Razor Sharpening from Bevel Set to Finish - Thiers Issard
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- čas přidán 12. 06. 2024
- If you've purchased a newer Thiers Issard Razor and it doesn't shave well, here's how to fix it.
Feel free to contact me with questions: drmatt1911@gmail.com
The Stones I used:
1. Atoma 400 & 1200
2. Shapton Pro/Kuromaku (same thing) 5K
3. Norton 8K - can also use the Shapton 8K here, I used to but it broke
4. ILR - The 2X6 is plenty and no need for the premium. imperialaroccia.com/6standard...
All of the Shapton, Naniwa stones, Atoma plates and CBN sprays can be had here at my Chef Knives To Go webpage. www.chefknivestogo.com/drmast... - Jak na to + styl
This has been one of the most helpful videos on this subject that I have seen so far. Thank you for the very practical and approachable wisdom you share on the art. I'm a licensed barber, formally trained in a barber college for two-thousand hours and have over 30 years of experience in the profession of hair-cutting. However, I, have never mastered the art of honing razors even though I practiced honing vigorously in barber college and a little thereafter. I'm now venturing again to master this art because I would really like to bring some of my estate sale straight razor finds into shaving condition. Ultimately, I would like to put into regular use, a cache of straight razor into my servicing routines at the barber shop, reducing my reliance on replaceable straight razors. I think that I have gotten a few blades into range of fair shaving function but far from what I perceive to be possible based on videos like yours.
This all makes me wonder just how many barbers can actually do this. It seems a most onerous undertaking but I really want to be that barber in modern times who can indeed keep straight razors in optimal shaving condition. This had to be a significant part of a barber's work when he had to rely on traditional straight razors to shave. An think of the home-shavers and do-it-yourselfers who, before the safety razors, developed this skill-set to give themselves shaves on a regular basis.
I have ruined a lot of stones and razors over the years trying to hone a razor. I also now realize that the preparation and training I got from barber college was rather inadequate for actually mastering the art of honing: there was, I now surmise, no real expectation of my instructors for success because the training did not even come close to bringing me into the realm of mastery. Without the type of wisdom and insight you are sharing, I would could forever expect to be frustrated demoralized by failure. What I now perceive to be the actual learning curve for success in honing with consistency makes my barber college honing training seem a bit gimmicky.
Even after two years, you still respond. One of the reasons you're at the top of the list for my razor info.
Thanks J.! 😁
This man’s setting aspirations, never even thought about a sharpening den
Thank you so much doc, 4 years after buying my first TI i managed to get it there thanks to this video …. Best wishes !
You made it look so easy. But the precision of the moments and accuracy showed sheer experience! Wow
A Dr. Matt honing video! What a great way to start off the weekend!
I remember Danny’s Lego candy machine. I can’t believe how much time has passed. You guys have such awesome, talented children. Love seeing what they’re up to!
Thanks Shawn but they get their talent (and fortunately their looks) from their mother!
I always learn something new, or am reminded of something I have forgotten while watching your sharpening vids. You have been my primary coach since I began honing my razor and I do appreciate your taking the time to share!
Thanks Darwin and you're welcome. I'm glad you could benefit from the content.
What a great video! You're clearly well equipped and highly skilled with honing.
Superb video, thanks for taking the time to make it. Your a pro and make it look simple, i’m slowly getting there myself and every video i pick up 1 or 2 top tips which helps, this video i’ve picked up diamond slurry on the synthetic and pressure on the start & mid range stones. Thanks again
Thank you Jon and I’m glad you could make use of the content. Just remember, weight of the blade is for girls!
Excellent video! Always a pleasure to watch you work. Great job Danny.
James Covington - Thanks James and Danny does do a great job!😁
The panache with which you hone those razors is a testament of experience. cheers man!
The apple doesn't fall far from the tree! The ingenuity that is shared between you is obvious even at such a young age and you certainly have a great deal to be proud of... as does he!
You make it look so easy! I think the pressure is something I need to make more consistent. Great Video as always!
Don't be afraid to lean on it. Thanks for stopping by Jeff.
You are exactly right about pressure. Been honing my own for nearly five years and have followed you closely. I’ve never had issues out of 45 razors, both new and vintage. Thank you!
