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Oasis and Blur falling out was nothing to do with being working class or even music, it involved relationships with women.
yeah these guys really have trouble with basic comprehension. damon was very clearly suggesting a deeper level to the rivalry, but i suppose that would go right over their heads as with most of blurs music.
Liam slept with Justine from Elastica(must have been drunk), who was going out with Damon at the time. there you go.
It wasn't Blur who started the feud, it was the music industry particularly the media side, they wanted to make money and thought it would be good for sales by creating a fake rivalry. Damen got caught up in it because he was young and naive, rumors were started by unknown sources.
Oasis being from a working class background didn't give a shit about anything being said about them but Damen coming from a mostly middle class background was brought up to respect reputation so got understandably upset by the rumors.
Middle class are NOT born with a silver spoon in their mouths, they work very hard, they are the doctors and bankers and small business owners and the foundation for any strong economy.
They are one step above the working class.
I love Oasis but personally I think Blur were the more technically talented band.
Oasis had a natural instinct for a good hook.
Blur experimented a lot more.
Your animosity towards Blur and Damen is unfounded. They were manipulated by the music industry like so many before them.
It does not matter what class a musician comes from as long as they produce good music and both Blur and Oasis produced some awesome music.
Personally I thought the Super Furry Animals were the best group to come out of the 90s but that's just my own personal tastes.
They seem like nice guys, these two but It's funny and frustrating to watch them hop on the ''blur are shite'' bandwagon nearly 30 years after it all happened. I always preferred Oasis but some of the shit they said and did was completely out of order. All this class nonsense winds me up. you're spot on with your comment.
Think it was more to do with Liam and Damon shagging the same burd that started it
Damon Albarn I'm sure isn't too worried about any of this these days. He's gone on to be a massively respected artist/producer and is far more talented than either of the brothers. He also didn't get his arse handed to him by a bunch of businessmen and geeks in a German hotel along with the rest of his band lol
Just had to say...we never "hated" Nirvana.? They were loved here & all loved it in UK. Thanks, love & light 💜🏴🌻
Mad respect as usual to you guys, who although didn't grow up with the UK Britpop context, seem to appreciate it within its wider context. Sincerely, a 38 year old N Irish Beatles obsessed musician. Yeah these bands were the ones whose songs I learned on guitar along with the 60s greats
Ooh thank you! Have to watch this before/after tonights work
Nice one guys 2 thumbs up before watching along as I know this is a great documentary and its going to be right up your street.
And Spencer the whole Blur Oasis crap made a lot of people rich the both couldn't give a shit
I love Liam, Noel, Guigs, Bonehead, and Whitey and have done since I was 15 in 1995. However I'll always love Damon, Graham, Alex, and Dave just as much. I was a Blur fan before an Oasis fan even though I'm from Manchester.
The Parklife album was all I listened to in the summer of 94' and I had a massive poster of Blur in my room.
When it came to the battle of the bands though, by that time I was a massive Oasis fan. Wonderwall, Roll With It and Some Might Say were miles better songs than anything off The Great Escape.
Channel 5 here in the UK recently did a documentary on Britpop that spanned 4 episodes, and went into a lot more detail and included a lot more acts, especailly Suede who didn't feature much here.
Not sure how you could watch it over in the States but maybe its online somewhere. Its called 'Britpop: The Music That Changed Britain'.
It wasn't that we hated America or Americans. It was that American Pop culture didn't relate to what our life was like. It said nothing to us.
Then along came oasis and started making rock songs about cigarettes and alcohol.
This was a must buy DVD in 2003. The first proper 90s retrospective. There’s another one from 2007 called ‘Seven Ages Of Rock - British Indie’. Harder to find but is an update on some of the things that happened next.
One of the lads I worked with live on the same housing estate as Jarvis Cocker and he was walking down the street one day and he was hanging out of the window. He just kept walking because he had a reputation of being an oddball 😂
Good nostalgic doc, I remember watching it back in the day. I think you guys are too hard on Blur though! Oasis had some absolute anthems, but so did Blur. Oasis ended up rehashing the same formula again and again, Blur were more creative and it really shows on their later albums.
