+mkelebay And you have tested this in winter conditions? Have you any idea how great even regular Subarus are in cornering on winter roads? And on the STI its done with no bull, no gimmicks, no cheap China electronics.
+Ploffy Kha Have a subaru actually, so yes, i do and i live in Canada. Evo's design is just better, why do you denegrate electronics? Fuel injection? turbos, tuning, so much of that relies on electronics, and thats what makes STi's and Evo's what they are.
+Alexis Nogueda I can hardly see how I'm downgrading. The current STI may be no match for a new Evo, but by the time a replacement for that arrives there'll have been three STI generations, of which each which increasingly surpass the Evo
+The Real Santa Claus Which other automotive companies have done the same emissions scam thing as VW? Not to say all others are clean cut honest, but what the whole "fake clean emissions" thing was really messed up.
+liam cornec The sti and evo both have huge aftermarkets and modding communities. Whichever seems better depends on what your more familiar with. I'm a subaru guy so to me the subaru aftermarket seems way bigger because I've looked into it more.
+Mathieu Beaulieu Caron (Norac) Yeah I have to agree with you. I love in colorado so I've owned the mandatory subie or 2 (legacy gt and wrx sti) neither engine made it to 100k without developing oil leaks or having to replace rings. I still have the legacy but traded in the sti for an evo x a few years back. Evo now has 145k miles @ 387awhp w/stock turbo, e85, bolt ons No leaks or issues besides a clutch master cylinder recall a year back.
Dejavu around 9:10. In my experience the EVO is a better track car due to it's stiff and aggressive handling. They give you that jarring rollercoaster feedback. The Sti is a great daily driver or canyon ski car that makes your commute fun, but comfortable. I LOVE on-ramps in the Sti. The only down side is driving a manual transmission during long traffic jams. The manual trans romance dies hard in stop and crawl traffic.
Totally agree. Seems like EVOs have always been a little ahead in the drivetrain game and the STIs have been a little more all around daily kinda car, either way I'd still take my Goat over either one 😂
+Brian Athay subaru are more rally racing centred than track, that's why the suspension is softer and the drivetrain is mostly mechanical. if you put a skid plate on the bottom of the car, and you aren't scared to scratch the paint, you can go rally and face minimal issues. if you did that with the evo, you'd not have as good of traction, suspension damage (more-so than the sti), the rear diff would freak out and probably cause problems. there's a reason subaru has won nonstop this season in Rally America
+briansmobile1 For stop and go traffic, just wait until there's a few car lengths in front of you and then go at a consistent, slow speed. It will even help break up traffic behind you.
I'd get the STI. I want a manual transmission and love the 6 speed in the STI. I've never really liked the styling of the EVO X. The IX was the last EVO I liked the look of
But no, seriously I hate DCT transmissions, at any low speed they're jerky, like I find parking with one really annoying, it's just jerks every time, Where in a manual you can easily control it with the clutch. If it's a DCT done properly, like VW's is a very good DCT like in the Golf R. I drove one with a DCT and was pleasantly surprised by how refined it was at low speeds, but I'd still enjoy the manual better
***** Yea the Golf R I drove it was nice and smooth, same with the GTI I drove last week. The other DCTs I've drove aren't as good. Tim Cocksmouth I don't want a CVT in a car like the WRX, I would take the fun out of the car. the CVT is slower to 60 too. I'm actually going to get a WRX, I'm making sure I can afford the monthly payments first. then I'll be getting a fully loaded WRX in WR blue with a 6 speed manual
Bryan Doherty well the Subaru wrx supposedly has a very good cvt which you can make it feel sharper. So it's not a bad transmission if you want comfort and sport. But a 6 speed manual is definitely a good idea
But the Evo is faster from zero to 60 despite “more weight and less HP”, doesn’t understeer in corners, is faster at the quarter mile and brakes in a shorter distance. I honestly thought this would be an unbiased review but I don’t know how it could be so inconsistent with every car journalist out there and published acceleration and skid pad test data.
Honestly I'd take the 5 speed gearbox on the Evo any day over a 6 speed. Final gear ratios put you around the same top speed and a 5 speed in a rally car for me is a proper rally tranny.
I've test driven a 2013 STI and driven my brother's evo X quite a lot. The one thing that stuck out to me is the handling differences between the cars. The STI had plenty of grip but always tended to feel like understeer when pushed a little. Conversely, when the Evo is pushed in a curve, the car rotates nicely around its center from the apex to corner exit due to the good work done by the AYC. This is a huge thing for me, understeer isn't fun. That said, has the 15 Sti been improved in this aspect?
Both of them are "Fake" rally cars. Not only would you want softer suspension, you would want more travel in the suspension too. They come from the factory to be fun daily drivers that you can take to a autocross event.
Lol, another point I disagree with: suspension is fantastic for gravel roads, at least in Evo, not sure about STI as I never took it off road. Evo's suspension is still on lower speeds, but once you take it somewhat faster on gravel roads, suspension comes to life and it's a different vehicle. Very capable on gravel roads.
The information you shared in this video on the Mitsubishi AWC system and Tarmac/Gravel/Snow settings is completely incorrect. Good research is called for when comparing platforms with such avid followers, particularly when your channel is titled "Engineering Explained." The different settings of the AWC do NOT adjust the power split front-to-rear whatsoever; the power is distributed 50:50 front/rear all day, every day, 365 days per year. Call it a pro or a con, but it is not adjustable; it has never been adjustable. Hence the power split front/rear is also never a laughable 80/20 in any situation. This is complete nonsense. The AWC settings accommodate a driver's desire to maximize traction on road surfaces of differing slipperiness by allowing settings for a more broad or reduced range of differing axle speeds front/rear (not torque differences front/rear; wheel speed is not wheel torque) before differential lock. The torque split remains constant at 50/50 through all three settings. This function allows substantial multi-surface traction benefits over other types of differentials. The Evolution and STi platforms have plenty of their own respective strengths and weaknesses, as well as the likes/dislikes of personal preference (I'm sure there will be discussions and arguments for years to come), but please try to keep the objective information accurate. If you don't know how something works, please don't make stuff up just so you have something to say onscreen. As for the where this conversation goes in the future, I agree with you that the Focus RS vs STi topic will become the focus (no pun...) as the Evo has taken its final bow.
+Engineering Explained, in contextualizing your response to me, no, I was not incorrect - I was imprecise. My comment was solely in response to your explanation of the function of the AWC Tarmac/Gravel/Snow settings, and the inference of the manual adjustability of the torque splits. I was not intending to speak to the torque-vectoring capabilities of the complete AWD system and it's various componentry, which your linked video explains quite well. As I re-read my post, I did get "ranty/preachy" and my verbiage lost specificity in the process. I apologize, both for the lack of clarity and the tone. I have no desire to be or become a troll. It goes to your credit you acknowledged and corrected the error long before I noticed it today. And for the record, you do quite well speaking to a camera -- it's a very hard thing to speak intelligently and concisely when being recorded. Make it a great day!
Hahah apologies if I came off snarky, I received a lot of comments about the AWD issues, responded to many of them, and made the video to address it (which is linked in this video). So I see a new comment and instantly think "I've already addressed this!" while it's simple to not see the other comments and links. I hope you have a wonderful day, and week, as well! :)
Both are great cars. There's to much great qualities in both to clearly determine a "winner". That being said, the main reason I chose the Evo was because it just looks sexy as hell.
You kept bringing up the 5 speed vs 6 speed and the six speed having a distinct advantage in staying in boost (3500+rpm). The evo's very easy to stay in boost. 2nd gear at 50-70 for power. 3rd from 70-110 for power etc. I don't see an advantage in having the sixth gear for performance purposes, at least not in a car like the evo where the gear ratios are tight.
+FerpiliciousProducts My personal experience from driving an Evo X is that it's a lot harder to stay out of boost than it is to stay in it lol. This just seems like a bias review.