Leon Schrei - You’re very welcome Leon and it warms my heart to hear stories like yours!😌
DrMatt357 This old truck driver needed to find something do in the truck at night besides watch movies and read books. I found SR shaving, honing, stropping, and everyday is a shaving adventure. I’m no longer a truck driver but a SR shaver looking for a truck stop at night.
You have really amazing skill with that.. I was under impression that there is nothing difficult about honing straight razor but this video woke me up and shoved me that its like any other hobby... Beautiful work🙏
Thanks George. There is nothing difficult about it but kinda like that Carnegie Hall saying!!
Always great and informative Dr. Matt. Great job Danny 👍
Thanks Martinj!
nice! that's a sharp blade ... my first shave with a not-so-sharp TI, that hurt! Thanks for the video, getting my honing game down ...
Wish this video had been around when I bought my Theirs Issard razor. I had this exact problem with the same TI razor...it took me a long time to figure out the spine was off and needed to be fixed with honing. Great video Doc. Cheers Mike in Nova Scotia, Canada.
Michael Reppa - Thanks Mike. Glad you enjoyed it. 😁
Beautiful ending, it almost made me tear up. Thanks for your videos.
It was just something in your eye. No worries. 😉
Great instructional, Doc. I'll be purchasing a Norton 8k and 12k soon and following these vids. On a side note, great job raising your kids, man... There's a lot to be said for men that are able to raise young men.
Thomas the Shaver - Thanks Tom. You must have children!😉
Great video, you showed me where I was going wrong honing my razor. I was scared of applying any pressure, then wondering why it wasn't getting any sharper
As usual, such great insight and a wonderful approach.
Jeffrey F. Milarsky - Thanks Jeff. Yes, a little discipline that even the French can understand!😆
I sharpen knives and never sharpen straight razors but I can still learn a lot from you guys
Thank you. I do have a video on how to sharpen knives made for razor guys.
Thank you for these Videos I just was able to sharpen my Brother in law's Razor he had given up on.... he shaved with it today...... Cheers Sir.
That is awesome! Makes your balls bigger don't it!
You make something very difficult look relatively easy... Impressive!.. And thanks for working on my Boker and the additional advice on my meager honing efforts.
You're welcome Melton and hope it's still working well for you.
@@drmatt357 I'm the most handsome 74 yr-old devil in my neighborhood because it it! LOL.
Great educational video doc. I had that same razor and ran into that problem, best way too fix it, is just like you did. Shout out to Danny great filming!!!!!!
Thanks Luke. When these TIs are sorted, I think they're the best modern mass produced razors out. The only thing close or equal is the Wacker.
Yeah I totally agree, definitely for the modern razors their making now. Love the TI I got like the one you have and all the Wacker’s I have. I’m like you when honing I don’t mind at all using pressure cuts faster, I just don’t see the weight of the blade to hone with it’s just too slow, except on the final finishing strokes like you said. See ya on the next video Doc.
This video, mate, turned me into a real pro!!! THANK YOU!
I'm joking about my "pro", but I finally revived an old jalopy and I shaved today with it.
I was working on that blade from 2 weeks without any clue, reducing the blade from 6/8 to 5/8 without to be able to cut a single hair.
Well, after this video and half an hour on the stones, it worked and I turned a "letter opener" into a phreeking razor!
Thanks again!
Bloody hell! Good on you Mate! but be careful who you tell... this is one of my videos that some in the communitay are calling to be banned. It's that evil spine work I show that obviously got your blade to work. Cheers!
Another great instructional video start to finish! Easy Peasy honing from Dr Matt!
Thanks Bobby!
Wow Dr Matt, I've been watching your videos and emailing you for a couple of years now and everytime you have helped me overcome any difficulty on a razor. But man! This video is a Masterclass, it took me back to when I looked on multiple videos from your collection, to get all the steps to correct, sharpen and hone a razor from the start. THAN YOU for this. (And as a fellow parent, congrats on your new camera man, hope one day one of mine shares one of my passions with me also).
PD: if you would grant me a wish, I'd love to see you handle a smiling and frowning edge (honing as is, but also how to correct them to straight geometry.... a wedge would be nice too...I have one that still resists y efforts).
Thanks Cristian. I've had several requests for an old smiling wedge. It's on my short list to do so as soon as a suitable one comes in, Danny and I will be on it!
Nice. You do make it look so easy.
