Finally this Great courageous human being who is a non Muslim stands up against the press/media for their unfair attitude towards Muslims. While our muslim scholars are taking apologetic stance. Why when a muslim does some thing good his identity is only his name. But when a muslim does a bad thing his identity is his religion. My respects to your courage to speak truth Sir.
We Muslims don't have intellectual and academic as leaders or head of state more over Muslims countries not United as EU nor they understand that until now. That is sad part of our 57 Muslim countries. If they are United and contain the internal conflicts and grievances as one nation. Education institution free for at least for Muslims instead spending on arms and ammunition....... Peace and harmony will prevail.... Otherwise conflicts will continue till the day of judgement......
@@ayaat-ur-rahman6120 Saudi Arabia is powerhouse for Islam. I Did not find any Muslims that alienate from Saudi Arabia. Any! So all muslims agreed of law in Saudi Arabia. Sorry, but I dont want to live in that kind of country. And they are real muslims, right?
I think McEnery dealt with that in his presentation, saying that even when the media talk about 'good' things Muslims do (e.g., Mo Farah), they don't highlight their religiousness, whilst 'Islamist' tends to appear in the header of an Afghani car bomb news. I would also add that I have never found press speaking about 'Christianist' terrorism, nor linking Bush's, Obama's, Blair's, Cameron's, etc's acts of terror with the religion they identify with.
Dear world, did you know Jesus(pbuh) is one of the greatest people to have lived according to The Qur'an, and his mother Mary is regarded as the epitome of women to have ever lived? There is even a chapter in the Qur'an dedicated to her? Names as Noah, Adam, Jonas, Solomon, Lot, and Abraham (pbut) are also found in the Qur'an. Investigate :)
Yeah, and the names are often similar (Lot = Lut, Satan = Shaytan, etc.) but sometimes they're really different (Jesus = Isa). It's really interesting to see which ones are similar and which are different and compare them.
+e wah You are the epitome of self-delusional islam, pretending to "admire" other faiths while your much more orthodox brothers gun everyone down. The world is on to you.
Outdoor Mirrorist dude can't u read properly? she/he gave u information your brain didn't have before and I think doesn't have the capacity to understand what they said! chill and please I beg u to TRY to understand and if u are incapable of doing that that shut your shitty mouth!
Jesus was a prophet like Muhammad, they were both outstanding prophets! But we are Muhammad's com(nation i guess) so in the LastDay every prophet will represent his nation, so in that kind of perspective Muhammad will be our representative. And In the QUR'AN his footsteps are like a guide to all of us, and it's not just like "look i gave you instructions and you follow them because i say so" it's explained a dozen of times Why he did that thing or the other... so because i am from Muhammad's com, like are u, i think Mohammad is the guidance i need ,and of course with the help and love of Allah,to walk on the correct path, path towards him and Allah and all the other prophets. Thanks for reading my reply
I as a muslim i never understand why all this hate from ppl who even dont know who we are and what is islam . never in my town or my country tought that violence is something acceptable.more over never in quran or in any thing about mohamed sws been promoting violence if there is so it s in a contest of that periode of time and those events 1400 ago . islam is a way of living yet its true that culture does influence some extrimiste thinking about islam .i ve never understand why westners blame muslims all the time ,for 9 11 for exemple when it happened they said muslims did it and so we became teroristes after 10 years from that its been comfirmed by some celebrities and investagater associations that it was an inside job !! I mean IRAQ AFGANISTAN ..... Were demolished ppl died by millions And the liste is long . and so continues all the wars and human crimes in the name of islam to serve America's and israel political consparensies. We all have minds and conscience but i still dont understand why are most of ppl still blinded by false news and lies about islam . so ppl do read understand the quran and than judge . peace be upon all the humanity
+mocco1986 Remember that not all objections to Islam are out of hate or fear. As an ideology I feel that Islam, like all religions, fail in their portrayal of reality. Even if no religious person had ever committed a single act of violence, the act of perpetuating false realities based on superstitions is an error that should be corrected. Now does that mean all religious people need to hand in their holy books, no of course not. However I believe in the continual push toward secularism and reason grounded in objective, verifiable realities. Islam tells you to behave, great, but goodness is not inherit to Islam, nor is it the only place that it is found, you can be good for the sake of being good without the threat of hell, or the promise of paradise. I hear your call to not conflate the violent acts of some with the Islam as a whole. But religion in the 21st century is a poor map to follow no matter how benign, so please be mindful not to conflate all objections to Islam as bigotry.
+mocco1986 One problem, Allah and God are not there, presume that. Why all this is happening? Probably not good education about the human history...If there really was a God or some Allah, there must be a reason. Why nobody can tell that? Don't start with the Quran and the Bible, that are man made books. So what is left> man made believe, "maybe" i can save my self when i believe. Maybe is not working, evidence does...
+mocco1986 I was about to write a lengthy reply, but then i read this: "never in quran or in any thing about mohamed sws been promoting violence" I immediately realized that anything I wrote, no matter how reasonable (including these very words) would be a complete waste of time, because you are either completely delusional, lying through your teeth or ignorant of the very faith you claim to follow. And then there's your English... #manyriverstocross
Isn't it mindboggling how one study result can lure out comments filled with hatred towards something they probably never even study themselves :) Read.
I'm extremely glad that I was not the only one analyzing these news which would always portrait us muslims as the wrong doers no matter whether we are the victims or the "bad ones". And noticing how they only emphasized the religious belief when it comes to a so-called muslim doing something bad.
This guy is way off the mark with his answer for the Muslim athlete who's religious belief was only mentioned 23 times in the press upon his winning a gold medal. When does the press ever mention someone's religious preference when they win a gold medal? Hardly ever and why should they? Religion has nothing to do with athletics. But, here it is used to express a bias against Muslims when actually they are being treated just like everybody else. Also, he doesn't know that it is the Muslims who invented the concept of 'the Muslim world'. More specifically, a highly regarded Imam and jurist, Abu Hanifa, 699 to 767 AD, the century after the death of Muhammid, coined the terms Dar al-Islam, the house of Islam and Dar al-Harb, the house of war. These divide the world into the part that has submitted to Islam and is ruled by a Muslim theocracy and Muslim law or Sharia and the rest of the world that is yet to be conquered. But, this is overlooked again to make Muslims look like victims when Islam and its agenda to convert the whole world to Sharia is the aggressive ideology. This false blaming of the violent consequences from the constant spread of Islamofascism on western press, culture, colonization, ignorance or Islamophobia needs to stop. Rather the conversation needs to change to address the actual problems such as: There is no golden rule for unbelievers in Islam - that is a problem. Islam teaches that god hates the unbeliever and a good Muslim should too -that Is a problem. Islam teaches it is superior to all other religions - that is a problem. Islam refuses to be criticized - that is a problem. Isam teaches that it has all the answers for every aspect of life - that is a problem. Islam teaches that drawing pictures of Muhammid is idolatry - that is a problem. Islam has blasphemy laws - that is a problem. Anyone who brings up these problems with Islam is a racist, a bigot or has a bad case of Islamophobia - THAT IS THE PROBLEM!
I'm sure you'd be welcome to bring those things up. It just depends how you being it up. I doubt anyone would be against having a calm intellectual conversation about it
I am muslim, loving and caring person towards to everyone. It is my nature and culture that I am friendly person. But because of media and 9-11 it makes being muslim is hard, even if don't wear hijab. I have so many experience that I have to hesitate to say that ,I am muslim. I think it is very ,exteremly unfair to loving and caring muslim either wearing hijab or not. Who can change this attitude towards muslim, it is politicians and media, and teachers, I hope people understand Islam better rather than listening to media. God bless you all.
Assalamu alaikum professor Tony for your service to humanity and Muslim world by integration with the rest of the world May you be rewarded by the lord God almighty Allah for. Propagating Truth about ISLAM and Muslim world.stay blessed . PEACE.