The fast that you are comparing Evo X, which is 9 years old with a 2016 STI proves that Evo is awesome. Streering adjustment is a very poor argument. Also the fact it has a dual clutch and not a manual is a very biased disadvantage. You kept repeating again and again that Evo is heavier, yet it has the same fuel mileage and it''s faster on track. 100 kilos is nothing if you have that transmission and that AWD system. I completely ignored the storage space part.
Sounded pretty biased to be honest. I get that there isn't an evo comparable to the newest sti because they're not made anymore, but why take that route in comparing these cars when you're attempting to be objective? That's like me comparing a 2011 mustang gt to a 2016 camaro ss. And I have to disagree on the conclusion as well. I almost got an sti but decided not to because I knew several people that had brand new ones with reliability issues shortly after purchasing them. I'm talking about engine failures here. But with that aside, I've been in both and would say the evo x was much sharper in steering feel, and felt just as quick, if not quicker than the sti I was in despite the weight difference. It just felt like a sharper car overall than the sti.
At risk of sounding like a ricer, I much prefer the massively unnecessary wing that im used to seeing on the EVO. Although i will say the sleeper look is quite sexy as well. I think one thing you forgot to mention Jason, is that the EVO's steering wheel is hideously unattractive.
Not sure where your information came from, but the torque split for the Evo X is locked at a nominal 50:50 split, and that holds true no matter what driving surface you choose via the ACD. Also the functionality of the ASC is to allow differing wheel speeds from left to right based on steering angle and throttle position. (torque vectoring) With ASC engaged, the car will modulate the throttle for you, and vector torque to the corners with the most traction the quickest; the most intrusive stability control profile. With ASC partially turned off, a greater difference in wheel speeds will be allowed as well as more driver modulated throttle control and steering angle. With ASC completely disengaged (press and hold for ~3 seconds) it's really in the driver's control to modulate the throttle and steering angle to get the cornering characteristics he/she wants. Switching ACD modes (Tarmac, Gravel & Snow) determines how much torque will be used to overdrive the outside wheel, and just how quickly it decides to do that. Otherwise, a great review.
+abimael garcia I'l be creating a new video to clear up confusion on the center diff. I stated incorrect information, but it is not a constant 50/50 split (it does vary). Open diffs are 50/50.
That's the difference between most EVO and STI enthusiasts. Most EVO enthusiasts do their research are always eager to learn more about their platforms, and the competition as well. Good rebuttal.
I want and STI so bad! I found your channel after I decided that I wanted an STI and I already have an integra. So this is probably my favorite channel out there right now. Love these kinds of videos. And start up project integra again when you get some spare time!
great video. always entertaining. PLEASE..... DO A VIDEO on the sti differential settings. You always explain things so well and I've never understood what the purpose of the sti's settings are for. No one has a good thread or video to explain the advantages... that are not extremely vague.
You're absolutely right about this. I'm hoping to do it eventually with both Subaru and Mitsubishi, though it's going to take some information directly from them so it may be a while.
Much respect, sir! I appreciate the content you bring to CZcams, a place which is generally overflowing with stupidity, as is the case with just about any social gathering place, especially virtual ones. That said...The boxer engine should have much higher output. In your black intercooler mythbusting video, you talk about the significance of 3%. The Subaru Boxer engine is 2.5 liters, which is 25% larger than the Evo's 4B11T engine with just 2.0 liters of displacement. As such, specific power output is relatively poor on the Subie. It's also worth pointing out that it's much easier to make more power with aftermarket parts on the Evo as the aluminum 4B11T has much in common with its predecessor, the legendary 4G63T. Very few of these cars are left stock by their owners (I see the link to your Cobb APv3 video). If the Subie's specific power output were on par with the Evo, it'd be putting down 364 BHP from the factory.Also, I don't understand why so many people choose to compare a manual transmission car against the Evo MR and then complain about the lack of driver involvement and the price tag in the MR. I solved both these issues by buying the GSR (the manual 5-speed). The high gear in the MR is almost the same as in the GSR and trust me when I tell you that the GSR's gear ratio is more than close enough. You'll never find yourself unable to get to a gear in the powerband. That struck me as a ridiculous statement, especially when you're seeking the manual transmission so you can be sure you won't be driving on autopilot. Both the MR and GSR are left wanting for a badly needed overdrive gear.Every video I've seen comparing the late model STI with the Evo X of any year has had the Evo winning in handling, speed and overall enjoyment. The Subie's AWD system still can't touch the Evo's, which has been unchanged since the 2008 model year, to the best of my knowledge. We won't mention the lack of quality/amenities of the Evo's interior, except for those Recaro seats (sorry, owners of the 2015 Evo). Perhaps, you'd find the car you're looking for if you'd give the Evo GSR a chance. The '14 has the infotainment system you mentioned and retains the Recaro's which were replaced with basic seats for the '15 model year.Oh yeah, and the Evo's estimated range is always 210 miles when you first start it after fueling up (just 14 mpg but who's counting?). Once you get going, it adjusts the range based on your driving style. I was able to get 300+ miles on a tank on the highway in my '13 GSR while having fun much of the way.
+John C Specific output for turbocharged engines isn't really that meaningful of a number. All it means is that the Evo uses higher boost levels. Put more air in any engine, and it makes more power per liter.
I agree with you about turning up the boost pressure to increase output within a given system. But you're implying that you're comparing apples to apples, when in fact you're comparing apples to oranges. Also, I'll assume you're right that the Boxer engine runs lower boost, which would result in a lower specific output. If balanced just right, the lower boost with higher displacement would result in the same approximate output of the Evo, which seems to be the case. But if that's true, then why wouldn't Subaru just turn up the boost at the factory and run the Evo into the ground? If it were as simple as turning up the boost, Subaru could do that (and undoubtedly would to win the rivalry against the Evo). If the Boxer engine had the ability to run higher boost (reliably) and make the additional power that it's greater displacement suggests it should be capable of, it would help to make up for some of the STI's relative lack of handling prowess. The fact is that the Boxer engine is inferior and it would fall apart under the additional stress. If it could run the same boost that the Evo runs from the factory, output would be higher, but they'd lose reliability as a production vehicle and the sales would plummet. They would if they could, to win the rivalry. It's obviously important to them, as it is to Mitsubishi. The fact is, Subaru couldn't compete with Mitsubishi at 2.0 liters which is what prompted their decision to increase displacement to 2.5 liters.
John C You're absolutely right about how one should not compare apples to oranges. Which is why, as I've stated, I think it's fairly meaningless to compare these engines based on specific output. Saying that Subaru couldn't compete with a 2.0L so they made a 2.5L is quite silly, considering that Subaru chose to use an existing platform, and the fact that they run a 2.0L in the JDM STI. You don't know all of the reasons why they used a 2.5L, and neither do I. But it's quite silly to say they used a 2.5L simply because they couldn't match the Evo's 2.0L specific output (they have, and can). Let me also say I'm not saying one design is better than the other, I'm just saying it's pointless to compare these based on specific output without all of the details. More boost = more power. Period.
Uh, the STI is named after the World RallyCross. Subaru's WRX STI isn't even eligible to compete withthe 2.5 liter engine as the event is limited to 2.0 liters. That decision was made long before the Evo went out of production.
“Sti’s many small victories make It a champion”, until the ringlands fail that Is 😂 Evo Is way more tunable in my opinion. All jokes aside, I love both cars but reliability Is a huge factor that we need to take into account.
both car claim a rally heritage. but if you put evo and sti on a dirt track or rainy tarmac track time trial, you'll find evo the clear winner. how do you even compare active torque vectoring with "braking the inside wheel"?
