Just order my today and I cannot wait to have her in my hands....after viewing many image galleries of the top DSLRs I realized this is the camera for me...the colors, the sharpness, its dynamic range looks perfect in my eyes. I have been using a 6D for the past 4 years so I can see this wonderful beast serving me minimum 4 years or longer. There are a few functions that would be nice to have like eye focusing, zebras, etc...but is not something I could not live without.
Hopefully, you're still rocking the good ol' 5D mark IV @Anthony M 👍 It's interesting to see how the direction of the camera industry have shifted since the release of this camera.
Watching a Canadian say AA, and Moire all in one sentence made my head spin and then I laughed exactly like you did. It sounded like you said "eigh-eigh" or eh', eh' and more-eh'! Haha, all joking aside great review and since we never see snow unless above 5,500ft here in Southern California, so that was also nice to see for a change. I'm very late to the party here with the 5D Mark IV and have a funny or crazy backstory. You said the D800E/D810 outdid this camera, and I agree for most specs, but I will also admit I have owned two D850's, I own two D6's and I had three different D500's over the years. Yet, I don't like Nikon mirrorless, so I'm slowly switching to Canon the cheap and fast way, while I wait for a deal on the R3. My local store that our newspaper's have an account at, could've given me one the other day (An R3) however it was technically spoken for by a Non-CPS member and the store obviously has to make money, so I'm the slow train waiting for an R3 at the cost price we get, which is likely 10% above actual dealer cost, we only get this deal becasue we have so, so much gear and buy and sell gear every year as we slowly upgrade. We have Z9's, but I can't stand them, the noisy files and EVF both are not great, I much prefer my D6. However the R3 specs are much closer to what I prefer, low noise/great DR at High ISO in low-light conditions I often find myself in, nearly daily (every other day?) as a photojournalist. Some days you get 3 assignments and some days we just listen to scanners/radios and self dispatch ourselves from home to breaking news, such as wildfire's, shootings, murder, etc., etc.!
Ty that was very helpful I just received this camera for Christmas after buying the 6D Mark III brought that one back because I wasn't happy with that one at all
That was a great review, overall. I'm surprised how quickly you dismissed dual pixel autofocus, however. It tracks a walking/moving subject far better than the average photographer could manually focus on a moving subject unless they have many years experience as a professional videographer . To say you wouldn't trust technology for focus-pulling is ridiculous as the whole camera is technology. You trust it for general autofocus and metering, etc., why wouldn't you trust it for general video focusing (within the limits of its capabilities)?
cooloox, you're correct that Dual Pixel AF is helpful for a photographer in basic situations: a walking subject at a close distance to the camera, a talking head moving slightly through your depth of field. Though as you said, for a videographer with many years of experience, that experience will do a better job during the most demanding situations. I completely stand by what I said, in that I can not trust Dual Pixel AF when capturing critical footage. I am an experienced videographer with many years under my belth and when capturing a bird in flight or a coyote moving through grass, Dual Pixel AF is useless. Interrupting objects coming between the subject and camera, long distances and flat contrast settings leave Dual Pixel AF baffled and hunting. Metering and auto focus for still photography is only momentary - fractions of second, capturing video is minutes. Although Dual Pixel AF works well and reliably for basic situations, when facing challenging and demanding scenes it's not worth losing a shot.
This guy is good. He's one of the very best I've listened to on CZcams photography videos. A fair degree of his comments I didn't understand - they are simply beyond my range at present though I have about 3 years of rather intense effort in photography. It takes time to absorb it. I just wish I could be around him for a month or two.
Excellent work. Probably the most honest and unbiased review on youtube right now. I own the Mark IV and I just have one note. You don't necessarily need to transcode the 4k footage. I can fluently edit the files on Premiere (including adding filters and transitions etc) without having to transcode. 0 dropped frames. The catch is you do need a powerful computer to pull it off. That and the amount of storage needed are, for me, the only real problems with the 4k on the Mark IV. The workflow is challenging but the quality is amazing.
Very true NMR. I too have no issues editing 4K footage in real-time without the need to transcode. However, the storage is ridiculous! The quality is good, but quality versus data rate is unacceptable. The 4K Blackmagic URSA mini captures CinemaDNG RAW at 265MB/s and the quality is miles better than the 5DmarkIV. I realize the URSA mini is a dedicated video camera, but there are people who purchased the 5DmarkIII and markII primarily for video use and I can't see anyone picking up a 5DmarkIV solely for capturing video when there are better options at a comparable price point.
But there are those like me, you need a reflex for both stills and video, and this is the question that I currently have. The 5d markIV suits me for the photos, but especially the 1080p video is not the greatest quality, true?
True. The Panasonic GH4 is a fair comparison, but I don't consider the Sony A7 series competitors - their battery life, over heating sensors and overall reliability are too much to ignore.
4:33 Strange, because even sitting here at my desk, whatching this video in HD, I can clearly see the left eye moving in and out of focus. Stuff like that can transform a good shot into a master shot.
Neil, that time lapse of the northern lights was astonishingly beautiful. I grew up in Saskatoon and this whole review, while excellent, became a giant memory-lane trip for me. This is the second time I`ve watched this review through; just super useful - many thanks. This review, and Dustin Abbot`s and Tyler Stahlman`s reviews, are all so, so good. Why are you all Canadian?
Since I got my 5DIV, I have loved this camera. There is nothing I need it to do that it doesn't do. I agree with you about dual pixel RAW, the file sizes don't justify the small benefit. There are a number of features such as the wireless file transfer via Wi-Fi, and the Canon Connect phone app that can be used to completely control the camera, (video and stills) that few people seem to talk about. Also being able to produce a time-lapse right in the camera at 1080p is also a great feature. I haven't upgraded my video card to 4K, no 4k monitor, so I'm looking at a cost of about $5-grand to get comfortably into 4K. So why bother right now... Another cool thing is the 5D MIV, with the 50mm f1.2 lens can shoot video at a low light level that I can't even see in. All in all it is an expensive camera, but at this point, I've forgotten the cost. Now I'm just having a ball with the camera. I also have a 7D Mark II. The only reason I kept it is the longer reach. But both cameras use the same batteries and basically operate the same - same focus system, GPS etc. The 7D MII does 10 frames/second, some people are all about speed, but I don't use it like that.
Excellent appraisal, hand-in-hand, in terms of sheer quality, with the tests and reviews DPR made. It is a pleasure when reviews are product-centered and not brand driven, showing us the positives and negatives of a camera. Kudos!
Thanks NimbusKhan, I certainly tried to show both the negatives and positives of the camera and not focus too heavily on brand loyalties - not that I hold any :P
If you're a wedding photographer and have tested the dual pixel AF i believe you will disagree with the statements about that function here. Just goes to show that different types of photography will find different uses for functions. Also note that ISO numbers are useless; ISO numbers into the 10s of thousands are gimmics regardless of the manufacturer. If you compare the ISO sensitivity to past 5D products you will find it's not just an expanded range but also a higher quality of sensitivity. Great video Neil. Keep em coming.
I really want to go full frame, currently have the 80D and have invested a lot in Canon lenses so I'm basically locked in to there cameras. I really want a FF pro body with a flippy screen. I like doing macro work and that's a God send on the 80D but really could do with a FF sensor. Don't know whether to hold my breath and hope one materialises in the near future or just take a plunge and buy a Mark iii or iv. First world problems i know!
Good review but just to say that moving to a crop with 4K video does not change the pixels on subject and therefore does not change the effective focal length of the lenses you are using. All it changes is the field of view, which has no important bearing on wildlife photography.
I do understand how crop sensors only impact field of view, however in this case the difference between capturing 1080p video versus 4K video does result in more pixels of a subject being captured. Though as you said it's not necessarily more pixels on a subject, because 1080p video is a full sensor read out without any pixel binning :)
nice way of reviewing a camera - hands on with lots of info, video, and stills - not just 24 hours of testing before rambling on about the negatives and not just a fan boy praise - but based on actual use over a month of shooting - great work - thank you
Ruben, that's exactly what inspired me to create this video. I'd watched countless 'review' videos from people who had literally just said goodbye to the Fedex driver - people who hadn't taken the time to actually use or evaluate the camera personally and would just regurgitate specs in a create manner. I'm glad to hear you liked it :)
Good review! I own the Fuji X-T2 and got the 5D MIV in December as a full frame side kick off some of my not much used Fuji lenses. I also previously shot with the D500 but the iso 6400 and above in low light had a lot of luminance noise, but being aps c, I expected that. I have also owned the 10D and 20D in the past and have been a fan of Canon colors and the 5D series as a whole but never owned one until now!
this was the best 5D4 review on youtube, yeah, its mid 2019 and I just bought my brand new 5D4 and needed reassurance, well done mate, I still have that question though, does it also crop your image while using FHD instead of 4K?
This is by far the best review ive seen so far. Very intuitive and detailed. Thank you so much my m4 will be here next week thanks to your awesome review, super excited. One question I've never shot 4k how exactly do you transcode the video? How fast of a c.f. and SD would you recommend. Thanks again
Thanks for the feedback Wine Country Games. 😀 Computer processors and GPU's have advanced to the point where a modern workstation shouldn't need to transcode files from the Canon 5DmkIV. However, if you're editing video with an older system that is unable to playback the motion jpeg mov files in realtime, you may want to consider transcoding files and/or creating proxies. Transcoding is simply the process of creating a duplicate video file with a lower bit rate or more processor friendly codec. In regards the memory cards: the Canon 5D mark IV's SD card slot in only UHS-I and it's recommended that 4K video is captured on Compact Flash cards. I personally use CF cards with a write speed of 160 MB per second and never encountered any buffering issues. Hope this helps. 😀
Stumbled upon this video today. Fantastic! Neil your camera presence and video/editing skills are superb, you really should do more of these videos, you could get quite a following. Subscribed.