Hello Professor Tony McEnery! My name is Princess Vera Petrovna Svechina. I was born in the USSR in the Soviet Imperial family with title Kronprincess. My biological grandmother and her biological father are inspired great revolutionary names LENIN and STALIN. I never been to Arabic countries, but I lived in Tokyo and SF. I'm film maker and writer and I wanted to ask your advise. In 1973 in NY for my Gemini zodiac birthday, Japanese Americans in the USA build The World trade center. The Twin Towers. I call them the GEMINI towers, because they were build for my birthday celebrations and for my wedding! When I was in film school in SF I didn't know that. In 2001 there is was terrorist attack in NY. I was sad, for people in NY, many of them died, but I count imagine that, the attack could be related to me personally and to my parents from the USSR, that never traveled abroad. In 2009, when Obama became the president of the USA, I was attacked in my apt. in SF, by some secret service and they accused me in making terrorism in NY and also in killing Princess DIANA 1997 in Paris. Of course I could never be guilty in that, because 1. I love the Gemini towers, for my birthday in 1973 in NY. They were very beautiful. 2. Princess Diana and Prince Charles were my fans, and named their children in my honor: WH - WERA НЕВЕСТA. (Prince William and Prince Henry). Because I planed to get married, even I didn't know who is my fiance. In 1899 in Russia, in my honor was created opera the TSARS BRIDE. I went to police and FBI. in SF in NY in Seattle, I made reports, but I couldn't find any help or support. The secret service (I dont know from what country that secret service was - it could be Russia or USA or Ukraine, the Ukrainian embassy just moved near my apt. in down town SF recently) made that I couldn't stay in my apt. where I loved since 1997, and I didn't plan to move out, I was working on my personal books and films.. But I was very scared and I stopped working and I couldn't pay rent anymore, I left my things in SF storage (200$ a month) and I came back to Russia to find out what is going one. In Russia - my family is still a secret family. Officially were arent exist. Monarchy in Russia finished in 1917. For me and my family the USSR took from JAPAN the IV Kuril islands, so we can live there with our titles and dont bother anyone, but Soviet and Russian Government still haven't got to this point to tell about that to my family and to move us to my private islands. (I would love to go live on my private IV Kuril islands!) My parents and I didn't know about TSAR NIKOLAY II, LENIN, STALIN being with my family - through all the USSR time and since 1991. Russian police also doesn't know that and they cant help me. (I found out by making my own investigation) I went to SAUDI Arabian Embassy and I wrote a letter to Prince Muhammed, about what happened in SF - I was wrongfully accused of making terrorism in NY, bitten up severely and I had to sale my belongings cheaply, my "Last train from Roppongi" film museum that I was collecting for 15 years in Japan, was destroyed same as my Apple computer MacBookPro. But I didn't get the answer from The SAUDI ARABIA. Then I called British Embassy and I said what happened in SF: I was wrongfully accused by some secret service that I killed Princess DIANA, I was bitten up severely and I lost a lot of my very important things that I collected since College in SF and I lost my $, paying for storage. The secret service is still harassing me! WHAT SHOULD I DO? I didn't get any answer either. WHAT WOULD YOU RECOMMEND ME TO DO? The damage done to my life by that attack in 2009 in SF is huge and I dont know how myself I can get back to my normal life. Police in Seattle said that attempt to kill me in SF 2009 was prepared for more then 10 years. My things are still in SF. I had to borrow money from the bank to pay for storage....I still cant work - I planed to sale my "LAST TRAIN FROM ROPPONGI" book and film: "The Education of a Princess" - about my life in Japan and about my film making education in SF USA, but my head was damaged by the attack of secret service and Im coming back very slowly. Calling to the USA embassy also doesn't help. They dont want to listen to me. Because 2001 The USA President Bush - didn't say that The GEMINI towers were build in the time of COLD WAR for my birthday (I was born with title Princess in the USSR), because it would make Russian President Putin move fast and give me my IV Kuril islands property, because I'm the TSARS BRIDE, but Vladimir Putin didn't want to do that, even I have documents from Boris Elzin that I own that IV Kuril islands. Since 1999 - my first trip to Cannes film festival, Vladimir Putin used people that live in my home town to organise attempt to kill me in SF 2009! I have evidence of that. I found out that since 1983 they have been killing my relatives hoping I never get my "LAST TRAIN FROM ROPPONGI" book and film made. There is also few great corporations that have to pay me salary and didn't yet, are involved. Writing to Putin and Medvedev in Russia - is also same - I didn't get any answer. I continue my investigation about my family, and about my relations to the Arabic countries. I found out that I inspired the "1001 night" tale and HIJAB means, friendly: "Hello, FROG!"! - that is addressed to personally me! There is famous Russian fairytale "TSAREVNA FROG", long time ago inspired by my birth in the USSR 1973 (DNA). My imperial birthday is 5 June - The world environmental day! I could easy fall in love with the Arabic world! But some body hates that idea, and they made terrorism in NY in 2001. Now, how I can get them to answer me - I dont know. Since 2009 I dont have money to buy new APPLE computer, same as was broken, when I was attacked in SF - THE MACBOOKPRO! I haven't got married (I didn't even found who is my fiance yet) and I still dont have children (I'm really 100% healthy). I found out that is happening, because Putin Medvedev and Brin Sergey stole already some of my inheritance and time, behind my back, to them selves and wanted more. Attempt to kill me happened in SF. I think they hoped I want survive that secret service attack, they started to occupy my IV private Kuril islands. Without telling anything to people in Russia about me and my family. They hoped to kill all of my family in Russia by 2012. Killed many of my relatives in Russia. Sergey Brin started GOOGLE 1998 and got with it in the Apple logo, that was created 1977 from my photo. He and Google uses me my family for Android logo - the Frog is green and Android logo is Green...But Google, Android and Sergey Brin (also from the USSR) doesnt have relation to The TSAREVNA FROG...= Google just abuses me and my family from the USSR. I didn't get salary from Apple for the APPLE logo, the time was 1999, when I was in film school in SF, and then I was attacked in 2009 in SF with proposal to commit suicide, when STEVE JOBS was dying. I'm very shocked! Now for 10 years: I dont have any $ to take care of myself and my mother (I didnt work since I was attacked 2009) and I dont have lawyer!
TheSeductiveArts Essentially by being an atheist that philosophically takes accepting religion off the table. Leaving you with basically just opposition and tolerance (assuming there is no in betweens and is not on a spectrum.). So out of the two, you find less conflict in tolerance in full knowledge that there is a potential third choice in acceptance that you can't take due to your philosophy. I also agree with your sentiment, acceptance isn't wholly good. There are things in this world that are unacceptable and just as many things that are intolerable. I guess you can partially accept something you can accept that murder and rape will always happen but never tolerate an act of it, opposing it instead by punishing it an mitigating both acts damage.
TheSeductiveArts Your comment about "tolerating" just went out the window when you said that religious peoples beliefs are "stupid" and "a fairy tale". Please don't let your ignorance shine through its really an ugly trait.
Adrianne Avenicci Umm your comment about "ignorance" flew right out the window when you displayed that you didn't really read Art's comment. They where trying to say you can be both. Jokes. This is probably a semantic issue TBH your definition of tolerance might be different to others. My definition of tolerance is, holding your tongue gritting your teeth out of an avoidance of conflict or a sense of respect for the sanctity of other ideas despite detesting them. You have to remember sometimes there will be things that are unforgivable. Things that even a normally tolerant person will have to oppose. You can have varies tolerance to different things. P.S You where totally killed by vampires in my last play-through. And I am touched that you added me to your last will and testament. While I'm a little perplexed as to why. As our only interaction was me selling you 10 barely enchanted iron daggers and a multitude of rings. Either way I am grateful you thought of me.
ACCEPTANCE IS; a transcendent state/property of Big Mind & Big Heart. Is just "tolerance" for others working for us even as individuals? It's imperative that we change our ways of relating to each other; the status quo: Homo Homini Lupus, is glaringly evident.
If this guy represents all the non-Muslims out there, there would be no conflict at all even if some muslims want to do the conflict. I get every points of this man. The whole world try to alienate the muslims from the non-Muslims. This includes some muslims leaders too. But trust me, vast majority of that community has nothing to do with that 'Us vs Them!' They want to be friends with that Hindu guy, they expect their salary from that Christian guy, they appreciate the teachings of Buddhism, Gita, and Bible etc. And they want to feel as a part of that large human society worldwide more than being known as just some muslim guy. Now, I am a Muslim but I want to be a human first only if you stop calling me muslim all the time!
Of course the press isn't going to put a lot of focus on the religion of an athlete. People aren't nearly as interested in what motivates a person to run fast as they are in what would motivate a person to murder other humans. As far as I can tell, there isn't a single person in the world who is looking for ways to prevent people from becoming fast runners.
What this video proves is our ancestors understood Islam as an Islamic theocracy(Islamic world) and not an equal by any stretch of the Imagination. Yes, the western world had a theocracy. Key term is, "had" we had it and didn't like it. Islam is required to form a theocracy by ALL Muslims. That is you want to be called a Muslim you MUST strive for an Islamic theocracy. That doesn't mean they have to hurt others. It means if your a Muslim you need to help bring about an Islamic theocracy (sharia) by your own means. Remember it was less then 100 years ago that they lost their theocracy after WWI (Ottoman Empire.) They ARE required to bring it back.
Ox AO I suggest that you know nothing about the history of Christianity. That is mince. The Chrisitan theocracy people 'didn't like' lasted for about 1500 years.
JRTomlinAuthor Islam is still a theocracy. Christianity evolved into what we have today. The US for example was created by nearly all theologians (not just believers but scholars in their beliefs.) Note they are also the ones that gave us the separation of church and state.
+Ox AO I will second +JRTomlinAuthor, and add that you know no more about Islam, historical or modern, than you do about Christianity. You also know nothing about the founding of America. The Founding Fathers were not "theologians" by any stretch of the imagination. No more than one or two were even ordained ministers. They were nominal Christians; but they were "men of the world", and their ideas owed far more to Enlightenment philosophy than to Christianity. They read less John Calvin and Jonathan Edwards, and more Voltaire and Rousseau. What the West calls "theocracy" did not and does not exist in Islam. No single Islamic institution has ever had the kind of power the medieval church had, not even over religion. The first time in Islamic history that religious clerics took direct charge of a government was in 1979, in Iran. Khomeini was regarded as a dangerous innovator for this idea; had it not been for the hostage crisis, he could never have rallied the support he needed to push it down the throats of the more conservative clerics who opposed him. Furthermore, modern Muslims do not want theocracy, they want democracy -- a concept which a majority of scholars agree is well-founded in the Islamic principle of shura (consultation). Remember the Arab Spring? From the Atlantic to the Persian Gulf, Muslims rose up and demanded the right to choose their own government. In Egypt, in Tahrir Square, Muslims and Christians stood guard for one another while they prayed. In America, Christians are trying to use state power to prevent Muslims from building mosques. Who better represents the separation of church (a Christian word for a Christian concept, BTW) and state?
TexasDervish said, "The Founding Fathers were not "theologians" by any stretch of the imagination." Ok. Name one from the signers of the declaration of Independence that wasn't other then Franklin, Adams, Thomas Nelson Jr. and Jefferson? Thank you
+Ox AO Signers of the Declaration of Independence who were not theologians. Extremely easy. Franklin, Adams and Jefferson were rather major 'not theologians'? Others? Richard Henry Lee, Benjamin Harrison, John Hancock, Samuel Adams, Francis Hopkinson, John Penn... That just starts the list of NON-theologians. In fact, John Witherspoon who was a theologian (or at least a clergyman) was very much the exception. Add in founding fathers such as Thomas Paine, Madison and George Washington, most were rationalists or deists and not by the most wild stretch of the imagination Christian theologians.
the religion in islam never be imposed...we must be free and belove our God.that's why ...(religion > ideology) cause ideology come from human spirit and religion is revealed by God in Islam, Allah...the only one....imposition of beleive is false...cause beleive is emanation of the soul...
The vast majority of muslims do not commit murder and violence. However a very large minority do agree that murder and violence is justified against non-believers and apostates.
No Islam does not teach murder and violence against those who choose not to believe or those who leave the faith. The verses you will most probably use to back up refer to situations against whom war is happening. Only in war, and only against those that are fighting against you (there are strict laws to war in Islam) you are allowed to fight back. Please do not let the actions of some hot headed terrorists allow you to judge a faith. Judge the faith by it's book, and read it properly with context.
