This Kids' Movie has Better History than Most Historical Dramas
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- čas přidán 31. 08. 2022
- "Oh, it's only a kid's movie" is all too often an excuse for mediocrity. Just because something is meant for a younger audience, doesn't mean it can't have passion and creative merit! When I watched "The Sea Beast," a few weeks ago, I was delighted to see that not only was it full to the brim with creativity and originality, but it even felt very authentic to the history it sought to evoke! So in this video, I gush for about twenty minutes about some of my favourite elements of the movie. Basically, it's Baby's First "Master and Commander"!
#seabeast
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I'm a sailor (I have helped out on a square rigger a decade ago), firstly no dig at the show on any of the small mistakes, as this is so much further than a kids show needs to go and it's amazing they put it in, in the first place. I'll split into four parts what the captains says, what I presume is the first mate says, what the animation of the ship does and the Gunner.
Captain : So he says hard to port, all happens correctly you'd have more people on the wheel though and he should say the direction e.g. "south west by quarter west" rather than just general turn port. Later we see that sailing to port is not closer to the wind direction as he wanted, but moving away from the wind, if you would say the wind is coming from the side as indicated by the jibs. Which will have probably happened by them reusing a birdseye view animation asset of the ship, which makes sense.
First mate : When she says furl the main and fore all good, although depending on how far they are turning with the heading they were on they'd most likely already be furled. She says ease the headsail, as he's going close to the wind as possible (close hauled is what he would say), you'd want to trim the sail (pull in closer) to up your speed. Unless they weren't wanting to go fast in that scenario.
Animation : The animation would indicate the wind is behind them or to the side depending which sail you go by, but behind would mean a close to 180 degree turn, which doesn't seem to happen in the animation. This is mainly because a lot of movies like sails to be full and the wind catching them completely and all the sails out at once (making it confusing to which direction the wind is coming from), which you wouldn't do as different sails are optimised for different wind direction. This is acknowledged as something you wouldn't do, in this scene which is brilliant, but I'm not sure if there is a scene in which some sails are furled.
The Gunner : not sure what protect our broadsides would mean and Carcass shot was real which is cool and is an early type of incendiary device.
Again the fact they put any of this in is great, because it really makes the show come more alive!
As I said a decade ago might have got a couple things wrong and missed a couple of things, so please comment more.
Thank you for sharing
Oh and by the way not one point would I have cringed at them getting any of that not correct. Espcially as I'm like there's a squal coming bring the erm... the ones at the top, you know the ones, bring them in. And then someone's says, you mean the t'gallant. I'll just claim I was just testing them.
What, you mean not every sailor is 100% on the ball 100% of the time in a completely technically appropriate way???
Hah, thanks so much for your feedback for it all! I think your more technical analysis helps to show not only how immensely complicated sailing is as a task, but also how impressive the show is given what they *did* show and what they did get right. I'm glad I wasn't totally off the mark on this one!
@@BrandonF shocking I know, you do get ribbed (teased) for it when you go out drinking afterwards, even though we all mess and mix them up.
Exactly the scriptwriter must be a sailor/history lover or they had a sailing/historical consultant which for a fantasy kids movie, shows such a level of dedication, you have to admire. As they didn't have to go to these lengths.
@Cumberland Sausage I don't believe they are in a combat situation in that scene and in terms of a historical battle there is little reason to have such non descript large turns, in fact it could put you in a position for a raking shot would would be deviating for your ship, however I imagine with monsters it is very different and big movenments may be fine. Even though it was a kids movie they were actually taking into account the wind. Which was great.
"This kids' adventure flick cares more about military supple and logistics than most military dramas do."
-Brandon F. Reviews
This kid's adventure flick cares more about military supply and logistics than most militaries do.
Remove the dramas like the reply above and you got russia
@@West_Coast_Gang ooooh... I hope Putler felt that burn through his nightmares🤣
Lol imagine actually useing 'putler'
@@matthiuskoenig3378 What about Putler?
You like him?
"Honey, how was work?"
"I painstakingly animated the full rigging of a 18th century man of war down to the smallest detail by consulting with several naval historians."
"Uh huh, and what are you up to tomorrow?"
"We need to visit the range to get both the animations and the sound of the flint-locks right."
"Honey, you do still work on that silly kids movie about the sea monsters, right?"
*in the way of the GIGACHAD "YES."
Biggest Chad of all time
"Honey, I shot the goldfish."
@@jean-yvesmead3972 "Honey, i shot the dog while aiming the target cause i forgot the musket was smoothbore"
@@hanzchii9245 they aren't *that* inaccurate...
@@SonsOfLorgar its meant to be a joke
A lame joke
Children's media is either high-effort art with immense attention to detail, that often has deeper and more profound themes and meaning than even many adult or Young Adult entertainment, or it is low-effort mass-produced third rate media meant to ride the coat-tails of a more successful franchise. There is literally no middle ground.
It's so weird when you grow up and notice it as you watch media made for older audiences. Quite puzzling.
Some of the best films ever made have been “for kids.” When you get it right you’re sitting on something that can change the word.
I actually quite like the message of the story but I do have criticisms of it. For me the story isn’t saying “be skeptical of historians” it’s “be skeptical of your government because governments are self serving.”
My main criticism of the message is that it’s very clearly aiming for anti-colonial and anti-imperial messages but its stand in for colonized peoples are giant sea monsters. M
Nah, there's plenty of middle ground.
It isn't even quite that. For the latter point, it literally is just garbage produced to either keep your kid occupied, or to sell a toy.
This proves brandon will watch anything as soon as hears it has history in it
Honestly, I actually find myself avoiding historical stuff more lately. It feels like work to watch them unless it's something *really* good, and I have to be in a very particular mood to do so. On my free evenings I tend to gravitate more towards spoopy films or science fiction. When they end up terrible, it's less crushing.
@@BrandonF ah, atleast the tvs die less frequently when you bayonete them because a film is innacurate.
@@BrandonF The price to pray when you're a history buff
Having to endure the cringe at bad historically inaccurate movies
and yet he STILL won't play blood and iron
@@thRegimentofFootThethRifles he doesnt play rblx
My son picked this one, and I was only half paying attention, but then I caught bits of dialogue, then some of the visuals, and before the first few minutes had elapsed I was more engrossed in the film than he was.
Opposite for me, my mom decided to watch a kid's movie for fun and invited me to stay near. I heard the lines and saw the scenes and... my God the thallasophobia I never knew I had pulled a chill right out of my neck when the captain, you know...?
