Can Elon Musk REALLY create his own city? (Starbase, Texas)
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- čas přidán 13. 06. 2024
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Hey all! This is intended for the CZcams #shorts feature on mobile. I didn't realize it would post to the main channel and people would get notifications. Sorry about that. Don't worry, you'll get a normal video next week. :)
I'm on desktop but I love these so could you maybe create a seperate channel like Half Asleep Chris did? Love to see more!
I actually really like this. As someone who wouldn’t be able to see this Normally, I like it
it wouldnt hurt to put them on your main channel as well as your main videos as long as they r not replaceable videos for the main ones
Ain't even mad. I'll be on the lookout for the full video now next week :)
I dunno how much time you had to work with to make it a short, but the ending was a bit abrupt. It felt like someone unexpectedly closed the curtains on you mid-video.
Moral of the story. When you have money, you can do almost anything you want.
Did you hear that, Mark Suckerberg?
That's called power.
*_Not in Ch'na tho-_*_ Look how Jack Ma (aka 馬雲) dissapeared out of nowhere?_
@@ScubaShark--8964 Jack Ma has been back since Jan. At least have up to date propaganda
@@jonseilim4321 He was lucky others haven’t come back
If you follow "Smart Cities" discussions out of Silicon Valley, this is very obviously their end goal. Tech billionaires are frustrated that they can't do whatever they want in cities (for example, how Sidewalk Labs left Toronto), so they want to build their own.
You'll start to hear more about the concept of the "opt-in city". This is a city built from scratch with Silicon Valley tech, and one that they have complete control over. Residents would "opt-in", and agree to the terms of the service to live there. This neatly gets around data privacy issues and dealing with people who haven't bought into the concept.
These places are going to seem pretty shiny and cool, and will initially attract young tech workers. But I am not looking forward to the end game of a feudal-ruled libertarian tech city where every complex human problem has a "simple" high-tech "solution."
Love these little UrbanistTube crossovers
Idk sounds awesome to me
Tech hasnt been libertarian for about 15 years but beyond that ok analysis. The fact that you dont see that is worrying though
Libertarian? Don't you mean liberal?
@@FatherCorn also, dont forget the difference between liberal and classic liberalism
**COMPANY TOWN TIME**
I never expected to find you here 🥶
It's a test colony for Mars.
I mean it would be cooler if they actually purchased sovereign territory to make their own country, so they could become a “company-state” or “corporate republic” (like the East India Company back in the day)
@@t.3465 he'd need an army as well then, lets name it SpaceX Force.
@@-ANDY. but... how’s he gonna get a massive army? Oh wait... his loyal supporters... duh
We're back to company towns! No way this could go wrong!
Elon Musk and his interests cannot be allowed to leave the planet under any circumstances.
@@Exarian I SWEAR we are so damn close to Space Capitalism becoming a thing, and i am concerned that the government may not act fast enough to stop it.
I own my soul to the company town...but it has a cool name and branding, so nothing could be bad about it!
Maybe in Texas this is a weird improvement compared to a mayor like Tim Boyd , Colorado who tells people in the snow storm "go funk yourself the city won't help you"
Lookup for "Fordland" on Google.
I garrauntee the vote will pass. Everyone wants a city called "starbase."
Small texas towns will not
I don’t want to say my great grandmother almost drowned in Starbase, Texas. Boca Chica is much better.
@@ericr.7311 How is drowning in boca chica(town) better than drowning in strabase(city) exactly?
@@daynesacanle750 It sounds less comical. Plus I personally believe that Boca Chica is a much better name for a future city, compared to Starbase.
Who doesn't
The return of company cities is very troubling. In Nevada, they are allowing companies to run cities. This is doom for workers and workers movements who already can't unionize and have no say in their lives.
I'm a Musk fan myself, but I wouldn't want to love under Musk law. Companies shouldn't have such control over people's lives
Unions have destroyed entire industries in the U.S.--the steel industry for example. They're currently utterly destroying the K-12 education also.
You can't throw out sweeping statements like that lmao
Competition good.
Tech companies run the US and set their own rules and are untouchable , this is nothing
Welcome to tech feudalism!
Technically it's more like manorialism that will inevitably degrade INTO feudalism.
Company towns date back to the 19th Century, early Capitalism era.
@@hmich176 I'm talking about the start of a new global trend, that's why tech comes in the first place
He's not simply building a city, he's building a test colony for Mars.
@@DTMRM8 except Texas isn't in Mars
Apparently this is one of the few places left where one can get coastal property at an affordable price. Before Musk got there it was know for its tranquility too. It is quite lucrative for working class retirees. Just a affordable, quite ocean side place in the middle of nowhere to enjoy your golden years. I guess all good things get ruined. Shame, looks like a nice place.