His speech and analysis is very logic and correct. He talks about Muslims which majority are like every one else: for most of them, they don't even read Quran/Hadith fully... However, Islam is very problematic in a sense that 1) Quran is considered to be perfect because dictated directly from God, 2) Because of the first point, no one is allowed to criticize/question the Quran 3) If you leave Islam, Quran says you must die, If you do not convert you have die as well. And every single person on Earth MUST convert. The book is perfect, God knows everything good for Humans and it's the last religion: there won't be another religion to complete the previous ones and Muhammed is the last Profet... Therefore, it's a book for all times and space: today is not out of context regarding Quran and its standings. 4) As long as we don't talk about the previous points, Islam is a danger to every one. Because that book needs to be criticize so Muslim could start to think it's a book like Bible: it can be improved. This is what we need to talk about!
Your analysis is also very logic and correct. For the majority of muslims,, being a "muslim" myself, I often wonder am I really a muslim? Probably not, by majority of the muslims and by majority of the non-muslim. Why? TLDR; I don't take hadith as a law as Quran mentions: "So in which Hadith, other than this (Quran), do they believe?” 77:50 And many similar verses. .. 1) I believe Quran is considered to be perfect and take everything "literally". i.e. if it describes some past story or on some past event, I take that for that time. If some verses says something eternally, I take that for me. 2) So I question Quran, As it said, "We have revealed for you a book in which is a message for you. Will you not use your intelligence? " 21:10. 3) Quran says, apostates/non-believers will be punished by God, no punishment prescribed for this world. “There is no compulsion in religion” (2:256), “The Truth is from your Lord; so let him who please believe and let him who please disbelieve” (18:29). . and so on... esp when I direct verses regarding the actions that can lead to heaven or hell... its amazing... prayer, fasting etc doesn't contribute almost anything.. More shockingly, I don't consider drinking is haram.. as Allah didn't said its "haram", but certainly its discouraged. ... And so on..
I don't agree with your answer at 3) It was made very clear to from day one that apostates must die! Quran (4:89) - "They wish that you should reject faith as they reject faith, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of God; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper." Verse 4:65 says that those who have faith are in "full submission" to Muhammad's teachings. This verse explains what should happen to Muslims who do not have faith. Quran (9:11-12) - "But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion. We detail Our revelations for a people who have knowledge. And if they break their pledges after their treaty (hath been made with you) and assail your religion, then fight the heads of disbelief - Lo! they have no binding oaths - in order that they may desist." Other verses that seem to support the many Hadith that establish the death sentence for apostates are Quran verses 2:217, 9:73-74, 88:21, 5:54, 9:66. In shia there is a small difference: if you move to Christianity or Jewish community before age of 16, then you'll be considered as 2nd class citizen but you can live (the family and community reject you). However, they ask a prove of conversion to either of these 2 religions, and in that document the name of the religious person who baptize you will be in written, and that guy has to die! I did not search in Hadith nor Quran the part of the killing the priest, but this is what is happening in Iran and shia communities else where... Now I am totally ok with your way of being a Muslim, actually I have many close friends like you. However, as long as the dialog is not open and a reformed book is not officially written, we can't trust Islam and young and lost people with Muslim background who live in West, will find the actual Quran and follow it literately: We had multiple terrorist attacks in France and all of our terrorists has been "awaken" by Islam via jail or/then online websites. None of them went to a Mosque to get a religious education! This is a very dangerous fact, because right now people ask (myself included) to forbid any religious sign outdoors and many ask to close all mosques. Deep thinkers know how much the leak of freedom is dangerous for people and profitable to extremists...
Diane DeeDee Thanks for your time and detailed answer. Really appreciate it. of course we can disagree and can still continue a healthy discussion :-) Here goes my reply: > 4:90 continues: "Except those who seek refuge with a people between whom and you there is a covenant, or (those who) come unto you because their hearts forbid them to make war on you or make war on their own folk." i.e. kill them EXCEPT 1. who seek refuge, you have treaty 2. Who doesn't feel to wage war against you(muhammad) 3. Who doesn't feel to impose war on their own folk. besides, historically, this surah 4 was revealed in medina, chronological order 92 out of 114 Surah, not the very first we can see. Verse 4:65> It refers to the jews/christians according 4:64, and 65 states they won't be a believer until they take muhammd's teaching to resolves their own confusion. And muhammad's teaching is the Quran as in Quran allah repeatedly said, muhammad your job is just to convey the quran. Besides, it is judge the theological disputes, not to judge the people like said: 5.43: "And how do they make you a judge and they have the Taurat wherein is Allah's judgment? Yet they turn back after that, and these are not the believers." > And 9:13 continues: "Will ye not fight a folk who broke their solemn pledges, and *purposed to drive out the messenger and did attack you first?*" - Clearly it Allah was speaking to Muhammad on some specific event where they attacked muslims first. This is surah is the very last but one, and revealed in Medina. To me, its clear it was Allah talking to muhammad in some historical event. Quran revealed over a period of 23 years to Muhammad. So, personally I believe we need to use our sense to reason to find out which applies to us now. Regarding death sentence to apostates: > 2:17: lets break it down: "They ask you concerning the sacred month about fighting in it": clearly a historical event, people asked if they can fight in the sacred months. "Say, 'Warfare therein is a great sin'" -- First declare in general that yes, war is bad, in fact a sin. ... "[...] And they will not cease from fighting against you till they have made [...]" - aha.. there was a fight going on! So a fight was going on, sacred months came. muslims were confused if to fight or not.. then Allah orders to fight. > 9:73-74: no worldly punishment prescribed, it says, Allah will punish him. 88:21> "So remind, only you (are) a reminder." I think you misquoted, probably u meant 88:24 88:22> "You are not over them a controller," 88:23>"But whoever turns away and disbelieves," 88:24> "God will punish him with a mighty Punishment," -- again no punishment prescribed in this world 5:54> "O you who have attained to faith! If you ever abandon your faith," God will in time bring forth [in your stead] people whom He loves and who love Him - humble towards the believers," - again, no punishment prescribed in this world 9:66> "Make no excuse. Ye have disbelieved after your (confession of) belief. If We forgive a party of you, a party of you We shall punish because they have been guilty." - God can forgive few apostate, and punish few other -- BUT no punishment prescribed in this world. ---- end--- And Hadith. Even in "Sahih hadith", Muhammad clearly forbade to write it down anything but quran.. writing hadith was forbidden by him. thats why, none started writing hadith in 200 years after his death. Please let me know what do you think. I agree that we might have different views, we are human being.
So basically, the day Muslims start to kill 60% of the population in Earth (it's the so final days preached by Islam), if I want survive I have to leave my home, work, wealth to get shelter at the Muslim who want to have me prisoner at his place? By the way Muslims are not allowed to befriends non Muslims: so it's rare to find a good soul: we saw it in Iran when bahai people got attacked... What kind of acceptable argument do you believe in? I mean, would you like to loose your everything and get sheltered in a Church? The moment you leave the house you get killed! What about the others? It's ok if they die? About the ones who leave Islam, no one cares what God would do so let's focus on what Quran ask Muslims to do to these people. If you tell me that some Surate in Quran says not to kill apostates, then you just proved that Islam is full of contradiction. About the Jews and Christians, Muhammed came back to Mecca asked the Jews to convert, they said they don't wanna be part of the war and want stay in their religion: he killed them all and slaved the attractive women. Let's say we don't agree about who attacked who and leave it alone. What do you have to say about what they did to Christians in Spain, North Africa and France? I mean you can NOT deny the History. Again let's it go, I am a physicist so if I want to prove you the wars in Islam, I would need a lot of times to find good references. Islam is considered as the perfect religion, his prophet is considered to be the last one and by definition he should have a perfect personal life so people could follow his example. There is you don't agree with me, then Islam is definitely NOT a religion! If you do agree with me, then explain how the hell your God found good that girls under age can have sex? How God found good (because he knows his humans very well: it's said in Islam!!) to consider that woman's word is counted as half of the man's word? Do you know how many women die beaten by their husband every minutes? I imagine this number is much higher in Islamic countries, since it's ok to beat and rape women! Finally, how in the earth Muhammed found good to take women as wives whose brothers and husband were killed by his own hands: I mean this is exactly what ISIS does! Killing gay and a woman who sleeps with someone else than her husband? I mean a guy can do sighe or just say I made sighe sans proves with a prostitute and he's fine! He can even have 4 wives! How the hell is it right to kill a woman who sleeps with her lover (usually unique lover) instead of a husband that in most of cases she didn't pick herself... Just think and make the maths. Quran the way it is, is very violent and contains a lot of contradictions. Just look at the so called previous prophets, none of them messed up this bad! Moise had one wife, Jesus had no wife nor girlfriend and none of them killed anyone by their own hands. You think they didn't had enemies? My gosh you are very naive! I don't know where you live, but there is an experience you can do all alone and get some interesting conclusions: imagine Christians decide to convert the whole world (today they have the technology and their number is bigger than Muslims!), and they apply exactly what you wrote up there. Just think what each surate would mean in your everyday life, then figure out if you would like to be treated like this... If you do, then we're good because you would accept that West sells weapons to Middle Est so Muslims kill each other. If you are not ok with that for yourself, then you have 2 choices: leave the religion or start to do something about your community and the official Quran. Because lately what Western see when they meet a hijabi woman, we see the surate of Quran commanding to kill us if we don't convert. And Islam is not on the same page as our vision of life, so conversion is not possible. See the problem?