One of the challenges with directly adapting history is that the historical narrative is fixed and known. You can’t just tell a story about history without either including the entire context, or adjusting the historical context to fit the tale that’s being told. Doing the former limits the kinds of stories that can be told.
That’s what I like about historical-esque fantasies like the sea beast. They allow you to tell a story and relate historical elements without being forced to fit all the baggage of the time period.
Or like Master and Commander. The setting is in the "real" world, it is pure fiction, but the story itself is isolated enough that it could have happened alongside real world events.
*glances at the "Destroyermen" series.*
@@caelestigladii Though, Master and Commander (and the rest of the Aubrey-Maturin series for that matter) does fall into the trap of having Aubrey commanding real ships, including HMS Surprise, though the real Surprise was out of service by the time the Napoleonic Wars broke out iirc. I don’t necessarily think that’s a bad thing, but it does mean that it does change some things.
Love how the lady pirate fures her pistol and immediately tosses it as it is no longer of use. How many times do you see flintlock pistols being fired loads without ever reloading.
Maybe I don’t watch enough movies taking place in that historical time frame, but I never noticed a flintlock be fired multiple times without reload. But PISTOLS are a whole different can of worms 😅
Got to respect the captain giving the order to "loose" the bows rather than "fire"
Fire? Where? All hands on deck, we have a fire!
“That's my bread and butter!
It's pointing out silly little things that don't actually matter.”
A healthy self awareness is an awesome, and very endearing trait.
I think that some of the details in costume--such as the hat not being fancy enough--can be put down to "Different cultures do things differently". We shouldn't expect exact replication, even in films that approach historical authenticity. Specifically, things that don't serve a functional purpose have more leeway and allow for more cultural variation. After all, we see that enough in the real world! As long as the functional stuff is correct, I think it's better to have some minor aesthetic differences.
Absolutely agree! Although I’d also say that it’s surprising to see such a plain uniform from such an otherwise gaudy and wealthy nation, and as such I would have rather either had an explanation for their being so plain or to have just seen a uniform closer to the real life equivalents, that is still a matter of aesthetic preference more than actual accuracy.
@@BrandonF I'd just put it down to similar reasons as to why French officers in the Seven Years War/French and Indian War used to be very plain for the most part (with fancier waistcoats than their justaucorps and hats etc.) despite being from a gaudy (and downright tacky, even) nation. The grenadiers of ''The Crown'' (what is the country called? I missed that) like to cultivate a non-showy and almost pious image.
@@kyriakospentheides Another thing they could've done is just order their regiments to be packed with more grenadiers than usual at any cost, in some form of "look we have more elite troops than you" to a foreign nation, in a similar manner to how(forgive this being the first reference i thought of) the Wehrmacht started handing out medals for basically anything during the second world war to make their soldiers look more accomplished.
I would take a Doylist, rather than Watsonian view of the matter. I would put it down to the needs of clarity, and communication.
Good art needs a mixture of positive and negative space. Negative space is areas of low visual information, positive space is areas of high visual information. Not going to explain how that's defined exactly, but it's enough to say that complex detail = positive, minimal detail = negative. By contrasting positive space with negative space, it highlights the positive space for the viewer, drawing their attention. While the uniforms of the marines are based on quite gaudy 18th century military styles, I imagine their outfits are much more stripped-down to make the particulars of their design stand out.
There's also their role in the story to consider. These guys aren't main characters. They're nameless goons in service of the antagonist. Making them look relatively plain helps communicate to the audience that they're not overly important to the story.
@@BrandonF Considering this took place in a somewhat Venetian setting, I guess they want to replicate 18th Century Venetian Armed forces. The Venetians aren't pretty elaborate, spare for the Schiavone regiments and Regiments of some of the Terraferma like the Grenadiers of Verona. Their Lagunari/Fanti da Mar did wore a Blue Red uniform with minimal flares and a simple cap similar to Light Infantry (forgot what those called).
I kinda dare say if the Marines wore Blue and red in the story, they would be indistinguishable from Venetian Army of the 18th Century
It's worth pointing out that Gordon Laco, who was the historical advisor on Master and Commander, worked on this, too.
0:13 as someone who writes graphic novels geared towards a younger audience I couldn't agree more. The best movies of all time have been children movies, such as Treasure Planet, Atlantis The Lost Empire, Encanto, Coco, and 2005s Spirit Stallion of the Cimerons are all kids films and are better for it. They didn't have to have someone swear or die a gory death or have garbless women to prove they were Intelligent they just were.
One of the biggest trends in modern media that I just despise is how dark it all has to be. Half the time things feel so unnecessarily edgy.
@@BrandonF Tell me about it! I get sick of that so much too. If there's one thing the world doesn't need more of it's darkness and writers have a lot of power to influence the emotions and mental states of the masses and as a certain uncle once said "With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility" Something I think more writers and film makers should think more about.
Based Treasure Planet and Atlantis The Lost Empire enjoyer, those movies were a big part of my childhood. Atlantis is in my opinion the best animated movie Disney ever made.
@@lonelystrategos That's for sure. It's a masterpiece.
@@BrandonF internet users when they find out art tends to reflect the state of society it's created in
The bayonet not being over the sight is only wrong if its a brown bess. I will point out that he is wearing white.
I've seen French muskets with side mounted bayonets that look a lot like the ones in the movie.
I think it's perfectly reasonable to think that a nation in a different world might have different bayonet mounts than the average on here. Especially when there are already different bayonet mounts in our world. As long as we see it has a way of being mounted that is physical possible, it should be considered alright.
Did not have the springs with the barrel bands.
@@zachv1942 can be a side notch?
@@brianstabile165 just pointing out the difference between a bess and a charlivile
12:10 it's more inline with HMS Duke of Kent, which is such an ungodly massive (170 guns) design that it is suspected that it was actually designed in the 1830s/1840s by one of Joseph Tucker's fans to embellish his reputation against Seppings and Symonds. Being that is is at least a ship and not a barn with gun holes in hit.
Good call! Yeah, that looks like a more apt comparison.
I saw the model of that in the Maritime Museum at Greenwich a few weeks back when I visited London! It looks utterly ridiculous... more so in person than in diagrams!
The ship in the show has 224 guns lol
@@prich0382 I kind of get the feeling it'd work itself apart in a moderate swell.
