being projected onto a plane, just by us looking at them.

    • @T3sl4
      @T3sl4 Před 3 měsíci +43

      Projectiception!

    • @n0tthemessiah
      @n0tthemessiah Před 3 měsíci +3

      Got'em!

    • @ballparkjebusite
      @ballparkjebusite Před 3 měsíci +5

      How high were you?

    • @gONSOTE
      @gONSOTE Před 3 měsíci +11

      yeah but, ironically, by the nature of those 2 different types of projections, the projection of the screen couldn’t be used for making a planar graph

    • @iwikal
      @iwikal Před 3 měsíci +1

      @@gONSOTE Are you sure? They seem quite similar to me. How are they different?

  • @coltonchinn2615
    @coltonchinn2615 Před 3 měsíci +171

    7:13 TIL that “way way way more faces” is equivalent to “two more faces”

    • @douglaswolfen7820
      @douglaswolfen7820 Před 3 měsíci +3

      I noticed that too

    • @adalson9200
      @adalson9200 Před 3 měsíci +5

      +2

    • @jh-ec7si
      @jh-ec7si Před 3 měsíci +9

      It is if you're a cube

    • @jamespalmer9033
      @jamespalmer9033 Před 3 měsíci +4

      Ask any good programmer and they'll tell you there's no such thing as two - the only numbers are zero, one and infinity.
      Two is just a special case of infinity. 😁

    • @dembro27
      @dembro27 Před 3 měsíci +1

      Indeed, it seems that "way" has a value of 0.666666 (repeating, of course).

  • @John73John
    @John73John Před 3 měsíci +336

    1:40 I mean.. 3 Blue 1 Brown was just sitting right there...

    • @k0pstl939
      @k0pstl939 Před 3 měsíci +91

      That was why. Grant Sanderson was in the chat of that livestream. 7:30

    • @raptor4916
      @raptor4916 Před 3 měsíci +37

      Its a real Parker Name...

    • @zyxwvut4740
      @zyxwvut4740 Před 3 měsíci +9

      7:25 ?

    • @iout
      @iout Před 3 měsíci +56

      I've not seen the livestream, but I'm pretty sure that's why they did it that way. And I can say with a relatively high certainty that the conversation went like this:
      "Make a tetrahedron with 3 blue and 1 brown face!"
      "That's a great idea. But wait, we don't have any brown tiles. We'll use gold, it's close enough."
      *makes the tetrahedron*
      "Here we have it. 3 Blue, 1 Gold"

    • @plackt
      @plackt Před 3 měsíci +13

      So… it’s a Parker reference.

  • @nathanielpranger7370
    @nathanielpranger7370 Před 3 měsíci +137

    From my experience in the Netherlands we use "y = ax + b". Nice and clear that we use the first two available letters for unknown parameters, so I thought everyone did. Then I saw you use "m" and I just felt sorry for 14-year-olds learning Newton for the first time.

    • @biscuit715
      @biscuit715 Před 3 měsíci +8

      I learnt both in the UK, (m,c, and a,b). I don't actually remember when but ax+b turned up later, possibly at uni, and I wouldn't go for it naturally. I do prefer it though.

    • @charlesclaudel3958
      @charlesclaudel3958 Před 3 měsíci +12

      In france we also use ax+b and for polynomials you just add new letters in alphabetic order e.g ax²+bx+c or ax³+bx²+cx+d. I logical and it old itself up when integrating and derivating.

    • @januszkobayashi1361
      @januszkobayashi1361 Před 3 měsíci +9

      In Poland it's the same

    • @Tvillingklippan
      @Tvillingklippan Před 3 měsíci +3

      I think kx+m is standard notation in Sweden

    • @gekylafas
      @gekylafas Před 3 měsíci +4

      y = αx + β in Greece

  • @japanada11
    @japanada11 Před 3 měsíci +104

    Why you get lines and not just planes:
    For any polyhedron with only triangular faces, you have the additional relation 3F=2E (each face touches three edges, and each edge touches two faces). The intersection of V-E+F=2 and 3F=2E gives a line that contains all polyhedra with triangular faces.
    It just so happened that the only polyhedra Matt used in his visualization were triangle-faced polyhedra and their duals (which satisfy 3V=2E, giving the other line). There are lots of polyhedra that don't lie on either line that just didn't get drawn - but the triangle-faced ones and their duals are definitely quite common! (In particular, every platonic solid or its dual is triangle-faced)

    • @walterkipferl6729
      @walterkipferl6729 Před 3 měsíci +16

      And, just to make one final point clear: The reason that the Triangular-faced objects satisfy 3V=2E while their duals satisfy 3F=2E is that the switch between duals swaps the number of vertecies and number of faces.
      This also explains why the tetrahedron and square pyramid (any pyramid really) is on the line of symmetry between the groups: That line is F=V, since mirroring at that line is how you swap number of faces and number of vertices. A pyramid is always on that line since pyramids are self-dual! So they must have identical face-count and vertex-count!
      This brings up the question: are there other self-dual polyhedra? I don't know and I really shouldn't get into the Geometry Wikipedia rabbithole at 3 in the morning.