Im a 7th generation Hispanic Texan. My family had land grants from Spain here. That coastal area is going to be destroyed. It’s sad. Also no one is talking about how he burned down 100 acres of a National park nearby during one of his stupid rocket launches. Unfortunately ppl are letting him get AwY with murder here because we have been ignored since Texas was acquired.
@@MimimiMcArthur murder ?
Now because of SpaceX, Ukraine still has internet access even after Russia disconnected them.
@@gianni.santi. yeah, starlink terminals that USAID paid 3 million dollars for so SpaceX can "donate " them to Ukraine
While I can certainly see this, I also have to say: Space exploration is and advancements in rocket science are needed and should be pushed. NIMBYs will exist on every coast, so you have to sacrifice some piece of nature and private housing in almost every case either way.
Sounds cool, definitely don’t see this spiraling out of control
We’ve come full circle. Company towns seem pretty uncommon in practice today, even though they were a big cultural thing in the US in the past. Learning some context about those after watching October Sky long ago in school was one of the most relatable moments I had in any history class. Knowing so many people whose grandparents worked in those sorts of conditions made it much more understandable (my grandfathers were a steel worker and an engineer, so it was a bit different for me personally).
Edit: Not meaning this as though they were a good thing, just a very close feeling part of the history of where I am from.
One question that I've had for a little while now is whether cities ever decide to un-incorporate. It would be a pretty drastic move to give up the self-governance that comes with being a city, but some small, former industrial cities (i.e. East St Louis or Gary IN) have lost such significant population. Especially since the higher tax brackets are the first to flee these declining cities, there is no way that these cities can afford the costs of providing for their citizens and maintaining the city's infrastructure. Is it possible for a city to give up its incorporated status to receive more support from the county/state, and if so, has it ever happened recently?
I know of one that did. The town of Lealman, in Pinellas County, Florida, discorporated in the early 1970s, and is now Lealman Fire District, which is an unincorporated area of Pinellas County. The residents there pay a special assessment fee to the county every year so they can keep their fire house.
The City of Antelope, Oregon tried to unsucesfully unincorporate as a result of the percieved coup by the Rajneesh movement. It failed as it did not reach a majority, but from my understanding there wouldn't be anything standing against it doing so had it went through.
Well there are two different common events that may happen. There is devolution. Where a smaller division of a polity breaks away into an independent polity or asserts more direct control. Then there is County and provincial services. Sometimes when devolution occurs. The new smaller city cannot provide certain services. It may then depend on the larger county or provincial body to provide those services by contract or a tax structure. These can happen independent of each other too. A large polity with economic problems may defer to a larger county for services and it will relinquish some economic or political control. And sometimes a town or city can devolute from a larger polity and elect to provide their own services and add more.
It actually happens all the time, mostly to smaller towns and villages that can't continue to provide services or are so small that they no longer see a point in remaining unincorporated. An example that is actually located in Texas is the former town (now unincorporated area) of Highlands, Texas. Another situation is when a city is annexed by another city, such as when Harrisburg, Texas was annexed by Houston, Texas.
@@1000rogueleader When an unincorporation does happen, do you know whether the county/state has to consent to allowing the city to remove its incorporation protection? I ask because this would essentially place the burden of the city's responsibilities back on the county/state. I imagine this is not a big deal for formerly-incorporated towns, but for a small city, that burden is substantially larger, and it could be politically problematic for state officials to willingly take on such a large burden if the city does not account for a large percentage of the state's voters. Could the state effectively say "those are your problems, not ours" and refuse to accept an unincorporation?
Given musk's ideas about transit policy, he may be able to create a city, but I don't think he'll be able to effectively run one.
based on what exactly?
and what are the qualifications of all these ppl yapping? how many engineering degrees are we talkin here?
@@CBielski87 I think he just means that Elon has so much on his plate already, that he might not be able to run a city and his companies as effectively compared to just running a city.
Really? Because when i heard of this plan my first thought was i bet that in short order it would be the best zip code in the country to have. Why would you feel hes less capable of running a city than existing government? A government that currently is trying to plan a scheme in attrmpt to extort money from his ultra proven, succesful, and forward thinking business to fund their outdated failing one. And as he is busy with space positioning and dominance he wouldnt be putting much thought into running city once built.He would simply install fully capable and loyal people to run it.