I'm only a few years late in replying, but thanks for the kind words @Mike Dixon 👍 It's been quite fun producing video like this, but boy doesn't it take a bunch of time to make them 😆😆😆
I'm only a few years late in replying, but thanks for the feedback @Thamer Abalkhail 👍 All the music used in this video is from CZcams's own music library - nothing too fancy 😃😃😃
I was waiting to replace my 5d markii's but at $4,500 CAD & the cost to replace my gen1 L glass to gen2 is horrifically over priced. It's kinda sad as I've grown as a photographer with Canon over the last 15 years but I guess Canon has now outgrown me. :(
Great video. good to hear a honest review. I purchased mine and was nervous hearing all the negative comments. I agree that it is an all around camera. loved your photos and video. I need to visit Canada more often! i mostly shoot landscapes, wildlife, and macro. keep up the good work.
Thanks Jeff, I too was a bit nervous at first :P Canada is such a diverse country for landscapes and wildlife, the east and west coasts are beautiful, but at the same time the rolling prairies are just as beautiful in their own way. And then there's the arctic, if you visit only one location in Canada it needs to be the far north :)
That was a great review. There was just one thing which didn't seem right to me, which was the comment you made about the dual focus AF. Although there are very good cameras with 4K, like the panasonic GH5 and similar cameras, and some very good Sony options, none are as smooth using automatic focus. Canon's dual autofocus AF for videos is aesthetically way beyond other camera manufacturers' offerings. Photographers are not going to have professional levels of experience to allow them to pull focus manually so making that comparison is not valid. If you are making a video with people in it and faces go in and out of focus in a jerky way the video is ruined. Of course Canon doesn't want to undercut it's dedicated video cameras by making it's cameras too good at video but dual pixel AF is groundbreaking. I want to buy this camera, your video helped with my decision making, thank you, I love your comments and observations about low light performance and dynamic range, but I think you downplayed the importance of dual pixel AF.
Kevin, I totally agree with everything you’ve said. My comments about DPAF were more directed to cinematographers and those capturing video in no repeatable situations. It’s been well over a year since creating this review and I still feel the autofocus is no replacement for experience with manual focus pulling. The number of instances during which I had autofocus fail and begin hunting in environments that I would consider basic is substantial. If I’m capturing footage of an animal in the wild and I want the footage to be in focus - I don’t rely on autofocus. However, I do recognize that ‘photographers’ who do not have experience with manual focus while filming will find the DPAF helpful.... hope this rambling makes sense.
To all the cons add the absence of replaceable focusing screen (to be able to use manual focus lenses precisely) something is not understandable in a camera of this type when even the 6d offers that possibility.
WOW! Well done, Mr. Fisher. Your hard work (in producing this excellent review) has been my deciding factor in taking the plunge. I'll be upgrading my 7D Mark II for this new @CanonCanada 5D Mark IV. Your video has also made me homesick, thank you. (from just north of Regina) Calling Mum now.
+Glen glad to hear it was helpful. It's been well over a year since picking up my 5DmkIV and I still very much enjoy using it. I'm a SK transplant and am originally from the west coast - but love the prairies just as much as the ocean. 😀
The 5D Mark 4 was great when it first came out in 2016, but it is NOT WORTH $3200 new in 2021 when you can buy the new R6, with much upgraded features and processor, which blows the 5D of the water, for basically the same price! Why pay $3200 for 2016 Camera when you can pay the SAME PRICE and get a much better 2021 Camera! The prices of these cameras should DROP as they get older. Would you pay the same price for a 2016 Car as you would for the same car but 2021?
Thanks for a great review (location is awesome). The video capability of the camera is really of zero concern to me as I never shoot video and I'm strictly photo-centric. I shoot landscapes, night-sky (astro), and airshows (of which the 7 fps would be great - and that more advanced AF system rocks). I currently shoot with a 6D and it's slower 4.5 fps makes airshows a challenge but I've managed to get some awesome images with the 6D. I rented a 5DM4 for the last airshow and the difference was compelling to make me consider the 5DM4. I need a 2nd camera body (already have $$ invested in Canon glass) so this might do the trick - just wish it wasn't $3500 USD.... there is so much I love about the 6D I don't think I'd give it up. (100% agree with your comment on the articulating screen - I don't trust them, 6D does NOT have it either, and I prefer the "solid" less-moving-parts design)
I'm at little late in responding, but thanks for the feedback @Mark Streit 👍 It's interesting looking back and seeing how significantly the camera industry has changed in such a considerably short period of time. Hope you're still confident with the camera path you chose 😃😃😃
Thanks for your review of the Mark4. I have and use the camera as well. Have you been able to handle a Canon EOS R5 yet? Will you be reviewing the R5 in the future. Keep your video's coming, they are great.
Many thanks @Jerry Niehaus 😃 I haven't yet been able to play with an EOS R5 and it's price here in Canada will ultimately be the determining factor in whether I bite the bullet or not. Having said that, its specifications are remarkable - and as someone who shoots video more than seventy-five per cent of the time... I want it badly 😝😝😝
Thanks for the effort. I was anticipating something that would move me, this is why I sold my 5D3 a few months ago. Now I am considering shifting brands...what a perfect timing lol.
Thanks for a truly excellent review, love how you put the exif data at the bottom of sample video and photos from the camera. After some deliberation I'm going to upgrade from my 5D3 to the 4 now, and your video helped me with that decision.
+Malcolm King thanks for the feedback. The upgrade from the 5DmkIII may not look substantial on paper when comparing specs, but once you have the opportunity to use the newer 5DmkIV the difference are very noticeable and do make the upgrade worthwhile. 😀
Thank for the video, great info. I wonder why you went from a D800 to Canon though, as later the D800E and D810 were I believe all together better cameras than a 5D IV (no low pass, higher res. (D810), better at noise even and better DR...). Was it because of the lenses selection/price, or some other restriction that turned you to Canon ? Or did you value the 5D IV speed as the sole reason to switch over those somewhat better characteristics hat the D810 has ? Very curious of that. I'm stuck with a lot of Canon glass but otherwise I wonder if would not have picked the D810 over the 5D IV for most cases, notably macro and landscape, then birding, trading sharpness (no AA) and resolution/crop potential of the D810 over the 5D IV FPS/buffer capacity only... You got to admit that it's a lot of factor favoring the D810 all together, so I wonder how come you switched...
Thanks again @Alan Alain 😃 With extensive experience using both the D810 and 5D mark IV, the latter was the strong all-around camera. The D810 was too slow for my needs and there was little demand for its higher resolution on the client side. It would be more appropriate to compare the Canon 5D mark IV to the Nikon D850 👍👍👍
@@neilfisher Thank you Neil for this insight. Then no regret, I'll turn to the 5D IV.The good side of Canon is the lens selection (and used ones, I actually just got a 400mm f5.6 used on eBay for about 1K to replace my 1st gen. 100-400mm for sharper birding).Yet if I had the budget, I'd love to experiment the D500 with the 300 PF f4 and 200-500 f5.6 from Nikon which both are said to be excellent , as I think for birding/wildlife on a budget, it would be a very good configuration too. But we talking APS-C here. what makes me little angry with Canon on that part though is that they came with the 7D II and later 90D instead of releasing a last 7D version III that would have had the ruggedness and focus system of the 7D II with the video and very nice sensor the 90D has. This is where I felt too that Nikon here was offering a better configuration than the 7D II or 90D, giving us their best of both world with their D500 whereas you feel you're gone miss something if for APS-C you go either with the 7D II or 90D. So little jealous on Nikon here... And for the D810, being otherwise mainly in landscape that requires more dynamic range and pixels, and astro and macro for the rest, this is the areas where I was thinking the D810 was running circles around de 5D IV. But a you say, as an all rounder DSLR, the 5D IV checks many boxes and some over the D810. The D850 is nice with its focus stack and other tools is more advanced than on the 5D IV , but anyway now that they're all going mirrorless, we start to see less difference between Sony, Nikon and Canon with their new R5 (although I think they went cheap on the pixel count of the R6, they could have given 30, but then so much less market shares for the R5... ) Thank you again Neil for your reply. I think I'll be very happy with a 5D IV anyway, as I'll upgrade from a 6D (which is otherwise a quite good camera too, and for noise with night skies, if not perfect)
"There are video cameras that would do just as well at this price point" at 11:46, I wonder which full frame sensor video camera you are referring too as I would be very interested to get it!
+antoine719 When comparing the 5D mark IV to video camera, why would you look for full frame competitors? The 5D Mar IV's 4K certainly isn't full frame. The 4K Blackmagic URSA mini captures CinemaDNG RAW at 265MB/s and the quality is miles better than the 5DmarkIV and costs only $500 CND more ☺️
+Quantum Creative Media - Quantum Wraps yes the 7DmkII and 5DmkIV differ greatly. Hopefully the 7DmkII successor adopts some of the newer technology found in the 5DmkIV. 😀
Thanks for such a fantastic review. I already have the camera but it is great to get a few extra pointers / info about the video capability of the camera. New subscriber here and will continue to watch your videos!
thanks for the review. I noticed that with the dual pixel when you were adjusting the slider the feathers sharpened quite a bit. I dont know if you I am mistaken or if you noticed it or not. Have you tried to use it again or what were your thoughts on that?