Holy cow, that MF puts the santísima Trinidad to shame
Yet another point towards this movie being "Baby's First Master and Commander" is the ship's surgeon, who looks almost exactly like Paul Bettany in his role as Dr. Maturin, down to the sideburns and glasses
From one Sailor in the US Navy, I can tell you the linguistics used during this movie are spot on. They did a fantastic job using accurate dialogue for the rigging of the ship.
Though I don’t think they used “port” at this time, it was starboard and larboard then.
I believe that the author John Flanagan and his Ranger’s Apprentice and Brotherband series of books also pay attention to the mundane details of hunting, forest craft and sailing in a very adult way for two “Young Adult “ series of books.
I also get frustrated with authors or writers who do not bother to learn at least the basics of the characters livelihoods. It may be petty, but it is my petty hill to die upon!
I love that series.
I still to this day go back and read these books, they are my happy place
The accuracy as far as arms and armor is not great, though.
Honestly I think it's a lot more excusable with books. They are written by one person essentially without a budget most of the time. If they are established they might have some funds but a lot of books are written by average people in their spare time. It's not like they can hire ten different experts to get every detail right.
Man i grew up on that.
Hi there, 25yo woman, been sailing since I was a child. Yeah when I watched this movie I was blown aback by the attention to detail and language used.
Glad it isn't just my landsman sensibilities!
2:55
A little fun fact, it was actually the case at the Battle of Svensksund 1789. 3 Women were on board the ships during the battle dressed as men, one of the women took command of the ship HMS (swedish HMS) Armida when all other officers were dead / wounded.
I know it is far from the rule, but its interesting :)
Indeed, Brita Hagberg, Anna Maria Engsten and Dorothea Maria Lösch served in the Battle of Svensksund.
Brita Hagberg served under the false name of Petter Hagberg in the Life Guards (Royal Body Guard, kind of) and served on board the Styrbjörn. She was shot and wounded in the chest, or what would upon medical inspection (against her will) turn out to be breasts and her sex was revealed. Hagberg would receive a military pension of 3 riksdaler (old Swedish currency), an extremely rare occurrence for a woman.
Both Hagberg and Anna Maria Engsten participated in the gauntlet of Viborg days before the battle, where Engsten evacuated a supply boat, which started leaking after Russian shelling, refusing to leave the boat she steered the boat back to safety. For this she received 50 riksdaler from King Gustav III.
Both Hagberg and Engsten were awarded the "For Valour at Sea" medal for their service.
And lastly, Dorothead Maria Lösch, as you mentioned served aboard the Armida and took over command of the ship after all officers had been wounded, killed or moved to other ships. As recognition for her service she was awarded the rank of Captain by King Gustav III, the first woman to so in the Swedish Navy.
This was rather shamelessly lifted from Wikipedia and quickly translated by myself, but I felt it was interesting enough to share some further information on the matter.
Not only that, Dorothea Lösch (the woman who took command of Arminda) was later condecorated and honorarily promoted to captain. On the other hand Anna Maria Engsten single-handly steered a ship back to Sweden at night and under fire!
Swedish women look like men. Viking genes
@@sirjohnbarlow7261 wonderful!
I don't mind pirate films having women pirates since there is historical precedence for it (like Anne Bonny and Mary Read), though do leave out the fact they had to dress up like men to pass. In this regard, Pirates: In an Adventure with Scientists (or Band of Misfits for us dirty yanks) is more historically accurate.
And of course the instances of female pirates as leaders such as as Zheng Yi Sao and Gráinne Ní Mháille
If you create a fantasy setting, I really don't mind if if the social norms are at the discretion of the creator tbh
Band of misfits is what it was called in Australia
@@delfinenteddyson9865 they’re not social norms. Men were just more likely to be pirates bc they’re way better at physically demanding tasks. That’s why it’s so unrealistic when they make so many female characters in leads that a woman wouldn’t be able to do
@@zzodysseuszz
Pfft
I wish there was more fantasy shows/games based on an 18th century setting
One of the games that I can remember that would perfectly match what you’re referring to would be Greedfall. Decent game, but setting looks good.
Me too. I'm giving a try on writing some stuff of it, but the world building is quite difficult, even sticking to some already larged used tropes.
An honorable mention after greedfall is I think avowed, it's more late fantasy although it has guns. I haven't really played much of the past games yet, but I have seen a couple scenes take place on boats.
They have a trailer for the next game, which isn't going to isometric but rather 1st and presumably 3rd person.
Its made by obsidian, they are also working on though otherworlds2 so I don't remember which will come out 1st. I think outersworlds2. Personally excited for both but admitly avowed seems more interesting being a fantasy setting with guns and a interesting looking magic system.
I assume the reason the flintolck was fired left-handed was just so the scene would flow better, as if it was the other way around not only would the bayonet be in the way but you wouldn't be able to see the boats and people in the background as well.
i just want to point out, animating something historically accurately is not more expensive than inaccuracy. But period accuracy in live film is muuuuch more expensive. So if two filmakers of each medium cared the same amount the animator would be able to include more detail than the live filmaker.
The animation itself might not be more expensive (or only slightly more expensive) but the research required for know how to make the animation accurate can take a lot of money or time.
@@seneca983 true, but you'd need that for a live production as well, plus the cost of the actual prop/costume
The thing about staying logically consistent in your fantasy setting is what I call "analytical worldbuilding". The "if X and Y exist in my setting, then Z makes no sense to also exist at the same time" etc. It is important to find a balance with "creative worldbuilding" that fits the kind of story you want to tell and its theme. I love both "realistic" fantasy and absurd fantasy, as long as it is done purposefully and skillfully.
Same.
I like well written stories too... however, not all authors are able to do that. New authors in particular tend to write poorly thought out stories full of problems. There are three aspects to novels... characters, plot, and setting. If the author messes up with one, but the others are decent to great, then I can still enjoy the novels... if the author messes up all three... I can't stand the book.
Example:
There is a CZcamsr who wrote a story a few years back. In the first 5 chapters he contradicted his world building. In this "world" continents just float in the air, there is a large continent, which has 3 smaller continents above it. On the underside of one (or all; I can't remember which) the continents is an entire ecosystem, complete with large flying animals living in trees. Those animals sometimes go to the large continent. The main character, many years ago, fought in a war which took him into the caves of the large continent; which he was in for several months... constantly fighting monsters. As the sun is always in the exact same position, they tell time through the relative distance a large rock is on its travels, as the world's bottom loops into its top. So this rock has been falling on its path for an indeterminate amount of time. They ended up using it's location relative to the "bottom" and "top" of the world as their absolute measurement of time; One Fall = One Earth Day (plus or minus minutes/hours).