    • @mathcookie8224
      @mathcookie8224 Před 3 měsíci +3

      OK, so the two diverging lines are because of triangle shenanigans, but what about the center line? Are all duals, even non-triangular ones, at reflections of each other across that center line? And if there is a universal center line, what IS the center line? I would think it’s V=F, since duals swap faces and vertices; is that correct?

    • @japanada11
      @japanada11 Před 3 měsíci +4

      @@mathcookie8224 That's exactly right: the center line is the V=F line, and every dual is given by reflection across that line because dual corresponds to swapping the V and F coordinates.

    • @japanada11
      @japanada11 Před 3 měsíci +1

      @@walterkipferl6729 Good clarification! Also worth noting that the number of vertices on each face turns into the number of faces touching each vertex in the dual. So while one line contains all the "every face is a triangle" polyhedra (tetrahedron, octahedron, icosahedron, etc), its reflection contains all the "exactly three faces meet at each vertex" polyhedra (tetrahedron, cube, dodecahedron, etc).
      And yes, there are many other self-dual polyhedra that can be easily found in the geometry wikipedia rabbithole.

    • @japanada11
      @japanada11 Před 3 měsíci +4

      Also, there are polyhedra that satisfy V=F but are NOT self-dual. For example, you can start with a cube and draw two new edges coming out of one of the vertices. The result has 8 faces (4 squares and 4 triangles), 14 edges, and 8 vertices. The dual has 8 faces (5 triangles, two quadrilaterals, and a pentagon), 14 edges, and 8 vertices. These are clearly not the same, so you get two distinct polyhedra occupying the same point (8,14,8) on the V=F line.

  • @reddcube
    @reddcube Před 3 měsíci +11

    The dual line is easy to explain. One shape and its dual are reflections of each other along the line. That is because when making a dual shape, each Vertex becomes a Face, each Face becomes a Vertex, and each Edges just changes orientation. So reflections of the line is just swapping the V and F.

  • @zahirgizzi7009
    @zahirgizzi7009 Před 3 měsíci +67

    about 12:58:
    I studied in Germany (Leipzig to be precise) and we learned is as y = mx+n 😆

    • @henryrroland
      @henryrroland Před 3 měsíci +1

      Thought that it was y=b•x +a

    • @apfel1appelmann
      @apfel1appelmann Před 3 měsíci +17

      In Bavaria we used y = mx + t

    • @zahirgizzi7009
      @zahirgizzi7009 Před 3 měsíci +9

      LOL In germany schoolsystem is a mess. It is "länder"-specific, so in saxony you have other standards than in bavaria for example 😂
      One other big thing i think are the axes. I heard in some regions at school they label the axes x1, x2 and x3. We always labeled them x, y and z (probably mathematicly x1,x2,x3 makes more sense but maybe it's easier to get confused too idk ‾\°°/‾)

    • @apfel1appelmann
      @apfel1appelmann Před 3 měsíci +4

      @@zahirgizzi7009 in high school we used the x and y axis for 2D and x1, x2, and x3 for 3D. In university we used x, y, and z.

    • @omgitguy
      @omgitguy Před 3 měsíci +3

      Interesting. I learned it as y = ax + b. We then extended to y = ax² + bx + c. After that we started using indexes: y = aₙxⁿ + ...

  • @HunterJE
    @HunterJE Před 3 měsíci +41

    I feel like the easiest shortcut to understanding the "why" of the symmetry of duals is that a dual is very much by definition what you get if you swap the things being counted by two of our three variables for one another (while keeping the thing counted by the third constant...)

  • @GeekRedux
    @GeekRedux Před 3 měsíci +17

    Given how prevalent TI-80-something graphing calculators are in the US, I'm surprised we haven't seen a shift from
    y = mx + b to y = ax + b, since that's how those calculators have always presented it.

  • @JohnDoe-ti2np
    @JohnDoe-ti2np Před 3 měsíci +23

    In his memoir, mathematician Goro Shimura says that he once set an exam question for a student who was trying to transfer from another university, which went something like this: Find the equation of the line in the plane that passes through the points (1,5) and (1,2). He wanted to see if the student would blindly use the formula y = mx + c. The student fell into the trap and then complained about being tricked.

    • @garr_inc
      @garr_inc Před 3 měsíci

      m+c results in being both 2 and 5, which is impossible for the equation. But if you think about it a little, or even plot them, you see the obvious solution with m=oo.

