What’s it like to live with the Toyota Supra 3.0 Manual?
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- čas přidán 13. 06. 2023
- After driving the 2023 @TOYOTAGAZOORacingJPchannel Supra 3.0 Manual on the track last fall, MotoMan samples the Supra with the manual as a daily driver. He takes the @TOYOTAglobal GR Supra that would be challenging as a daily.
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I just appreciate that a manufacturer offers a manual RWD sports car at a realistic price. 👌
If you can actually get one at a realistic price, dealers are ripping off customers, and it's bad for Toyota and car enthusiasts, because they may not sell as many as they could have....
@@DimSyco depends on where u live,cause u could get a 2020-22 mk5 for base price or like 3-4k more over(tho this depends on it being base vs top trim).
@@DimSycoI got a 2023 manual on order and don’t have to pay any markup. I’m going through the Toyota dealer in Concord, NC just north of Charlotte if you want a dealer that doesn’t do all that mark up stuff. They didn’t even mark up the 2 GR Corollas that came in.
@@madmyro Thank you, I will likely reach out to them! I really appreciate dealers that are not overly greedy. I tried to get one here in Florida, and I could tell they were annoyed and the monthly payment they proposed was outrageous ($1,300). With Toyota supposedly being an affordable brand, I got pretty upset. Most dealers are asking for $10k over, even on the GR86! Anyway, I'm glad there are some good dealerships somewhere!
@@DimSyco no problem, my dealers name is Amanda. I ordered in October but had 2 people ahead of me for an allocation, now it’s just one. Best of luck.
The MX-5 has the same type of sun visors as the Supra. No living with episode would be complete without a trip to Costco, so well done sir! Really enjoy these living with reviews, keep them coming!
Know those well, Lee . . . Appreciate the feedback!
I really really wanted the 2.0 Supra in Nitro Yellow. It’s the perfect yellow for a car, close to Ferrari’s yellow. But man, the cabin is tight and I’m only 5’10”. Not sure I could drive this every day in a 30 minute commute. I’m fairly claustrophobic. And the roof line cutting into the vision at your head makes it worse. I think the GR86 has way more room. But the Supra in yellow is just fantastic looking.
I have had a manual as a daily my whole life.
Just happy I bought a Miata 30AE. Now more than ever!
Toyota didn't give us the manual late because of customer complaints... they gave it to us late because BMW didn't let them sell a manual for the first few years on the market. It was a 'paperwork' thing, unfortunately. We were always going to get it in the end. In the rest of the world, manual transmissions are pretty much the standard, we most of us are used to living with a stick on a daily basis. Toyotas are generally easy to daily no matter what shape and spec they come in, it's pretty much what they do best.
I drive a manual mx5 everyday. I have a truck for just when I need it. I avg 32mpg 70% town 30% highway. Top is always down unless raining.
I dailyed a manual, commuting between Seattle and Redmond for over 20 years. Alfa 164, Mazda Protege5, MINI Cooper S and finally an ND Miata. It was no problem in any of them.
Good points Motoman.
Guten morgen Motoman. Yes, "too much" sums up the Supra perfectly. Not a terrible sports car, just not for me.
With that said, and price no object, for my daily manual (we called them standard transmissions back in the day), I chose a 2023 Camaro 2SS1LE, rapid blue, with the wonderful tremac 6 speed manual transmission. Delivered this past March 10th.
What's it like daily driving? Pure joy! I've owned and driven many sports car over the years. The car is near perfection. Almost fully loaded, a hair over $53,000. But, to your disappointment, I did not option the sun roof...LOL!
Stay well my friend...
The Camaro is just too claustrophobic for me, haven't been in a Supra yet but it looks almost as bad on video. It's a shame because both are amazing cars.
@@FurkanCemTurfanda Thanks for the reply. Honestly, not clausterphobic at all. I find most drivers feel the need to keep the seats low, especially with a manual transmission, as if your butt is dragging on the pavement. With proper seat height adjustment/position, mirror adjustment, etc., no issues at all. So from first hand ownership, the clausterphobic and poor visibility arguments are false. Regarding rearward visibility, for a sports car, it isn't bad at all. So much so that I haven't even used the rear mirror camera yet in traffic. But comfort levels and driver confidence do vary. It is truly a remarkable car.