Perhaps my last comment wasn't clear, sorry for for poor english, . Let me try one more time replying to your comment line by line. > So basically, t he day Muslims start to kill 60% of the population in Earth (it's the so final days preached by Islam) - Quran doesn't say so, which Islam peaches that? there are many sects and sub-sects in Islam, like Sunni, Shia, Salafi, Ahmedia, Kadiani, etc etc. > if I want survive I have to leave my home, work, wealth to get shelter at the Muslim who want to have me prisoner at his place? - 4:90 says (please see in my last reply): fighting those who doesn't want to fight is prohibited. > By the way Muslims are not allowed to befriends non Muslims: - How it can be when in Quran muslims are allowed marry non-muslims at least jews/christians? However, for your reference actually in the Quran (5:51, 5:57, 4:139, 60:13) God said don't make non-muslim as a allies but only some translators translated as friends... friend is *habibi* in arabic but *Awliyaa* is the word in these verses. Besides, those verses were directed to muhammad on some historic event when muslims were in fight with non-muslims. Perhaps you know that at the time there was only two sides - muslims and kafirs/non-muslims. > so it's rare to find a good soul - Agreed, yet thanks that you said 'rare' but not 'impossible' :-) > we saw it in Iran when bahai people got attacked... What kind of acceptable argument do you believe in? [...] It's ok if they die? - never its ok, its horrible, and I mentioned in my last reply it is not permissible in Quranic verses. > About the ones who leave Islam [...] let's focus on what *Quran* ask Muslims to do to these people - Right, lets focus on Quran ask Muslims to do.. again, I showed in my last comment, quran asks the muslims to do nothing to the apostates. If some group does, its *against Quran*, right? > If you tell me that some Surate in Quran says not to kill apostates, then you just proved that Islam is full of contradiction. - Islam we see now mostly, is *certainly contradictory* with Quran. But did you accept that Quran syas not to kill the apostates? > About the Jews and Christians, Muhammed came back to Mecca asked the Jews to convert, they said they don't wanna be part of the war and want stay in their religion: he killed them all and slaved the attractive women. - Perhaps you meant not Mecca, but a tribe near median, right? Whatever might be the case, this horrible, horrendous and abominable. But Hadith collection was started around 200 years after muhammad's death and muhammad himself forbad not collect hadith. And the funny chain of narrations which is not acceptable to any academic historians. You can believe this, many muslims believes this - but many muslims, including me, doesn't take it as a law in Islam. But, *do you agree that such things contradicts with quran?* > What do you have to say about what they did to Christians in Spain, North Africa and France? - Muslims did this - true, but question is, did it contradict Quran? > I mean you can NOT deny the History. - Not at all, neither deny the burning present :-( Muslims are killing innocent people in the name of Islam. My question is, is it permissible in Quran? > I am a physicist so if I want to prove you the wars in Islam, I would need a lot of times to find good references. - I am a Quran only muslim i.e. take religions obligations only from Quran. So, you can limit your time to find only in Quranic reference. > Islam is considered as the perfect religion, - Literal meaning of Islam is "peace". Just peace, "not peace by submitting your will to Allah and his messenger" that most muslims say. > by definition he should have a perfect personal life so people could follow his example. - Who defined this? isn't he a normal human being like u and me? So, he can have flaws. Even if you take hadith as history, muhammad himself said, even he cannot go to paradise w/o god's grace/special mercy. He himself said, every human being is touched by devil (except jesus and marrry ) > There is you don't agree with me, then Islam is definitely NOT a religion! - Definitely NOT, The Islam - the religion we see in the media, in most muslim practice, and in ISIS is definitely NOT a religion by Quran. > If you do agree with me, then explain how the hell your God found good that girls under age can have sex? - Where in Quran Allah said so? > [...] to consider that woman's word is counted as half of the man's word? - In Quran 2:228, only for financial transactions it is mentioned and only because as it is said, "If one is confused/makes an err (Tazil), other can correct". In all other cases like in divorce, in court (24:4), making wills(5:106, 65:2, ) etc they are equal. 24:6 even says, a single women witness is also accepted. Besides, that time most women were hardly doing any financial stuff, they are mostly bound to house works. So Allah prescribed two women so they can help each other. > Do you know how many women die beaten by their husband every minutes? I imagine this number is much higher in Islamic countries, - I agree, but is it approved by Quran? > since it's ok to beat and rape women! - rape!? Where?! beating: probably you'd refer 4:34, but do you know, the word beat "Idribuhun" in this verse has another meaning i.e. "separate"? This meaning of that arabic is found in many other Quranic verses. the word "Nushooz" often translated as "disloyalty/ill-conduct" has another meaning "leave/desert" as found in other quranic verses? > Finally, how in the earth [...] - If one takes Hadith take as historical fact(which not historian counts) as the source of law in Islam (which Quran forbades), then I agree with you that whatever ISIS is doing is islamic. > Just think and make the maths. Quran the way it is, is very violent and contains a lot of contradictions. - Which contradiction you mean? in quran? or Quran vs Hadith? Quran vs Hadith has lots of contradictions. > Just look at the so called previous prophets, none of them messed up this bad! [...] - In Quran, yes none of the prophets messed up. But, with due respect, according to Bible: - Moses made ethnic cleansing(Numbers 21:35), - Moses killed (Numbers 31:17-18) every men, children and married women, took virgins as captive - Judah killed 10000 in the land of Canaanites and the Perizzites - Barak killed all the Canaanites - David killed 200 men just for a wife - Samson, Elijah, Jephthah, Jehu, Joshua etc read their story in Bible.. they did massacres. - David had 6 wives, many concubines - Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines > then you have 2 choices: [...] - My choice is to follow the Quran. It don't even prescribe any punishment if I don't pray or fast. It says, anyone who believes on God, do good and preach good can attain salvation. In Quran, I find a minimalist religion. Funny right? But probably due the cultural background of middle east, they can't conceive that.. they want rule. And Islam is, unfortunately defined not by Quran, but by them. Finally, who can tell other than Quran what is the religion? Who has the authority to tell or not tell if someone is muslim? According to World Christian Encyclopedia, there are around *21000 denominations*, who knows who are real christians? which denomination was followed by Jesus? Catholics have 7 more books than the protestants have in the bible, who are right? Same goes to Islam. No ones knows, which "version" of Islam is correct. But choose to adhere to the peaceful version that I find in Quran. -- end -- Now that you know that I share many values like you do, yet I am a muslim, can I be taken as a friend of you or any westerners? Perhaps not :(, my daughter will be still called as terrorist moslem.. :-( whatever.. but one thing I know for sure.. that we can have a beer together!! if you ever visit Hamburg, Germany, let me know. Beer is really good here. Perhaps you may also like to meet my wife and daughter (don't worry, they don't wear hijab ;) ), you are always welcome :-) ( I won't kill you, promise :D )
i say u are completely wrong the word islam is derived from el Salam which means peace..terrorism is another subject of politics there is no relation between any religion in the world and terrorists work and all the crimes that are happening in todays world.
This man is obviously NOT Charlie. He is doing islamic terrorists a huge favor. I hope he doesn't have children, because if we keep this Western masochistic song and dance, future generations are all but fucked. #jesuischarlie
+POLITICALLYSTUPID For the millionth time, islam is not a race. Are you capable of comprehending this very basic fact? "Charlie is a racist bigot" Right. So you're essentially saying that people who mock religion (including islam) deserve to be murdered point blank. You are the lowest of the low.
Mr neural bible Muslims are not treat to the world neither to any person that is different from him or her. I would suggest that watch this video one more i think u will get the massage, if u didn't then I feel sorry for you.
Its not about words its about deeds.... actualy because of political correctness many words are not allowed so Muslims wouldnt be offended..... ask Obama
Religiousness isn't a newsworthy or praiseworthy trait in a secular society. Why should people have to be force-fed information about a foreign faith or the value that someone sees in such a faith unless people specifically want to (in which case there are ways to learn it)? A secular society won't feed its people with religious propaganda. Oh, and before someone says, what about Christianity, Christianity is a domestic legacy, not a foreign religion, one can't compare apples and oranges...
A : He is Isolating individual extreme cases in the media to illicit bias reaction. B: It is not the media that tag Muslims. Muslims do this themselves, it is their overriding marker. Other religious groups do not label themselves so fervently . Overall, the British media reflect the views of the British people. Hinduism for example does not receive bad press as their is less conflict generated by that religious group. Fear is caused by the teachings of the Koran...read it's passages about apostasy. Are you not afraid?
+Robert Kennedy he, actually them (it's a large group of scientists, or smart women and men of academic & itellectual pedigree ), did everything opposite of what you are implying ! and he is world renown academician and intellectual, while you are CZcams Islamophobic troll, so...
One Muslim greats another Muslim, Good Day, how are you? Today is a great day says Allah. Wack off comes his head. Allah never spoke to him says the other Muslim.
interesting but to put it into context you need a baseline, something to compare this data to. I suggest your baseline be the Jews (and or Israel) in the Muslim press
@@jproductions4887 He was analyzing the repsentation of Islam and Muslims in the UK press. That was the point of the research. So it'd make more sense to compare it to the coverage of Christians or Jews in the UK press. Either way, the point still stands; we shouldn't use intolerant language and we should be aware of how effective our language is
Finally this Great courageous human being who is a non Muslim stands up against the press/media for their unfair attitude towards Muslims.
While our muslim scholars are taking apologetic stance.
Why when a muslim does some thing good his identity is only his name. But when a muslim does a bad thing his identity is his religion.
My respects to your courage to speak truth Sir.
He is a Muslim
We Muslims don't have intellectual and academic as leaders or head of state more over Muslims countries not United as EU nor they understand that until now. That is sad part of our 57 Muslim countries. If they are United and contain the internal conflicts and grievances as one nation. Education institution free for at least for Muslims instead spending on arms and ammunition....... Peace and harmony will prevail.... Otherwise conflicts will continue till the day of judgement......
@@kevinm3337Thank you for your information, still my respects to this great man....
@@ayaat-ur-rahman6120 Saudi Arabia is powerhouse for Islam. I Did not find any Muslims that alienate from Saudi Arabia. Any! So all muslims agreed of law in Saudi Arabia. Sorry, but I dont want to live in that kind of country. And they are real muslims, right?
@@Santor6 No they aren't lol. They are a joke, me and my mates call them " the most Defile people on the purest land "
اللَّهُمَّ اسْتُرْ عَوْرَاتِنَا وَآمِنْ رَوْعَاتِنَا
"O Allah, save our honour and remove the fear and keep us safe
آمين يا رب العالمين
Did he answer your prayer?
honor is not important
@@graysmith3322 it's important to us
@@zeinabbmohammadd Honor is pride in a a pretty disguise . allah does not reward prideful people
I think McEnery dealt with that in his presentation, saying that even when the media talk about 'good' things Muslims do (e.g., Mo Farah), they don't highlight their religiousness, whilst 'Islamist' tends to appear in the header of an Afghani car bomb news. I would also add that I have never found press speaking about 'Christianist' terrorism, nor linking Bush's, Obama's, Blair's, Cameron's, etc's acts of terror with the religion they identify with.