    • @jameshart2622
      @jameshart2622 Před 3 měsíci +3

      @@garr_inc Or you use the generalized formula for a line ax+by+c=0. Yes, the constants are equivalent up to a non-zero scalar multiplier, but it's symmetric in the variables and can represent any line without infinities. It can also represent lines at infinity, which is nifty. See projective geometry.

    • @garr_inc
      @garr_inc Před 3 měsíci

      @@jameshart2622 I was more describing why the mindless mx+c fails than claiming how to solve the "unusual" problem. But thanks for the input!

    • @Muhahahahaz
      @Muhahahahaz Před 3 měsíci +3

      Ah, yes… x = 1
      This is exactly why I complained when Matt said that y = mx + c could represent “any” line 😅

    • @Voshchronos
      @Voshchronos Před 23 dny

      Quite clever!

  • @sachacendra3187
    @sachacendra3187 Před 3 měsíci +6

    Here in Switzerland we used a multiplicity of letters for the line: ax+by+c=0 or y=ax+b or y=px+q or y=mx+h or y=px+h were all things i encountered in my education. I believe the goal was to teach us that the letters didn't really matter. Also, since Swiss education is very decentralised and each teacher can more or less choose the material they want to use i wouldn't be surprised if elsewhere in Switzerland they would use completely different letters.

  • @The_Knife_Pie
    @The_Knife_Pie Před 3 měsíci +19

    Sweden uses y =kx + m, though I think that’s just because k-value (Swedish: K-värde) sounds better in Swedish than a lot of alternatives I’ve seen here

    • @magnuswibeck1279
      @magnuswibeck1279 Před 3 měsíci +4

      k for koefficient (coefficient in Swedish). But I never got m.

    • @Anonymous-ow6jz
      @Anonymous-ow6jz Před 3 měsíci +2

      @@magnuswibeck1279 in the US, we use m because it stands for mlope :)

    • @erkinalp
      @erkinalp Před 3 měsíci

      ​@@Anonymous-ow6jz magnitude

    • @pyramear5414
      @pyramear5414 Před 3 měsíci +1

      I always thought it was y = mx + c, where m is short for "multiplier" and c is short for "constant".

    • @mumiemonstret
      @mumiemonstret Před měsícem

      @@pyramear5414 "Constant" is spelled "konstant" in Swedish so here it really should be "y = kx + k". Guess it would be a bit crippling for our mathematicians...

  • @georgebayliss3291
    @georgebayliss3291 Před 3 měsíci +3

    England (UK), GCSE: y = mx+c
    A-level: Very rarely told to give in the y = mx +c format, most commonly we leave in the format y-y1 = m(x-x1) or ax+by+c

  • @Qermaq
    @Qermaq Před 3 měsíci +2

    Making a tetrahedron with 3 blue faces and 1 brown face is brilliant, I'll grant you that.

  • @Tasarran
    @Tasarran Před 3 měsíci +25

    I work in 3D and programming, and I still go back and forth between 'vertices' and 'vertexes' all the time...

    • @mytube001
      @mytube001 Před 3 měsíci +9

      As long as you don't say "verticee" for the singular, as unfortunately some do...

    • @WindsorMason
      @WindsorMason Před 3 měsíci

      ​@@mytube001 vertisay

    • @Tasarran
      @Tasarran Před 3 měsíci +5

      @@mytube001 That's silly, everyone knows it is 'vertiss'

    • @chrishillery
      @chrishillery Před 3 měsíci +4

      ​@mytube001 A friend of mine in Linear Algebra class persistently used the term "matricee" as the singular of "matrices".

  • @AbiGail-ok7fc
    @AbiGail-ok7fc Před 3 měsíci +3

    I would have been tempted to submit my favourite shape: 7 triangles making up a torus, but that would have been disqualified as it has Euler characteristic 0. (7 vertices, 14 edges, 7 faces), and hence, not on the plane. I remember tinkering with an early version of Mathematica for hours to get an R^3 embedable 7-triangle torus.
    But as an ex-topologist, I do agree with the "off the scale" submissions. Two sides faces, vertices with just two edges, or multiple edges between pairs of vertices, nothing wrong with that.
    As for the proof of the Euler characteristic being a constant (for planar graphs), instead of starting with a spanning tree, you can start with just a single vertex (V = 1, E = 0, F = 1), then add edges one by one, in such a way the graph remains connected. Each edge either adds a new vertex (in which case, V := V + 1, E := E + 1), or connects two existing vertices, adding a face (in which case E: = E + 1, F := F + 1). In either case, V - E + F remains constant.

  • @zoerycroft4300
    @zoerycroft4300 Před 3 měsíci +1

    im so proud of myself, i knew nothing about this before the video, never even thought about arranging any polyhedra or anything, and when you were saying "well,, what different ways can we arrange them" i said... "i bet the euler characteristic is what makes it a plane"

    • @jimsilsby3841
      @jimsilsby3841 Před 2 měsíci

      Same. The instant he mentioned vertices, edges and faces, I immediately thought, "It's going to be Euler, isn't it?" Thanks, Numberphile!