+Will Corwin I've done a bit more experimenting and Canon has further explained how to achieve successful shifts. With the photo of the hawk featured to demonstrate, I used a rather small aperture and as a result the Dual Pixel RAW focus shift is hardly visible. Canon has explained the biggest focus shifts are visible when using large apertures and I've experienced this as well - anything bigger than f/2.8 seems to see the most benefit in Dual Pixel focus shift. Hope this sheds some more light on the issue for you. ☺️☺️☺️
Love the review.. Do you think this is a good camera for landscape and wildlife photography? I know it's not the best for both.. But it seems like a middle ground between both of them
TeeZee, in my opinion the 5D mkIV is a great camera for capturing landscape and wildlife. As you've said, it is certainly not the 'best' for either... but it's the 'best' camera for capturing both :)
Well done! Well done Neil. Great images, nice, clean and clear review. Love the video and thank you very much for taking your time making the video. Subscribed and Liked !
wow. i must say. this was an excellent review. I bought eos 60d four years ago. learned the basics and wanted to hop onto the full frame train. buying 3.5k body with a couple 2k lenses is within my range. should I go for Mark IV or wait for canon, nikon or Sony next reveal. P.S. I have shot portraits, wildlife, weddings, macro, parties, sceneries and on the go/street. I consider myself a beginner.
kanesohail my advice would be to buy glass and a used or lower end full frame camera. If you still consider yourself a beginner the investment of a 5D mark IV is rather significant and will likely postpone purchasing any future lenses. A Canon 5D mark IV or Nikon D810 with one or two nice primes would be a solid step forward. Hope this helps and isn't overly confusing ☺️
Thank you for taking the time to make this video love your presentation I too am thinking of which camera to buy such as the 5D Mark four or the 6D Mark two once again thank you for your work.
Thanks for the kind remarks. The 6DmkII and 5DmkIV are similar cameras in terms of photographic capabilities, but if you're planning on doing any serious video capture the choice should be obvious - the 5DmkIV.
Wow what an in depth, unbiased, and informative hands-on review! Neil thank you for doing such a fluid report on this camera! You were honest, unbiased, and you seemed to have covered just about every detail needed to be discussed! I am definitely subscribing :) I do have a question regarding the sharpness of the images taken with the 5DMIV... Since I only own the 50mm f/1.8 I can't decide if my images appear less sharp because of the camera or if I need to update my lenses? My more important question is regarding that I often have an issue where I will focus on my subjects then when on the computer the images appear slightly out of focus-- this is becoming a reoccurring problem and I am wondering if you have heard of this complaint or if I have my settings wrong?
+Sean Sandoval thanks for the ki d words. Personally I haven't used the 50mm f/1.8 with the 5D mark IV, however I haven't encountered any issues with sharpness while using the lenses at my disposal, including the: 16-35mm f/2.8 L II, 35mm f/1.4 L, 100mm f/2.8 L IS Macro and 70-200mm f/2.8 L IS II. It is quite possible that the 50mm f/1.8 just isn't able to resolve the resolution of the 30 megapixel sensor. When the 5DS and 5DSr were released, Canon listed a number of lenses that were 'qualified' to resolve the high 50 megapixel resolution. To determine if you're encountering a focusing issue. Lock of your camera on a tripod and use live view to manually focus on a proper focus chart. If the resulting photos are indeed in focus, try making micro adjustments it correct the camera's autofocus when pair with the 50mm f/1.8. If you've already made micro adjustments, it like is the quality of the lens. Honestly, if you currently only own the 50mm f/1.8, you probably better off investing in a few other lenses prior to plunging into a 5D mark IV - just my two cents. Hope this helps. 😀
Great, great video!! I love to shoot landscape photography. However, I am having a little problem and I was wondering if you could help me. I do not use ND filters, I use bracketing Here is my problem.. ( by the way in the 2.38 minute of this video I saw a little bit of what I am going to describe) when using my circular polarised filter I suffer massive differences in saturation in the sky, very intense just in the up centre, like a semicircle with the curve down. Do you now about this problem. It happens mainly in sunrises. It is really annoying... Good night and thanks for this video!!
Jesus, I believe what you're describing is simply a limitation of circular polarizers when used with ultra-wide angle lenses. The filter works best when shooting at 90 degrees to the sun and because of the wide focal length much of the composition won't be at 90 degrees - this is why you'll see variations in the sky colour.
+Eddie Cardwell I use the 5D mark IV as my primary camera and it has been great - definitely a worthwhile upgrade for anyone already invested in the Canon system. I've personally never been a fan of the 24-105mm f/4.0 IS L lens, the unnecessary overlap in focal length with a 70-200mm lens with a slower aperture doesn't make it overly appealing - I'd much rather have a 24-70mm f/2.8... but just my two cents.
nice review! you just forgot [regarding the end of your review], that there are videographers who dont need that 4K gimmick. Thus, it's not that the 5D4 is useless to them automatically.
True, that there are videographers who currently don't 'need' 4K. However, considering the four year product cycle of the 5D series, a videographer purchasing a new camera today would want to invest in a piece of technology that's future proof for at least four years - and in four years time I'd imagine most people will be capturing 4K.
neil fisher Youre right! However i hope this 4K wont catch on. Maybe 2.5K would be alight. I really feel like as time passes and technology gets better & better- manufacturers just run out of ideas of what new piece of tech they can release which will make things better, and so that they can sell more and make people buy more from them. I believe we could get better than 1080p, but understand that cinemas are projecting films @1080 and thats really enough resolution. 4K feels like a try-hard attempt of manufacturers to create a new "need" from customers. A synthetic, marketing-originated need, which we dont really need to enjoy great quality video. Wanna evolve our technology and make us buy more? Try to get as close as possible to Film! Please, dear manufacturer- give us More dynamic range so the windows or sky we shoot- dont look white! Give us global shutter already, so there's no horrible jello effect. These things will improve so much more than what 4K can.
Couldn't have said it better myself😀 I sucks as a content creator too, because the demand for new means of capture and presentation is driven by the creation of consumer technology - not any specific need at a professional creation level 🙁
neil fisher I think there will always be better slicker, more polished content creators than us. I let them have that, and try to focus on the content itself, and on storytelling as much as i can. Of course, you'll have to find that sweet spot where you are in peace [and even more than that...in a spot where you like] the look & feel of what you create. Youre style, that is. You'll find it. it may not be "the best" but it will be "the best" of you...as you will look in that creative mirror and you'll say to yourself..."hey! i kinda like what i see". From there on youll have to find the story, the subtext of what you wanna convey. And,btw, im not talking as an accomplished videographer...im learning a lot as well..but I just share with you the way i see it...that road we need to pave for ourselves.. The best is to bump into videos/movies online where they actually embraced their lack of slickness, and they turned it into a style. And where the story is so good and captivating, that you dont even think about the means of how they created it. Thats the pinnacle of creation. to make viewers [especially critical viewers like us]- forget about the mechanism. I went with the look & feel of film. It's broken. Not so sharp..and i love it. those imperfections. For now, i admit i just never came to write up some kind of script or concept that i think is worthy enough of making a video out of it...so its a bit frustrating...but to calm my passion- i take 35mm film stills, and i try to play with looks and concepts there. With stills its much easier to come up with 3-5 good images that tell a story or a feeling...with video its much harder.. :\
detailed video thanks! i heard its sucking up battery quite good, even when wifi and gps is turned off. What are your experiences compared to previous models of 5d? cheers
I can't comment on regular operating conditions as I always leave the GPS function enabled in option 2. Additionally, it's been very cold up here and no battery behaves as it typically should. With all that said, yes - I do believe the 5D mark IV does use more power than both the 5D mark II and 5D mark III did. However, this shouldn't be overly surprising given the improved auto focus performance :)
I've noticed the 5D4 eats more battery, even when I"m shooting manual focus and the screen on or off than my 5D3 did and the my 5Ds does. You get around that by buying a couple more batteries and a twin charger.
Really enjoyed your review, thanks for posting. It has really helped me decide on which camera I buy next (will be the Canon. I'm going to be switching from Nikon, which is a big step but the Canon body/lens combinations seem way ahead now) Love the scenery where you are too, we don't see enough of the great plains
+olrepas Switching platforms is a massive undertaking for anyone moving between any brand - I imagine it must be intimidating. I shot with a Nikon system for just over five years a few years back and although there is absolutely nothing ‘wrong’ with their camera’s I still prefer Canon for a number of reasons. If you do end up making the switch I’m sure it will take some time to get use to a new platform - but it should be worth it in the long run. I’m a prairie transplant and actually grew up on Canada’s west coast, but the great plains of North America certainly are stunning.
Hi Neil. I was wondering why you said " I still prefer Canon for a number of reasons." I have a 7dII and was thinking of getting the 5div but with all the Nikon and Sony hype its hard not to feel discouraged in canon. I have a lot of canon glass already and it's not as good on my crop so want to go full frame. I have the 100-400II 70-200II 24-70II, 100mm macro, 50mm macro 65mpe. I shoot a little bit of everything but thinking of getting into food photography. Thank you! :-)
Finally a fair review! Now I'm confident to purchase myself one! Overall great camera for every type of photography with video shooting here and there, pretty much what I need! Thanks a lot Neil, Great review! Subscribed. Keep up the great work! ^^
Great video! I'm hoping sometime this year to upgrade to this camera from the 5D Mark II. Hey, quick question. When you're shooting in the rain and your camera is wet as I see in this video, how do you prevent the lens from fogging up? I'm in the Pacific Northwest, and I run into this problem sometimes.