Their greatest hits album is well worth a listen, End Of The Century, No Distance Left To Run, Coffee and TV, some absolute belters on there
I was wondering if you guys would get around to this! Great documentary
Bristol, my home town, get on some of that massive attack 🙌🏻
I could say so much more about this era, as it was the soundtrack to my life. But, all I can do whilst watching this is just waiting for Louise Wener and just sighing ❤ ... gorgeous... and that voice, it just melts me.
They didn't mention that Blur actually WON that chart battle... Country House was No1, selling 270k records, and Roll With It only sold 220k.
They didn't show blur cleaning up in the brit awards either, they didn't mention Blur headlining Glastonbury 3 times.
They didn't mention how Liam is a racist gobshite. They didn't mention that iscwas blur in 1989 to be the first band to sign not suede in 1993.
It was very biased.
They won the battle, but they didn't win the war.
@@MyBigMouth bored of this 90s quote. In the end, Blur won the lot.
Give it up.
Nice nostalgic video guys
I enjoyed both Blur and Oasis. Most did. They gave me different things.
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I was 18 in 1994 and honestly I didn't so much hate America but it felt like the plastic 80s pap we'd been fed by Thatcher. We wanted our own thing
Great video by the way. You’ve given fresh insight on a very familiar documentary!
just thinking about this very subject ten minutes ago while I was on the toilet.
I was 18 through 23 for the peak years and it was the perfect time to be that age in England. 1996 being my personal high in music but also my first year gping to work as a football coach at summer camps in Ohio for 6 months
Jarvis Cocker explaining how working class he was because he went to Art College. LOL
so
@@hectorlagos8937 Art college is very non working class.
@@paulmidsussex3409 so
You can be working class and still go to college ya know.
@@jester6-1-6 Going to Art college doesn't mean you're working class.
Had the pleasure of meeting “Noel” and “Liam” of Wonderwall 20 years ago after a gig they played in a gym hall. Lovely guys
I was 20 in 1998 and lived this life and loved it! Still a modern mod ooossshhhh ❤
I love Oasis. Morning Glory was very dear to me in my teen years, but you couldn't be more wrong about Blur. They were the ones to start the Britpop wave. A wave with a vast range that allowed many bands to find success. Their music evolved during the decade- by the end of the 90s it was "harder" than the pop sound from the beginning years. That's all due to Damon Albarn and Graham Coxon's need to experiment. Even Noel Gallagher said that the problem with Oasis was that they tried to repeat Morning Glory for 15 years- and it never worked, while Damon did revolutionize his music.
This documentary came out in 2003, the year after Blur separated, yet in 2009, Oasis broke up, and Blur reunited- since then, they have released two more albums. If you want to see it from the 2023-4 perspective, Blur are the kings of Britpop.
Very conveniently, it doesn't mention that Blur were the first to win those 4 Brit awards, and Damon even said that Oasis should have won with them. Blur also won the Battle of the Bands by quite a margin. The "feud" wasn't really a thing for both of them- they got along despite their differences. The issues they did have eventually sorted themselves out because they grew up, got sober, and became fathers.
The documentary No Distance Left To Run from 2010 does a great job at showing past and present Blur from their own experience.
Talking about money , I miss the young teenage years getting like £10 on a Friday getting some cheap cider some cigs and all chipping in for some weed , they was the best days ! Being a adult is chasing money you'll probably never get 😅
Go back 20yrs the real music revolution happened in this country and anti establishment views The Clash The Pistols and the Damned got our generation out of a worse mess than this lot ever had but I enjoyed the 90,s and respect what they done and you 2 big 2 thumbs up
Just gotta say am from East London and am working class, folk forget that about London. Also every year I go to Rebellion Fest, 4 days of bands, I suggest you look into this, tis the best fest trust me.
I had to go back and watch your reaction to 'Perry returns from Manchester'. 😂😂
(Blur Vs Oasis) Pretty sure Damon from Blur slept with Liams missus (with whom he had a child) Lisa Moorish behind his back.....mass escalation followed...and likely why Damon doesnt ever wanna speak of it.
I was in primary 2 when thatcher stopped the bottle of milk for each school child,i remember the teacher saying something like uou can blame maggie thatcher for that 😢 haha
very dated documentary. history shows that damon was the most creative of that generation. Noel would admit that too.