You’re the man! I knew most stuff here you you make it look earlier. Thanks a bunch’s my TI’s are perfect but my do is give me drouble. I see to watch more!!!
Thank you Brian. Don’t feel bad about the Dovos. They’re always trouble. 😉
I will be trying to apply some of these techniques. I have two mostly unusable dovos at the moment, and i have to resort to using some vintage backup knives to get my face in order.
You are awesome man! This video is stuck in my head
Dang! That hanging hair test was incredible. That is one fine edge. Hats off to you good sir.
B Frazer - It’s a parlor trick!😆 I say that because there is technique involved but the most important part of performing the test is the hair. Ethnic, usually darker skinned women. Indian, American Indian, Middle Eastern and even Asian women. All have wonderful, thick,dark stalks of hair just made for this!😏
@@drmatt357 Haha I recall you saying something to that effect in a previous video, still, quite impressive to watch.
As a side note: Thank you for the content. I just started with straight razors about a year ago. I now own 2. The first one I got I simply could not for the life of me get sharp. Frustrated, I went to youtube where I watched you do the wobble test and discuss edge geometry and ways to fix it. I went backs to mine and indeed there was a warp in the spine. It now works quite well so thank you for sharing your experience.
Very cool Doc and Danny, great info there. Cheers!
Thanks for this one, Doc. I had exactly this issue with my TI, right slap in the center of the spine too.
But after some work setting the geometry, its all good.
Works like a charm!
Dr. Matt - thanks for the insightful video! You certainly touched on quite a few questions I’ve had. I’ve got a better understanding of setting the bevel, and should be able to keep by Dovo serviceable for years to come after your work on it this week (it should be arriving today). Thanks again! Scott G.
Hey I just got started in the wet shaving and I have the red prorasso soap, but was wondering about another recommendation and your the man to ask! Thanks for the videos!!
James Gentry - Thanks for tuning in. Check these guys out: aegrooming.com/collections/shaving-soaps
Watching a master at work.
Where? Where? Thanks J.!
Best video so far i’ve seen about sharpening straight razors. My brandnew Dovo has never been sharp. Not from factory and recently re-sharpened…Still not good… gonna try to grind/hone myself now…
Thank you! Be sure to watch my “Sharpening your first eBay razor” first if you haven’t already.
It takes years of hard work and passion to hone em like that. Looks like you've done a great job. Oh and nice job on the straight as well.😉
Doug Bear - LOL! Thanks Doug😁
I’m so getting one.. thanks for the content.
Masterfully done
Doc, this might be your best video. You debunked a few myths about honing. The weight of the blade crap is probably the most toxic myth for a new honer.
Thanks Ramon. Yes, there's a lot of silliness out there. I don't know if guys put it out there to purposely misdirect people or they're really that confused.
Really awesome to see your doing these videos again. If I may make a request, I’d love to see you hone a smiling razor(start to finish). I’m more curious as to your different set of movements on the stones and how you clean up the scratch marks.
Thanks Mondo. If the right one comes in, I'll do video of it. Actually, not much difference but I'll do it.
Nice work, Danny!
This is Danny and thank you Sir!
Great video wow wish I had your talent for sharping straight razors.
Triple G - Thanks G but it’s a learned skill and most anyone can do it.😁
Awesome Dr. Matt .
Very nice video thanks for sharing your knowledge ...
good job! i REALLY like your sink.!
Thank you!
First - thanks for all the information. Lots of good tips and techniques. I’ve watched a couple different videos on this and in several I’ve heard the term “sticky” used which preceded a change in the what was being done. Could you please explain that term as I am about to attempt to “refresh” my first two razors and I have a feeling that’s going to be very important.
Thanks again for all the info.
Great video!
Your technique continues to allude me. It's always nice to watch your X strokes and crazy stropping. Thanks from Texas. Norton 8k and/or 5k is on my list for next stone. I hate my Kitayama 8k.
Yes, my favorite 8Ks are the Norton and the Shapton Pro. I've used the Shapton glass and that was pretty good too.
@@drmatt357 I am not a big Shapton fan. All I have is a 1k. My technique really loads up the edges of the stone. In other words, I prefer rounded stones, not completely flat. But Shapton cuts so well that it isn't unimagineable that I wouldnt' change my technique.
Very cool Dr. Matt.