Heresy:)
That said, as a guy who grew up on GM cars, I am saddened to see Chevrolet giving up on the Pony car again. As in the past, I don't feel they competed aggressively enough with Mustang and Challenger (surprisingly, the sales king in that segment). They could have done a lot to address visibility in a heavy mid cycle refresh and still had a better car than the Mustang. In any event, good choice on your part.
I've had my share of GM cars - no more. After owning Mazdas and a Lexus, I will never go back to GM products again - too many issues over 10+ years. Good luck with yours.
@@davepaturno4290 Thanks. Regardless, it's a remarkable sports car. Whether it's for 10 years, or only 5, I'll continue to cherish all she offers. Lifes too short. If "issues" arise over time, I'll either address them or part ways. Until then, my grin ear to ear remains everytime I fire her up and go for a ride. Yes, it's that good...
Dammit, now obtaining a manual supra is even more of a life goal
Ha!
Love the series, M.
Thank you, Amro . . .
There is no adaptive cruise in the MT to my knowledge even with the driver assist package only in the Auto. Please correct me if I’m wrong but I have 0 options for adaptive cruise in my premium MT Supra I wish it had it.
lol, almost everyone used to do that all the time just a few years back and over in Germany we still do it today.
One of the best product out there
The gas tank is too small on the F87 M2 as well. I'm not sure if they upped the capacity on the new M2, but on the older ones it's the same size as this supra, with slightly worse economy due to the S55 engine and heavier weight.
MotoMan, did I miss the assessment of the transmission in the video? So is the manual livable in Orange County stop and go traffic? How is the clutch and how are the throws when there's an accident on the 405?
It was there . . . with the exception of the clutch - which is light considering the size of the engine and power of the car. That being the case, very easy to use in stop and go traffic. As mentioned in the episode, the shifter is good. I would like a shorter knob but see why they do it here - also demonstrated in the episode.
I realllllly hope they do a GR PRIUS. Function and fun for daily commuters! Love the design of the Supra, but standing next to it, no being a larger person, it felt claustrophobic.
The F87 M2 has the same size gas tank and yes, it is annoyingly small.
My m240i had a super small tank also. Seems to be about the same as my 2.0 Supra. I swear I go through the first line leaving the gas station. 😂
I place my phone in my MX5's cup holder holes in the center console.
They needed to cut stuff to save money, all that interior stuff is missing for that reason. A sunglass holder up at the top of the rearview mirror would be nice as well!
Daily a stick? What do you mean? I don't own a vehicle that isn't a stick. My car and two trucks, one for play, one truck for offroad, and the other for horse hauling are all stick.
I like this "Road Movie" formula.
Good material . . . may have to steal that:)
I like that car. Except for the buffing.
Sweet blue. Have you driven the Giulia Q?
Buffeting is a $60 eBay modification plastic piece. Easy fix
It’s easy especially with a bmw trans… didn’t even think about it after a couple weeks.. like driving my Corolla
I don't get the messing around with steering wheel aesthetics, completely agree with your take on the Supra's. I would say Audi is offering a severe downgrade with their new steering wheel design(s) as well.
How was the manual like to drive in traffic? That’s the most important thing to me, I’m in SoCal as well
It's the best manual ever I've ever owned nd I'm not hyping it. I live in Orange County and have had this Supra 6MT for 6 months. My only complaints are the lack of compartment space and small gas tank. It's not a good daily driver, but fun and weekend or 2nd car yes absolutely good choice
The steering wheel and shifter look so odd to me
*They NEED to offer it in the 2.0!*
Better weight distribution, will be cheaper to maintain!
7:30 Might be deal breakers
I've seen at least 2 YT videos comparing this with the manual vs. the M2 with the manual and this is a hair faster to 60.
Great video. My only question is whether a BMW G8X Platform would benefit from a trans swap with a Supra? I daily drive my manual M3 and enjoy it thoroughly, but I’ve heard multiple outlets say the Toyota feels better despite being the same trans.
It’s not the same trans, Toyota changed a lot within the trans itself.. gearing, shifter, etc.
That would be a crazy amount of money and effort just to improve shifter feel.
@@kimchee411 depends on what you value in a driving experience. I don’t think the car needs more power and I’ve already addressed the sound. I’m willing to try a shifter upgrade first, but historically those are terrible on BMWs. If that holds true and they manual Supra’s gearbox is somewhat available from part suppliers or crashed cars, I’d be willing to give it a go.
@@TheManlnGold you’re right. Looked it up and it’s actually a different part number altogether from the ones in BMW. And that’s before Toyota made any changes.