Tam, having spent most of my life in the soaking wet Pacific Northwest I totally understand the issue you're running into. It's similar to acclimatising camera's over long periods when transitioning between hot and cold environments. The cold rain quickly cools the camera's exterior making to prone to condensation. A PortaBrace or Kata rain cover will prevent the rain from cooling your camera and hopefully stop your lenses from fogging up.
neil fisher Ahh, I see. It's the temperature acclimation that's my real problem. Maybe I should start travelling with my camera bag in the trunk, rather than in the passenger seat. Very helpful, thanks!
I'm a 1dx2 and 5d4 user (mostly photojournalism and portrait work) and I am currently looking at the a9/a7rIII for many of its features and I'm wondering if you are doing the same or looking at the d850? I am also "brand agnostic" -- thanks--
+Jared Charney I personally can't consider any of the Sony A series as serious contenders for wildlife work in harsh environments - I mainly base this on early A7 issues and the newer models may have addressed these issues, but still mainly look only at higher end Nikon and Canon bodies. The Nikon D850 is a beautiful machine and if I weren't so heavily invested in Canon glass I'd pick one up in a heart beat. The resolution and improved 4K capture make it an incredibly strong camera. 😀
Yes I do worry about how much I abuse my cameras especially on newspaper assignments I can really beat them up when moving fast and I'm in the same boat when it comes to investment in Canon glass but I'm def. tempted
@@neilfisher , Having started shooting in late 90's on 4x5 commercially, I currently use a 5dsr after many years with the following dslr: 1ds 1,2,3, 5d 2-3, then 5dsr. I have always also had a backup or 2nd body for setting up two shots in diff locations on a site - mainly at dusk for obvious reasons. I usually sell off the outgoing model when they still have solid resale which is usually just before a new thing is released. I'd sell the backup for example, then shift it into that slot with new purchase made. Currently cannot decide on best backup. I want awesome video stats for work ideas so it's come down to 1dxII, 5dIV, and even eos R. I just reviewed old jobs back to when I transitioned from 4x5 and realized the 20Mp cameras with my own manual "hdr" layering and shift lens stitching, were completely fine for 100's of project images used commercially. I may actually consider the 1dxII now because it'll be a backup anyway and I am so intrigued by the 120p HD with full sensor width. The only thing that I would feel lacking is the C-log in mkIV or eos r. However, I'm also a fan of shooting when the light is "right" vs relying on c-log to get more out of when you maybe shouldn't be trying to shoot anyway. I could see a lazy-factor in the c-log sort of like not 'needing' to light interiors as much now as back when we used 4x5 and polapan100 for scene building. I am tempted to get both bodies LOL probably a good situation to utilize my CPS for test runs. I only see c-log as the reason for 5dIV as cost that close becomes irrelevant after a while. Of course you could just get an eos r, sell it in a year when a higher spec body comes out and you'd lose way less $ on the swap compared to the 1dx2.
I would like to do more wildlife and video which is the reason for this conundrum. For pure stills I'd just get a 5dIV and call it done/plenty good enough.
+Neeraj I wish I could afford multiple 5D4's :P The footage of myself speaking is capture with a 80D and ol' 5D mark 2. The wide shot is the 5D2 with a 16-35mm f/2.8L at 16mm and the tight shot is the 80D with a 35mm f/1.4L. Hope this helps :)
Great video, and one that makes a lot of very salient points, especially about people who buy predominantly stills cameras and expect a full range of video camera capabilities. If you shoot high end video then buy a dedicated video camera. Simple really, different tools for different jobs.
Hello , great review Shooting video with 5diii on full hd with external recorder , does it give less noise and grain while shooting with mark4 full hd internally?
@Z z considering it's been a few years, hopefully you've already discovered that the 5D mark IV produces much cleaner footage than the older 5D mark III regardless of how you're recording the footage 👍👍👍
Glad you found it helpful. With that said, if you're not already too heavily invested in Canon... check out Nikon's new D850. Similar price as the Canon 5D mark IV with a much stronger and more robust feature set - just my two cents :)
I'm a few years slow in replying, but thanks for the feedback @Gordon Johnston 👍 Admittedly, this was a beast of a video to produce and if I had spoken any slower it would have likely doubled in length 😆 That said, I've tried to slow things down in more recent videos 😃😃😃
There isn't really a straight answer for your question. It just comes down to whether or not you want to capture 4K or not. If you're not concerned with capturing 4K video, stick with FHD and 60fps - the higher frame rate has a negligible impact on file sizes and opens up more options while editing.
Thank you for a great review! I've become a subscriber thanks to it :) However, quick question - the EXIF-data that you've added to the images in the black bar... is that a plug-in for Lightroom or did you do it manually? Thanks!
Yes. Comparing 1080p footage captured from the 5Dmk2, mk3 and mk4 - the mk4 will be the strongest. Capture 4K footage, scale it to 1080p and it will look enough sharper.
Yes Anand, the AA filter does impact the sharpness of the image. If you're looking for the sharpest image possible you're better off looking at Canon's 5DsR or Nikon's D810.
Clear, not too nit-picky and cavilling, fair, Canon user = Subscribed.
Thanks Markdean :)
Just order my today and I cannot wait to have her in my hands....after viewing many image galleries of the top DSLRs I realized this is the camera for me...the colors, the sharpness, its dynamic range looks perfect in my eyes. I have been using a 6D for the past 4 years so I can see this wonderful beast serving me minimum 4 years or longer. There are a few functions that would be nice to have like eye focusing, zebras, etc...but is not something I could not live without.
Hopefully, you're still rocking the good ol' 5D mark IV @Anthony M 👍 It's interesting to see how the direction of the camera industry have shifted since the release of this camera.
Putting this review together was a massive amount of work, Neil. Thank you for your insight and for creating this.
Greatly appreciate the feedback +Rick Janson 😀😀😀
Watching a Canadian say AA, and Moire all in one sentence made my head spin and then I laughed exactly like you did. It sounded like you said "eigh-eigh" or eh', eh' and more-eh'! Haha, all joking aside great review and since we never see snow unless above 5,500ft here in Southern California, so that was also nice to see for a change. I'm very late to the party here with the 5D Mark IV and have a funny or crazy backstory. You said the D800E/D810 outdid this camera, and I agree for most specs, but I will also admit I have owned two D850's, I own two D6's and I had three different D500's over the years. Yet, I don't like Nikon mirrorless, so I'm slowly switching to Canon the cheap and fast way, while I wait for a deal on the R3. My local store that our newspaper's have an account at, could've given me one the other day (An R3) however it was technically spoken for by a Non-CPS member and the store obviously has to make money, so I'm the slow train waiting for an R3 at the cost price we get, which is likely 10% above actual dealer cost, we only get this deal becasue we have so, so much gear and buy and sell gear every year as we slowly upgrade. We have Z9's, but I can't stand them, the noisy files and EVF both are not great, I much prefer my D6. However the R3 specs are much closer to what I prefer, low noise/great DR at High ISO in low-light conditions I often find myself in, nearly daily (every other day?) as a photojournalist. Some days you get 3 assignments and some days we just listen to scanners/radios and self dispatch ourselves from home to breaking news, such as wildfire's, shootings, murder, etc., etc.!
Ty that was very helpful I just received this camera for Christmas after buying the 6D Mark III brought that one back because I wasn't happy with that one at all
Thanks so much @Tina Rekemeier 👍 Hope that you find it to be as versatile as I have over the years. 😃😃😃
That was a great review, overall. I'm surprised how quickly you dismissed dual pixel autofocus, however. It tracks a walking/moving subject far better than the average photographer could manually focus on a moving subject unless they have many years experience as a professional videographer . To say you wouldn't trust technology for focus-pulling is ridiculous as the whole camera is technology. You trust it for general autofocus and metering, etc., why wouldn't you trust it for general video focusing (within the limits of its capabilities)?
cooloox, you're correct that Dual Pixel AF is helpful for a photographer in basic situations: a walking subject at a close distance to the camera, a talking head moving slightly through your depth of field. Though as you said, for a videographer with many years of experience, that experience will do a better job during the most demanding situations. I completely stand by what I said, in that I can not trust Dual Pixel AF when capturing critical footage. I am an experienced videographer with many years under my belth and when capturing a bird in flight or a coyote moving through grass, Dual Pixel AF is useless. Interrupting objects coming between the subject and camera, long distances and flat contrast settings leave Dual Pixel AF baffled and hunting. Metering and auto focus for still photography is only momentary - fractions of second, capturing video is minutes. Although Dual Pixel AF works well and reliably for basic situations, when facing challenging and demanding scenes it's not worth losing a shot.
+neil fisher Thanks very much for the detailed response, Neil. I can see why it is totally useless for your needs.
This guy is good. He's one of the very best I've listened to on CZcams photography videos. A fair degree of his comments I didn't understand - they are simply beyond my range at present though I have about 3 years of rather intense effort in photography. It takes time to absorb it. I just wish I could be around him for a month or two.
Thanks so much @David Kjoller 👍 Really appreciate the feedback 😃😃😃
Excellent work. Probably the most honest and unbiased review on youtube right now. I own the Mark IV and I just have one note. You don't necessarily need to transcode the 4k footage. I can fluently edit the files on Premiere (including adding filters and transitions etc) without having to transcode. 0 dropped frames. The catch is you do need a powerful computer to pull it off. That and the amount of storage needed are, for me, the only real problems with the 4k on the Mark IV. The workflow is challenging but the quality is amazing.