  • @Like4Schnitzel
    @Like4Schnitzel Před 3 měsíci +4

    In Austria (not Australia) we typically use f(x) = kx+d for linear functions. I assumed this was the same in Germany but as other comments have shown me it isn't! Very interesting

  • @crowman8905
    @crowman8905 Před 3 měsíci +12

    Very interesting way of interpreting and visualising Euler's polyhedron Formula

  • @Tranbarsjuice
    @Tranbarsjuice Před 3 měsíci +2

    In Sweden, where I studied, the linear equation was introduced as y=kx+m. As far as I know it is still taught that way.

  • @walderlopes3372
    @walderlopes3372 Před 3 měsíci +25

    It's been a while but I think I learned as y = ax + b here in Brazil back in the 80's.

  • @nosarcasm1
    @nosarcasm1 Před 3 měsíci +2

    In Germany we have Different Letters vor y=mx+b ==>(m,b). So we also use (m,n),(a,b),(p,q),(m,k).
    In A-levels it's common using m for the pitch. It depends on the teacher and also the schoolbooks they use.

  • @collin4555
    @collin4555 Před 3 měsíci +5

    The emergence of those lines is a great example of mathematical beauty.
    But I do love those quirky 3D printed shapes, too.

  • @TrimutiusToo
    @TrimutiusToo Před 3 měsíci +12

    I studied in Russia, and there they used:
    y = ax + b
    or sometimes
    y = kx + a

    • @gmr7901
      @gmr7901 Před 3 měsíci

      я всегда встречал только
      y = kx + b

    • @omp199
      @omp199 Před 3 měsíci +3

      Do Russian people use Latin letters for variables, then?

    • @gmr7901
      @gmr7901 Před 3 měsíci +3

      @@omp199 yes, of course :D
      but all the math terminology basically translated into Russian, like "многочлен" instead of "polynomial"

    • @TrimutiusToo
      @TrimutiusToo Před 3 měsíci +1

      @@omp199 yeah latin and greek like everyone else

  • @KerryHallPhD
    @KerryHallPhD Před 3 měsíci

    I love the pivot at 12:56 from dismissive frustration to a positive query :D Excellent video all around!

  • @Gunstick
    @Gunstick Před 3 měsíci +1

    Spanning tree is a term well known by network engineers. There is a "spanning tree protocol" which ensures your network does not have any loops, independent on how you interconnect everything. The network switches just "figure it out" (if you have loops in your network, everything just breaks down (you can have something called "broadcast storm")

  • @koinkorillas1692
    @koinkorillas1692 Před 3 měsíci

    Thank you for the legible and useful video description

  • @LeoStaley
    @LeoStaley Před 3 měsíci +28

    13:00 America uses y=mx+b, but of course you knew that, which is why you brought it up

    • @marksman1416
      @marksman1416 Před 3 měsíci +1

      Also in Canada

    • @Rhynome
      @Rhynome Před 3 měsíci +8

      c for constant
      b for bintercept

    • @gcewing
      @gcewing Před 3 měsíci +3

      b for where it bonks into the y axis.

  • @greenkiwi7941
    @greenkiwi7941 Před 3 měsíci +1

    13:00 In Hungary, in 5-6th grade, we learn it like "y=ax+b" but later, in high school (9th grade and up) we use "y=mx+c". We often use 'm' as slope, and 'c' as a constant, for moving the graph up and down.

  • @ZetaTwo
    @ZetaTwo Před 3 měsíci +1

    Sweden: in elementary school it was definitely y=kx+m but then in later parts of high school and at university I think ax+b was pretty common to be consistent with polynomials of arbitrary degree (ax^2+bx+c, etc)

  • @philipmurphy2
    @philipmurphy2 Před 3 měsíci +2

    Always appreciate a good education CZcams channel

  • @MrKalerender
    @MrKalerender Před 3 měsíci +5

    y = mx + c for Australia, however I use y = zx + c for my physics classes as m is for mass, and we do a lot of topics where you are trying to solve for mass from a gradient of an experiment and students writing m = f(m) is problematic. Z doesn't get used (no 3d vectors at high school) in any equations in our formula book so that's our side step!

    • @mop9542
      @mop9542 Před 3 měsíci +1

      Agreed, 2000s high school planar mathematics was y=mx+c. When I got to unii the tutors always used to write z=ax+b. Their reasoning was that m is for mass, c is the speed of light and z is the vertical plane. I still use it z=ax+b now because I've ended up a place where I'm doing calcs with masses and vector-forces and need variables that represent what is actually being input/output.