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Fast forward to 10:13
Hi why does all supra boards all twinkle
Drove a Hyundai with manual gearbox for 5 years in crowded Riyadh, it was ok. In the right mood, it was even fun
Respect.
So you can get Adaptive Cruise with the manual Supra? That’s cool.
Not to my knowledge I have a premium MT Supra and it doesn’t have adaptive cruise even with the driver assist package it has lane keeping assist but not adaptive cruise at least in mine I wish it wasn’t the case.
If it was your money, would you buy the BMW Z4 with the six speed manual over this car?
We are 4 years into production of this car, and Although I love my '21', I am so baffled by the ugliness of the steering wheel which looks like a giant dinner plate and a skinny rim. No hint of a sports car steering wheel. The automatic also has one of the strangest and un sporty shift levers. The infotainment is dim (I upgraded mine), the wind buffeting is still there ( also fixed mine) and the exterior vents….. well we all know about them. Couldn’t they make at least some of the 9 function by now? All the issues with interior room I’m fine with, there are expected sacrifices to be made with sports cars, but the other issues are so easy for Toyota to fix after 4 years, but they choose not to acknowledge them. Having said that, I wouldn’t give up mine for many more years, I love unusual outlier cars!😉
This steering wheel comes from some older BMW model in some special trim, unfortunately I do not remember exactly.
Appreciate the real world feedback . . .
Well it's a dying breed right? People should reward the last OEM´s for providing manuals still. With EV´s it will be gone. I love shifting manually - but I have also an EV for daily driving which is relaxing if you are in heavy traffic. It's a dying art how we drive those still. It will be something we also know from classic cars only, like..the model T which is totally different to operate.
MRI.
Now *_THAT_* is a tightly enclosed chamber. Some would even say downright claustrophobic if you have such an ailment. Since I do not suffer from such phobias, I cannot attest to the feeling.
However, I have had numerous MRI's and experienced a plethora of cars throughout the entire era of the automobile. With that being said, I can safely say that there is no such thing as a "claustrophobic" interior. At least in a road legal car. Now a racecar on the other hand, more specifically an LMP1 class, is _definitely_ the tightest quarters I have ever experienced in a vehicle.
It is merely the human psyche playing tricks on you ladies and gentlemen.
_"One of the greatest discoveries a man makes, one of his great surprises, is to find he can do what he was afraid he couldn't do."_ *~Henry Ford*
Great topic coverage nonetheless.
Stay classy my friend.
EDITED for grammar.
I'd love to buy a manual GR Supra, unfortunately they are completely sold out for the next 2yrs where I live... unless of course I am willing to pay $15k over sticker.
Have not heard that . . . in what region do you live?
You got to change the horn 🤔 you need to put the tundra horn 🎺🤣🤣🤣
That was a conscious decision by Toyota about the visors. I wonder why??? Sometimes it’s the little things in life that amaze me. That’s one of them……
Life is indeed all about the details.
Definitely a sharp color. Maybe a gray or tan interior rather than the gloomy black..
They do offer the tan in the special edition and it transforms the interior!
@@MotoManTV
That's unfortunate. Like everything nowadays - part of a "package." I can still remember being 10 and reading the window sticker on my neighbor's new 1977 Grand Prix and everything it was equipped with being an individual option. My first new car was an 85 GTI. Power steering, AC, sunroof and 4 speaker stereo prep. All individual options. GTI with a sunroof today? Package...
the manual doesn't get the driver assistance package, or I should say it's included in the MSRP. No radar cruise either.
'manual' petrolheads hate any kind of assistance....[especially from a leftist eco gov't].....🚳🏴☠🥩
Doesn't use premium fuel?
Depends on what I am trying to accomplish . . . Have never tried in any of our test Supras before so wanted to try a loop on regular.
The ZF 8 speed is faster and better than a manual, so why bother with such an archaic device as a manual transmission?
It's like dailying literally any other manual transmission...
One other annoying feature is that there is no sync for the air con. Drives me nuts!
Other cars do the same and yes, very annoying!
Your sentiments echo mine after my test drive. I wanted a fun DD and chose a Giulia over it, the 3 series, and CT4V
I have a 2023 Supra 6MT. It is NOT a daily driver and you made the right choice. It's my weekend fun car, but I would never daily this car
I think the last Impala steering wheel is the champ of gross.
Inspiraring
It’s just scary how people settle for an automatic.