Dear world, did you know Jesus(pbuh) is one of the greatest people to have lived according to The Qur'an, and his mother Mary is regarded as the epitome of women to have ever lived? There is even a chapter in the Qur'an dedicated to her? Names as Noah, Adam, Jonas, Solomon, Lot, and Abraham (pbut) are also found in the Qur'an. Investigate :)
Yeah, and the names are often similar (Lot = Lut, Satan = Shaytan, etc.) but sometimes they're really different (Jesus = Isa). It's really interesting to see which ones are similar and which are different and compare them.
In Arabic we say Issa but in Aramaic & old greek his name Isso :)
+e wah
You are the epitome of self-delusional islam, pretending to "admire" other faiths while your much more orthodox brothers gun everyone down. The world is on to you.
Outdoor Mirrorist dude can't u read properly? she/he gave u information your brain didn't have before and I think doesn't have the capacity to understand what they said! chill and please I beg u to TRY to understand and if u are incapable of doing that that shut your shitty mouth!
Jesus was a prophet like Muhammad, they were both outstanding prophets! But we are Muhammad's com(nation i guess) so in the LastDay every prophet will represent his nation, so in that kind of perspective Muhammad will be our representative. And In the QUR'AN his footsteps are like a guide to all of us, and it's not just like "look i gave you instructions and you follow them because i say so" it's explained a dozen of times Why he did that thing or the other... so because i am from Muhammad's com, like are u, i think Mohammad is the guidance i need ,and of course with the help and love of Allah,to walk on the correct path, path towards him and Allah and all the other prophets. Thanks for reading my reply
I am a muslim. I am a human.♥
peace♥
I as a muslim i never understand why all this hate from ppl who even dont know who we are and what is islam . never in my town or my country tought that violence is something acceptable.more over never in quran or in any thing about mohamed sws been promoting violence if there is so it s in a contest of that periode of time and those events 1400 ago . islam is a way of living yet its true that culture does influence some extrimiste thinking about islam .i ve never understand why westners blame muslims all the time ,for 9 11 for exemple when it happened they said muslims did it and so we became teroristes after 10 years from that its been comfirmed by some celebrities and investagater associations that it was an inside job !! I mean IRAQ AFGANISTAN ..... Were demolished ppl died by millions And the liste is long . and so continues all the wars and human crimes in the name of islam to serve America's and israel political consparensies. We all have minds and conscience but i still dont understand why are most of ppl still blinded by false news and lies about islam . so ppl do read understand the quran and than judge . peace be upon all the humanity
+mocco1986 Remember that not all objections to Islam are out of hate or fear. As an ideology I feel that Islam, like all religions, fail in their portrayal of reality. Even if no religious person had ever committed a single act of violence, the act of perpetuating false realities based on superstitions is an error that should be corrected.
Now does that mean all religious people need to hand in their holy books, no of course not. However I believe in the continual push toward secularism and reason grounded in objective, verifiable realities. Islam tells you to behave, great, but goodness is not inherit to Islam, nor is it the only place that it is found, you can be good for the sake of being good without the threat of hell, or the promise of paradise.
I hear your call to not conflate the violent acts of some with the Islam as a whole. But religion in the 21st century is a poor map to follow no matter how benign, so please be mindful not to conflate all objections to Islam as bigotry.
+mocco1986 One problem, Allah and God are not there, presume that. Why all this is happening? Probably not good education about the human history...If there really was a God or some Allah, there must be a reason. Why nobody can tell that? Don't start with the Quran and the Bible, that are man made books. So what is left> man made believe, "maybe" i can save my self when i believe. Maybe is not working, evidence does...
+mocco1986
I was about to write a lengthy reply, but then i read this:
"never in quran or in any thing about mohamed sws been promoting violence"
I immediately realized that anything I wrote, no matter how reasonable (including these very words) would be a complete waste of time, because you are either completely delusional, lying through your teeth or ignorant of the very faith you claim to follow.
And then there's your English...
#manyriverstocross
+mocco1986 Fear is caused by the teachings of the Koran...read it's passages about apostasy. Are you not afraid?
we love Muslims , we hate evil teachings of islam
Brilliant talk.
Full respect to the professor.
Thank you so much! I read your co-authored paper on this topic. The presentation is as interesting as the paper. Thank you, Dr. McEnery!
Isn't it mindboggling how one study result can lure out comments filled with hatred towards something they probably never even study themselves :)
Read.
This man is honest and extremely courageous and can speak the truth against popularismh
I'm extremely glad that I was not the only one analyzing these news which would always portrait us muslims as the wrong doers no matter whether we are the victims or the "bad ones". And noticing how they only emphasized the religious belief when it comes to a so-called muslim doing something bad.
yusra farih. : I'm sure that's true in a lot of cases though, of course, the opposite happened in the Rotherham case.
Now this is an excellent talk.
Excellent for muslims.
omg this man is so intelligent
This guy is way off the mark with his answer for the Muslim athlete who's religious belief was only mentioned 23 times in the press upon his winning a gold medal. When does the press ever mention someone's religious preference when they win a gold medal? Hardly ever and why should they? Religion has nothing to do with athletics. But, here it is used to express a bias against Muslims when actually they are being treated just like everybody else.
Also, he doesn't know that it is the Muslims who invented the concept of 'the Muslim world'. More specifically, a highly regarded Imam and jurist, Abu Hanifa, 699 to 767 AD, the century after the death of Muhammid, coined the terms Dar al-Islam, the house of Islam and Dar al-Harb, the house of war. These divide the world into the part that has submitted to Islam and is ruled by a Muslim theocracy and Muslim law or Sharia and the rest of the world that is yet to be conquered. But, this is overlooked again to make Muslims look like victims when Islam and its agenda to convert the whole world to Sharia is the aggressive ideology.
This false blaming of the violent consequences from the constant spread of Islamofascism on western press, culture, colonization, ignorance or Islamophobia needs to stop. Rather the conversation needs to change to address the actual problems such as:
There is no golden rule for unbelievers in Islam - that is a problem.
Islam teaches that god hates the unbeliever and a good Muslim should too -that Is a problem.
Islam teaches it is superior to all other religions - that is a problem.
Islam refuses to be criticized - that is a problem.
Isam teaches that it has all the answers for every aspect of life - that is a problem.
Islam teaches that drawing pictures of Muhammid is idolatry - that is a problem.
Islam has blasphemy laws - that is a problem.
Anyone who brings up these problems with Islam is a racist, a bigot or has a bad case of Islamophobia - THAT IS THE PROBLEM!
I'm sure you'd be welcome to bring those things up. It just depends how you being it up. I doubt anyone would be against having a calm intellectual conversation about it
Very Inspiring
Such a nice informative and honest presentation thank you professor
I am muslim, loving and caring person towards to everyone. It is my nature and culture that I am friendly person. But because of media and 9-11 it makes being muslim is hard, even if don't wear hijab. I have so many experience that I have to hesitate to say that ,I am muslim. I think it is very ,exteremly unfair to loving and caring muslim either wearing hijab or not. Who can change this attitude towards muslim, it is politicians and media, and teachers, I hope people understand Islam better rather than listening to media. God bless you all.
Yes, I hope like that to, people must be understand about Islam not just listening or wach on media.
Excellent, honest and intelligent speaker
Much respect!
Data can’t lie, the truth will always prevail over falsehood, excellent research, professor!
Assalamu alaikum professor Tony for your service to humanity and Muslim world by integration with the rest of the world May you be rewarded by the lord God almighty Allah for. Propagating Truth about ISLAM and Muslim world.stay blessed . PEACE.
Thank you Professor!
Well said, he’s hit the nail on head!
Excellent and justified review.
Excellent talk..👏👏👏
Much respect for you sir
Not [TASTY] for wild keyboard warriors, deal with it guys: you can't avoid the truth.
Great Presentation, shame it was short.
Alhamdulillah. Well spoken.