However, in chapter 2, he jumped off the side of the large continent and fell to the bottom of the "world" before passing through the barrier to continue his fall from the "top". So, based on this information (some of which we get in chapters 3 through 5), he should have slammed face first into the side of the continent. The force which keeps flora/fauna on the underside of the smaller continents from falling to the top of large continent should also act on the continent's side. Yet... the author didn't think about that... and uses the word "gravity" to describe the air flowing from top of the world to the bottom. The setting was ruined for me, as that's not how gravity works... that's not how that setting works given the information he provided. Hell! How does _weather_ work in this "world"? The setting is just not logically consistent. :/
The other big mistakes involves messing up the plot and characterization. These two things are intertwined as the author was writing a redemption story. The most important aspect of a redemption story is for the audience to _care_ about the character being redeemed. This care can be brought about by making the audience empathize or sympathize with the character. It's especially useful to make the character likable. However, that's not what the author did. The author wrote a redemption story around the worst tyrant you could think of, complete with lowering the age of consent so he could put naked children on display as a status symbol and at night "slept" with them. His subordinates constantly replaced these children as he got bored of them so he victimized hundreds of children before his empire was destroyed and he fled to a small village under a fake name where he stayed for several decades until he was in his 80's and then, decided to jump off the continent instead of dying in his bed.
The result of this is a character I don't empathize with, let alone sympathize. In fact, I dislike this character... he's effing arrogant. Of course, that's not the only characterization problem... other than his arrogance, his characterization is inconsistent. At the start of the novel, he's 80 years old and on his death bed... after his jump, he became a "wizard" and was granted a new body, that of an 18 year old. So... recognizing that he needs to keep a low profile, until he is able to forge a birth certificate, he goes around suing his magic to save people as he travels to hit "home" to pick up his journal and his sword... the sword that if anyone sees it, would be able to recognize it as the tyrant's sword. On top of that, he picked up his old badge which shows everyone he's a top tire sword master. So, he's attracting lots of unneeded attention to himself. Worse, he meets a freaking priests and agrees for the priest to travel with him; A priest who recognizes the sword!
The result of this unneeded attention was him meeting one of his victims... so he calls her by name, compliments her on her looks, and thinks about her in that way even though he's full of guilt for what he did to her. Throughout most of the book, he's full of anger... and is very quick to act upon it. All of this shows the audience he has all the impulse control of an 18 year old instead of the impulse control of a 80 year old man that he is supposed to be. He doesn't act consistently throughout the book, except his arrogance. He has done things that's unforgivable... and the last chapter is about accepting his fate... and him being happy he's a better person, a good person.
As a first attempt it's not a good book. The author tried to write a complex story, without the experience and skills required to pull it off.
@@aralornwolf3140 One of my problems with Shads book was more of a personal taste thing: In some parts it felt a bit preachy (you can clearly see his personal morals and political takes, which isnt bad necessarily, art is always political, but sometimes it was a bit much).
Sure his book wasnt perfect on a technical writing aspect, but for a first time author with no formal training either its not bad. I did enjoy parts of it.
@@noneofyourbusiness3288 ,
Sure, some parts are nice... especially the parts where he shows off his knowledge and skills... despite not doing anything with it for decades... I mean, he's a pretty close to being a Gary Stu as he was deliberately written to be the best at everything he does, especially if the plot needs a professional for something.
That's more inconsistent characterization. :/
Again, I couldn't stand Dayless the Conqueror. I want him dead; as he deserves.
There was another redemption story I read years before Shad's. The story is about Olek Skilgannon aka The Damned. Written by an experienced and skilled author, David Gemmel. The first third of the book, about half of which were flashbacks of The Damned's life, starting in early childhood, progressing to how he slaughtered the populous, all of them, of a surrendered city, before ending with him surviving a plague which his innocent wife, who he loved, did not.
The Damned understood what he did was completely wrong, that he deserves eternal damnation in hell for his actions. Those who paid attention know The Damned to be a good person, who because of circumstances, did a horrible, horrible thing. A horrible, horrible thing that the readers empathize with him for doing... as we would have done the same things as him, or sympathized with him as we understood why he slaughtered the city even if we would have refused to do so. All The Damned wants to do is live out his life... so his eternal punishment in hell is delayed. He understands that nothing he does is ever going to atone or redeem him... that what he did can't be undone.
"If I was a warrior and heard stories about The Damned, I would try to kill him too." - The Damned explaining why he has no hard feelings against a traveling companion who tried to kill him.
Contrasting that with Dayless, who spends hours in self-pity, self-remorse whenever he thinks about what he did. Seeing and being near his victims is _torture_ to him... and he wants that torture to end. He deliberately goes around trying to be a hero to people to cover up his guilt/remorse for is actions; as an attempt to remove the guilt, the self-pity he has for himself for his atrocities he has committed. He only cares about himself, he only does good, because he wants to be seen as good. He's effing arrogant; at times selfish.
I just can't stand Dayless. I can't enjoy the story in part of my distaste of Dayless... the plot and setting issues just make it worse.
As for politics... it takes great skill for an author to write a book and no one is able to see their political leanings, as they are able to write accurate portrayals of multiple political-social-economic points of view. Yet, some things the authors can't get around. If the author is pro-choice, it will be reflected in their story. If the author supports LGBTQA+ rights, it will be reflected in their story.
Example:
Patricia Briggs' character Mercedes Athena Thompson Hauptmann is a liberal. She is friends with a homosexual couple. Several times, the character remarks on the slow acceptance of homosexuality in her society. At no point does a conservative point of view is brought up or portrayed; that I recognized.
We can infer that Patricia Briggs is a Liberal. As her story is set in the present day state of Washington, we can infer that Patricia Briggs herself votes Democrat.
However, at no point does Patricia Briggs inserts real-world politics in her novels... so the Democrat and Republican parties are portrayed in her novels not as how they actually are.
I can honestly say that when it comes to creative liberties, having lady soldiers, pirate captains, or other, that's okay if you try your making a story based on fiction or fantasy, maybe even an alternate universe. But indeed, if you're trying to make something out of nonfiction/true storytelling, then keeping it real and not Hollywood, that's paramount.