Omg dude. I like your videos and your attempt to do a comparison here. But your explanation of the evo active center differential clearly shows you have no understanding of how it really works or the advantages of it. Also, gloss right over the advantages of the AYC unit in the rear. I don't have an issue with your review, but if you are going to try to compare on technical details, get the details correct! lol
please do not compare a manual to an automatic if you are making a comparison between an evo and am sti. The evo maybe outdated but stock vs stock, evos do not get ringland failures like stis do and thats 1 thing nobodys mentioned in any review including this comparison.
Still in the middle of the video and haven't yet heard his opinion on why which car is the better buy, but whatever his decision is will make up so many people's decisions for them
evos are faster than sti's most of the time. Esp compared to the junk ej25 powered usdm ones with horrible factory tuning, tiny laggy stock turbos and cast pistons. The jdm 2.0 is a far more durable engine and a 8000 rpm redline. Subaru is so cheap they don't even bother to adjust the gear ratios to compensate for a 7000 rpm in the US models hence why it takes 2 shifts to hit 60mph. Also the evo handles better at the limit, more responsive steering, and doesn't need 10k worth of crap to hit 400whp. To the guy who said that the evo is dead and the wrx is here. Well Subaru sells many other cars. a company can't survive just selling one good car esp if it is a nitch car that barely makes a profit. Mitsubishi with the exception of the evo are terrible cars.
+Mortalomena It's not a diesel mate. Emissions for diesel cars is different because the gases being emitted aren't "just" CO and CO2, they also include NOx, which is where the problem was with VWs.
VirusTornado I do know that, was just trolling. Ten other car manufacturers have been caught with similar systems VW uses. VW just was the first to be discovered (we can debate if some rival brand is behind this...)
+Mortalomena the main reason the golf achieves higher mpg with more power is its part time awd system. cruising on the highway no power is being sent to the rear so there is much less driveline loss.
"It's not just VW"the article from Leeds University. They did sampling 300 new diesel vehicles on UK roads before the emission scandal event. Outcome ? VW and Audi polluted 35% less than other comparative cars. (Mazda, Ford, BMW and Mercedes ....etc).The stories we saw in public sometimes were not true. They just been caught by some reasons ! ? I am not saying anything for VW. Just wish someone did some works before they leave comments on CZcams. I think mk7 Golf have got so many international awards since 2013, there must have many reasons for deserving those. Good luck.
Reasons I got my 2011 STI over an Evo X: 1. I didn't want DCT or a 5-sp transmission. 2. I wanted folding rear seats with full pass-through from cabin to trunk. The STI's folding seats make it far more practical. 3. I wanted cruise control (I don't believe the Evo came with that from the factory...I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, though). My first car had no cruise control...never again will I buy a car without it. Cross-country driving without CC SUCKS! 5. I didn't want a non-telescoping steering wheel. 6. The Evo had a small fuel tank. That's not bad in itself until you factor in the mediocre fuel economy. Bad combination there. Regarding the video, I agree that the cars are not really rally cars...rally-inspired, maybe.
Most people say the EVO is a better car for track driving while the Subaru is a better daily and more comfortable to live with. I would take the Subaru.
There’s rumors that Mitsubishi may bring the EVO back and I’m hoping it’s true. From the rumors, it may be similar to some Renault that’s currently on the market.
From a modding perspective, evos are cheaper to get higher power levels out of, Subarus are pretty expensive to make power with. That's why so many people pick up evos as a platform. In stock form I would agree the sti is a better car, but I would also say the with the new sti and Wrx that the WRX is a better buy than the sti. It really does come down to preference and brand loyalty and what not. Personally I would take an Evo due to the cheaper cost with modding. That being said both are great cars in my book and i would happily drive either.
don't ever believe anything mitsubishi says about how much hp the evo's make, bone stock evo 10 off the lot put it on the dyno 334bhp on 93 on a 67 degree day with low humidity
Also, Evo has both, power torque vectoring and braking torque vectoring. This can be explored during snow runs - during turns, inside wheels will be braking and might induce ABS activation. So when I go on the snow, I disable this specific feature, however, on tarmac, it helps a lot.
+Seb Mylliee just talking nonsense but those evos can make a lot of power with little money, in fact I don't think there's another car quite like it in terms for mod/$$$/speed
I've owned both and this is what I think: Evo > STI - Raw driving experience, engine response and handling STI > Evo - All-roundness, engine sound and general comfort
300 horsepower does not equal 0-60 times in the 3.5 seconds. Maybe and i mean just maybe 420 horsepower might do 3.5 0-60 mph on a sticky track and drag slicks on all 4 tires and a pro driver behind the wheel on a car weighing 2900 pounds. 300 horsepower equals more towards the 4.2-4.5 second range especially on street tires.There's more to talk about on this subject but I'm not looking for a arguement. But i had to say something. I have a friend that just bought a brand new STI stock which is around 300 at the wheels and with a stop watch the best time to 60 mph was 4.2. His worst was 4.6 due to his cluch bogging and then some brief wheel spin. I know a stop watch isn't fully accurate but it's enough to prove how hard it is to get to 60 mph under 4 seconds on a stock STI brand new....
"So here's an article from my high school newspaper." "Turns out I've always been sarcastic, and a wonderful automotive journalist." :) In case others missed it!
+brendan2jz Ooof, yeah it was pretty gut wrenching. :( And it's messed up my ability to parallel park now. I'm always like 2 feet from the curb like "yeah that's good."
Which car breed has the most wrc wins and is still setting records today???? That's right, Subaru! Diamonds are for girls anyway. But I will miss the rivalry.
+Filip H Evo > STI. The Subarus have boxer motors. You might as well just buy a Porsche, since you're gonna be spending big money when something breaks. I used to be like you. I loved the STI more. Then I woke up lol
"better probability of having a gear which will be in the rpm range you want" - haha, thats the most engineery statement I've ever heard... although its slightly false unless you want a highway cruising gear for the Evo... around a track or "spirited" street driving, the Evo's 5spd doesn't lose anything to the STi's 6spd. if you think otherwise you haven't driven a 5spd Evo (I've owned both at the same time)
Subaru's lack handling and stability when going through the corners, they either oversteering or under steer when you push them to the limit, top gear UK shows exactly what happens with those two in the track.
Not to be rude but EVO X is always 50/50 torque split. The tarmac, gravel, and snow are the different modes change on how fast the diff lock up when its detect wheel slip.
TheKatakisan is completely correct. The only Japanese awd car I can think Of with an 80/20 split is the mazdaspeed6 and that was only cruising on the highway. Also that is Not the EvoX infotainment system. That is the Rockford Fosgate sterio. The infortainment system is a $3k option that includes engine perameter display as well as awd torque mappping, g-force display as well as sat-nav and everything else under the sun. In this video... yup a cd player blutooth capable sterio with satellite radio part of the SSS package. Sight (xenon headlights), sound (rockford fosgate system), and Spoiler. Also here is a total victory for the evolution. Car guys are probably going to tune these cars almost immediately after purchase. The stock block/head combination on the Evo x will safely and easily get you to 400 whp and more with proper engine tuning. The sti on the otherhand... nope. Try to push the stock sti block to 400 awhp which by the way is north of 500 crank horse power and you're going to have a very bad time. First, Say goodby to the ringlands. The new FA engines in the WRX are proving themselves to be a better option compaired to the EJ. The intake system in on the 4b11T is terrible, just a bolt on intake from kaizen tuning will net you 35whp. This isn't ricer math either. It really will. The sti while also limited in the breathing department will net close to 15whp with a simalarly priced cobb intake system. How do I know? I used to own a Mazdaspeed 6, Now I own a 2014 EvoX GSR, and My wife has a 2015 WRX.