Great, very good job
A TI razor with a wobble? Par for the course, but...when dialed in with Dr. Matt’s magic touch...an amazing and worthy blade that sings.
That they do but the really good part is that they'll be super easy to maintain after this.
I tried this on my ti 7/8 French point and it works amazing 🤩 thanks Matt
Thank you Gary. Yes it works despite what some of those blokes may think! 😉
Really amazing!
Danny must be 18 now. My daughter just turned 15. They grow up so fast don't they? Great video Dr Matt. I was wondering who was doing all the great camera work for you. Very cool.
Ugh, that last scene where the hair just falls over the blade, so awesome!
I'm a fan Dr!
Thank you Sir!
Great hone dr.Nice job.
Just left a FB group as couldn’t be bothered arguing with an asshole there that the spine was part of the bevel, he suggested your video was bad advice and was responsible for ruining many a decent razor. I think he was a “weight of the blade” and 3 layers of tape guy. Sad people everywhere Doc, hope you are well. Greetings from Gibraltar.
I live rent free in some of these guys heads.😆 There are even a few who want some of my videos censored. That’s even funnier!
Thanks for stopping by and I’m glad you enjoy the content and can make use of the material.
Much respect great guys right there! Thank you just beginning always have loved to sharpen now I need to learn to do it right think I've found my teacher
Thank you! You may want to check out some others as you could find out I’m crazy and don’t know what the hell I’m talking about!😉
@@drmatt357 then I'll pick right on up in that I'm kinda that way myself sitting at the plant waiting to build one of these cranes sharpening stuff back here on the trailer while I wait didn't realize there was such a science to it just thought grandpa was good at it 😆
Dr Matt your a magic man I prolly would have fd that thing up thats why we send them to you. You sir are the best.
Well, if you eff a few up, you'll get it down! 😏
Well done, Gentlemen. Thank you. Fun to watch.
Thank you and I'll let the Gentleman know as well!
Lol👍
I see it’s like japanese single edge knife ‘s backside. For that knife, barely stroke like 100:1
As a beginner, i got cheap one to practice sharpening and shaving. So this video is very helpful. Thanks mate!
Great vid doc I really like that wobble test it would of saved some of my hitting the garbage 🗑 cheers
Well now you know Johnny B! 😉
Great video man.
Great thanks Matt
My pleasure!
Thanks for sharing that. Someday I’ll attempt to hone.
Great video, Dr. Matt! -Luke
Thanks Luke. We'll have to get you into a straight for that dome of yours!
DrMatt357 absolutely! I have wanted to make the switch to something more professional and classic for a while now instead of the old Mach 3. I’ll research your videos and see what direction is good for me! Thanks in advance for the advice.
Thanks
Interesting, last week i honed a Boker and a Dovo , both like that.. The Dovo was particularly bad like I never seen on any vintage.
I wonder if all the new blanks come from the same manufacture.
Great instructional video !
Pedro Carvalho - Thank you Pedro. I know that most all of the German razors come from the same blanks but TI does their own. But this grind problem is not unique to the French. 😏
Greetings from central Europe.
I'm fascinated how easy you sharpened that razor. Really great job! Thank you for sharing this video.
I'd like to have a question on you, sir:
At 8:42 you "killed" the already sharpened edge. Is this moment of "killing" - making dull - standard step during your sharpening at the 8000 grit? And why at that moment and not sooner.
Thank you for your answers. JT
Good question JT. Killing the edge as I show is controversial. My detractors will tell you I don’t know what I’m doing, it’s unnecessary and you’re causing undue harm to the blade. Thing is, they can’t see what I see under my scope at 1000X.
When you have the blade on a 400 diamond plate, it can leave some deep grooves and a toothy edge. I do it at 8K instead of sooner because with the 8K you won’t re-create the toothiness giving the smoothest edge.
Could you do it without killing the edge? Yes but there’s an increased chance of a rougher edge.
You make it look so easy.
Thanks Jill. You'll have to give it a go with your Gold Dollar!
@@drmatt357 more product still to buy to try honing/sharpening on my own. Need a 12 k finishing stone, a flattener. chromium oxide etc still Just have an 8k and 12k Shapton thus far so not much I can with those right now, right?
I just ordered one of these! Recommend by the Stallion
I just have barber stones. One has a red side to it. Do you think it will do a good enough job?