I think I’ve said this before, Spike Island is a 20 minute walk from my house!
A few years back they had a Stone Roses tribute band recreate Spike Island. I didn’t get tickets but sat in my back garden soaking it all in.
Also my mother in law went and walked to the gig in this doc and still has the ticket stub.
I live 5 minutes from crib causeway bristol!
Same
I think the team Noel or team Liam thing was as early as the Wibbling Rivalry CD. I remember discussions in early 96 about whether you were a Liam or a Noel person.
I was 16 in 1990, 26 at the millennium, 100% formative years. Britpop was a huge influence after grunge. But Pulps 'Sorted for E's and Whizz' to me is the quintessential song that sums up the decade. DJ's wouldn't play it at all.
In my childish innocence I thought that song was about sherberty sweets.
Blur got the number 1 single guys
I’ve always liked this documentary but it is pretty dated now and it does portray blur unfairly imo. I’ve always wondered why it completely ignored the fact that night Blur picked up all the brits and the fact that Blur actually won the initial ‘battle of the bands’
I like Blur but they’re not on the same level as Oasis. And that is a fact. 👌🏻
Lad culture was not really the same as Bro culture. Bro's were posh guys playing at it, Lads were the real deal.
My uncle. R.i.P baught a ticket too see nervana in Manchester. The day before he killed himself. Iroinic my uncle killed himself
Oasis- Knebworth 1996 ( 2021)... Can't believe Liam gallagher-As it was isn't smashing the patreon polls on the channel OASIS built so let's see if an actual oasis documentary does any better 👍🏻
i was a teen in the 90s, E`s and great music😁, good times, shame i didnt fully appreciate how good it was until now
summer of 96 with euro 96 was the best year
The Charlatans. and The Real People, were also 2 good bands from the early 90s
Blur did win the chart battle in 95
And the reason why they fell out was due to a woman. In the early days Oasis where actually fans of Blur
The mad thing is be here now is the biggest selling album.i actually love it could be a bit shorter but its a great album.
Errr Damon Albarn admitted he felt stupid. Weren’t you listening?
Noel is close friend's with Damon now
Have you guys ever been to england?
I bought all of Oasis’ album’s.
There wort Oasis album was, Standing On The Shoulders of Giants.
Loved that album.
@@dib000I love SOTSOG, it’s experimental and psychedelic. I guess it’s not for everyone.
Where to send video ideas?
33:28 Damon slept with Liam’s ex and baby mama.
I grew up under thatcher for 10 yrs then in at 13 in 94 I had the best days of my life in the 90s I can't explain it everything and everyone I knew was happy. It's inexpla nable It was just great.
Have you listened to Unplugged?
the 2 main factors was the drugs and end of thatcher lads
The documentary is very biased towards OAsis. Blur won that battle by quite a lot. and they did not show the impact of blur like they did Oasis!!
Speaking as an older guy Britpop was largely irrelevant to me. I did detest Blur as middle class dilettantes. Oasis just ripping off The Beatles.The only relevant bits for me were the references to Massive Attack and Portishead, whose album Dummy is one of the most magnificent Albums ever.
Oasis were a phenomena but Noel was also a musical thief. The brothers were scallys and when thy became musicians there were still scallys. There was nothing original about their music and there was no high level of technicality about it either. It was basic chords ripped off from others with some nonsensical lyrics that never made any sense. Much like the Beatles. But their timing , stage presence and their ability to make a song anthemic just worked.
It's no coincidence that they needed 3 lead guitars on stage to make a wall of sound to cover up their inadequacies. They were chancers and they took their chance and I love them for it.
Neither Noel, Bonehead or Gem were anywhere near as good as Graham Coxon.
Well I was there I like blur but oasis are a bit basick and the bass player on blur has a chase farm Good bass player?
Piss poor documentary, it didn’t explain anything at all about the true Brit Pop story. There’s better, more in-depth ones out there
I like when Daniel says (paraphrasing here) Its like with Blink, Whats my age Again... its probably because they hav Alzheimers now! 🤣 i don't think their that old yet lol.
but anyway, where the f**k were Suede with the beautiful ones...