let's admit the fact that the Evo responds to upgrades better then the sti. both are great but driving both , I love the Evo overall. I will say the sti is more comfortable driving in long distance but ended up getting an Evo 8
Great video review, I was sort of hard pressed on which car to pick but because the STI has more new and standard features plus a dealer support that isn't going to disappear from America anytime soon, that is what pushed me toward buying an STI. Btw, those blues are drop dead gorgeous:)
Nice coverage. I think you hit a lot of good points. I also think you hit a big point with the hatchback, something Subaru should have considered when thinking about discontinuing the wagon. However, Subaru made the choice based on sales of the car. The simple matter was Subaru owners propagated towards the Outback and Forester for the big haulers if they actually sought out that feature. However, the hatch version does fit a niche market that wants both the higher performance trim and the high level practicality. It's just that sales numbers didn't define that niche to be all that big. This was also a funding decision for the project in terms of total cost to develop both together and time frame to complete the project. There is interest in the hatch, but there's also interest in the Levorg. Subaru's just following the sales numbers, so they're making sound judgement, even if it annoys the smaller niche segments. I liked the part about the Ford Focus RS. I do think that's a key point when discussing these cars. MItsubishi and Subaru were unique in the segment a decade ago. However, many others have come in. There are now direct competitors under the VW and Audi badges, and Ford's bringing in its new rival. Subaru and Mitsubishi simple haven't done much of anything to advance their powertrains and keep ahead of growing competition. Frankly I think they need to take a page from Porsche's play book and up the displacement while also shaving weight where they can. Subaru has a big displacement engine that doesn't weigh all that much more. Plus they've done plenty with rally and circuit racing to know where the cars need strength and where they can save weight. They just need an interest and follow through. Otherwise competitors will walk all over them. The Focus RS is a serious contender, and unlike other brands, Ford is completely happy to make nutty cars. Not many manufacturers are willing to make a car that will specifically oversteer. Ford also has no gentleman agreements on hp limits, so power is as high as they can make the engine without blowing up.
Bobby Buck Nothing biased about a 2.0 Liter engine which a Hyundai Sonata can easily achieve. If anything, the Evo was lucky to be in the video, non the less recieve such a sugarcoated review for its nearly decade old technology.
+faheem jamal Hyundai Sonata doesn't even come close to the potential of evos so no they can't achieve it easily... Evo stock has better power better suspension... But in all actuality who keeps these cars stock? Damn near anyone so all that gets thrown out the window because suspension is always changed and the Sti can't really match the power of a Evo plus the Evo is a powerhouse compared to the Sti in modifications...
+Engineering Explained true but they discredited themselves with that move so I'm taking their word that their other cars are in compliance with a grain of salt. A big one at that.
I'm secretly in love with both but don't tell them.
I think you just told them yourself with this comment 🤭... Especially if they watch this channel 😁
you just start the world war iii with this video
True😅
+Idontreadurreplies_umadbro read my reply please :(
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Speaking of wwiii
@@MRkingSaLeH the 2016 lancer isnt fast whatsoever though right?
The red Subaru and Blue Evo is doing my head in! Haha
Coke or Pepsi? Lol.
ikr it should be the other way around
Kobi Jenkins When I saw the thumbnail my first thought was "Oh God, why?"
There've gotta be laws against that.
These cars should swap colours!
They Should!
So true !
+thecamlog I thought the exact same thing when Top Gear did the review many years back on the STI and EVO
+thecamlog yes STI's look great in blue.
+thecamlog i also would drive them when they were pink. tursut me xD but y u right
Sti + evo = Stevo?
Hahahah which one of them are the female
Thus stevia sugar was born
ROFL ! haaahaa
Evos torque vectoring is a huge advantage in cornering or unsteady conditions
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evos rely on the turbo and they have torque but sti will win in long term races
+mkelebay that is an amazing quote. I must steal it
+mkelebay And you have tested this in winter conditions? Have you any idea how great even regular Subarus are in cornering on winter roads? And on the STI its done with no bull, no gimmicks, no cheap China electronics.
+Ploffy Kha Have a subaru actually, so yes, i do and i live in Canada. Evo's design is just better, why do you denegrate electronics? Fuel injection? turbos, tuning, so much of that relies on electronics, and thats what makes STi's and Evo's what they are.
The Evo isn't 80/20, it's 50/50, regardless of Tarmac/Gravel/Snow mode.
The people wants an EVO XI DAMN IT!
What? Sorry to let you down, I don't.
+Alexis Nogueda I can hardly see how I'm downgrading. The current STI may be no match for a new Evo, but by the time a replacement for that arrives there'll have been three STI generations, of which each which increasingly surpass the Evo
+Alexis Nogueda cus ya dont have to see your machanic as often
Will people buy it though?!?😂 i personally drive an evo x and i rarely see evos around the streets just a bunch of wrx sti’s
@@RamtheCowy not true when evo was being sold as a norm...they had an update every few years...in the beginning they updated it yearly
Let's not make any statements about the Golf, we can't trust Volkswagen anymore.
+x Broskee its a gasoline car, you can and what about all the other companies that were caught doing the same?
JDM is life
+x Broskee It still wouldn't stop me from buying a VW
+The Real Santa Claus Which other automotive companies have done the same emissions scam thing as VW? Not to say all others are clean cut honest, but what the whole "fake clean emissions" thing was really messed up.
+x Broskee
haha,
But BMW and Mercedes , GM, Toyota and Honda are all suspected for similar scandals
The evos mod-ability was not taken into account. That's when the evo pulls ahead
That's what I was thinking
+liam cornec The sti and evo both have huge aftermarkets and modding communities. Whichever seems better depends on what your more familiar with. I'm a subaru guy so to me the subaru aftermarket seems way bigger because I've looked into it more.
Evo is way easyer to mode since its an inline 4 you can do more by yourself then on a boxer 4 that pretty much break each 80000 km lol
+Mathieu Beaulieu Caron (Norac) Yeah I have to agree with you. I love in colorado so I've owned the mandatory subie or 2 (legacy gt and wrx sti) neither engine made it to 100k without developing oil leaks or having to replace rings. I still have the legacy but traded in the sti for an evo x a few years back. Evo now has 145k miles @ 387awhp w/stock turbo, e85, bolt ons No leaks or issues besides a clutch master cylinder recall a year back.
+Jaziel Nunez Damn, no wonder Mitsu hands out 10 year warranties for their cars.
Dejavu around 9:10. In my experience the EVO is a better track car due to it's stiff and aggressive handling. They give you that jarring rollercoaster feedback. The Sti is a great daily driver or canyon ski car that makes your commute fun, but comfortable. I LOVE on-ramps in the Sti. The only down side is driving a manual transmission during long traffic jams. The manual trans romance dies hard in stop and crawl traffic.
Totally agree. Seems like EVOs have always been a little ahead in the drivetrain game and the STIs have been a little more all around daily kinda car, either way I'd still take my Goat over either one 😂
+Brian Athay subaru are more rally racing centred than track, that's why the suspension is softer and the drivetrain is mostly mechanical. if you put a skid plate on the bottom of the car, and you aren't scared to scratch the paint, you can go rally and face minimal issues. if you did that with the evo, you'd not have as good of traction, suspension damage (more-so than the sti), the rear diff would freak out and probably cause problems. there's a reason subaru has won nonstop this season in Rally America
+briansmobile1 For stop and go traffic, just wait until there's a few car lengths in front of you and then go at a consistent, slow speed. It will even help break up traffic behind you.
+Nayr747 you couldn't be more right, I out space build up and let the car idle forward. basically only manipulating the clutch
+briansmobile1 I really love the Evo on Dirt tracks, it is such a sadist whipping the gravel like some sort of masochist. :P
I like this review but he's more biased towards the Sti being an owner of one
How he said the EVO had better handling and sophisticated technology while sti is old and outdated.