  • @moimoi73000
    @moimoi73000 Před 3 měsíci +5

    13:03 hey! I'm French and I learned with y=ax+b. Also, very interesting video thanks matt

  • @Yhnertful
    @Yhnertful Před 3 měsíci +12

    about 30 years ago Faroe Islands used "y=ax+b", both in Faroese language books and Danish language books.

    • @RagingRats
      @RagingRats Před 3 měsíci +1

      Even though I always use y=mx+b, using ‘a’ instead of ‘m’ makes a lot more sense

  • @henryrroland
    @henryrroland Před 3 měsíci +10

    12:56 I was raised in Brazil, here we use
    y = a·x + b

    • @hendrikd2113
      @hendrikd2113 Před 3 měsíci

      This doesn't make sense. Once you go up to other polynomias the system breaks down. "b*x + a" seems logical.

    • @henryrroland
      @henryrroland Před 3 měsíci +1

      @@hendrikd2113
      It does... y = ax² +bx+c
      The order of the coefficients follows the alphabet

  • @mox3909
    @mox3909 Před 3 měsíci

    I just learned about spanning trees for the first time 2 weeks ago. I thought it was cool but couldn't understand how it would ever be useful. I'm amazed.

  • @Sinnistering
    @Sinnistering Před 3 měsíci +10

    USA (IN), formative education in the 2000s, we used y = mx + b

  • @michaelwoodhams7866
    @michaelwoodhams7866 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Here's a nice related result: For a polyhedron (e.g. a cube), at each edge we can define an angular deficit, being 360 degrees minus the angles of all the polygon vertices which meet there. E.g. for the cube, each vertex has three squares, each of which have 90 degree angles. So the deficit is 360 - 3 x 90 = 90. Now calculate this deficit for every vertex of the polygon, and add them up. In the case of the cube, there are eight identical vertices, so the total deficit is 90 x 8 = 720 degrees.
    Consider a regular triangular prism. Now each vertex has two squares and a triangle, so the vertex deficit is 360 - 2 x 90 - 60 = 120. There are six vertices, and 6 x 120 = 720.
    For any polyhedron which obeys Euler's polyhedron formula (i.e. no holes) and has plane faces, the answer is always 720 degrees. I leave the proof as an exercise for the student, but leave the hint to use Euler's polyhedron formula. It isn't difficult.
    I'm pretty sure, but haven't proved, that this extends to continuous surfaces: at every point there is a curvature. Integrate the curvature over the surface, and you'll get 4 pi (720 degrees in radians.) (Assuming your surface is embedded in Euclidian space and is topologically a sphere.)

  • @sergiorestrepo6657
    @sergiorestrepo6657 Před 3 měsíci

    Thank you Matt

  • @artificercreator
    @artificercreator Před 3 měsíci +1

    Oh nice! Thanks for the good stuff

  • @landsgevaer
    @landsgevaer Před 3 měsíci +1

    To limit the range of value such that bigger ones fit, you could hang them at (√v,√e,√f) and get a nice hyperboloid curved surface shape.

  • @dysphoricpeach
    @dysphoricpeach Před 3 měsíci +3

    good to know that i can always cut a sandwich made of polyhedra plotted by number of faces, edges, and vertices, no matter how many ingredients i add, perfectly in two!
    also interesting how matt went with the 3 blue 1 brown tetrahedron instead of the parker cube (a 3d solid with parker square faces)

  • @frankharr9466
    @frankharr9466 Před 3 měsíci

    Well, I'm glad you're having fun. Let us know if you're coming to the Boston area. That would be cool.

  • @davidjowett8195
    @davidjowett8195 Před 3 měsíci

    16:15 isn't it great to see someone so passionate and animate about a subject they care for? 😄

  • @Zeitoun-bs8cj
    @Zeitoun-bs8cj Před 3 měsíci +7

    In France it's y=ax+b

  • @dgthe3
    @dgthe3 Před 3 měsíci

    Canadian here (specifically Ontario, if it makes a difference)
    y=mx+b
    m means slope, because they said so. b means y intercept, because they said so. Super easy for children to intuit.

  • @mittarimato8994
    @mittarimato8994 Před 3 měsíci

    That line at 19:42 reminds me of the elemt table and their isotopes. The further you are away from the line, the more likely it is going to be an unstable isotope.

  • @JamesWanders
    @JamesWanders Před 3 měsíci +3

    Bad news, Matt. When you said we should go "marvel" at the display, the auto-caption wrote it as "Marvel" so your channel belongs to Disney now.

  • @octopus44445
    @octopus44445 Před 3 měsíci +7

    I heard "Glen and Friends" and thought this was about to be a very unexpected collab.

    • @belg4mit
      @belg4mit Před 3 měsíci +1

      Needs more maple syrup, eh?

    • @stephanep.joanisse7712
      @stephanep.joanisse7712 Před 3 měsíci

      Would you really be that surprised if you found out Glen did a bit of math(s) on the side? Cooking, flying planes, video/film making… just another hobby?