Both great bands but this documentary is so dated now
The disrespect towards Blur and Damon is hilarious when he is the musical genius with MULTIPLE world wide hits and a new album each couple of years while Oasis were the ones stuck in one place. Damon said that Oasis were essentially like bullies , which is sad considering that Damon was bullied as a kid even before Blur. I like Liam and Noel but they were so over the top, saying stuff like 'Damon and Alex should catch STD and die'.
Generation X always whinge about Thatcher and the Tories. They got what they wanted in 97 though. Tony Blair and an 18 year long war 3000 miles away in the desert. Go Labour!
I grew up under the Thatcher era. It was awful.
i was at school the day the evil cnut took away the free milk from us schoolkids
Same, anyone who defends her needs their head checked. Britain in the 80s was depressing for the working class
@@rorz999 By working class you really mean the "thick people".
I grew up during the whole of Margaret Thatcher's time, and life was reasonably OK. I also lived through the whole of the War Monger's tenure - that of Tony Bliar, and that was more awful.
@@simonsaunders8147 deluded .. not about the war monger but about him being worse than thatcher ..thatcher started the sell off of our services .. germans own our water, trains, french own our power as well..we own nothing and paying for it now
Lad culture isn't bro culture, influences are different. Brit pop lad culture was more like hip hop culture
Please review pulps song “cocaine socialism” it’s about tony Blair offering Jarvis cocker cocaine and asking him to encourage his fans to vote labour
Thatcher brought in the right to buy your social housing at a discount, I recently got a decent inheritance due to her legacy and that policy so she gets a thumbs up from me!
Musicians and arty folk do tend to be left-wing so have to factor that into the Thatcher stuff.
First 👌🤣
I get the feeling this is going to completely omit the Spice Girls.
I do hope so
There is a great documentary on All4 in the UK called How Girl Power Changed Britain. The tabloid newspapers really are scum .
I was 16 in the 1990. And remember thinking of both Oasis and Blur at the time in the 90's as the biggest load of hype in music for some time. Oasis to me was just a bunch of mouthy working class lads with okay music band but nothing that great, same as Blur. I think the music industry was obviously sturring up the hype for sales. Most "common" people were not that interested.
5% of the population applied for tickets to Knebworth. AKA "common" people. They were huge.
I was 18 in 1990 and agree with you completely.
I was going to hardcore underground Techno/Trance clubs and illegal raves on cocktails of class A's and psychoactives. I floated way above those mere mortals who were into Blur and Oasis were not on the same planet as me, I didn't understand.
Blur Won the 95 battle of bands not oasis
The single yes, the bigger picture of that time they didn’t
Both singles were weak af tbf
@@scottcoles6873 not globally. Blur pissed all over oasis... itcwas only the uk.
A great man once said “Blur won the battle, but Oasis won the war.”
@@scottcoles6873 also Spencer said that oasis kicked there ass in that particular battle. But they didn't
Blur won.
@@HLakin98 not now, there was a time this maybe true but not now.
Sadly, it's way too 90s based. A decade of British music which I abhor. Good music more or less died in the late 80s. Queen was writing better stuff than pretty much any 90s band (like Quoasis!). The 80s is where good music was.
Ps I like lyam not nole
I don't remember this being "Anti American" unless some useless media type was trying to stir up some bullshit, which was their only reason for existing(note the media types were all middle class tossers) there was a lot of love for American music(sound garden, pixies, Smashing pumpkins etc) this was just "more music" and it was(sometimes) good music. A lot of it was shit(Pulp, Sleeper) but was pushed by some dodgy journalists as "Britpop" the kids going to gigs just love the music, Oasis were an amazing band with great songs, no more, no less. Britpop was a media bullshit machine.
Aaaaah, Louise Wener....... Anyway, its not the best documentary, doesn't really give a sense about how many bands were out there just focuses on the usual suspects.
This is not a great documentary. It was released in 2003, the truth about everything that happened and it's significance was still to be fully realised. Many things were seen as far more momentous than they were, far more antagonistic than they were, far more important than they were.
The bottom line was a country that had a rich history of creativity and ingenuity, rebounded back after decade plus creativity-void established during the period of suppressive conservatism.
Gorillaz!
Blur fell out with Oasis because Liam slept with Damon Albarns's girlfriend at the time
Actually that's not true. It was over Lisa Moorish, Liam ended up having a kid to her but he was after her for a while and Damon was banging her before Liam did when Liam wanted her. He ended up getting with Patsy but still chasing Moorish and got her pregnant. Justine was never ever involved in their fall out.