I'd get the STI. I want a manual transmission and love the 6 speed in the STI. I've never really liked the styling of the EVO X. The IX was the last EVO I liked the look of
But no, seriously I hate DCT transmissions, at any low speed they're jerky, like I find parking with one really annoying, it's just jerks every time, Where in a manual you can easily control it with the clutch. If it's a DCT done properly, like VW's is a very good DCT like in the Golf R. I drove one with a DCT and was pleasantly surprised by how refined it was at low speeds, but I'd still enjoy the manual better
+Bryan Doherty you can get a wax with a cvt if you want an auto
+Tim Cocksmouth wrx* not wax lol
***** Yea the Golf R I drove it was nice and smooth, same with the GTI I drove last week. The other DCTs I've drove aren't as good.
Tim Cocksmouth I don't want a CVT in a car like the WRX, I would take the fun out of the car. the CVT is slower to 60 too. I'm actually going to get a WRX, I'm making sure I can afford the monthly payments first. then I'll be getting a fully loaded WRX in WR blue with a 6 speed manual
Bryan Doherty well the Subaru wrx supposedly has a very good cvt which you can make it feel sharper. So it's not a bad transmission if you want comfort and sport. But a 6 speed manual is definitely a good idea
That high school newspaper article was awesome
Agreed. The hoodie helped with street cred
+Blake Swan I had so many friends...
Engineering Explained Its hilarious because that was my exact wardrobe in HS and also had too many friends hahaha. HS was not where it was at for me
+Engineering Explained Loved the article too. I think we would have been best friends in high school, looks like something I would have said haha!
But the Evo is faster from zero to 60 despite “more weight and less HP”, doesn’t understeer in corners, is faster at the quarter mile and brakes in a shorter distance. I honestly thought this would be an unbiased review but I don’t know how it could be so inconsistent with every car journalist out there and published acceleration and skid pad test data.
From what I've read, it seems like the STI is better if you want to DD it, but the EVO is better if performance is your concern.
I'd take either if I had the money
Honestly I'd take the 5 speed gearbox on the Evo any day over a 6 speed. Final gear ratios put you around the same top speed and a 5 speed in a rally car for me is a proper rally tranny.
I've test driven a 2013 STI and driven my brother's evo X quite a lot. The one thing that stuck out to me is the handling differences between the cars. The STI had plenty of grip but always tended to feel like understeer when pushed a little. Conversely, when the Evo is pushed in a curve, the car rotates nicely around its center from the apex to corner exit due to the good work done by the AYC. This is a huge thing for me, understeer isn't fun. That said, has the 15 Sti been improved in this aspect?
Both of them are "Fake" rally cars. Not only would you want softer suspension, you would want more travel in the suspension too. They come from the factory to be fun daily drivers that you can take to a autocross event.
bolt on upgrades, the evo wins. 500 hp reliable unlike the STIs. they pretty much do the same stats, it goes down to the mods. and evos win on mods.
Sti sounds better
@@sinnisdumb stock for stock yes but aftermarket it can go either way
Lol, another point I disagree with: suspension is fantastic for gravel roads, at least in Evo, not sure about STI as I never took it off road. Evo's suspension is still on lower speeds, but once you take it somewhat faster on gravel roads, suspension comes to life and it's a different vehicle. Very capable on gravel roads.
The information you shared in this video on the Mitsubishi AWC system and Tarmac/Gravel/Snow settings is completely incorrect. Good research is called for when comparing platforms with such avid followers, particularly when your channel is titled "Engineering Explained." The different settings of the AWC do NOT adjust the power split front-to-rear whatsoever; the power is distributed 50:50 front/rear all day, every day, 365 days per year. Call it a pro or a con, but it is not adjustable; it has never been adjustable. Hence the power split front/rear is also never a laughable 80/20 in any situation. This is complete nonsense. The AWC settings accommodate a driver's desire to maximize traction on road surfaces of differing slipperiness by allowing settings for a more broad or reduced range of differing axle speeds front/rear (not torque differences front/rear; wheel speed is not wheel torque) before differential lock. The torque split remains constant at 50/50 through all three settings. This function allows substantial multi-surface traction benefits over other types of differentials. The Evolution and STi platforms have plenty of their own respective strengths and weaknesses, as well as the likes/dislikes of personal preference (I'm sure there will be discussions and arguments for years to come), but please try to keep the objective information accurate. If you don't know how something works, please don't make stuff up just so you have something to say onscreen. As for the where this conversation goes in the future, I agree with you that the Focus RS vs STi topic will become the focus (no pun...) as the Evo has taken its final bow.
+TheKatakisan What I said was incorrect, but so is what you said. Here's the facts, straight from Mitsubishi. czcams.com/video/h2Ojw8lCZX4/video.html
+Engineering Explained, in contextualizing your response to me, no, I was not incorrect - I was imprecise. My comment was solely in response to your explanation of the function of the AWC Tarmac/Gravel/Snow settings, and the inference of the manual adjustability of the torque splits. I was not intending to speak to the torque-vectoring capabilities of the complete AWD system and it's various componentry, which your linked video explains quite well. As I re-read my post, I did get "ranty/preachy" and my verbiage lost specificity in the process. I apologize, both for the lack of clarity and the tone. I have no desire to be or become a troll. It goes to your credit you acknowledged and corrected the error long before I noticed it today. And for the record, you do quite well speaking to a camera -- it's a very hard thing to speak intelligently and concisely when being recorded. Make it a great day!
Hahah apologies if I came off snarky, I received a lot of comments about the AWD issues, responded to many of them, and made the video to address it (which is linked in this video). So I see a new comment and instantly think "I've already addressed this!" while it's simple to not see the other comments and links. I hope you have a wonderful day, and week, as well! :)
+TheKatakisan This is how youtube arguments should be.
+Engineering Explained good to see respectful and educated people argument. It has become history on youtube.
As Jeremy Clarkson once called these cars. The Mitsubishi “Did you spill my pint?” And the Subaru “You, outside now!” LOL.
Subaru will always appeal to me more. I have no idea why, I've never even driven one, but I feel like I would fall in love with them if I ever did.
I get it lol. Planning on getting the wrx.
buy one u will be proud owner.
Oranje Renaissance I probably will once I get out of college.
You can always find early 2000s Imprezas and Outbacks for dirt cheap with blown head gaskets. They run like new with a weekend's work.
I think it’s the design that attracts
Both are great cars. There's to much great qualities in both to clearly determine a "winner". That being said, the main reason I chose the Evo was because it just looks sexy as hell.
Ah! So you DID in fact do the video. I remember your reply, "Maybe, maybe Sunday.... Maybe not"
:)
You kept bringing up the 5 speed vs 6 speed and the six speed having a distinct advantage in staying in boost (3500+rpm). The evo's very easy to stay in boost. 2nd gear at 50-70 for power. 3rd from 70-110 for power etc. I don't see an advantage in having the sixth gear for performance purposes, at least not in a car like the evo where the gear ratios are tight.
agree the sixth gear isn't meant to actually use in most racing situations . it is used to achieve better gas mileage on the highway.
+FerpiliciousProducts My personal experience from driving an Evo X is that it's a lot harder to stay out of boost than it is to stay in it lol. This just seems like a bias review.
love both, but i think I'm team evo10 😍
The fast that you are comparing Evo X, which is 9 years old with a 2016 STI proves that Evo is awesome. Streering adjustment is a very poor argument. Also the fact it has a dual clutch and not a manual is a very biased disadvantage. You kept repeating again and again that Evo is heavier, yet it has the same fuel mileage and it''s faster on track. 100 kilos is nothing if you have that transmission and that AWD system. I completely ignored the storage space part.
Sounded pretty biased to be honest. I get that there isn't an evo comparable to the newest sti because they're not made anymore, but why take that route in comparing these cars when you're attempting to be objective? That's like me comparing a 2011 mustang gt to a 2016 camaro ss. And I have to disagree on the conclusion as well. I almost got an sti but decided not to because I knew several people that had brand new ones with reliability issues shortly after purchasing them. I'm talking about engine failures here. But with that aside, I've been in both and would say the evo x was much sharper in steering feel, and felt just as quick, if not quicker than the sti I was in despite the weight difference. It just felt like a sharper car overall than the sti.