Hello Professor Tony McEnery! My name is Princess Vera Petrovna Svechina. I was born in the USSR in the Soviet Imperial family with title Kronprincess. My biological grandmother and her biological father are inspired great revolutionary names LENIN and STALIN. I never been to Arabic countries, but I lived in Tokyo and SF. I'm film maker and writer and I wanted to ask your advise. In 1973 in NY for my Gemini zodiac birthday, Japanese Americans in the USA build The World trade center. The Twin Towers. I call them the GEMINI towers, because they were build for my birthday celebrations and for my wedding! When I was in film school in SF I didn't know that. In 2001 there is was terrorist attack in NY. I was sad, for people in NY, many of them died, but I count imagine that, the attack could be related to me personally and to my parents from the USSR, that never traveled abroad. In 2009, when Obama became the president of the USA, I was attacked in my apt. in SF, by some secret service and they accused me in making terrorism in NY and also in killing Princess DIANA 1997 in Paris. Of course I could never be guilty in that, because 1. I love the Gemini towers, for my birthday in 1973 in NY. They were very beautiful. 2. Princess Diana and Prince Charles were my fans, and named their children in my honor: WH - WERA НЕВЕСТA. (Prince William and Prince Henry). Because I planed to get married, even I didn't know who is my fiance. In 1899 in Russia, in my honor was created opera the TSARS BRIDE. I went to police and FBI. in SF in NY in Seattle, I made reports, but I couldn't find any help or support. The secret service (I dont know from what country that secret service was - it could be Russia or USA or Ukraine, the Ukrainian embassy just moved near my apt. in down town SF recently) made that I couldn't stay in my apt. where I loved since 1997, and I didn't plan to move out, I was working on my personal books and films.. But I was very scared and I stopped working and I couldn't pay rent anymore, I left my things in SF storage (200$ a month) and I came back to Russia to find out what is going one. In Russia - my family is still a secret family. Officially were arent exist. Monarchy in Russia finished in 1917. For me and my family the USSR took from JAPAN the IV Kuril islands, so we can live there with our titles and dont bother anyone, but Soviet and Russian Government still haven't got to this point to tell about that to my family and to move us to my private islands. (I would love to go live on my private IV Kuril islands!) My parents and I didn't know about TSAR NIKOLAY II, LENIN, STALIN being with my family - through all the USSR time and since 1991. Russian police also doesn't know that and they cant help me. (I found out by making my own investigation) I went to SAUDI Arabian Embassy and I wrote a letter to Prince Muhammed, about what happened in SF - I was wrongfully accused of making terrorism in NY, bitten up severely and I had to sale my belongings cheaply, my "Last train from Roppongi" film museum that I was collecting for 15 years in Japan, was destroyed same as my Apple computer MacBookPro. But I didn't get the answer from The SAUDI ARABIA. Then I called British Embassy and I said what happened in SF: I was wrongfully accused by some secret service that I killed Princess DIANA, I was bitten up severely and I lost a lot of my very important things that I collected since College in SF and I lost my $, paying for storage. The secret service is still harassing me! WHAT SHOULD I DO? I didn't get any answer either. WHAT WOULD YOU RECOMMEND ME TO DO? The damage done to my life by that attack in 2009 in SF is huge and I dont know how myself I can get back to my normal life. Police in Seattle said that attempt to kill me in SF 2009 was prepared for more then 10 years. My things are still in SF. I had to borrow money from the bank to pay for storage....I still cant work - I planed to sale my "LAST TRAIN FROM ROPPONGI" book and film: "The Education of a Princess" - about my life in Japan and about my film making education in SF USA, but my head was damaged by the attack of secret service and Im coming back very slowly. Calling to the USA embassy also doesn't help. They dont want to listen to me. Because 2001 The USA President Bush - didn't say that The GEMINI towers were build in the time of COLD WAR for my birthday (I was born with title Princess in the USSR), because it would make Russian President Putin move fast and give me my IV Kuril islands property, because I'm the TSARS BRIDE, but Vladimir Putin didn't want to do that, even I have documents from Boris Elzin that I own that IV Kuril islands. Since 1999 - my first trip to Cannes film festival, Vladimir Putin used people that live in my home town to organise attempt to kill me in SF 2009! I have evidence of that. I found out that since 1983 they have been killing my relatives hoping I never get my "LAST TRAIN FROM ROPPONGI" book and film made. There is also few great corporations that have to pay me salary and didn't yet, are involved. Writing to Putin and Medvedev in Russia - is also same - I didn't get any answer. I continue my investigation about my family, and about my relations to the Arabic countries. I found out that I inspired the "1001 night" tale and HIJAB means, friendly: "Hello, FROG!"! - that is addressed to personally me! There is famous Russian fairytale "TSAREVNA FROG", long time ago inspired by my birth in the USSR 1973 (DNA). My imperial birthday is 5 June - The world environmental day! I could easy fall in love with the Arabic world! But some body hates that idea, and they made terrorism in NY in 2001. Now, how I can get them to answer me - I dont know. Since 2009 I dont have money to buy new APPLE computer, same as was broken, when I was attacked in SF - THE MACBOOKPRO! I haven't got married (I didn't even found who is my fiance yet) and I still dont have children (I'm really 100% healthy). I found out that is happening, because Putin Medvedev and Brin Sergey stole already some of my inheritance and time, behind my back, to them selves and wanted more. Attempt to kill me happened in SF. I think they hoped I want survive that secret service attack, they started to occupy my IV private Kuril islands. Without telling anything to people in Russia about me and my family. They hoped to kill all of my family in Russia by 2012. Killed many of my relatives in Russia. Sergey Brin started GOOGLE 1998 and got with it in the Apple logo, that was created 1977 from my photo. He and Google uses me my family for Android logo - the Frog is green and Android logo is Green...But Google, Android and Sergey Brin (also from the USSR) doesnt have relation to The TSAREVNA FROG...= Google just abuses me and my family from the USSR. I didn't get salary from Apple for the APPLE logo, the time was 1999, when I was in film school in SF, and then I was attacked in 2009 in SF with proposal to commit suicide, when STEVE JOBS was dying. I'm very shocked! Now for 10 years: I dont have any $ to take care of myself and my mother (I didnt work since I was attacked 2009) and I dont have lawyer!
What are those western values . Western values keep changing . Is it capitalism o is it communism . is it puritan or the exact opposite ,
No sir, those persons you speak of are not Christians for Christianity is a religion of peace just as Islam is.
Linda sorry but you should Read bible sister ...and is not peace , Islam Always peace religion and only religion that is Logical
Great speech..
Why is this video getting stuck for every on minute I watch?Does it happen to anyone else?
Muhammad Muzzammil yeah same with me
Let's also move from "tolerance" to ACCEPTING people of all spiritual traditions/practices.
TheSeductiveArts
Essentially by being an atheist that philosophically takes accepting religion off the table. Leaving you with basically just opposition and tolerance (assuming there is no in betweens and is not on a spectrum.).
So out of the two, you find less conflict in tolerance in full knowledge that there is a potential third choice in acceptance that you can't take due to your philosophy.
I also agree with your sentiment, acceptance isn't wholly good. There are things in this world that are unacceptable and just as many things that are intolerable.
I guess you can partially accept something you can accept that murder and rape will always happen but never tolerate an act of it, opposing it instead by punishing it an mitigating both acts damage.
TheSeductiveArts Your comment about "tolerating" just went out the window when you said that religious peoples beliefs are "stupid" and "a fairy tale". Please don't let your ignorance shine through its really an ugly trait.
Adrianne Avenicci
Umm your comment about "ignorance" flew right out the window when you displayed that you didn't really read Art's comment.
They where trying to say you can be both. Jokes.
This is probably a semantic issue TBH your definition of tolerance might be different to others. My definition of tolerance is, holding your tongue gritting your teeth out of an avoidance of conflict or a sense of respect for the sanctity of other ideas despite detesting them.
You have to remember sometimes there will be things that are unforgivable. Things that even a normally tolerant person will have to oppose. You can have varies tolerance to different things.
P.S You where totally killed by vampires in my last play-through. And I am touched that you added me to your last will and testament. While I'm a little perplexed as to why. As our only interaction was me selling you 10 barely enchanted iron daggers and a multitude of rings. Either way I am grateful you thought of me.
BEING GOOD PERSON IS LIKE THIS GENTELMAN;HONESTY WITH SWEET HURT
ACCEPTANCE IS; a transcendent state/property of Big Mind & Big Heart. Is just "tolerance" for others working for us even as individuals?
It's imperative that we change our ways of relating to each other; the status quo: Homo Homini Lupus, is glaringly evident.
If this guy represents all the non-Muslims out there, there would be no conflict at all even if some muslims want to do the conflict. I get every points of this man. The whole world try to alienate the muslims from the non-Muslims. This includes some muslims leaders too. But trust me, vast majority of that community has nothing to do with that 'Us vs Them!' They want to be friends with that Hindu guy, they expect their salary from that Christian guy, they appreciate the teachings of Buddhism, Gita, and Bible etc. And they want to feel as a part of that large human society worldwide more than being known as just some muslim guy. Now, I am a Muslim but I want to be a human first only if you stop calling me muslim all the time!
Thank you.
Of course the press isn't going to put a lot of focus on the religion of an athlete. People aren't nearly as interested in what motivates a person to run fast as they are in what would motivate a person to murder other humans. As far as I can tell, there isn't a single person in the world who is looking for ways to prevent people from becoming fast runners.
Beautiful.
this guy is The Doctor confirmed
I think economics is worse than politics or religion.
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"Asian" and "community relations" is not enough, let's invent more euphemisms!
Good job
What this video proves is our ancestors understood Islam as an Islamic theocracy(Islamic world) and not an equal by any stretch of the Imagination.
Yes, the western world had a theocracy. Key term is, "had" we had it and didn't like it. Islam is required to form a theocracy by ALL Muslims.
That is you want to be called a Muslim you MUST strive for an Islamic theocracy.
That doesn't mean they have to hurt others. It means if your a Muslim you need to help bring about an Islamic theocracy (sharia) by your own means.
Remember it was less then 100 years ago that they lost their theocracy after WWI (Ottoman Empire.) They ARE required to bring it back.
Ox AO I suggest that you know nothing about the history of Christianity. That is mince. The Chrisitan theocracy people 'didn't like' lasted for about 1500 years.
JRTomlinAuthor Islam is still a theocracy. Christianity evolved into what we have today. The US for example was created by nearly all theologians (not just believers but scholars in their beliefs.) Note they are also the ones that gave us the separation of church and state.
+Ox AO I will second +JRTomlinAuthor, and add that you know no more about Islam, historical or modern, than you do about Christianity. You also know nothing about the founding of America. The Founding Fathers were not "theologians" by any stretch of the imagination. No more than one or two were even ordained ministers. They were nominal Christians; but they were "men of the world", and their ideas owed far more to Enlightenment philosophy than to Christianity. They read less John Calvin and Jonathan Edwards, and more Voltaire and Rousseau.
What the West calls "theocracy" did not and does not exist in Islam. No single Islamic institution has ever had the kind of power the medieval church had, not even over religion. The first time in Islamic history that religious clerics took direct charge of a government was in 1979, in Iran. Khomeini was regarded as a dangerous innovator for this idea; had it not been for the hostage crisis, he could never have rallied the support he needed to push it down the throats of the more conservative clerics who opposed him.
Furthermore, modern Muslims do not want theocracy, they want democracy -- a concept which a majority of scholars agree is well-founded in the Islamic principle of shura (consultation). Remember the Arab Spring? From the Atlantic to the Persian Gulf, Muslims rose up and demanded the right to choose their own government. In Egypt, in Tahrir Square, Muslims and Christians stood guard for one another while they prayed. In America, Christians are trying to use state power to prevent Muslims from building mosques. Who better represents the separation of church (a Christian word for a Christian concept, BTW) and state?
TexasDervish
said, "The Founding Fathers were not "theologians" by any stretch of the imagination."
Ok. Name one from the signers of the declaration of Independence that wasn't other then Franklin, Adams, Thomas Nelson Jr.
and Jefferson?
Thank you
+Ox AO Signers of the Declaration of Independence who were not theologians. Extremely easy. Franklin, Adams and Jefferson were rather major 'not theologians'? Others? Richard Henry Lee, Benjamin Harrison, John Hancock, Samuel Adams, Francis Hopkinson, John Penn... That just starts the list of NON-theologians. In fact, John Witherspoon who was a theologian (or at least a clergyman) was very much the exception. Add in founding fathers such as Thomas Paine, Madison and George Washington, most were rationalists or deists and not by the most wild stretch of the imagination Christian theologians.
the religion in islam never be imposed...we must be free and belove our God.that's why ...(religion > ideology) cause ideology come from human spirit and religion is revealed by God in Islam, Allah...the only one....imposition of beleive is false...cause beleive is emanation of the soul...
excellent.