But with historical authenticity in either genre, I agree 100% Its important that no matter what story you're telling, keeping it believable is paramount.
What if it's a story following one of the female pirate captains that actually did exist? Because though they were vastly overshadowed by their male counterparts, there were female pirates. Just broadly claiming that they did not exist whatsoever is also erasing history!
I served with the U.S. Marines and saw this film recently. I will say that they did get most of the language correct. They had Port (left) and Starboard (right) correct and to protect broadside and all the gunners loading the deck guns.
This is when you know that the historical-movie genre is is at an all-time low. Though, I will say I am glad children are getting something better than Cocomelon. Cheers!
If you have been paying attention, you'd notice that we currently are (or at least were, before the whole netflix/ hbo/dycovery debacle) in a sort of golden age for animation
Just steer out of the mainstream Disney/ Pixar/ minions shit a little bit and you'll see
Never before so many independent studios have been putting out this much quality content
Newcomers, doing do much experimental stuff, just look at fortiche's Arcane for a brief frame of reference
Animation is medium that know no limit for storytelling, and the world is finally, slowly starting to realize that
(CEOs might need a few years more to take their heads out of their assess and see it)
@@matheussanthiago9685 Yeah, but what Child is doing that? Certainly not any I've seen. However, I will say that you have a fair point. I am just stating that the average child watches Cocomelon or something of the sorts. Anyways, have a good day. Cheers!
(glares in cartoon saloon)
The fact that this was more historically accurate than 90% of the “based on a true story” garbage that is out today is hilarious to me
I thought the sea beast was a boring costume fantasy filled with girl power gone wrong, until I realise that it’s not like Cocomelon nor it will ever be.
In fact it’s way better, in terms of being faithful enough to history, than most costume dramas in the ‘based on a true story’ model known to mankind.
what this show me is someone in the staff knows how to sail and made sure to include as much detail that needed.
12:26 The Santísima Trinidad! Yay! * Happy Spanish noises *
For those not knowing, the Santísima Trinidad was the biggest ship of the line ever built in the age of sail. She was built in 1769 for the Spanish Navy (at the time the 2nd largest in the World after the British Royal Navy). With a weight of 4900 tons, it carried 1100 men and 140 cannons (Nelson's flagship, the HMS Victory, had a weight of 3500 tons and carried 850 men and 105 guns). Santísima Trinidad was the flagship of the Spanish Navy for three decades, fighting in several engagements until she was captured in the battle of Trafalgar (after a mayor fight against four British warships) and later sunk when the British tried to carry her to Gibraltar. In the Episodios Nacionales, a series of short historical fiction stories written by the Spanish novelist Benito Pérez Galdós, the protagonist (Gabriel de Aracelli) begins as a sailor in the Santísima Trinidad.
after her "upgrade" to 130 guns in 1795-96, she was also, quite possibly, the warship in the world with the worst sailing characteristics, leading to the nickname El Ponderoso, as well as some suggestions that she should only be used for defense of the Bay og Cadiz, as she was just too sluggish for even a line battle.
@@frederiknielsen6038 Ah, Spanish humour... I love that nickname and can figure why: it means "fat" and sounds almost the same as "poderoso" (powerful), so a perfect pun. It indeed had very bad sailing characteristics, but in battle it was extremely powerful.
@@podemosurss8316 And now I have learned something. I don't speak Spanish so didn't realise about the pun when Drachinifel mentioned the ship in one of his videos.
@@TheBespectacledN00b Don't worry, it's just that I'm a native. Also "ponderoso" is in disuse nowadays.
Actually the Océan was a bit bigger, not as many guns, but a larger ship.
"She was reputed to be the largest warship in the world, for which she was nicknamed El Escorial de los mares by the Spanish, until surpassed in sheer size by the new type French 120-gun ships such as Océan (1790) and Orient (1791)."
I know a few Japanese-American guys who are IJA/N nerds and that's pretty much how "In this corner of the world" is to them. The animators got insanely esoteric details right.
The way I interpreted the ending message of, "Don't trust everything you see in the books" was more of a critique of ultra-nationalism and propaganda machines than saying that "everything from the government is inherently bad." I can definitely see how it could be interpreted that way, but I don't think that's what the writers intended. It's a bash on authoritarian regimes that subtly distort narratives about the world to their populace, which I think is very poignant considering recent events.
I think my main discomfort with it is that it can so easily be interpreted in different ways, some of which are deeply troubling. I don't blame the writers as bad people, of course! I just don't think it was the best way to go about it all.
I thought it was about imperialism, with the humans representing the imperial powers and the monsters representing the natives. The humans go on quests to hunt and kill monsters, just as Britain, Spain, etc. killed and subjugated countless natives in the places they conquered and colonized. They then tell a narrative that justifies their actions, which becomes their version of history as it passes from generation to generation.
My mom interpreted it this way too. However, different people will interpret it differently.
The long long holiday has very good accuracy for a kids show aswell.
I just saw that with my kids a few days ago. I'm glad to hear that it's historically accurate
I hope they enjoyed it!
@@BrandonF They love it
@@BrandonF You know Brandon. I would honestly take this film's message to be more of a warning against imperialism and how the victor in empire could rewrite of their enemies
But it also warns against "yello" journalism
You could definitely say Confederacy was an empire of its own where Cotton is king and men were chattel.
With a slavor aristocracy
However, since this was more based off British and French and those history are not really the Americas as much, it should be taken as such on that ground.
There wasn't a complete attempt at genocide and encroachment on the native lands of the seabeasts for crown and for motherland.
I just watched it myself and loved so much about it, a nice story for sure I think and then the little snips of history going on in the back ground, it's like if you know you know and they show the research they did
Watched it about a week ago before this video and even then I was impressed
"If you know, you know" is a surprisingly good way to describe this sort of thing!
I saw this movie too and thought they did a really good job of portraying a unique setting.
What I'm absolutely amazed and pleased by (and I'm feeling like HystoryLegend guy) is the perfectly accurate and legitimate portray of disciplined, structured command chain that's visible at minute 9:03
The Captain, who's the one in charge, orders to man the stations and prepare for battle: right away the boatswain, second in command, intructs the crew to their places and they all know the drill because there is a drill to follow, perfectioned by training and experience, to effectively and efficiently get ready for a situation that might result in their death. There are guys who are meant to take the ammos, and they do by going below deck and opening some safely sealed boxes, then bring them on the deck and distribute them. The gunners, each and every one for their gun and post, already in position, take one ammo and load their guns, TWO gunners for each. All of this while bell and drums alarm the crew, warn them all of the current situation, provide for psychological boost and stress the time span to induct a rythmical mechanic in movements and thoughts, again forged by intense training.