    • @octopus44445
      @octopus44445 Před 3 měsíci

      @@stephanep.joanisse7712 good point well made.

  • @zozzy4630
    @zozzy4630 Před 3 měsíci +5

    "Installation" is always a noun, even when it means "the act or process of installing something." Notice the parallelism with e.g. "dinner:" "The installation took three hours;" "Dinner took three hours." (We had clocks, eating which was time-consuming.)
    Interestingly, -ing words are often both: "driving" is a noun in "Driving is terrible in New York," and a verb in "I can't talk now, I'm driving!"

    • @trchri
      @trchri Před 3 měsíci +6

      When an -ing verb is used as a noun it’s called a gerund

    • @zozzy4630
      @zozzy4630 Před 3 měsíci +1

      @trchri Yup! They can often be adjectives too - loving, appalling, menacing.

    • @David_K_Booth
      @David_K_Booth Před 3 měsíci

      ​@@zozzy4630 Yes - the "driving" in "I can't talk now, I'm driving!" is a good example of a verbal adjective.

  • @OverkillSD
    @OverkillSD Před 3 měsíci +2

    Because all shapes are liars, Matt!
    Had a great time seeing you in LA, by the way! I reference that software engineer joke all the time now and it's glorious. I kind of wish I had that slideshow :)

  • @newwaveinfantry8362
    @newwaveinfantry8362 Před 3 měsíci +2

    My guess before watching the full video (around 4 minutes): All polyhedra, when squashed, are planar graphs, thus v - e + f = 2 applies and defines a plane.

  • @DrR0BERT
    @DrR0BERT Před 3 měsíci +2

    At 15:00 you said that ax+by+cz=d, that you only need three of the unknowns a, b, and c. This only applies to planes not passing through the origin.

  • @fabienrymland3191
    @fabienrymland3191 Před 3 měsíci

    Hello and thank you.
    In France, we use y = ax+b or y = mx+p (the first one mainly linked with the function f(x) = ax+b.

    • @fabienrymland3191
      @fabienrymland3191 Před 3 měsíci

      we tend to write function as : f(x) = ax^n + bx^n-1 ...

  • @adamrowedotcom
    @adamrowedotcom Před 3 měsíci

    16:00 my artwork is above your hand (but in the background) - made my day to see it make a cameo since it was inspired by watching another of your videos!

  • @BrentDeJong
    @BrentDeJong Před 3 měsíci +1

    Great video!
    at 10:29 the captions said "Spanish tree graph" instead of "spanning"
    12:22 "oiless" lol

  • @0xTJ
    @0xTJ Před 3 měsíci +18

    I'm Canadian, and it's `y=mx+b' or death!

    • @Jar.in.a.Bottle
      @Jar.in.a.Bottle Před 3 měsíci

      This must have been the reason why Saruman said about Gandalf, "So, you have chosen death".

  • @Sam_on_YouTube
    @Sam_on_YouTube Před 3 měsíci

    Hey, I was on that live stream!
    Good times, good times.

  • @DeGuerre
    @DeGuerre Před 3 měsíci

    The way I think about it is V + F = E + C + 1, where C is the number of components.
    A blank plane has V=0, F=1, E=0, C=0.
    Adding a vertex adds 1 to V and 1 to C, which keeps the equation true.
    Adding an edge either connects two components or connects two vertices in the same component. In the first case, it adds 1 to E, and subtracts 1 from C. In the second case, it adds 1 to E and 1 to F.
    Either way, any addition keeps the equation true.

  • @5hape5hift3r
    @5hape5hift3r Před 3 měsíci +1

    I think a variation of Euler v-e+f is to include the null face and the whole.
    Giving -1+v-e+f-1 = 0
    in 2d polytopes this works as well
    -1+v-e+1 for the pentagon is -1+5-5+1 = 0
    Also works with all dimensions.

    • @5hape5hift3r
      @5hape5hift3r Před 3 měsíci

      Technicly iprefer the negative of this but it works anyways,

  • @LouisEmery
    @LouisEmery Před 3 měsíci

    5:00 I remember there was such a rule that included an offset of 2 when I was young, probably discovered by greeks.

  • @Johan323232
    @Johan323232 Před 3 měsíci

    I’m glad my first instinct for the polytopal planar equation was correct.
    Also, I would like to register a technical addendum. y=mx+c cannot give you the equation of any line, x=6 for example cannot be realized this way, it only gives you all linear functions. I wouldn’t call it a correction, because the video definitely wouldn’t be improved by making the distinction, but it does explain why you have the d value in the plane equation, because d=1 and d=0 are fundamentally different cases as it turns out.

  • @AlexandHuman
    @AlexandHuman Před 3 měsíci

    This feels somehow connected to prime numbers. Especially at the end when the central splits off from the square base pyramid. It reminds me of how 2 and 3 branch off into being above and/or below a multiple of 6.