The vast majority of muslims do not commit murder and violence. However a very large minority do agree that murder and violence is justified against non-believers and apostates.
No Islam does not teach murder and violence against those who choose not to believe or those who leave the faith. The verses you will most probably use to back up refer to situations against whom war is happening. Only in war, and only against those that are fighting against you (there are strict laws to war in Islam) you are allowed to fight back. Please do not let the actions of some hot headed terrorists allow you to judge a faith. Judge the faith by it's book, and read it properly with context.
Articulate linguist.. amazing.
His speech and analysis is very logic and correct. He talks about Muslims which majority are like every one else: for most of them, they don't even read Quran/Hadith fully... However, Islam is very problematic in a sense that 1) Quran is considered to be perfect because dictated directly from God, 2) Because of the first point, no one is allowed to criticize/question the Quran 3) If you leave Islam, Quran says you must die, If you do not convert you have die as well. And every single person on Earth MUST convert. The book is perfect, God knows everything good for Humans and it's the last religion: there won't be another religion to complete the previous ones and Muhammed is the last Profet... Therefore, it's a book for all times and space: today is not out of context regarding Quran and its standings. 4) As long as we don't talk about the previous points, Islam is a danger to every one. Because that book needs to be criticize so Muslim could start to think it's a book like Bible: it can be improved. This is what we need to talk about!
Your analysis is also very logic and correct. For the majority of muslims,, being a "muslim" myself, I often wonder am I really a muslim?
Probably not, by majority of the muslims and by majority of the non-muslim. Why?
TLDR; I don't take hadith as a law as Quran mentions:
"So in which Hadith, other than this (Quran), do they believe?” 77:50
And many similar verses.
.. 1) I believe Quran is considered to be perfect and take everything "literally". i.e. if it describes some past story or on some past event, I take that for that time. If some verses says something eternally, I take that for me.
2) So I question Quran, As it said, "We have revealed for you a book in which is a message for you. Will you not use your intelligence? " 21:10.
3) Quran says, apostates/non-believers will be punished by God, no punishment prescribed for this world.
“There is no compulsion in religion” (2:256),
“The Truth is from your Lord; so let him who please believe and let him who please disbelieve” (18:29).
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and so on... esp when I direct verses regarding the actions that can lead to heaven or hell... its amazing... prayer, fasting etc doesn't contribute almost anything..
More shockingly, I don't consider drinking is haram.. as Allah didn't said its "haram", but certainly its discouraged.
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And so on..
I don't agree with your answer at 3) It was made very clear to from day one that apostates must die! Quran (4:89) - "They wish that you should reject faith as they reject faith, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of God; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper." Verse 4:65 says that those who have faith are in "full submission" to Muhammad's teachings. This verse explains what should happen to Muslims who do not have faith.
Quran (9:11-12) - "But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion. We detail Our revelations for a people who have knowledge. And if they break their pledges after their treaty (hath been made with you) and assail your religion, then fight the heads of disbelief - Lo! they have no binding oaths - in order that they may desist."
Other verses that seem to support the many Hadith that establish the death sentence for apostates are Quran verses 2:217, 9:73-74, 88:21, 5:54, 9:66.
In shia there is a small difference: if you move to Christianity or Jewish community before age of 16, then you'll be considered as 2nd class citizen but you can live (the family and community reject you). However, they ask a prove of conversion to either of these 2 religions, and in that document the name of the religious person who baptize you will be in written, and that guy has to die! I did not search in Hadith nor Quran the part of the killing the priest, but this is what is happening in Iran and shia communities else where... Now I am totally ok with your way of being a Muslim, actually I have many close friends like you. However, as long as the dialog is not open and a reformed book is not officially written, we can't trust Islam and young and lost people with Muslim background who live in West, will find the actual Quran and follow it literately: We had multiple terrorist attacks in France and all of our terrorists has been "awaken" by Islam via jail or/then online websites. None of them went to a Mosque to get a religious education! This is a very dangerous fact, because right now people ask (myself included) to forbid any religious sign outdoors and many ask to close all mosques. Deep thinkers know how much the leak of freedom is dangerous for people and profitable to extremists...
Diane DeeDee Thanks for your time and detailed answer. Really appreciate it. of course we can disagree and can still continue a healthy discussion :-)
Here goes my reply:
> 4:90 continues: "Except those who seek refuge with a people between whom and you there is a covenant, or (those who) come unto you because their hearts forbid them to make war on you or make war on their own folk."
i.e. kill them EXCEPT
1. who seek refuge, you have treaty
2. Who doesn't feel to wage war against you(muhammad)
3. Who doesn't feel to impose war on their own folk.
besides, historically, this surah 4 was revealed in medina, chronological order 92 out of 114 Surah, not the very first we can see.
Verse 4:65> It refers to the jews/christians according 4:64, and 65 states they won't be a believer until they take muhammd's teaching to resolves their own confusion.
And muhammad's teaching is the Quran as in Quran allah repeatedly said, muhammad your job is just to convey the quran.
Besides, it is judge the theological disputes, not to judge the people like said:
5.43: "And how do they make you a judge and they have the Taurat wherein is Allah's judgment? Yet they turn back after that, and these are not the believers."
> And 9:13 continues: "Will ye not fight a folk who broke their solemn pledges, and *purposed to drive out the messenger and did attack you first?*"
- Clearly it Allah was speaking to Muhammad on some specific event where they attacked muslims first.
This is surah is the very last but one, and revealed in Medina.
To me, its clear it was Allah talking to muhammad in some historical event.
Quran revealed over a period of 23 years to Muhammad. So, personally I believe we need to use our sense to reason to find out which applies to us now.
Regarding death sentence to apostates:
> 2:17: lets break it down:
"They ask you concerning the sacred month about fighting in it":
clearly a historical event, people asked if they can fight in the sacred months.
"Say, 'Warfare therein is a great sin'" -- First declare in general that yes, war is bad, in fact a sin.
...
"[...] And they will not cease from fighting against you till they have made [...]"
- aha.. there was a fight going on! So a fight was going on, sacred months came. muslims were confused if to fight or not.. then Allah orders to fight.
> 9:73-74: no worldly punishment prescribed, it says, Allah will punish him.
88:21> "So remind, only you (are) a reminder." I think you misquoted, probably u meant 88:24
88:22> "You are not over them a controller,"
88:23>"But whoever turns away and disbelieves,"
88:24> "God will punish him with a mighty Punishment,"
-- again no punishment prescribed in this world
5:54> "O you who have attained to faith! If you ever abandon your faith," God will in time bring forth [in your stead] people whom He loves and who love Him - humble towards the believers,"
- again, no punishment prescribed in this world
9:66> "Make no excuse. Ye have disbelieved after your (confession of) belief. If We forgive a party of you, a party of you We shall punish because they have been guilty."
- God can forgive few apostate, and punish few other -- BUT no punishment prescribed in this world.
---- end---
And Hadith. Even in "Sahih hadith", Muhammad clearly forbade to write it down anything but quran.. writing hadith was forbidden by him.
thats why, none started writing hadith in 200 years after his death.
Please let me know what do you think. I agree that we might have different views, we are human being.
So basically, the day Muslims start to kill 60% of the population in Earth (it's the so final days preached by Islam), if I want survive I have to leave my home, work, wealth to get shelter at the Muslim who want to have me prisoner at his place? By the way Muslims are not allowed to befriends non Muslims: so it's rare to find a good soul: we saw it in Iran when bahai people got attacked... What kind of acceptable argument do you believe in? I mean, would you like to loose your everything and get sheltered in a Church? The moment you leave the house you get killed! What about the others? It's ok if they die? About the ones who leave Islam, no one cares what God would do so let's focus on what Quran ask Muslims to do to these people. If you tell me that some Surate in Quran says not to kill apostates, then you just proved that Islam is full of contradiction. About the Jews and Christians, Muhammed came back to Mecca asked the Jews to convert, they said they don't wanna be part of the war and want stay in their religion: he killed them all and slaved the attractive women. Let's say we don't agree about who attacked who and leave it alone. What do you have to say about what they did to Christians in Spain, North Africa and France? I mean you can NOT deny the History. Again let's it go, I am a physicist so if I want to prove you the wars in Islam, I would need a lot of times to find good references. Islam is considered as the perfect religion, his prophet is considered to be the last one and by definition he should have a perfect personal life so people could follow his example. There is you don't agree with me, then Islam is definitely NOT a religion! If you do agree with me, then explain how the hell your God found good that girls under age can have sex? How God found good (because he knows his humans very well: it's said in Islam!!) to consider that woman's word is counted as half of the man's word? Do you know how many women die beaten by their husband every minutes? I imagine this number is much higher in Islamic countries, since it's ok to beat and rape women! Finally, how in the earth Muhammed found good to take women as wives whose brothers and husband were killed by his own hands: I mean this is exactly what ISIS does! Killing gay and a woman who sleeps with someone else than her husband? I mean a guy can do sighe or just say I made sighe sans proves with a prostitute and he's fine! He can even have 4 wives! How the hell is it right to kill a woman who sleeps with her lover (usually unique lover) instead of a husband that in most of cases she didn't pick herself... Just think and make the maths. Quran the way it is, is very violent and contains a lot of contradictions. Just look at the so called previous prophets, none of them messed up this bad! Moise had one wife, Jesus had no wife nor girlfriend and none of them killed anyone by their own hands. You think they didn't had enemies? My gosh you are very naive! I don't know where you live, but there is an experience you can do all alone and get some interesting conclusions: imagine Christians decide to convert the whole world (today they have the technology and their number is bigger than Muslims!), and they apply exactly what you wrote up there. Just think what each surate would mean in your everyday life, then figure out if you would like to be treated like this... If you do, then we're good because you would accept that West sells weapons to Middle Est so Muslims kill each other. If you are not ok with that for yourself, then you have 2 choices: leave the religion or start to do something about your community and the official Quran. Because lately what Western see when they meet a hijabi woman, we see the surate of Quran commanding to kill us if we don't convert. And Islam is not on the same page as our vision of life, so conversion is not possible. See the problem?