These guys are corsairs, not generic pirates: they know what they're doing, they know a military disciplined structure is the best option for them not only to succeed but also to survive.
On the contrary of what many might show all around, the female officer doesn't take the lead, doesn't argue with the captain, her strong character is defined by a rank she has achieved by merit and she's carrying out dutifully.
Against most war games and dramas, the squad officer doesn't receive a call directly by the high command and embark a single, game changing operation clearly not meant for such a squad: the highest in command gives orders to his second, who passes it to the lower ranks until the whole ship, the whole personnel and the whole equipment is prepared, ready for action and armonically working as a whole. Everyone has its position and purpose, everyone's survival is based on how well everyone do what they have to do, nothing more nothing less.
Truly appreciated, that's a valid teaching: when you work in a team, you're a team.
Very well expressed, and indeed the drilled discipline of the crew is a detail the animators and writers did not need to include, but for having done so the film is improved
Let me thank you from the Design team of The Sea Beast, we did care and we did do a ton of research and now we feel appreciated ❤
Great to hear from you- I'm glad you enjoyed the video! You all did fantastic work!
Amazing video. Only Brandon would call a movie "baby's first Master and Commander".
One small thing. I noticed that you seemed to find things like how the mitre caps aren't detailed enough and cited them as historical inaccuracies. To that I shall make a counter-point: This movie is set in a different world, get over it. Seriously. These people had different history, culture, religion, etc. They will not be carbon-copies of 1700's people. I get that it technically isn't correct, and that your whole channel is you pointing out nit-picky details, but in a setting such as this, you got to give the movie some slack. If worldbuilding is supposed to be original, allow them to make changes. Same with the diversity. Maybe they just were more forward with social norms relative to their technological level.
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Wow. That was a rant. Just had to get that out as I am interested in worldbuilding, and as of writing this, am procrastinating making a world. Good day.
You should always point out inaccurate details in a fantasy regardless of if it makes sense in that fantasy setting, to avoid people assuming a fantasy detail is 1 of the historical details.
Also p.s. The lack of diversity in history wasn't just being 'less socially forwards' its also a matter of technology (and relative technology).
1) for racial/cultural diversity: Historically (and still in Much of the world) the cost of moving was not justified by the increase in living standards. Colonisation happened because people could build better living standards than they had in their home counties. Similarly modern - colonisation- mass immigration is the result of people getting better living standards (as Europe is no longer overpopulated like it was during colonial times, so there is a living standard increase by moving there)
2) for gender diversity, home owning is actually extremely labour intensive without relatively modern technology. Women didn't achieve equality because of some random realisation it was achieved because technologal advancement allowed it. We see this with historical societies with relative gender equality on paper, due to the technology of the time women are not really as equal in practise.
I love this show it’s the only thing I’ve seen that goes to master and commander levels of detail in the portrayal of sailing correctly.
Children are not idiots just because they don’t have the life experience of us adults and it’s great to see a kids show that recognises that.
Edit : I was wrong about the thumbnail it is not misleading, Brandon explains in the comment below
Would say the thumbnail is a little misleading as Master and Commander is one of the most historical accurate film in existence. The only issue is from the producers making them change the antagonists ship from an American one to a French privateer as they thought Americans wouldn't watch a film where they are the bad guys.
It’s meant to allude to my point in the video that this movie is “like Master and Commander for kids”
@@BrandonF ah I see, sorry I misunderstood.
No trouble!
I watched this movie a few months ago now with my sister, so I don't quite remember any of the other marines seen firing their pieces in the movie. But given that the captions for that soldier firing his musket left-handed is "breathes nervously", perhaps that error could be something the marine in question makes due to being nervous?
When you're trained for something physical you're going to do it basically the same way you were taught. Muscle memory is a real thing (although that information is actually stored in your cerebellum, which is part of your hindbrain). The whole idea is that you get drilled in something to the point where even under duress it will be automatic.
@@00muinamir His training wasn't adequate enough, simple as that, then. Or it all flew out of the window the moment he came up against a monster the size of a small castle, it would hardly be the first time a soldier makes a mistake under the duress of an impending battle or during thereof.
I started to learn a great deal about naval tactics from the Horatio Hornblower series... and playing Avalon Hill's Wooden Ships and Iron Men.
One of the things that surprised me was finding out that a sailing ship actually moved faster when the wind blew from either aft beam... not from directly behind.
(Or playing Behind Enemy Lines... and finding out that TNT and dynamite aren't the same thing.)
This effort is all I want from historical films I don’t need perfection I just want to know you made an effort to be accurate to your time period
I'm a sucker for good animation. You sold me on 'the Sea Beast.' I'm going to give it a watch here when I can scrape together enough free time to actually enjoy watching a movie. Thanks for the review.
I have enjoyed Sherwood Smith's fantasy novels set in 'Sartorias-Deles', some of which feature age-of-sail (ish) action in considerable detail. She even has a web page detailing the differences between the tall ships of our world and hers (navigational issues, no gunpowder/cannon, etc.) She appears to have researched the subject thoroughly.
Based upon my tall ship sailing experience the sailing commands are very accurate. Watching the bit where the “camera” is looking up the masts in slow motion it appears by the movement of the flag and the position of the yards that the wind is coming from their port quarter. It may simply be the angle and the animation, but they seem to be braced slightly to starboard to accept wind from that angle.
If the skipper wants to reverse direction and head upwind he will order hard a port on the rudder to begin kicking the stern in the appropriate direction. The fore & aft sail on the mizzenmast (my experience is with spankers, though this ship appears to have a lateen back there) will simultaneously be hauled into the wind to push the stern around.
Easing the headsails will relieve pressure on the bow, allowing it to turn into the wind.
Furling the main and fore (the lowest sails on the first two masts) will release the upper yards and allow them to be turned to dump the wind, so the vessel can pivot on her axis.
Tacking into the wind is a complex procedure and I wouldn’t expect them to follow the whole thing for a kids movie, or any movie for that matter. It would slow down storytelling too much, but what we see here makes the point that there is a lot going on.