Just had the BEST shave ever after following your tutorials RE honing. I'm using a cheap Dovo ⅝" Classic Straight Razor. Just went through honing as the wobble test showed the bevel was set already. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Yo Adrian, thank you and you’re welcome!
Really Interesting. What I would like to know, is there any difference, if you use "cheap" stones...I know this might not make much sense, but what if someone has some simple waterstones for 30 bucks and want to sharpen his razor only with this items....For example budget 8000 grid stone and a leather with some grinding paste. Otherwise really good videos !
Well greetings from Denmark 🇩🇰😉 you are AWESOME and I serious need your skills for my blade.. its blunt, so every time I’m shaving it hurts 😂 so.... need to find some stones so I could try to do some magic to it and with your helping videos, hopefully my face wouldn’t look like something from a horror movie 😂😂
I liked having the details of the 400 Atoma in the video subtitle, but I would like it even more if you put a list of the stones used in the video description.
John Auld - Great suggestion John. I’ll add it in tomorrow. 😁👍🏻
Hey Doc, 11:36 what manufacturer is that pocket knife?
Exactly right what you said people are afraid to get rough, but some razors need reshaping which means pressure and removing metal, hone wear is a beautiful thing. 😮😆
that was fantastic
Yes it was!😉 Thank you Mate.
I agree with you on the weight of the blade pressure. Give me a break I don’t have hours to hone a razor!
Sharper Edges - Right!
Thanks for the video, and nice to see the ending. How are those Atoma's holding up? Would you recommend any other diamond plate over them?
Thank you! No, Atomas are the best.
@@drmatt357 Thank you!
Love that shirt 😍
Thank you! It's all about the colors Gurl!!
Another innocent tomato sacrificed in the name of sharpness. Great vid Dr Matt.
David chaffin - Yes David, drives the wifey madd!😂😂😂
I'm eyeing off a Boker ⅝" or 6/8" with the Paul shell scales. Any thoughts on Boker and ⅝" vs 6/8"?
Not a fan of the modern German steel razors. Would suggest a Thiers Issard. If you go to my “What’s the best straight razor for beginners” video, there’s a link in the description from Knife Center (not the place I discuss in the video as that special is gone and the KC special is much better) for a TI razor for a really good price.
Get a 6/8.
I have two razors that I have really enjoyed using, but I had a problem with my hands after I retired from the military, and notched the blades on both. How can get them restored to where I can get back to using them?
If you can, send me a pic of what you're talking about. drmatt1911@gmail.com
Sweet sharpening man cave.
Hi great videos do you have a video on honing a Japanese kamisori straight razor thanks
Juan Barba - I don’t Juan but there are several out there. It’s a ratio of 3:1 or 7:1 and I even heard 10:1. That would be more passes on the side with the bigger angle. I’ve done a few over the years. Aside from the count, they’re the same. Oh, you may want to tape the spine as in many of the, the spine is a softer metal and can wear really fast compared to the edge.
Thank you I’ve seen some videos but I like the way you make it looks simple and the way you explain it so if there’s anyway you could make quick video I would appreciate it maybe just send it to me if you don’t want to do a whole vide on CZcams and thanks again for the reply
Apparently you can do a razor on the Edge pro... still curious to see how that turns out.
Crixus The Gaul - That would be silly but I could sharpen a razor on the 1X6 EP stone.
I understand that you need pressure when you do your honing to get enough metal off for a good sharp bevel. However, when I see you stropping you apply quite an amount of pressure too with the strap not being overly tight: Aren't you afraid of rounding off the edge?
No! 😉
More Danny please
I'm sure he'll be making appearences as time goes on.
Hey Matt, new to honing here. My razor is a legrelot half hollow. I have a king 4k and am waiting for a 8k naniwa. How do you assess when the job is done with the 4k ? What about testing for 8k ? Is the hanging hair test only available after 12k ? Also what would you take for a third stone, 12k naniwa or 16k shapton ? Thanks for the vids man
Watch my video “how to sharpen your first eBay razor” and if you have more questions, email me.
God job son❤️
Hi have you ever tried to hone on a lydian - touchstone and what is your opinion?
I have not. I have seen people do it and seen edges under a microscope from them and they look very nice. It is an extremely hard stone, in the translucent Arkansas territory which would make it a burnisher. Ultra high polish to the edge.
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