Very true NMR. I too have no issues editing 4K footage in real-time without the need to transcode. However, the storage is ridiculous! The quality is good, but quality versus data rate is unacceptable. The 4K Blackmagic URSA mini captures CinemaDNG RAW at 265MB/s and the quality is miles better than the 5DmarkIV. I realize the URSA mini is a dedicated video camera, but there are people who purchased the 5DmarkIII and markII primarily for video use and I can't see anyone picking up a 5DmarkIV solely for capturing video when there are better options at a comparable price point.
But there are those like me, you need a reflex for both stills and video, and this is the question that I currently have. The 5d markIV suits me for the photos, but especially the 1080p video is not the greatest quality, true?
Chuck F the quality of 1080p video from the 5D mark IV is great. A big step forward over the video quality of the 5D mark III ☺️
neil fisher compared to mark3 ok, but unfortunately not with respect to such GH4, or sony a7sII, a7rII :(
True. The Panasonic GH4 is a fair comparison, but I don't consider the Sony A7 series competitors - their battery life, over heating sensors and overall reliability are too much to ignore.
I like the way the functionality was assessed from a pros and cons point of view. Very well presented review.
I'm only two years late in replying, but thanks for the kind words @FemOdel Photography 😃😃😃
4:33 Strange, because even sitting here at my desk, whatching this video in HD, I can clearly see the left eye moving in and out of focus. Stuff like that can transform a good shot into a master shot.
Hello from London, Ontario. I appreciate the unfussy, thorough review with lots of footage from the 5Div. Thanks, man!
Thanks @ElectricStardust 😃 Greatly appreciate the feedback👍👍👍
This is a REVIEW! Man! The world needs more like this..
Thanks for feedback +Joshualacruz 😀😀😀
Neil, that time lapse of the northern lights was astonishingly beautiful.
I grew up in Saskatoon and this whole review, while excellent, became a giant memory-lane trip for me. This is the second time I`ve watched this review through; just super useful - many thanks.
This review, and Dustin Abbot`s and Tyler Stahlman`s reviews, are all so, so good. Why are you all Canadian?
Since I got my 5DIV, I have loved this camera. There is nothing I need it to do that it doesn't do. I agree with you about dual pixel RAW, the file sizes don't justify the small benefit. There are a number of features such as the wireless file transfer via Wi-Fi, and the Canon Connect phone app that can be used to completely control the camera, (video and stills) that few people seem to talk about.
Also being able to produce a time-lapse right in the camera at 1080p is also a great feature. I haven't upgraded my video card to 4K, no 4k monitor, so I'm looking at a cost of about $5-grand to get comfortably into 4K. So why bother right now... Another cool thing is the 5D MIV, with the 50mm f1.2 lens can shoot video at a low light level that I can't even see in.
All in all it is an expensive camera, but at this point, I've forgotten the cost. Now I'm just having a ball with the camera. I also have a 7D Mark II. The only reason I kept it is the longer reach. But both cameras use the same batteries and basically operate the same - same focus system, GPS etc. The 7D MII does 10 frames/second, some people are all about speed, but I don't use it like that.
Excellent appraisal, hand-in-hand, in terms of sheer quality, with the tests and reviews DPR made.
It is a pleasure when reviews are product-centered and not brand driven, showing us the positives and negatives of a camera. Kudos!
Thanks NimbusKhan, I certainly tried to show both the negatives and positives of the camera and not focus too heavily on brand loyalties - not that I hold any :P
If you're a wedding photographer and have tested the dual pixel AF i believe you will disagree with the statements about that function here. Just goes to show that different types of photography will find different uses for functions. Also note that ISO numbers are useless; ISO numbers into the 10s of thousands are gimmics regardless of the manufacturer. If you compare the ISO sensitivity to past 5D products you will find it's not just an expanded range but also a higher quality of sensitivity. Great video Neil. Keep em coming.
In 2024, still the best review ever.
I really want to go full frame, currently have the 80D and have invested a lot in Canon lenses so I'm basically locked in to there cameras. I really want a FF pro body with a flippy screen. I like doing macro work and that's a God send on the 80D but really could do with a FF sensor. Don't know whether to hold my breath and hope one materialises in the near future or just take a plunge and buy a Mark iii or iv. First world problems i know!
Really enjoyed this video, this was so much more interesting to watch than other reviews and I loved the music
Thanks @@ihatesss1 😃 Greatly appreciate the feedback👍👍👍
Good review but just to say that moving to a crop with 4K video does not change the pixels on subject and therefore does not change the effective focal length of the lenses you are using. All it changes is the field of view, which has no important bearing on wildlife photography.
I do understand how crop sensors only impact field of view, however in this case the difference between capturing 1080p video versus 4K video does result in more pixels of a subject being captured. Though as you said it's not necessarily more pixels on a subject, because 1080p video is a full sensor read out without any pixel binning :)
nice way of reviewing a camera - hands on with lots of info, video, and stills - not just 24 hours of testing before rambling on about the negatives and not just a fan boy praise - but based on actual use over a month of shooting - great work - thank you
Ruben, that's exactly what inspired me to create this video. I'd watched countless 'review' videos from people who had literally just said goodbye to the Fedex driver - people who hadn't taken the time to actually use or evaluate the camera personally and would just regurgitate specs in a create manner. I'm glad to hear you liked it :)
The best 5D4 review in youtube.
Thanks so much @johnchan1 👍👍👍
Now that is how to do a review. Many thanks.
Thank so much @Squiz Puck - greatly appreciate the feedback 😃😃😃
Good review! I own the Fuji X-T2 and got the 5D MIV in December as a full frame side kick off some of my not much used Fuji lenses. I also previously shot with the D500 but the iso 6400 and above in low light had a lot of luminance noise, but being aps c, I expected that. I have also owned the 10D and 20D in the past and have been a fan of Canon colors and the 5D series as a whole but never owned one until now!
Thanks @Blue Fuji 😃 Hopefully you're still rocking the 5D mark IV in tandem with some fun Fuji kit 👍👍👍
this was the best 5D4 review on youtube, yeah, its mid 2019 and I just bought my brand new 5D4 and needed reassurance, well done mate, I still have that question though, does it also crop your image while using FHD instead of 4K?
Thanks @PELAMESTA 😃 No, it does not capture FHD with any crop. 👍
This is by far the best review ive seen so far. Very intuitive and detailed. Thank you so much my m4 will be here next week thanks to your awesome review, super excited. One question I've never shot 4k how exactly do you transcode the video? How fast of a c.f. and SD would you recommend. Thanks again
Thanks for the feedback Wine Country Games. 😀
Computer processors and GPU's have advanced to the point where a modern workstation shouldn't need to transcode files from the Canon 5DmkIV. However, if you're editing video with an older system that is unable to playback the motion jpeg mov files in realtime, you may want to consider transcoding files and/or creating proxies. Transcoding is simply the process of creating a duplicate video file with a lower bit rate or more processor friendly codec.
In regards the memory cards: the Canon 5D mark IV's SD card slot in only UHS-I and it's recommended that 4K video is captured on Compact Flash cards. I personally use CF cards with a write speed of 160 MB per second and never encountered any buffering issues.
Hope this helps. 😀
Stumbled upon this video today. Fantastic! Neil your camera presence and video/editing skills are superb, you really should do more of these videos, you could get quite a following. Subscribed.
I'm only a few years late in replying, but thanks for the kind words @Mike Dixon 👍 It's been quite fun producing video like this, but boy doesn't it take a bunch of time to make them 😆😆😆
Thank you Neil for the effort and the time. loved the music too. please provide details or link to the background music artist.
I'm only a few years late in replying, but thanks for the feedback @Thamer Abalkhail 👍 All the music used in this video is from CZcams's own music library - nothing too fancy 😃😃😃
So much effort put into this review, thanks a lot for that!
Glad to hear you enjoyed it. Thanks for the feedback. 😀
I was waiting to replace my 5d markii's but at $4,500 CAD & the cost to replace my gen1 L glass to gen2 is horrifically over priced. It's kinda sad as I've grown as a photographer with Canon over the last 15 years but I guess Canon has now outgrown me. :(
I wouldn't say Canon has outgrown you, but rather Canon has outgrown the Canadian dollar :(
Great video. good to hear a honest review. I purchased mine and was nervous hearing all the negative comments. I agree that it is an all around camera. loved your photos and video. I need to visit Canada more often! i mostly shoot landscapes, wildlife, and macro. keep up the good work.
Thanks Jeff, I too was a bit nervous at first :P Canada is such a diverse country for landscapes and wildlife, the east and west coasts are beautiful, but at the same time the rolling prairies are just as beautiful in their own way. And then there's the arctic, if you visit only one location in Canada it needs to be the far north :)
That was a great review. There was just one thing which didn't seem right to me, which was the comment you made about the dual focus AF. Although there are very good cameras with 4K, like the panasonic GH5 and similar cameras, and some very good Sony options, none are as smooth using automatic focus. Canon's dual autofocus AF for videos is aesthetically way beyond other camera manufacturers' offerings. Photographers are not going to have professional levels of experience to allow them to pull focus manually so making that comparison is not valid. If you are making a video with people in it and faces go in and out of focus in a jerky way the video is ruined. Of course Canon doesn't want to undercut it's dedicated video cameras by making it's cameras too good at video but dual pixel AF is groundbreaking. I want to buy this camera, your video helped with my decision making, thank you, I love your comments and observations about low light performance and dynamic range, but I think you downplayed the importance of dual pixel AF.