Also when the skipper says “I’ll have her into the wind as high as she’ll bare.” He’s not telling the mate what he’s doing, he’s telling her what he wants. We often say that the mate is the only person onboard who is ACTUALLY sailing, because it is up to him / her to judge the wind and currents and instruct the crew properly to make the ship perform.
I’d say VERY well done!
I also love the uniforms, it reminds me of Austrian grenadiers during the early napoleonic wars
Animation is so underappreciated and underused. Imagine realistic stories, aimed at adults, in historical settings, with that level of attention to detail and passion. The medium of animation makes it relatively easier to create a whole another world on the screen, which is essential not only for fantastical but also (good) historical stories.
You may enjoy the series “Love, Death, and Robots” if you’ve not seen it yet! The name doesn’t really do the series justice. It’s a series of ten to thirty minute long animated short films for adult audiences, ranging from Lovecraftian horror to comedy. Most are sci fi.
@@BrandonF Thank you for the recommendation!
In defence of NTW’s canons being not lashed to anything, the more detail you add to this massive game the harder it’ll be to run on lower quality computers.
Theoretically, you could deal with that by having graphic settings with more & less detailed models. Of course, that'd still be more work for the 3D artists.
I have a similar thing with my writings. Alternate history, so events play out a bit different than expected, but the practicality and time period authenticity is still there.
Indeed, to suspend disbelief only goes so far, you have to make things consequential and in order, just like a good story is designed.
"Baby's first Master and Commander". I agree. It really is a spot on review and looking at the the scenes presented, it really is good even on naval terminology. Details are amazing, and definitely good for a children's movie. Very cool review. Great work. Keep it up.
"Oh no! the royal household owns the printing press! All their books must be false!" The "reveal" that the books were all printed at the royal printing press was neither a shock or a reason for concern.
Exactly. And then everyone just believes the kid without any fact checking
From pikes to pedantry to praise, Brandon provides it all
The real trifecta!
I member seeing the "Colombus was the first to realize the Earth was round" BS in kindergarten. Took a few year to realize how BS that was.
Interestingly these movies (sea beast and master and commander) share a historical advisor. Gordon Laco. I wonder if this has anything to do with it
I very much enjoyed the passion you exhibited when discussing this film, it was refreshing. I also gaffawed at the bit involving the Captain Crow song.
Damn, I shouldn't have gone back to rewatch that. Now it's stuck in my head.
The moment I saw this video, I somehow _knew_ you were gonna be talking about Sea Beast. Oh my God, that was such a great movie. I wish it got more attention online and I'm so glad you've covered it here.
I used to work at an archaeology unit. Our mini library had a good few shelves of "Kids Books". Good books of that sort present the facts in a clear and simple way and you can't ask more than that ^_^
Your comments of the language is reminiscent for me of when, on Babylon 5, Capt. Sheridan called for a time-on-target salvo on a Centauri vessel. Nobody would have noticed if they never did it but, using a true artillery technique that made narrative sense was lovely.
I loved B5 as a kid.
Imagine for a second being a Multi-Million Dollar Company, and your movie gets beaten in historical accuracy by a kids movie. (Intense pain noises ensues)
Speaking of Childrens films that have/told better history than big budget productions was a movie called "Sgt. Stubby: an Unlikely Hero" and how despite it being a children's film, it still managed to accurately portray WW1, along with James Conroy and Stubby's expirence in the War to End All Wars.
Although the film did take multiple liberties it still did a very good job of showing what the great war was like along with following one of the most decorated K9s in US history while also being able to be approachable enough for young children!
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You got it finalized!
Oh... This gives me an idea
The beginning of your video reminded me of an excellent saga of comic books about Spanish history called "Historia de Aquí por Forges" (History of Here by Forges), which were made by the Spanish cartoonist Forges. They are extremely well researched to the point that I used them as a source for information on high school, as they were made more in-depth than the history book we had (plus the jokes are excellent, if you know Spanish). There have been various editions, I have a copy of the originals that I received from my Grandmother, as well as two from a later edition centered around the XX century, called "La Guerra Incivil" (The Incivile War, centering around what led to the SCW and the conflict itself, but beginning with the "disaster of 1898") and "La Consti(tución) y la Transi(ción)" (The Constitution and the Transition, about the Transition period after the death of dictator Franco - which Forges lived - and the Spanish constitution, featuring a full length copy (also with cartoons). The authors really cared about Spanish history, and it shows in the comics.
The mock interruption!
Nice touch, Brandon.
Chris from _Comic Tropes_ approves, I'm sure.
Love the video, will definitely be lining up The Sea Beast for my 7 and 8 yr old boys who are obsessed with 18th C warfare. Quick point though, there is zero issue operating a flintlock from either shoulder (unless your beard discipline is really poor). Remember plenty of period flintlock double guns had a lock on each side of the piece and were used without issue. I am a left-handed left eye dominant flintlock shooter BTW, it's not just an opinion I regularly use a RH flintlock from my left shoulder. Unless you are saying it's a no-no from the perspective of close order formed units of infantry, in which case yes, you need to shoot from the right shoulder to maintain the integrity of the formation.
And since the enemy is large monsters, when fighting on land a loose formation could minimize casualties or allow and encircling of the beast. Though there could be a case for a wall of bayonets/square formation to deter a charge in the first place.
the attention to the details its something that only a person with knowledge, care for the viewer and responsibility would put in his work. Good work mister, you deserve my subscription.
In the defense of the lesson of the movie, until relatively recently in biology we did demonize animals. This lead to creatures like the Tasmanian Tasmanian tiger being hunted to extinction because it was thought to be a sheep killer, even though its jaws were to weak to actually kill them.
"we did demonize animals"
that's a sweeping generalization
@@Winaska a generalization for sure, but the point behind the post still stands. Rather it be the European wolf, tasmanian tiger, atlas lion, or Sumatra tiger. We tend to treat large predators as a problem that must be exterminated and not as natural parts of the ecosystem we must coexist with. Remember that the tasmanian tiger was a easy animal to blame for the life stock deaths, but killing them didn't solve the problem.
I loved this movie, it was a great piece that people put effort in. The animation was clean and fluid and my God the water animation looked great.
Thank you for taking the time to make this Video.
I remember seeing it with my kids and thinking to myself "Wow, this is way better and detailed than I ever expected it to be."
Thank you for providing the frame for my thoughts.
Does anybody remember that kids history cartoon called Liberty Kids?