  • @alicederyn
    @alicederyn Před 3 měsíci +1

    "You can just divide through by that constant" UNLESS it's zero! ax + by + cz = 0 is a separate case from ax + by + cz = 1!

    • @martijn8554
      @martijn8554 Před 3 měsíci +1

      Glad I'm not the only one who noticed this!

  • @macronencer
    @macronencer Před 3 měsíci +1

    UK, 1970s, y = mx + c. Obviously c stands for "constant", but I honestly can't remember whether any justification was given for the use of "m", nor what it actually was. Conceptually, I think I would prefer y = a + bx because I like the idea that you start from a fixed point, and THEN add a variable thing. Others here have also pointed out that this generalises more naturally for polynomials (e.g. y = a + bx + cx^2)

  • @mrWade101
    @mrWade101 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Sweden uses
    "y = kx+m", where k stands for "koefficient" = coefficient.

  • @redvinstone
    @redvinstone Před 3 měsíci +1

    In Sweden we use y=kx+m for the line equation.

  • @mananself
    @mananself Před 3 měsíci +1

    Ha, I just saw myself and my son at 5:44, on the right side. How fortunate

  • @mkb6418
    @mkb6418 Před 3 měsíci

    I knew from the start it was Euler's formula. But I give credits for the visualization, now you never forget it.

  • @GavrielFleischer
    @GavrielFleischer Před 3 měsíci +8

    ax+b from Hungary

    • @KubaSzymanowski
      @KubaSzymanowski Před 3 měsíci +1

      Same in Poland. Lengyel, magyar két jó barát

  • @josephmarrow5598
    @josephmarrow5598 Před 3 měsíci

    I was at JMM, super cool to see this

  • @BoxEnjoyer
    @BoxEnjoyer Před 3 měsíci +3

    In the US we use mx+b, although you probably already knew that if you brought it up lol.

  • @garetr
    @garetr Před 3 měsíci

    12:42: I was educated in western Canada where we use y = mx + b.

  • @mihir2012
    @mihir2012 Před 3 měsíci +7

    This is going to have something to do with the Euler's formula relating vertices, edges and faces, isn't it?

    • @lazergurka-smerlin6561
      @lazergurka-smerlin6561 Před 3 měsíci +1

      That's exactly what I was thinking aswell

    • @quantumgaming9180
      @quantumgaming9180 Před 3 měsíci +1

      The equation of a plane is ax + by + cz + d = 0
      Euler's formula can be thought of as a plane equation( where a,c = 1 and b = -1 and d = -2) if x,y,z repressent the vertices, edges and faces of a polyhedron. Which is exactly what Matt shows in the video

  • @HunterJE
    @HunterJE Před 3 měsíci +3

    The dual of the beachball is a sort of puffed up pillow with two nonagonal faces with nine edges, trying to picture the dual of the over-verticed tetrahedron...

    • @alexpotts6520
      @alexpotts6520 Před 3 měsíci

      It would be an over-faced tetrahedron with the standard four vertices. Each triangular face would have multiple copies bulging above and below the plane of the three vertices it connects to.
      EDIT: turns out I wasn't quite right about this. Thank you Mr Goomba dude.

    • @galoomba5559
      @galoomba5559 Před 3 měsíci +2

      @@alexpotts6520 That's not true. There would actually be a bunch of thin 2-gonal faces between every pair of triangular faces.

    • @douglaswolfen7820
      @douglaswolfen7820 Před 3 měsíci

      I'm honestly confused about how you even define a face in this context. I'm used to assuming that a face is a flat polygon, and the 4 "faces" of that jagged tetrahedron aren't flat

  • @channelzoldleo6841
    @channelzoldleo6841 Před 3 měsíci

    In Hungary we use y=mx+b, where m stands for "meredekség"=steepness, and b stands for "idk, just learn it".

  • @illadiel6049
    @illadiel6049 Před 3 měsíci

    Matt knows how much we all enjoy pre-pre-orders

  • @osmanbadroodin3215
    @osmanbadroodin3215 Před 3 měsíci

    I want that fused megaminx puzzle in the background 😭😭 , it would be so cool in my collection , I should try to make one

  • @jameshart2622
    @jameshart2622 Před 3 měsíci

    My math classes always used y=ax+b for lines, but I prefer ax+by+c=0 because that naturally includes all lines, including vertical ones.

  • @OneTrueBadShoe
    @OneTrueBadShoe Před 3 měsíci

    I would love to see Ben make a geogebra model with unfolded polyhedron and polychoron nets.

  • @Justifer14
    @Justifer14 Před 3 měsíci +1

    In Sweden se use y=kx+m, seems strange now that I found out that lots of other use m as the derivative… Although, we spell “constant” with a k, so that might be a reason for our choice…

  • @skyscraperfan
    @skyscraperfan Před 3 měsíci

    The fact there always is a circle free path through all vertices was new to me. It does not seem obvious, but can probably also be solved be induction.