At risk of sounding like a ricer, I much prefer the massively unnecessary wing that im used to seeing on the EVO. Although i will say the sleeper look is quite sexy as well. I think one thing you forgot to mention Jason, is that the EVO's steering wheel is hideously unattractive.
What is a ricer?
the guy that blasts through the neighborhood with his mufferless civic in the middle of the night is a ricer :P
+RzVids The guy that puts fake blow off valves on their base model Hyundai accent so it sounds like it has a turbo.
the guy who says he converted his tiburon from fwd to twin turbo
a stock evo doing 3.5 sec 0-60 Yea in what world.
finally a good review.... every other says this car feels better and looks cooler.... the in depth explanation of the drive train helped alot
Not sure where your information came from, but the torque split for the Evo X is locked at a nominal 50:50 split, and that holds true no matter what driving surface you choose via the ACD. Also the functionality of the ASC is to allow differing wheel speeds from left to right based on steering angle and throttle position. (torque vectoring) With ASC engaged, the car will modulate the throttle for you, and vector torque to the corners with the most traction the quickest; the most intrusive stability control profile. With ASC partially turned off, a greater difference in wheel speeds will be allowed as well as more driver modulated throttle control and steering angle. With ASC completely disengaged (press and hold for ~3 seconds) it's really in the driver's control to modulate the throttle and steering angle to get the cornering characteristics he/she wants. Switching ACD modes (Tarmac, Gravel & Snow) determines how much torque will be used to overdrive the outside wheel, and just how quickly it decides to do that.
Otherwise, a great review.
+abimael garcia I'l be creating a new video to clear up confusion on the center diff. I stated incorrect information, but it is not a constant 50/50 split (it does vary). Open diffs are 50/50.
That's the difference between most EVO and STI enthusiasts. Most EVO enthusiasts do their research are always eager to learn more about their platforms, and the competition as well. Good rebuttal.
I want and STI so bad! I found your channel after I decided that I wanted an STI and I already have an integra. So this is probably my favorite channel out there right now. Love these kinds of videos. And start up project integra again when you get some spare time!
forged pistons > cast pistons. EVO wins. that is all
That's why you replace pistons.
wont have to replace pistons if you get them forged from factory
great video. always entertaining. PLEASE..... DO A VIDEO on the sti differential settings. You always explain things so well and I've never understood what the purpose of the sti's settings are for. No one has a good thread or video to explain the advantages... that are not extremely vague.
You're absolutely right about this. I'm hoping to do it eventually with both Subaru and Mitsubishi, though it's going to take some information directly from them so it may be a while.
+darksi226 read the fourth reply, it helped clear things up for me
forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2443238
Much respect, sir! I appreciate the content you bring to CZcams, a place which is generally overflowing with stupidity, as is the case with just about any social gathering place, especially virtual ones. That said...The boxer engine should have much higher output. In your black intercooler mythbusting video, you talk about the significance of 3%. The Subaru Boxer engine is 2.5 liters, which is 25% larger than the Evo's 4B11T engine with just 2.0 liters of displacement. As such, specific power output is relatively poor on the Subie. It's also worth pointing out that it's much easier to make more power with aftermarket parts on the Evo as the aluminum 4B11T has much in common with its predecessor, the legendary 4G63T. Very few of these cars are left stock by their owners (I see the link to your Cobb APv3 video). If the Subie's specific power output were on par with the Evo, it'd be putting down 364 BHP from the factory.Also, I don't understand why so many people choose to compare a manual transmission car against the Evo MR and then complain about the lack of driver involvement and the price tag in the MR. I solved both these issues by buying the GSR (the manual 5-speed). The high gear in the MR is almost the same as in the GSR and trust me when I tell you that the GSR's gear ratio is more than close enough. You'll never find yourself unable to get to a gear in the powerband. That struck me as a ridiculous statement, especially when you're seeking the manual transmission so you can be sure you won't be driving on autopilot. Both the MR and GSR are left wanting for a badly needed overdrive gear.Every video I've seen comparing the late model STI with the Evo X of any year has had the Evo winning in handling, speed and overall enjoyment. The Subie's AWD system still can't touch the Evo's, which has been unchanged since the 2008 model year, to the best of my knowledge. We won't mention the lack of quality/amenities of the Evo's interior, except for those Recaro seats (sorry, owners of the 2015 Evo). Perhaps, you'd find the car you're looking for if you'd give the Evo GSR a chance. The '14 has the infotainment system you mentioned and retains the Recaro's which were replaced with basic seats for the '15 model year.Oh yeah, and the Evo's estimated range is always 210 miles when you first start it after fueling up (just 14 mpg but who's counting?). Once you get going, it adjusts the range based on your driving style. I was able to get 300+ miles on a tank on the highway in my '13 GSR while having fun much of the way.
+John C Specific output for turbocharged engines isn't really that meaningful of a number. All it means is that the Evo uses higher boost levels. Put more air in any engine, and it makes more power per liter.
I agree with you about turning up the boost pressure to increase output within a given system. But you're implying that you're comparing apples to apples, when in fact you're comparing apples to oranges. Also, I'll assume you're right that the Boxer engine runs lower boost, which would result in a lower specific output. If balanced just right, the lower boost with higher displacement would result in the same approximate output of the Evo, which seems to be the case. But if that's true, then why wouldn't Subaru just turn up the boost at the factory and run the Evo into the ground?
If it were as simple as turning up the boost, Subaru could do that (and undoubtedly would to win the rivalry against the Evo). If the Boxer engine had the ability to run higher boost (reliably) and make the additional power that it's greater displacement suggests it should be capable of, it would help to make up for some of the STI's relative lack of handling prowess. The fact is that the Boxer engine is inferior and it would fall apart under the additional stress. If it could run the same boost that the Evo runs from the factory, output would be higher, but they'd lose reliability as a production vehicle and the sales would plummet. They would if they could, to win the rivalry. It's obviously important to them, as it is to Mitsubishi. The fact is, Subaru couldn't compete with Mitsubishi at 2.0 liters which is what prompted their decision to increase displacement to 2.5 liters.
John C You're absolutely right about how one should not compare apples to oranges. Which is why, as I've stated, I think it's fairly meaningless to compare these engines based on specific output. Saying that Subaru couldn't compete with a 2.0L so they made a 2.5L is quite silly, considering that Subaru chose to use an existing platform, and the fact that they run a 2.0L in the JDM STI. You don't know all of the reasons why they used a 2.5L, and neither do I. But it's quite silly to say they used a 2.5L simply because they couldn't match the Evo's 2.0L specific output (they have, and can).
Let me also say I'm not saying one design is better than the other, I'm just saying it's pointless to compare these based on specific output without all of the details. More boost = more power. Period.
+John C : Subaru obviously won its rivalry against the evo, which car is still being produced?
Uh, the STI is named after the World RallyCross. Subaru's WRX STI isn't even eligible to compete withthe 2.5 liter engine as the event is limited to 2.0 liters. That decision was made long before the Evo went out of production.
“Sti’s many small victories make It a champion”, until the ringlands fail that Is 😂 Evo Is way more tunable in my opinion. All jokes aside, I love both cars but reliability Is a huge factor that we need to take into account.
both car claim a rally heritage. but if you put evo and sti on a dirt track or rainy tarmac track time trial, you'll find evo the clear winner. how do you even compare active torque vectoring with "braking the inside wheel"?
evo x always.
lol STI still trying to catch up to the Evo.
Btw, handling in the Evo is light years ahead of the sti; braking system too.
+stanlyhernandez "lol" they have nearly identical braking systems. But facts are silly.