Looks great on the outside, I was ready to purchase until I got inside and drove it. Claustrophobic and uncomfortable. I’m 5’-10”, 170lbs. I wanted to get out so bad. Ended up purchasing a ZL1. Fit like a glove.
I'm the same exact size and weight. I went with the Supra 6MT. Heard great things about the ZL1. Might keep my eye on those down the line since they are going out of production
13 gallon gas tank? thats incredibly small... the only other car ive seen with a tank like that is my gf's ford focus 2003... she's always thinking ur gas mileage is no so good cuz she has to fill up often and range is mot good... well Thats why! LOL
I’ll say this about the gas at your state “LGB” ❤
In the video as you sat and drove your knees were close together, based on that and being a man I NO can do!
Personally I like to complain piss and moan until they give me what I want and then I dont buy it.
Let's not forgot... the manual Supra is also lacking active cruise control. There is no excuse why it shouldn't as my 2020 6spd VW GTI has this feature. So many car companies are missing the mark and then you gotta deal with lack of inventory.
Hi Palindr0m3, Also, a big disappointment is that the newer and more expensive BMW M2 manual does not have adaptive cruise control, only standard cruise control. Whilst a huge surprise (in a good way) is that Nissan does provide ACC with their manual Z. Nissan can provide, but yet Toyota/BMW cannot. As you say, there is no excuse.
I have active cruise in my Mazda 3. If I get the i6 Supra, it will have active cruise. It really comes in handy as long as it I'd reliable. My Mazda 3 has been rock steady-reliable after 9 years.
M2 or GR Yaris anytime
This car feels so close to me but a couple of really big annoyances. Rev matching (training wheels) on by default, buffeting, electronic parking brake. apple car play only. I love Toyota, but its a no from me, I'll stick with my Porsche.
Complexity is getting out of hand again.
You can live with a lot of things, but that would be downright annoying to constantly have to run to a gas pump and only been able to fit in 13 gallons. 9:47
So would you rather this or a used Porsche 911 997 for similar money?
997. a car that is timeless and well built. ultimately, this is a modern bmw. good luck, long-term.
@@romulus_
Older 991 will also require services, that are not cheap.
@@jareknowak8712 yes, but they are generally reliable cars. I have a cayman of that generation, only a few issues other than regular servicing. most reliable car I have owned and the parts are the same price as bmw, mercedes, audi etc.
You know the answer:)
I really wanted to love the Supra but in anything but black, the fake vents are just too much. Where are the restrained Japanese designers from the 90's??? There was so much beauty with those sports cars that's lost in the overwrought nonsense of today's designs.
Bingo. The supra of the 90s looks downright elegant by comparison.
True!
/You can always take a drill and fix these vents :)
The storage issue is incredibly annoying! They couldn't put 3 or 4 nets into this thing? I own one of these. Too much BMW, not enough Toyota!
I wish this was a BMW coupe license built by Toyota...instead of a BMW with a Toyota badge. Which means fun for the time being but crud reliability long term.
Can't argue with that math:)
Not so the B58 is a solid motor and this simply isn’t true especially in the case of the MT Supra it’s been very well cared for by Toyota engineers designing the MT gearbox flawlessly IMO it’s one of the best Manual gearboxes I’ve ever driven and I’ve been behind the wheel of many adversaries.
Miss the hangar.
I do too, but shooting there is logistically more difficult and frankly, didn't drive enough views to justify the extra work. Yes, we will still shoot some episodes there but not all cars. Appreciate you sharing.
Totally incorrect way to merge into freeway traffic....
I do not know why the Supra is not available with a manual gearbox and the smaller 2.0 engine, since BMW offers the Z4 in this configuration...
One end may be on the fact that they barely bring that many/make that many as is that there's no point in doing it really or, they don't wanna steal the sales off the manual 4 banger Z4(this more or less is a prediction but at the same time it's not like bmw even acknowledges that the Z4 exists in their line up).
Costco gas. Well done
breh imagine being the driver behind him. Out of all places he decided to record there, lowkey cringe but good car.
you are done with fueling, get out of the way people are waiting.
Typical BMW driver, taking forever at the CostCo gas pump.
$58k! Lol. Get a corvette
Change gear ffs!
The Supra smacks of the late 70s 280Z, which also sat towards the rear axle and squatted on acceleration. I doubt that this Supra is reliable.
Great bmw Z4 roaster review. I hope you do a supra review if Toyota ever decides to make one. Thank you sir.
wow clever