Kevin, I totally agree with everything you’ve said. My comments about DPAF were more directed to cinematographers and those capturing video in no repeatable situations. It’s been well over a year since creating this review and I still feel the autofocus is no replacement for experience with manual focus pulling. The number of instances during which I had autofocus fail and begin hunting in environments that I would consider basic is substantial. If I’m capturing footage of an animal in the wild and I want the footage to be in focus - I don’t rely on autofocus. However, I do recognize that ‘photographers’ who do not have experience with manual focus while filming will find the DPAF helpful.... hope this rambling makes sense.
5d is the beast of low budget film making and indipendent films
Totally agree @digital king lion , but only with 1080p - once you move to 4K the low light advantage is gone.
To all the cons add the absence of replaceable focusing screen (to be able to use manual focus lenses precisely) something is not understandable in a camera of this type when even the 6d offers that possibility.
devanois very good point. Hugely disappointing not being able to change focusing screens.
One of the best reviews of Canon EOS 5D Mark IV .....
Thanks Jess, glad you like it :)
WOW! Well done, Mr. Fisher. Your hard work (in producing this excellent review) has been my deciding factor in taking the plunge. I'll be upgrading my 7D Mark II for this new @CanonCanada 5D Mark IV. Your video has also made me homesick, thank you. (from just north of Regina) Calling Mum now.
+Glen glad to hear it was helpful. It's been well over a year since picking up my 5DmkIV and I still very much enjoy using it. I'm a SK transplant and am originally from the west coast - but love the prairies just as much as the ocean. 😀
THIS is a proper and well thought out camera review. Fantastic work!
Many thanks @Peter Lucas 👍 Really appreciate the feedback 😃😃😃
I tend to agree with your comment that 5d4 is a very balanced one . Nice video.
Greatly appreciate the feedback +Chengzhi Lei 😀😀😀
The 5D Mark 4 was great when it first came out in 2016, but it is NOT WORTH $3200 new in 2021 when you can buy the new R6, with much upgraded features and processor, which blows the 5D of the water, for basically the same price! Why pay $3200 for 2016 Camera when you can pay the SAME PRICE and get a much better 2021 Camera! The prices of these cameras should DROP as they get older. Would you pay the same price for a 2016 Car as you would for the same car but 2021?
Thanks for a great review (location is awesome). The video capability of the camera is really of zero concern to me as I never shoot video and I'm strictly photo-centric. I shoot landscapes, night-sky (astro), and airshows (of which the 7 fps would be great - and that more advanced AF system rocks). I currently shoot with a 6D and it's slower 4.5 fps makes airshows a challenge but I've managed to get some awesome images with the 6D. I rented a 5DM4 for the last airshow and the difference was compelling to make me consider the 5DM4. I need a 2nd camera body (already have $$ invested in Canon glass) so this might do the trick - just wish it wasn't $3500 USD.... there is so much I love about the 6D I don't think I'd give it up. (100% agree with your comment on the articulating screen - I don't trust them, 6D does NOT have it either, and I prefer the "solid" less-moving-parts design)
I'm at little late in responding, but thanks for the feedback @Mark Streit 👍 It's interesting looking back and seeing how significantly the camera industry has changed in such a considerably short period of time. Hope you're still confident with the camera path you chose 😃😃😃
mobile wifi transfer also slashes the mb of the photo transferred to the phone vs usb transfer
Thanks for your review of the Mark4. I have and use the camera as well. Have you been able to handle a Canon EOS R5 yet? Will you be reviewing the R5 in the future. Keep your video's coming, they are great.
Many thanks @Jerry Niehaus 😃 I haven't yet been able to play with an EOS R5 and it's price here in Canada will ultimately be the determining factor in whether I bite the bullet or not. Having said that, its specifications are remarkable - and as someone who shoots video more than seventy-five per cent of the time... I want it badly 😝😝😝
The best real review of a camera I've seen on youtube
Thank you
Thanks so much @badger0681 👍 PS your tractor content is awesome 😃😃😃
Thanks for the effort. I was anticipating something that would move me, this is why I sold my 5D3 a few months ago. Now I am considering shifting brands...what a perfect timing lol.
The response may be two years late, but I'm glad to hear this help with your decision @Abdulaziz Alghamdi 😃😃😃
Thanks for a truly excellent review, love how you put the exif data at the bottom of sample video and photos from the camera. After some deliberation I'm going to upgrade from my 5D3 to the 4 now, and your video helped me with that decision.
+Malcolm King thanks for the feedback. The upgrade from the 5DmkIII may not look substantial on paper when comparing specs, but once you have the opportunity to use the newer 5DmkIV the difference are very noticeable and do make the upgrade worthwhile. 😀
Thank for the video, great info. I wonder why you went from a D800 to Canon though, as later the D800E and D810 were I believe all together better cameras than a 5D IV (no low pass, higher res. (D810), better at noise even and better DR...).
Was it because of the lenses selection/price, or some other restriction that turned you to Canon ?
Or did you value the 5D IV speed as the sole reason to switch over those somewhat better characteristics hat the D810 has ?
Very curious of that. I'm stuck with a lot of Canon glass but otherwise I wonder if would not have picked the D810 over the 5D IV for most cases, notably macro and landscape, then birding, trading sharpness (no AA) and resolution/crop potential of the D810 over the 5D IV FPS/buffer capacity only...
You got to admit that it's a lot of factor favoring the D810 all together, so I wonder how come you switched...
Thanks again @Alan Alain 😃 With extensive experience using both the D810 and 5D mark IV, the latter was the strong all-around camera. The D810 was too slow for my needs and there was little demand for its higher resolution on the client side. It would be more appropriate to compare the Canon 5D mark IV to the Nikon D850 👍👍👍
@@neilfisher Thank you Neil for this insight. Then no regret, I'll turn to the 5D IV.The good side of Canon is the lens selection (and used ones, I actually just got a 400mm f5.6 used on eBay for about 1K to replace my 1st gen. 100-400mm for sharper birding).Yet if I had the budget, I'd love to experiment the D500 with the 300 PF f4 and 200-500 f5.6 from Nikon which both are said to be excellent , as I think for birding/wildlife on a budget, it would be a very good configuration too. But we talking APS-C here. what makes me little angry with Canon on that part though is that they came with the 7D II and later 90D instead of releasing a last 7D version III that would have had the ruggedness and focus system of the 7D II with the video and very nice sensor the 90D has.
This is where I felt too that Nikon here was offering a better configuration than the 7D II or 90D, giving us their best of both world with their D500 whereas you feel you're gone miss something if for APS-C you go either with the 7D II or 90D. So little jealous on Nikon here... And for the D810, being otherwise mainly in landscape that requires more dynamic range and pixels, and astro and macro for the rest, this is the areas where I was thinking the D810 was running circles around de 5D IV.
But a you say, as an all rounder DSLR, the 5D IV checks many boxes and some over the D810. The D850 is nice with its focus stack and other tools is more advanced than on the 5D IV , but anyway now that they're all going mirrorless, we start to see less difference between Sony, Nikon and Canon with their new R5 (although I think they went cheap on the pixel count of the R6, they could have given 30, but then so much less market shares for the R5... ) Thank you again Neil for your reply. I think I'll be very happy with a 5D IV anyway, as I'll upgrade from a 6D (which is otherwise a quite good camera too, and for noise with night skies, if not perfect)
Fantastic review, thank you for the effort that obviously went into it. Stunning shots as well!
Thanks Mason, good to hear you also liked the footage :)
"There are video cameras that would do just as well at this price point" at 11:46, I wonder which full frame sensor video camera you are referring too as I would be very interested to get it!
+antoine719 When comparing the 5D mark IV to video camera, why would you look for full frame competitors? The 5D Mar IV's 4K certainly isn't full frame. The 4K Blackmagic URSA mini captures CinemaDNG RAW at 265MB/s and the quality is miles better than the 5DmarkIV and costs only $500 CND more ☺️
Absolutely exceptional review. Comprehensive, honest, and practical.
+Luke Howlin thanks for the feedback - greatly appreciated. 😀
3:32@. Awesome timelapse!!!
+EZEQUIEL MARTINEZ thanks - just one of the perks of living in the great white north. 😀
Got a subscriber 👌🏾
Thank you sir for highting up one of our favourite camera
Thanks @Atoulie Neikha 😃 It certainly is a flexible and dependable camera system 👍
I wish it had a flip screem
Best 5d4 review so far. Good job!
JingJing thanks. I'm happy to hear you enjoyed it :)
Great Review! Thanks I'm still hanging on to my 7D mark ii
+Quantum Creative Media - Quantum Wraps yes the 7DmkII and 5DmkIV differ greatly. Hopefully the 7DmkII successor adopts some of the newer technology found in the 5DmkIV. 😀
Thanks for such a fantastic review. I already have the camera but it is great to get a few extra pointers / info about the video capability of the camera. New subscriber here and will continue to watch your videos!
Many thanks @flaberdoopin 👍 Greatly appreciate the kind words and happy to hear you found it helpful 😃😃😃
Thanks for the video, this helped me finding the detailed features and functioning of mark iv. Loved it
Martin Antony glad to hear it helped in your decision making process 😀
thanks for the review. I noticed that with the dual pixel when you were adjusting the slider the feathers sharpened quite a bit. I dont know if you I am mistaken or if you noticed it or not. Have you tried to use it again or what were your thoughts on that?