Dude, the evo center differential can only be a 50/50 torque split when in an open state. 80/20?? Where did you get these numbers from LOL!?
Omg dude. I like your videos and your attempt to do a comparison here. But your explanation of the evo active center differential clearly shows you have no understanding of how it really works or the advantages of it. Also, gloss right over the advantages of the AYC unit in the rear.
I don't have an issue with your review, but if you are going to try to compare on technical details, get the details correct! lol
Here ya go: czcams.com/video/h2Ojw8lCZX4/video.html
nice, well done.
rekt
what lol? He was freaking wrong in his video. Do you take issues with that? rofl
EVO all day!!!!!!!!!
evo it's a superior car, like Jeremy Clarkson said once,subaru sti it's a good boy car,but the evo now that's a man car...
please do not compare a manual to an automatic if you are making a comparison between an evo and am sti. The evo maybe outdated but stock vs stock, evos do not get ringland failures like stis do and thats 1 thing nobodys mentioned in any review including this comparison.
Still in the middle of the video and haven't yet heard his opinion on why which car is the better buy, but whatever his decision is will make up so many people's decisions for them
EVO everytime.... subaru is too common ;)
evos are faster than sti's most of the time. Esp compared to the junk ej25 powered usdm ones with horrible factory tuning, tiny laggy stock turbos and cast pistons. The jdm 2.0 is a far more durable engine and a 8000 rpm redline.
Subaru is so cheap they don't even bother to adjust the gear ratios to compensate for a 7000 rpm in the US models hence why it takes 2 shifts to hit 60mph.
Also the evo handles better at the limit, more responsive steering, and doesn't need 10k worth of crap to hit 400whp.
To the guy who said that the evo is dead and the wrx is here. Well Subaru sells many other cars. a company can't survive just selling one good car esp if it is a nitch car that barely makes a profit. Mitsubishi with the exception of the evo are terrible cars.
I bet the Golf R has some shady system in it to bypass emission control.
+Mortalomena It's not a diesel mate. Emissions for diesel cars is different because the gases being emitted aren't "just" CO and CO2, they also include NOx, which is where the problem was with VWs.
VirusTornado I do know that, was just trolling. Ten other car manufacturers have been caught with similar systems VW uses. VW just was the first to be discovered (we can debate if some rival brand is behind this...)
Mortalomena lol alright. And yeah it seems many manufacturers have been using similar systems.
+Mortalomena the main reason the golf achieves higher mpg with more power is its part time awd system. cruising on the highway no power is being sent to the rear so there is much less driveline loss.
"It's not just VW"the article from Leeds University. They did sampling 300 new diesel vehicles on UK roads before the emission scandal event. Outcome ? VW and Audi polluted 35% less than other comparative cars. (Mazda, Ford, BMW and Mercedes ....etc).The stories we saw in public sometimes were not true. They just been caught by some reasons ! ? I am not saying anything for VW. Just wish someone did some works before they leave comments on CZcams. I think mk7 Golf have got so many international awards since 2013, there must have many reasons for deserving those. Good luck.
Why chose the slowest Evo in the range and then complain about the speed?
wth? Evo without recaro seats and wing... It's not a Evo :c
szymon makuchowski Ikr 😔
The manchildren commenting really detracts from the quality of the videos. It would be better if he disabled the comments
Reasons I got my 2011 STI over an Evo X:
1. I didn't want DCT or a 5-sp transmission.
2. I wanted folding rear seats with full pass-through from cabin to trunk. The STI's folding seats make it far more practical.
3. I wanted cruise control (I don't believe the Evo came with that from the factory...I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, though). My first car had no cruise control...never again will I buy a car without it. Cross-country driving without CC SUCKS!
5. I didn't want a non-telescoping steering wheel.
6. The Evo had a small fuel tank. That's not bad in itself until you factor in the mediocre fuel economy. Bad combination there.
Regarding the video, I agree that the cars are not really rally cars...rally-inspired, maybe.
i always liked evo better. idk why it just seems more manly its like rough ish. idk how to explain it
ryan hines i agree with ya man, subaru always seems like the softer of the two
ryan hines Evos are badass, I just wish Mitsubishi wad a more reliable brand
+mattquantrill101 exactly what i was trying to say
+b4daa and yea me too I started liking evos when my step brother bought one and it's an amazing car
You failed to mention the grenade engine in the Subaru. That's the biggest downfall by far and a huge reason to get an evo.
41/59... that's my drivetrain split for my sti in Gran Turismo 6
Most people say the EVO is a better car for track driving while the Subaru is a better daily and more comfortable to live with.
I would take the Subaru.
Oh man good job on the article that cracked me up lol
There’s rumors that Mitsubishi may bring the EVO back and I’m hoping it’s true. From the rumors, it may be similar to some Renault that’s currently on the market.
How about old evo vs old sti? 😣
From a modding perspective, evos are cheaper to get higher power levels out of, Subarus are pretty expensive to make power with. That's why so many people pick up evos as a platform. In stock form I would agree the sti is a better car, but I would also say the with the new sti and Wrx that the WRX is a better buy than the sti. It really does come down to preference and brand loyalty and what not. Personally I would take an Evo due to the cheaper cost with modding. That being said both are great cars in my book and i would happily drive either.
don't ever believe anything mitsubishi says about how much hp the evo's make, bone stock evo 10 off the lot put it on the dyno 334bhp on 93 on a 67 degree day with low humidity
Also, Evo has both, power torque vectoring and braking torque vectoring. This can be explored during snow runs - during turns, inside wheels will be braking and might induce ABS activation. So when I go on the snow, I disable this specific feature, however, on tarmac, it helps a lot.
Evo stock block 800-900 whp $2k
Sti stock block 400-500 whp $8k
Evo wins!
Stock block, 800whp? For a few miles maybe, and more like 20k
+Seb Mylliee just talking nonsense but those evos can make a lot of power with little money, in fact I don't think there's another car quite like it in terms for mod/$$$/speed
Block might hold it in a 4g Evo for a while but not a new one lol.. Most engines top around 500 with the exception of some from Toyota and Nissan
Mitsubishi are notorious for being expensive as hell to build.
***** Word of mouth is powerful. What can I say.
evo will always be better, even an evo 8 or 9 mr it's still better than the new sti......
The School newspaper bit made me laugh so hard.
I love your reviews. I can only listen half as fast as you can talk and English is not my 1st language but I think I got it :)
Jason had me laughing when he said "great ordering there by the journalist." 1:34 Thanks for the laugh, today was boring as hell.
I've owned both and this is what I think:
Evo > STI - Raw driving experience, engine response and handling
STI > Evo - All-roundness, engine sound and general comfort
can you have a Subaru Impreza Wrx 1998 review? :)
300 horsepower does not equal 0-60 times in the 3.5 seconds. Maybe and i mean just maybe 420 horsepower might do 3.5 0-60 mph on a sticky track and drag slicks on all 4 tires and a pro driver behind the wheel on a car weighing 2900 pounds. 300 horsepower equals more towards the 4.2-4.5 second range especially on street tires.There's more to talk about on this subject but I'm not looking for a arguement. But i had to say something. I have a friend that just bought a brand new STI stock which is around 300 at the wheels and with a stop watch the best time to 60 mph was 4.2. His worst was 4.6 due to his cluch bogging and then some brief wheel spin. I know a stop watch isn't fully accurate but it's enough to prove how hard it is to get to 60 mph under 4 seconds on a stock STI brand new....
+steve v I was in high school, and I was being sarcastic haha.
I didn't hear that but I had to say something just in case nobody else caught that
"So here's an article from my high school newspaper."
"Turns out I've always been sarcastic, and a wonderful automotive journalist."
:) In case others missed it!