  • @madsohm
    @madsohm Před 3 měsíci

    Denmark does a bit of a mix, which I expect all countries do. We do "y = ax + b" (and for quadratics: y = ax² + bx + c) in primary school, but as you enter university, most tend to move to "y = mx + c"

    • @Taversham
      @Taversham Před 3 měsíci

      Huh, that's the exact opposite of how I was taught in the UK, we had y=mx+c up until Year 13 (age 17-18), then it switched to y=ax+b at university. Wasn't until I read the comments on this video that I realised people use so many other options!

  • @Vim-Wolf
    @Vim-Wolf Před 3 měsíci

    13:56 Matt will control the horizontal. Matt will control the vertical. You are about to experience the awe and mystery which reaches from the inner mind to... The Outer Mathematics.

  • @chaos.corner
    @chaos.corner Před 3 měsíci +1

    I've seen a lot of comments about how the line is defined in the US but a lot of people don't realize that it was recently changed to be 'y=mx+you know the thing'

  • @cftug
    @cftug Před 3 měsíci

    Me, seeing the thumbnail: This is gonna be about Euler's formula, isn't it?
    Matt, at 4:10 : Vertices, edges, and faces.
    Me: Called it!

  • @simonzprahy9270
    @simonzprahy9270 Před 3 měsíci

    Here in the czech republic we were always taught that the coefficients of any order polynomial go alphabetically starting from the highest order term, eg: ax^3 + bx^2 + cx + d or ax^2 + bx + c or ax + b

  • @shaunsaggers
    @shaunsaggers Před 3 měsíci

    So good

  • @amative1
    @amative1 Před 3 měsíci +9

    USA tends to use y=mx+b, as "b" is the y-axis adjustment parameter (to go with "a" adjusting the x-axis and "c" adjusting the z-axis)

    • @mehill00
      @mehill00 Před 3 měsíci +1

      Oh is that why we use “b” for y intercept? Is this speculation or known?

    • @GeekRedux
      @GeekRedux Před 3 měsíci +2

      @@mehill00 It's not an explanation I've ever heard before.

    • @patrickherke8947
      @patrickherke8947 Před 3 měsíci +2

      ​​@@mehill00 I haven't heard that explanation before, but ax+by+cz=d is a common equation for a plane. And x=x0+ta, y=y0+tb, z=z0+tc is a common parametric representation of a line in 3D space. It's not exactly a 1-to-1 comparison (multiplication instead of addition) but I could see where someone could have associated b with y-intercept and then decided to use a different variable for the slope.

    • @kindlin
      @kindlin Před 3 měsíci

      @@mehill00 He means the more general equation y = m(x - a) + b, which does make the b make a little more since. As he points out, a controls the x axis and b controls the y axis.
      edit: Never seen a c for the "z axis" but if you wanted to go into a third axis, I guess +cz would do it.

    • @mehill00
      @mehill00 Před 3 měsíci

      @@kindlin I follow the logic. I was curious whether this was pattern recognition, speculation, or based on some historical knowledge or source. It’s one thing to say this is plausible, perhaps very plausible, and it’s another to say this is the known historical reason.

  • @Crysal
    @Crysal Před 3 měsíci

    9:28 oh god, you mentioned spanning tree, now I have to listen to the spanning tree song.

  • @jumpman8282
    @jumpman8282 Před 3 měsíci

    During the tree graph proof I kept thinking to myself: "But what does this tree graph have to do with the polyhedron in the first place?"
    It wasn't until you filled in the missing edges that I, too, "connected the dots" :)

  • @BrianFullerPDX1
    @BrianFullerPDX1 Před 3 měsíci

    Master class in how not to get to the point even including footage of walking on the sidewalk for no reason at all. I had math teachers like this in school that seemed to pride themselves on being obtuse and fragmented. Then later someone else would explain whatever it was they were teaching in about three sentences and you'd go "Oh, yeah, of course..."

  • @tobiaskarlsson7565
    @tobiaskarlsson7565 Před 3 měsíci

    Since you asked for letters/symbols used in different countries: in Sweden, we use 'k' for slope/gradient and 'm' for intersect. So the line equation would be y=kx+m.

  • @theVtuberCh
    @theVtuberCh Před 3 měsíci +1

    When you said “3 blue” I wanted to say “1 brown”

  • @emilie4058
    @emilie4058 Před 3 měsíci +10

    All shapes are poly? Good for them. Live your authentic life!

  • @scottdebrestian9875
    @scottdebrestian9875 Před 3 měsíci

    The polyplane is very interesting! I'd love to see the polyhedron with -14 vertices, -20 edges and -4 faces!