+Will Corwin I've done a bit more experimenting and Canon has further explained how to achieve successful shifts. With the photo of the hawk featured to demonstrate, I used a rather small aperture and as a result the Dual Pixel RAW focus shift is hardly visible. Canon has explained the biggest focus shifts are visible when using large apertures and I've experienced this as well - anything bigger than f/2.8 seems to see the most benefit in Dual Pixel focus shift. Hope this sheds some more light on the issue for you. ☺️☺️☺️
Excellent review and photos!
Many thanks @Twobarpsi👍 Appreciate the feedback😃😃😃
Love the review.. Do you think this is a good camera for landscape and wildlife photography? I know it's not the best for both.. But it seems like a middle ground between both of them
TeeZee, in my opinion the 5D mkIV is a great camera for capturing landscape and wildlife. As you've said, it is certainly not the 'best' for either... but it's the 'best' camera for capturing both :)
Well done! Well done Neil. Great images, nice, clean and clear review. Love the video and thank you very much for taking your time making the video. Subscribed and Liked !
Thanks so much @Rai Allen - greatly appreciate the kind words 😃😃😃
wow. i must say. this was an excellent review. I bought eos 60d four years ago. learned the basics and wanted to hop onto the full frame train. buying 3.5k body with a couple 2k lenses is within my range. should I go for Mark IV or wait for canon, nikon or Sony next reveal.
P.S. I have shot portraits, wildlife, weddings, macro, parties, sceneries and on the go/street. I consider myself a beginner.
kanesohail my advice would be to buy glass and a used or lower end full frame camera. If you still consider yourself a beginner the investment of a 5D mark IV is rather significant and will likely postpone purchasing any future lenses. A Canon 5D mark IV or Nikon D810 with one or two nice primes would be a solid step forward. Hope this helps and isn't overly confusing ☺️
Thank you for taking the time to make this video love your presentation I too am thinking of which camera to buy such as the 5D Mark four or the 6D Mark two once again thank you for your work.
Thanks for the kind remarks. The 6DmkII and 5DmkIV are similar cameras in terms of photographic capabilities, but if you're planning on doing any serious video capture the choice should be obvious - the 5DmkIV.
One of the best reviews I've ever seen. And I've seen a lot. I sub'ed
Thanks Above Ground Level Videography L.L.C. - appreciate the feedback. 😀
i don't shoot canon, but you guitar music relaxes me.
Ha... with a user name like @CORNfused87 this doesn't surprise me 👍👍👍
Wow what an in depth, unbiased, and informative hands-on review! Neil thank you for doing such a fluid report on this camera! You were honest, unbiased, and you seemed to have covered just about every detail needed to be discussed! I am definitely subscribing :) I do have a question regarding the sharpness of the images taken with the 5DMIV... Since I only own the 50mm f/1.8 I can't decide if my images appear less sharp because of the camera or if I need to update my lenses? My more important question is regarding that I often have an issue where I will focus on my subjects then when on the computer the images appear slightly out of focus-- this is becoming a reoccurring problem and I am wondering if you have heard of this complaint or if I have my settings wrong?
+Sean Sandoval thanks for the ki d words. Personally I haven't used the 50mm f/1.8 with the 5D mark IV, however I haven't encountered any issues with sharpness while using the lenses at my disposal, including the: 16-35mm f/2.8 L II, 35mm f/1.4 L, 100mm f/2.8 L IS Macro and 70-200mm f/2.8 L IS II. It is quite possible that the 50mm f/1.8 just isn't able to resolve the resolution of the 30 megapixel sensor. When the 5DS and 5DSr were released, Canon listed a number of lenses that were 'qualified' to resolve the high 50 megapixel resolution.
To determine if you're encountering a focusing issue. Lock of your camera on a tripod and use live view to manually focus on a proper focus chart. If the resulting photos are indeed in focus, try making micro adjustments it correct the camera's autofocus when pair with the 50mm f/1.8. If you've already made micro adjustments, it like is the quality of the lens.
Honestly, if you currently only own the 50mm f/1.8, you probably better off investing in a few other lenses prior to plunging into a 5D mark IV - just my two cents.
Hope this helps. 😀
Thank you so much for the reply Neil :) You have been so encouraging and helpful!! I'll give what you recommended a try!
Excellent review, and some beautiful shots. Thanks for making this.
Many thanks @Greg Cahill - greatly appreciate the kind words 👍👍👍
Great, great video!!
I love to shoot landscape photography. However, I am having a little problem and I was wondering if you could help me. I do not use ND filters, I use bracketing
Here is my problem.. ( by the way in the 2.38 minute of this video I saw a little bit of what I am going to describe) when using my circular polarised filter I suffer massive differences in saturation in the sky, very intense just in the up centre, like a semicircle with the curve down. Do you now about this problem. It happens mainly in sunrises. It is really annoying...
Good night and thanks for this video!!
Jesus, I believe what you're describing is simply a limitation of circular polarizers when used with ultra-wide angle lenses. The filter works best when shooting at 90 degrees to the sun and because of the wide focal length much of the composition won't be at 90 degrees - this is why you'll see variations in the sky colour.
neil fisher thanks!!
What song is playing during showing of shots? Love the video!
Thanks @Silentwisher 😃 All the music in this video is directly from CZcams's own music library 👍👍👍
Thanks for the review and the beautiful prairie scenery!
Glad you liked it - the prairies certainly are a unique type of beauty :)
Neil Fisher, how often do you use it today? Is the 5DM4 with the new 22-105mm lens worth $4200 you think? On the fence for buying.
+Eddie Cardwell I use the 5D mark IV as my primary camera and it has been great - definitely a worthwhile upgrade for anyone already invested in the Canon system. I've personally never been a fan of the 24-105mm f/4.0 IS L lens, the unnecessary overlap in focal length with a 70-200mm lens with a slower aperture doesn't make it overly appealing - I'd much rather have a 24-70mm f/2.8... but just my two cents.
Great review! Super clean and well spoken.
I'm only two years late in replying, but thanks for the kind words @Colin Herrington 😃😃😃
nice review! you just forgot [regarding the end of your review], that there are videographers who dont need that 4K gimmick. Thus, it's not that the 5D4 is useless to them automatically.
True, that there are videographers who currently don't 'need' 4K. However, considering the four year product cycle of the 5D series, a videographer purchasing a new camera today would want to invest in a piece of technology that's future proof for at least four years - and in four years time I'd imagine most people will be capturing 4K.
neil fisher Youre right! However i hope this 4K wont catch on. Maybe 2.5K would be alight.
I really feel like as time passes and technology gets better & better- manufacturers just run out of ideas of what new piece of tech they can release which will make things better, and so that they can sell more and make people buy more from them.
I believe we could get better than 1080p, but understand that cinemas are projecting films @1080 and thats really enough resolution.
4K feels like a try-hard attempt of manufacturers to create a new "need" from customers. A synthetic, marketing-originated need, which we dont really need to enjoy great quality video.
Wanna evolve our technology and make us buy more? Try to get as close as possible to Film! Please, dear manufacturer- give us More dynamic range so the windows or sky we shoot- dont look white! Give us global shutter already, so there's no horrible jello effect. These things will improve so much more than what 4K can.
Couldn't have said it better myself😀 I sucks as a content creator too, because the demand for new means of capture and presentation is driven by the creation of consumer technology - not any specific need at a professional creation level 🙁
neil fisher I think there will always be better slicker, more polished content creators than us. I let them have that, and try to focus on the content itself, and on storytelling as much as i can. Of course, you'll have to find that sweet spot where you are in peace [and even more than that...in a spot where you like] the look & feel of what you create. Youre style, that is. You'll find it. it may not be "the best" but it will be "the best" of you...as you will look in that creative mirror and you'll say to yourself..."hey! i kinda like what i see".
From there on youll have to find the story, the subtext of what you wanna convey.
And,btw, im not talking as an accomplished videographer...im learning a lot as well..but I just share with you the way i see it...that road we need to pave for ourselves..
The best is to bump into videos/movies online where they actually embraced their lack of slickness, and they turned it into a style. And where the story is so good and captivating, that you dont even think about the means of how they created it. Thats the pinnacle of creation. to make viewers [especially critical viewers like us]- forget about the mechanism.
I went with the look & feel of film. It's broken. Not so sharp..and i love it. those imperfections.
For now, i admit i just never came to write up some kind of script or concept that i think is worthy enough of making a video out of it...so its a bit frustrating...but to calm my passion- i take 35mm film stills, and i try to play with looks and concepts there. With stills its much easier to come up with 3-5 good images that tell a story or a feeling...with video its much harder.. :\
It was a decent review, had enough information and examples to back up what was said, and felt as if it was reviewed objectively.
Thanks Nicolas, glad you enjoyed it :)
Good job. Great review and explanation of the 5D4 features.
+Trey Quattro thanks - glad to hear you enjoyed it. ☺️☺️☺️
where in buffalo-nation were all those buffalo?! I recently went to Oklahoma and saw around 8 at most in a group!
+Jonathan Flores the bison shown in this video are residents of Grasslands National Park in southern Saskatchewan, Canada. 🐂🇨🇦
neil fisher thank you very much!
Bison not buffalo and he’s in Canada 🇨🇦
Thank you Neil ♥
Thanks @AbyssXII 👍👍👍
Pretty comprehensive review. Thanks.
Thanks so much @Cédric Converset 😃😃😃
thank you for a very well composed and image-supported presentation.
Thanks a bunch +Tim C 😀😀😀
Thanks for the solid review. It helped me make a decision on my next camera.