I didnt, i grew up on muffin stories. They talked about various historical figures mostly from the 16, 17, and 1800s for season 8
ngl I hated liberty kids, i remeber the AMERICA! in the intro tho
I was really surprised by the quality of The Sea Beast. It kinda had everything I love: Pirates, monster hunting, and fun characters. Especially good ol' Captain Crow got really dark, great antagonist. And the acting was insane.
And honestly, there is no such thing as a 'kids' movie. Animation is not reserved for children.
Grew up watching Liberties Kids makes me happy seeing more shows and movies like this.
Good review. I read a lot of science fiction, and it really does make a difference if the author can be bothered with logical and consistent world-building. If there's a detail in a story that doesn't make sense in the context of the environment that the story takes place in, it spoils the immersion.
I love your channel keep up the great stuff!
I say this as someone who likes Regency history. Bridgerton is also a fantasy series. It's an adaptation of a fictional romance novel not actual Regency history. Same with Pirates of the Carribean. It has a pseudohistorical setting but it's a fantasy adventure film that features zombie pirates.
Not only did they animate the full flintlock mechanism in that scene, THEY SHOW HER PULLING NEW PISTOLS. She doesn't somehow magically fire a single shot weapon twice without reloading, she's carrying multiples. Granted they show her tossing away one of them, which is weird, but still...
god brandon love your channel, been a while since I checked on your videos, I'm on a sailing race team and yeah this film is really accurate, I have to check it out lore looks interesting as well.
I think by main they mean main sheet although not sure I sail MUCH smaller boats
or main sail
I really appreciate your passion and enthusiasm.
*Edit:* you didn't mention the fact she tossed the fired pistol away because she wouldn't have time to reload in this fight.
First thing I learned about a real pirate was when I was seven, reading the story in the Dutch equivalent of Popular Science ("Kijk" or Look, behold).
Blackbeard carried six pistols on his chest.
I thought that was badass, though it took me a few years to realize he would only be able to fire each pistol once in combat.
So the reason for him having six pistols was that he would be able to fire six shots before switching to his cutlass.
There was an extremely misleading infomercial on American television I guess, showing a guncrazy 18th century gentleman go into a bank (I think) and fire off a *musket.* He fires once then spends the rest of his time reloading the thing.
If he had any sense, he would have just brought a bunch of loaded pistols like Blackbeard had.
And a cutlass, for whenever he ran out of shots.
"More often than not it is just bad writing!"
Homer would like a word with you, sir!
13:39, the bayonet might be part of the gun or has some other locking mechanism as its not set in our world meaning it might be a different gun model that we do not have
Ngl the lower the budget sometimes means the more love and historically accurate it is
I don't mind women in combat or command roles as long as you make it logically work in your universe. If women are in combat than either you need some magic to boost their physical abilities or they need to focus on stealth and/or speed/maneuverability.
If women are in power in a pre-industrial culture then you need the historical and cultural worldbuilding to explain it. Though I also think you need the cultural and historical worldbuilding to explain any gender stereotypes in your world.
I dont even think they need magic or boost to their abilities. Women can be strong as fuck, not as strong as the strongest men, but women can handle a gun or carying heavy machinery for goods sake, they are not all built like hollywood models.
Women in combat do not need to be justified in anything that doesnt ressemble our own world. If you are thought, sadly, youll need to pull the receipts like: like in what country, in what century, what are their gender norms. Etc...
I think women can be in combat roles, but historically? Not so much. (Sexism, woohoo!)
Some of the best literature was written for younger audiences.
Yanno?.. I was already dreadfully past my bedtime.
I was listening to your video while getting ready for bed… realized I hadn’t really been soaking in what you were saying….
It’s now 7 am. Here I am plastered to the screen. You’ve seen me comment before, and I’ll say it again. Your enthusiasm and level of knowledge, and even your safe assumptions astound me. Keep up the amazing work!
I was watching Wallace & Gromit: The Curse of the Were Rabbit recently. At the end of the movie when the antagonist tries to shoot The Rabbit (Wallace) with an antique flintlock weapon, I noticed that it did not have any flint in it. I remembered this video immediately and was like, "How does he expect it to fire?" You did this to me lol.
I can see the atention to details for the instruments, 12:32. As a violonist i can confirm that the bow used is a baroque bow, used in this time periode and the strange "guitar" is a luth, also verry popular in this time periode. The atention to details is such that they put 2 strigs for every "note" and also put the gut frets that can be moved. You can see they truly care about details.
Earned a like and subscribe. Keep up the content!
This kids movie for all its issues has better and more accurate portrayal of historical firearms than Call Of Duty Vanguard or either Battlefield 1/5. Yes I said it. Fight me
its so enjoyable how excited he is about this i love it. i love when people are so passionate about things
I watched this film a couple weeks back and enjoyed thought they put into it. Loved the uniforms the royal soldiers wore.
My little sister had me watch this movie, and going into it I had no good expectations as most Netflix films had been incredibly disappointing in recent years. I was so glad to be completely amazed by how great this movie was. It captured the How To Train Your Dragon misunderstood creatures theme quite well but my one nitpick is that it follows it a bit too much in the footsteps of its forerunner. The accuracy of the film was beautiful and perfectly captured 18th century naval warfare. I loved every minute of this movie.
i think they add this level of detail in the off chance the childs parent was either a naval nerd or a sailor and make them have conversation to their kid like say yeah this is how they did it in real life
I might be a bit late, but one issue I noticed that I don't see commented here is related to when the order is given to turn to port.
During the age of sail, tiller commands we're used. Meaning when the order was to turn to port, the wheel would be turned to starboard, moving the tiller to port (basically, the order will state the direction opposite to where they wanted to turn the ship).
A famous example of this is the the sinking of the Titanic (tiller commands we're commonly used until the 1920 and 1930).
Although given that the ship is a privately owned ship, it could be explained away as them using their own method.
Huzza! New Brandon F. video!
About the scene with the flintlock. You have every damn right to call films out for not including that, since without it flintlock firearms cant even shoot. It would be like forgetting to load a modern gun, which to be fair most hollywood action movies do tend to leave out loading and just shoot away.
I also have been sailing on a state team (for under 18s) for the past few years, and honestly I want to watch it for myself since from the small clip I saw it seemed great, and hell. Great in a childrens animated movie. Bloody brilliant!
Liberty kids are what got me interested in the American Revolution.