Chease
Blur > Oasis
It's really frustrating watching you two cause you just don't seem to "get" things.
Mike Flowers Pops is the best thing Oasis ever did. By far.
This documentary is utter bollocks
Just like your comment.
Why is this documentary bollocks?
Just so you know...
Blur won. They sold the most albums.
You should get into Robbie Williams ..... he took over from Oasis as the bigest pop/rock act in the world (except America obviously !). Check out Robbie's live performances at Knebworth, unbelievable !
Nope.
Lol
Not blobby
Thatcher was the greatest PM the UK has ever had. A real principled traditional conservative strong leader. The economy was dire when she came to power and she turned it round into one of the most prosperous decades in UK history. The Boomers wealth, great pensions etc etc in a large part thanks that conservative government. We have not had a real conservative government since. During the following Labour governments time in office the 2 parties became a uni-party, bought and paid for by corporations, big pharma, arms dealers etc. Since the 1990s there has been no substantial difference between the conservative party and the Labour Party. Both work for the global elite, just like US politicians, they no longer work for us the people.
Speaking as a Brit I thought Britpop was shit. Then it ended and things got even shitter.
Massive Attack are hands down the best band in the documentary.
Portishead are the best for me
There’s a lot of BS spoken after the event by people in terms of analysis, political commentary and rhetoric. Lots of diarrhoea comes out of the mouths of the Gallaghers aswell, despite their early music being great. Otherwise it’s all tomorrow’s toilet roll as most of the stuff on these documentaries is rubbish to ramp up copy and make things look cooler and more intelligent than they were. At the time I preferred Oasis to Blur. Now I tend to use Andrew toilet paper. Times change.
Albarn had two shots at beating Oasis. One with Blur and the other one with the Gorillaz, and failed both times.
No band can beat Oasis.
Except Gorillaz are more popular worldwide than Oasis and had way more success by selling way more albums in USA than Oasis ever did. But don't let facts get in the way of anything 😂
I'd rather 11 years under Thatcher than 1 year under Biden !!!
Well, Thatcher was a paedophile protector, Biden actually is one
Blur are crap. They're the posh, southern, discount Oasis. Still, I'd take Blur over any of the shite released in the last 15 years.
Discount Oasis? Lol, they sound nothing alike. Blur were a far more versatile band, better players and evolved with each album. Damon wasn't posh actually, he's originally from Leytonstone which is a much rougher place than Burnage ever was lol 😂
@@Two_Seat_Pete_FatA55 Cool that's where David Beckham is from. Looking back maybe this comment was a bit harsh. They're not so bad, I just prefer Oasis.
@jackthehat1093 it's mad to think these were the two most mainstream acts in the country, topping the charts etc it's hard to imagine real bands like that doing that today.
@@Two_Seat_Pete_FatA55 Yeah it's all too corporate these days. Shareholder approved, mass produced puppets.
Blur rock. Oasis suck.
Did you notice how one sided this documentary was.... it made Blur look like the bad ones, didn't mention anything about Blur was the face of britpiop not suede, it showed oasis winning awards but didn't show anything about Blur cleaning up, didn't mention Blur winning the 95 battle of bands and made it look like Blur caused it all when they never mentioned why Blur brought it forward after the embarrassing antics of Liam Gallagher getting jealous of all the media attention Blur was getting. Damon didn't grow up with a silver spoon he grew up on a rough area of London thst was even considered worse than Manchester in Whitechapel. Colchester is wherevhe moved to which is also another working class shit area.
He never mentioned that Blur absolutely pissed all over oasis globally too.
There's a reason Liam is Skint and Damon is a multi millionare.
Ok pal. If you say so, muppet.
@@charliecosta3971what a plank 😂😅😂 skint?? 😂🤣🤣😂😅
@@dib000 Liam said it himself ffs!!!!!!!!!!
@@charliecosta3971I loved both but come on. Globally? Oasis sold more copies of one album world wide than blur have in their entire career. Stop posting shite just because you are a fan. You are exactly the kind of idiot the ‘war’ was created for 🤦♂️😂