Glad to hear you found it helpful Steve - thanks for the feedback. 😀😀😀
AF is for one man show like I am at the moment essentiell! I use it with my gimbal and it is very important
detailed video thanks! i heard its sucking up battery quite good, even when wifi and gps is turned off. What are your experiences compared to previous models of 5d? cheers
I can't comment on regular operating conditions as I always leave the GPS function enabled in option 2. Additionally, it's been very cold up here and no battery behaves as it typically should. With all that said, yes - I do believe the 5D mark IV does use more power than both the 5D mark II and 5D mark III did. However, this shouldn't be overly surprising given the improved auto focus performance :)
I've noticed the 5D4 eats more battery, even when I"m shooting manual focus and the screen on or off than my 5D3 did and the my 5Ds does.
You get around that by buying a couple more batteries and a twin charger.
Really enjoyed your review, thanks for posting. It has really helped me decide on which camera I buy next (will be the Canon. I'm going to be switching from Nikon, which is a big step but the Canon body/lens combinations seem way ahead now)
Love the scenery where you are too, we don't see enough of the great plains
+olrepas Switching platforms is a massive undertaking for anyone moving between any brand - I imagine it must be intimidating. I shot with a Nikon system for just over five years a few years back and although there is absolutely nothing ‘wrong’ with their camera’s I still prefer Canon for a number of reasons. If you do end up making the switch I’m sure it will take some time to get use to a new platform - but it should be worth it in the long run.
I’m a prairie transplant and actually grew up on Canada’s west coast, but the great plains of North America certainly are stunning.
Hi Neil. I was wondering why you said " I still prefer Canon for a number of reasons." I have a 7dII and was thinking of getting the 5div but with all the Nikon and Sony hype its hard not to feel discouraged in canon. I have a lot of canon glass already and it's not as good on my crop so want to go full frame. I have the 100-400II 70-200II 24-70II, 100mm macro, 50mm macro 65mpe. I shoot a little bit of everything but thinking of getting into food photography. Thank you! :-)
Finally a fair review! Now I'm confident to purchase myself one! Overall great camera for every type of photography with video shooting here and there, pretty much what I need! Thanks a lot Neil, Great review! Subscribed. Keep up the great work! ^^
AtlantisTheShark thanks, glad you enjoyed it☺️
neil fisher Of course man, You are very welcome! ^^
Great video! I'm hoping sometime this year to upgrade to this camera from the 5D Mark II. Hey, quick question. When you're shooting in the rain and your camera is wet as I see in this video, how do you prevent the lens from fogging up? I'm in the Pacific Northwest, and I run into this problem sometimes.
Tam, having spent most of my life in the soaking wet Pacific Northwest I totally understand the issue you're running into. It's similar to acclimatising camera's over long periods when transitioning between hot and cold environments. The cold rain quickly cools the camera's exterior making to prone to condensation. A PortaBrace or Kata rain cover will prevent the rain from cooling your camera and hopefully stop your lenses from fogging up.
neil fisher Ahh, I see. It's the temperature acclimation that's my real problem. Maybe I should start travelling with my camera bag in the trunk, rather than in the passenger seat. Very helpful, thanks!
I'm a 1dx2 and 5d4 user (mostly photojournalism and portrait work) and I am currently looking at the a9/a7rIII for many of its features and I'm wondering if you are doing the same or looking at the d850? I am also "brand agnostic" -- thanks--
+Jared Charney I personally can't consider any of the Sony A series as serious contenders for wildlife work in harsh environments - I mainly base this on early A7 issues and the newer models may have addressed these issues, but still mainly look only at higher end Nikon and Canon bodies. The Nikon D850 is a beautiful machine and if I weren't so heavily invested in Canon glass I'd pick one up in a heart beat. The resolution and improved 4K capture make it an incredibly strong camera. 😀
Yes I do worry about how much I abuse my cameras especially on newspaper assignments I can really beat them up when moving fast and I'm in the same boat when it comes to investment in Canon glass but I'm def. tempted
@@neilfisher , Having started shooting in late 90's on 4x5 commercially, I currently use a 5dsr after many years with the following dslr: 1ds 1,2,3, 5d 2-3, then 5dsr. I have always also had a backup or 2nd body for setting up two shots in diff locations on a site - mainly at dusk for obvious reasons. I usually sell off the outgoing model when they still have solid resale which is usually just before a new thing is released. I'd sell the backup for example, then shift it into that slot with new purchase made. Currently cannot decide on best backup. I want awesome video stats for work ideas so it's come down to 1dxII, 5dIV, and even eos R. I just reviewed old jobs back to when I transitioned from 4x5 and realized the 20Mp cameras with my own manual "hdr" layering and shift lens stitching, were completely fine for 100's of project images used commercially. I may actually consider the 1dxII now because it'll be a backup anyway and I am so intrigued by the 120p HD with full sensor width. The only thing that I would feel lacking is the C-log in mkIV or eos r. However, I'm also a fan of shooting when the light is "right" vs relying on c-log to get more out of when you maybe shouldn't be trying to shoot anyway. I could see a lazy-factor in the c-log sort of like not 'needing' to light interiors as much now as back when we used 4x5 and polapan100 for scene building. I am tempted to get both bodies LOL probably a good situation to utilize my CPS for test runs. I only see c-log as the reason for 5dIV as cost that close becomes irrelevant after a while. Of course you could just get an eos r, sell it in a year when a higher spec body comes out and you'd lose way less $ on the swap compared to the 1dx2.
I would like to do more wildlife and video which is the reason for this conundrum. For pure stills I'd just get a 5dIV and call it done/plenty good enough.
Thanks neil for the great review .. really helpful . Can you tell me which camera you have used to shot the review ? Is it the same canon 5d mark 4 ?
+Neeraj I wish I could afford multiple 5D4's :P The footage of myself speaking is capture with a 80D and ol' 5D mark 2. The wide shot is the 5D2 with a 16-35mm f/2.8L at 16mm and the tight shot is the 80D with a 35mm f/1.4L. Hope this helps :)
:D You already have plenty of D's :P. Thanks for the reply neil. This is really helpful :)
Glad I stumbled across this - excellent review.
Many thanks @soap0688 😃😃😃
Thanks neil, very informative and well made review.
Thanks Francisco, glad to know you liked it. 😀
Great video, and one that makes a lot of very salient points, especially about people who buy predominantly stills cameras and expect a full range of video camera capabilities. If you shoot high end video then buy a dedicated video camera. Simple really, different tools for different jobs.
Thanks @Randell John 👍
Hello , great review
Shooting video with 5diii on full hd with external recorder , does it give less noise and grain while shooting with mark4 full hd internally?
@Z z considering it's been a few years, hopefully you've already discovered that the 5D mark IV produces much cleaner footage than the older 5D mark III regardless of how you're recording the footage 👍👍👍
My favorite 5D Mark IV review thus far! I'll be buying one soon :)
Glad you found it helpful. With that said, if you're not already too heavily invested in Canon... check out Nikon's new D850. Similar price as the Canon 5D mark IV with a much stronger and more robust feature set - just my two cents :)
Can you talk a little slower, if I dident know what you were talking about I would be struggling to keep up. ....You are a good reviewer by the way.
I'm a few years slow in replying, but thanks for the feedback @Gordon Johnston 👍 Admittedly, this was a beast of a video to produce and if I had spoken any slower it would have likely doubled in length 😆 That said, I've tried to slow things down in more recent videos 😃😃😃
Hi, great video! What video quality/setting should I shoot the Mark IV in for best balance between file size and video quality? Thanks!!
There isn't really a straight answer for your question. It just comes down to whether or not you want to capture 4K or not. If you're not concerned with capturing 4K video, stick with FHD and 60fps - the higher frame rate has a negligible impact on file sizes and opens up more options while editing.
Great camera
Three years on and I still agree @TheG7thcapo 👍👍👍
What are your thoughts on the Canon eos r please? Do you prefer optical viewfinders? Thank you.
Apologies @Hoon Sohn, I've yet to even touch a EOS R and can't offer any opinion.
Watching you stand in that field with the big round straw bales I thought I was back in North Dakota… until you said you were in Saskatchewan. :-)
Hahaha... there may be a line on the map separating Saskatchewan and North Dakota, but the landscape certainly doesn't change much :)
Thank you for a great review! I've become a subscriber thanks to it :) However, quick question - the EXIF-data that you've added to the images in the black bar... is that a plug-in for Lightroom or did you do it manually? Thanks!
+Michael Anderberg thanks 😀 The EXIF information was added using a simple title in After Effects. Hope this helps. ☺️☺️☺️
Thank you so much!
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What camera did you use to shoot the first scene from 0:00 to 0:10? The image looks so sharp!
Hahaha... You'll be surprised to know it was a Canon 5D mark II and 16-35mm f/2.8 II :P
Nice! So If you have shot the same scene with the 5d mkiV it would be even better?
Yes. Comparing 1080p footage captured from the 5Dmk2, mk3 and mk4 - the mk4 will be the strongest. Capture 4K footage, scale it to 1080p and it will look enough sharper.
Thanks - great review. The aurora borealis was lovely. Wow.
Thanks Liam, the auroras are out of this world up here :)
How is it ,while you print for large prints?is the AA filter affects the image?clarity?
Yes Anand, the AA filter does impact the sharpness of the image. If you're looking for the sharpest image possible you're better off looking at Canon's 5DsR or Nikon's D810.
at last a good review for 5D4..thx alot subscribed also
I'm only two years late in responding... but thanks so much @Konsta Pot 😃😃😃