Love Subaru
Isn't Mitsubishi eventually bringing back the Evo, but with a hybrid drivetrain?
i see at 8:22 you curbed the wheels... -_-
+brendan2jz Ooof, yeah it was pretty gut wrenching. :( And it's messed up my ability to parallel park now. I'm always like 2 feet from the curb like "yeah that's good."
How to parallel park: Don't. there is ways to fix the wheel though.
+brendan2jz "Don't" isn't an option when you live in a city.
thats very true Jason haha, man are you going to be upgrading the STi anytime soon? #FAQ
+Engineering Explained www.tirerack.com/wheels ;) Do I see RPF1s :P
Which car breed has the most wrc wins and is still setting records today???? That's right, Subaru! Diamonds are for girls anyway. But I will miss the rivalry.
That's because the driver was Colin McRae honestly. Not sure tho
but still evo > sti.... hahaha
true that
+Filip H no way i drove both cars the evo drives and handles better than the sti
+Filip H I had sti and now evo, evo is a better car by far, much easier to mod and handles amazing.
+Filip H Evo > STI. The Subarus have boxer motors. You might as well just buy a Porsche, since you're gonna be spending big money when something breaks. I used to be like you. I loved the STI more. Then I woke up lol
+Filip H Evo > STI
"better probability of having a gear which will be in the rpm range you want" - haha, thats the most engineery statement I've ever heard... although its slightly false unless you want a highway cruising gear for the Evo... around a track or "spirited" street driving, the Evo's 5spd doesn't lose anything to the STi's 6spd. if you think otherwise you haven't driven a 5spd Evo (I've owned both at the same time)
Evo IX
And we don't have problems
:-D
Wow, didn't know that you were such a gangsta in highschool.
She may have died but she will be back
YES
lets hope
Jersey Boy Greaser I don't get it
Playboicarti Mitsubishi have discontinued the Evo series
yeah. as a HYBRID!
evo all the way
lol.
"sti sti sti sti sti. oh yeah evo is also in this video kind of"
Subaru's lack handling and stability when going through the corners, they either oversteering or under steer when you push them to the limit, top gear UK shows exactly what happens with those two in the track.
+chinolashtla I wouldn't solely judge a car's performance based on Top Gear...
Not to be rude but EVO X is always 50/50 torque split.
The tarmac, gravel, and snow are the different modes change on how fast the diff lock up when its detect wheel slip.
TheKatakisan is completely correct. The only Japanese awd car I can think Of with an 80/20 split is the mazdaspeed6 and that was only cruising on the highway. Also that is Not the EvoX infotainment system. That is the Rockford Fosgate sterio. The infortainment system is a $3k option that includes engine perameter display as well as awd torque mappping, g-force display as well as sat-nav and everything else under the sun. In this video... yup a cd player blutooth capable sterio with satellite radio part of the SSS package. Sight (xenon headlights), sound (rockford fosgate system), and Spoiler. Also here is a total victory for the evolution. Car guys are probably going to tune these cars almost immediately after purchase. The stock block/head combination on the Evo x will safely and easily get you to 400 whp and more with proper engine tuning. The sti on the otherhand... nope. Try to push the stock sti block to 400 awhp which by the way is north of 500 crank horse power and you're going to have a very bad time. First, Say goodby to the ringlands. The new FA engines in the WRX are proving themselves to be a better option compaired to the EJ. The intake system in on the 4b11T is terrible, just a bolt on intake from kaizen tuning will net you 35whp. This isn't ricer math either. It really will. The sti while also limited in the breathing department will net close to 15whp with a simalarly priced cobb intake system. How do I know? I used to own a Mazdaspeed 6, Now I own a 2014 EvoX GSR, and My wife has a 2015 WRX.
let's admit the fact that the Evo responds to upgrades better then the sti. both are great but driving both , I love the Evo overall. I will say the sti is more comfortable driving in long distance but ended up getting an Evo 8
Great video review, I was sort of hard pressed on which car to pick but because the STI has more new and standard features plus a dealer support that isn't going to disappear from America anytime soon, that is what pushed me toward buying an STI. Btw, those blues are drop dead gorgeous:)
Jumping on a dead comment but RIP the STI now.
Which AWD sedan is best AWD sedan?
+Travis Proteau Evo
My awe sedan is best awd sedan because RALLY HERITAGE BMBMBMB
+Travis Proteau Audi rs7
Parth S German. Gross.
Nice coverage. I think you hit a lot of good points. I also think you hit a big point with the hatchback, something Subaru should have considered when thinking about discontinuing the wagon. However, Subaru made the choice based on sales of the car. The simple matter was Subaru owners propagated towards the Outback and Forester for the big haulers if they actually sought out that feature. However, the hatch version does fit a niche market that wants both the higher performance trim and the high level practicality. It's just that sales numbers didn't define that niche to be all that big. This was also a funding decision for the project in terms of total cost to develop both together and time frame to complete the project. There is interest in the hatch, but there's also interest in the Levorg. Subaru's just following the sales numbers, so they're making sound judgement, even if it annoys the smaller niche segments.
I liked the part about the Ford Focus RS. I do think that's a key point when discussing these cars. MItsubishi and Subaru were unique in the segment a decade ago. However, many others have come in. There are now direct competitors under the VW and Audi badges, and Ford's bringing in its new rival. Subaru and Mitsubishi simple haven't done much of anything to advance their powertrains and keep ahead of growing competition. Frankly I think they need to take a page from Porsche's play book and up the displacement while also shaving weight where they can. Subaru has a big displacement engine that doesn't weigh all that much more. Plus they've done plenty with rally and circuit racing to know where the cars need strength and where they can save weight. They just need an interest and follow through. Otherwise competitors will walk all over them. The Focus RS is a serious contender, and unlike other brands, Ford is completely happy to make nutty cars. Not many manufacturers are willing to make a car that will specifically oversteer. Ford also has no gentleman agreements on hp limits, so power is as high as they can make the engine without blowing up.
#BringTheEvoBack
The WRX is better than the sti because it’s much responsive and gets it’s peak torque as soon as possible than the sti or evo
You sound very biased and pro Subaru... I haven't really heard you say anything good about Mitsubishi except for a sound system
Because it's a pure slaughter at this point. This video was relevant around 7 years ago, where the Evo actually stood a chance.
+faheem jamal Na he's just biased plain and simple...
Bobby Buck Nothing biased about a 2.0 Liter engine which a Hyundai Sonata can easily achieve. If anything, the Evo was lucky to be in the video, non the less recieve such a sugarcoated review for its nearly decade old technology.
+faheem jamal Hyundai Sonata doesn't even come close to the potential of evos so no they can't achieve it easily... Evo stock has better power better suspension... But in all actuality who keeps these cars stock? Damn near anyone so all that gets thrown out the window because suspension is always changed and the Sti can't really match the power of a Evo plus the Evo is a powerhouse compared to the Sti in modifications...
Bobby Buck
Lancer evo:
www.kbb.com/mitsubishi/lancer-evolution/2015/
WRX. Mind that this isn't even the STI:
www.kbb.com/subaru/wrx/2017/#survey
that pic of you in high school was awesome man haha
you should have compared the Evo x GSR to the STI
Agreed would be much more fair.
But the mr IS comparable to an sti tho
AlienNinjaPuppy no it's not it's the wrx equivalent
Agreed! 100% he would have had a different expirience. As soon as he sat in the recaros! 😂😂💯
I appreciate your honest reviews. As balanced as possible.
Do a 2016 Focus RS vs 2016/17 STI please
sammy smith rs would spank
All Evos>>>>>>>>>> All WRXs
Fenske was a rebel LOL
I've always been a bit of a badass... (Except never even close).
+Engineering Explained true but they discredited themselves with that move so I'm taking their word that their other cars are in compliance with a grain of salt. A big one at that.
+Engineering Explained The hoodie def gave you more street cred. Love it
I'm looking forward to your inevitable review of the Focus RS, it looks to be pretty awesome.