Perhaps my last comment wasn't clear, sorry for for poor english, . Let me try one more time replying to your comment line by line.
> So basically, t he day Muslims start to kill 60% of the population in Earth (it's the so final days preached by Islam)
- Quran doesn't say so, which Islam peaches that? there are many sects and sub-sects in Islam, like Sunni, Shia, Salafi, Ahmedia, Kadiani, etc etc.
> if I want survive I have to leave my home, work, wealth to get shelter at the Muslim who want to have me prisoner at his place?
- 4:90 says (please see in my last reply): fighting those who doesn't want to fight is prohibited.
> By the way Muslims are not allowed to befriends non Muslims:
- How it can be when in Quran muslims are allowed marry non-muslims at least jews/christians? However, for your reference actually in the Quran (5:51, 5:57, 4:139, 60:13) God said don't make non-muslim as a allies but only some translators translated as friends... friend is *habibi* in arabic but *Awliyaa* is the word in these verses.
Besides, those verses were directed to muhammad on some historic event when muslims were in fight with non-muslims. Perhaps you know that at the time there was only two sides - muslims and kafirs/non-muslims.
> so it's rare to find a good soul
- Agreed, yet thanks that you said 'rare' but not 'impossible' :-)
> we saw it in Iran when bahai people got attacked... What kind of acceptable argument do you believe in? [...] It's ok if they die?
- never its ok, its horrible, and I mentioned in my last reply it is not permissible in Quranic verses.
> About the ones who leave Islam [...] let's focus on what *Quran* ask Muslims to do to these people
- Right, lets focus on Quran ask Muslims to do.. again, I showed in my last comment, quran asks the muslims to do nothing to the apostates.
If some group does, its *against Quran*, right?
> If you tell me that some Surate in Quran says not to kill apostates, then you just proved that Islam is full of contradiction.
- Islam we see now mostly, is *certainly contradictory* with Quran. But did you accept that Quran syas not to kill the apostates?
> About the Jews and Christians, Muhammed came back to Mecca asked the Jews to convert, they said they don't wanna be part of the war and want stay in their religion: he killed them all and slaved the attractive women.
- Perhaps you meant not Mecca, but a tribe near median, right? Whatever might be the case, this horrible, horrendous and abominable.
But Hadith collection was started around 200 years after muhammad's death and muhammad himself forbad not collect hadith.
And the funny chain of narrations which is not acceptable to any academic historians.
You can believe this, many muslims believes this - but many muslims, including me, doesn't take it as a law in Islam.
But, *do you agree that such things contradicts with quran?*
> What do you have to say about what they did to Christians in Spain, North Africa and France?
- Muslims did this - true, but question is, did it contradict Quran?
> I mean you can NOT deny the History.
- Not at all, neither deny the burning present :-( Muslims are killing innocent people in the name of Islam.
My question is, is it permissible in Quran?
> I am a physicist so if I want to prove you the wars in Islam, I would need a lot of times to find good references.
- I am a Quran only muslim i.e. take religions obligations only from Quran. So, you can limit your time to find only in Quranic reference.
> Islam is considered as the perfect religion,
- Literal meaning of Islam is "peace". Just peace, "not peace by submitting your will to Allah and his messenger" that most muslims say.
> by definition he should have a perfect personal life so people could follow his example.
- Who defined this? isn't he a normal human being like u and me? So, he can have flaws.
Even if you take hadith as history, muhammad himself said, even he cannot go to paradise w/o god's grace/special mercy.
He himself said, every human being is touched by devil (except jesus and marrry )
> There is you don't agree with me, then Islam is definitely NOT a religion!
- Definitely NOT, The Islam - the religion we see in the media, in most muslim practice, and in ISIS is definitely NOT a religion by Quran.
> If you do agree with me, then explain how the hell your God found good that girls under age can have sex?
- Where in Quran Allah said so?
> [...] to consider that woman's word is counted as half of the man's word?
- In Quran 2:228, only for financial transactions it is mentioned and only because as it is said, "If one is confused/makes an err (Tazil), other can correct".
In all other cases like in divorce, in court (24:4), making wills(5:106, 65:2, ) etc they are equal. 24:6 even says, a single women witness is also accepted.
Besides, that time most women were hardly doing any financial stuff, they are mostly bound to house works. So Allah prescribed two women so they can help each other.
> Do you know how many women die beaten by their husband every minutes? I imagine this number is much higher in Islamic countries,
- I agree, but is it approved by Quran?
> since it's ok to beat and rape women!
- rape!? Where?!
beating: probably you'd refer 4:34,
but do you know, the word beat "Idribuhun" in this verse has another meaning i.e. "separate"? This meaning of that arabic is found in many other Quranic verses. the word "Nushooz" often translated as "disloyalty/ill-conduct" has another meaning "leave/desert" as found in other quranic verses?
> Finally, how in the earth [...]
- If one takes Hadith take as historical fact(which not historian counts) as the source of law in Islam (which Quran forbades), then I agree with you that whatever ISIS is doing is islamic.
> Just think and make the maths. Quran the way it is, is very violent and contains a lot of contradictions.
- Which contradiction you mean? in quran? or Quran vs Hadith? Quran vs Hadith has lots of contradictions.
> Just look at the so called previous prophets, none of them messed up this bad! [...]
- In Quran, yes none of the prophets messed up.
But, with due respect, according to Bible:
- Moses made ethnic cleansing(Numbers 21:35),
- Moses killed (Numbers 31:17-18) every men, children and married women, took virgins as captive
- Judah killed 10000 in the land of Canaanites and the Perizzites
- Barak killed all the Canaanites
- David killed 200 men just for a wife
- Samson, Elijah, Jephthah, Jehu, Joshua etc read their story in Bible.. they did massacres.
- David had 6 wives, many concubines
- Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines
> then you have 2 choices: [...]
- My choice is to follow the Quran.
It don't even prescribe any punishment if I don't pray or fast.
It says, anyone who believes on God, do good and preach good can attain salvation.
In Quran, I find a minimalist religion. Funny right?
But probably due the cultural background of middle east, they can't conceive that.. they want rule. And Islam is, unfortunately defined not by Quran, but by them.
Finally, who can tell other than Quran what is the religion?
Who has the authority to tell or not tell if someone is muslim?
According to World Christian Encyclopedia, there are around *21000 denominations*, who knows who are real christians?
which denomination was followed by Jesus?
Catholics have 7 more books than the protestants have in the bible, who are right?
Same goes to Islam. No ones knows, which "version" of Islam is correct. But choose to adhere to the peaceful version that I find in Quran.
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Now that you know that I share many values like you do, yet I am a muslim, can I be taken as a friend of you or any westerners? Perhaps not :(, my daughter will be still called as terrorist moslem.. :-(
whatever.. but one thing I know for sure..
that we can have a beer together!!
if you ever visit Hamburg, Germany, let me know. Beer is really good here.
Perhaps you may also like to meet my wife and daughter (don't worry, they don't wear hijab ;) ), you are always welcome :-)
( I won't kill you, promise :D )
i say u are completely wrong the word islam is derived from el Salam which means peace..terrorism is another subject of politics there is no relation between any religion in the world and terrorists work and all the crimes that are happening in todays world.
He's not wrong. He's just talking about something different to what you're referring to.
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I am sorry I meant to say neuralvibes.
This man is obviously NOT Charlie. He is doing islamic terrorists a huge favor. I hope he doesn't have children, because if we keep this Western masochistic song and dance, future generations are all but fucked.
#jesuischarlie
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For the millionth time, islam is not a race. Are you capable of comprehending this very basic fact?
"Charlie is a racist bigot"
Right. So you're essentially saying that people who mock religion (including islam) deserve to be murdered point blank. You are the lowest of the low.
Mr neural bible Muslims are not treat to the world neither to any person that is different from him or her. I would suggest that watch this video one more i think u will get the massage, if u didn't then I feel sorry for you.
Its not about words its about deeds.... actualy because of political correctness many words are not allowed so Muslims wouldnt be offended..... ask Obama
Who when to conquer the world and destroy what was in their way. Please look up your own history. Please reconsider your words after seen what's True.
Religiousness isn't a newsworthy or praiseworthy trait in a secular society. Why should people have to be force-fed information about a foreign faith or the value that someone sees in such a faith unless people specifically want to (in which case there are ways to learn it)? A secular society won't feed its people with religious propaganda. Oh, and before someone says, what about Christianity, Christianity is a domestic legacy, not a foreign religion, one can't compare apples and oranges...
He could have said all this in less than a million words.
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A : He is Isolating individual extreme cases in the media to illicit bias reaction. B: It is not the media that tag Muslims. Muslims do this themselves, it is their overriding marker. Other religious groups do not label themselves so fervently . Overall, the British media reflect the views of the British people. Hinduism for example does not receive bad press as their is less conflict generated by that religious group. Fear is caused by the teachings of the Koran...read it's passages about apostasy. Are you not afraid?
+Robert Kennedy he, actually them (it's a large group of scientists, or smart women and men of academic & itellectual pedigree ), did everything opposite of what you are implying !
and he is world renown academician and intellectual, while you are CZcams Islamophobic troll, so...
india has lot of trouble buddy.. its just that nobody care.we are very poor and usually have no veil or kufah on our head....to assert our identity
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One Muslim greats another Muslim, Good Day, how are you? Today is a great day says Allah. Wack off comes his head. Allah never spoke to him says the other Muslim.
interesting but to put it into context you need a baseline, something to compare this data to.
I suggest your baseline be the Jews (and or Israel) in the Muslim press
That if it was for the sake of comparing. He has been analyzing not comparing.
So then lets analyze whats in the Muslim press and then we can compare
@@jproductions4887 He was analyzing the repsentation of Islam and Muslims in the UK press. That was the point of the research. So it'd make more sense to compare it to the coverage of Christians or Jews in the UK press. Either way, the point still stands; we shouldn't use intolerant language and we should be aware of how effective our language is
Well if you are so clever explain the burnt car here in Sweden, is that just a fluke ?
How noticeable it is that you got nothing of this speech.
propaganda
From a non muslim? C'mon man dont be like that
Excellent, honest and intelligent speaker