@@CBielski87 his bad idea regarding transit (denying the existence of induced demand and thinking that hyperloops are s sufficient substitute for public transit)
@@InternetLaser NOT THE HYPERLOOP
A Company Town means a Company Store you can sell your Soul to. Can't cover your debit? No worries. Now you can be an indentured servant on Mars loading sixteen tons a day. Another day older and deeper in debt.
You already do that under your government through taxes though.
@@gabbar51ngh listen buddy youre already getting screwed by the government! It doesn't matter my friend. I'm basically just doing the same thing! Now, just hand me your wallet and no one has to get hurt
@@gabbar51ngh Except I actually earn enough to leave if I want. In company towns you earn just enough to survive, hell in some they didn’t even pay you with money- they paid you with company tokens.
That’s the type of corporate dystopia Elon’s little company town will bring
At least 16 tonnes won't be quite as heavy on Mars...
Actually, I'm not sure that's how it works.
I was really confused that I hadn't seen this on Nebula until I realised it's one of those CZcams Shorts.
Yeah, there is no #shorts feature on Nebula, so they live here for now.
@@CityBeautiful i hope they dont add the feature on nebula. Vertical video is annoying
@@minihjalte There aren't any plans to add it. We've got more important features to work on!
@@CityBeautiful One nice feature would to show that you have already seen a video, but ah well, guess you'll enjoy the double viewership xD
OpenStreetMap contributors waiting until its official before speed running the name change. :P
I have it already changed, just need to click save
Please make a full length video on this this is so interesting and perfect for your channel
The video should be about both historical company towns and modern attempts to resurrect the model.
I live in Dallas and this is how it started. A few very rich people started it. I had this idea years ago but it’s hard when you only have a few hundred dollars of birthday money.
I almost clicked off this video when he showed Cameron county I live in Cameron county
Because company towns worked so well the first time. 😳
50 years from now, Starbase will be known as the 21st century’s Blair Mountain.
In your "Can Miami replace Silicon Valley", you mention the impact briefly mention the impact Stanford had on the Silicon Valley. I would be very interested to see what impact top-level universities have on a region.
Frankly, Berkeley had a way bigger influence than Stanford. The gov't sited their computer research at Lawrence Livermore b/c of Berkeley. Without Berkeley, the initial conditions for the birth of Fairchild, a steady stream of talent and gov't contracts, would've never existed.
@@lozoft9 Thanks for correcting me.
Hey, can you please do a video talking about how a linear city such as Saudi Arabia's line could work or function? Vote this up so he sees pls
I think there have been videos on that already? But maybe I'll get to it!
@@CityBeautiful there have been videos talking about the plan of building it but none that talk about how feasible a city such as that would actually function in every day life.
Maybe I'm just being a Musk critic as per usual, but I'd expect that if he develops it into a real city, there won't be any sidewalks, there will be three Teslas per household, and it'll be powered by solar. A sheen of "clean" over a system whose construction will have astronomical carbon impact.
I don't mind the shorts format, though I was thrown off by the vertical video.
Okay Dave let’s move there. When can I run for mayor?
South Texas is NOT my idea of paradise! But I'd vote for you! :)
@@CityBeautiful you are a legend
Can you do a video explaining what those innovation zones in Nevada are? Are they cities? Are they private enterprises? What powers would they have?
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That is really scary, I hope they don't get some billionaire overlord
No different than the oligarchs running the USA right now. They at least get only one billionaire to worry about.
@@deepatlantic2222 true, still such a direct control is just scary.
The city would probably flourish if it was made up almost entirely of SpaceX employees.
@@NotKimiRaikkonen it would be a dystopia
@@robbedeboer2728 lolz. Checked out your playlists, I didn't know adults actually were into Marxism, feminism and anti-imperialism.
History is repeating itself. This is a very bad idea some of y’all did not pay attention in school.
Considering how much Americans pay attention to their own history classes yeah this move will definitely not be stopped.
History repeats itself every time we don't learn from our past errors.
We weren't even TAUGHT this stuff in school is the problem. How many textbooks have the Battle of Blair Mountain as anything more than a footnote at most?
Company cities often outlive the companies. It'll be fine
Nah. Make no mistake about it. The idea itself is good, it's the people that screw it up.
I have faith in Elon and his circle, it's worth the benefit of the doubt.
Wait, could the form of government be something like a monarchy?
No, it has to conform to Texas statutes. Mayor/Council, Council/Manager, Commission, etc.
@@CityBeautiful
Wish new zealand style parliamentary system with mmp was an option.
Speaking of which, why doesn't the state require that the state govt be council manager, commission, etc? What's good for the goose...
Imagine a non-partisan expert state-manager as opposed to a political governor. That state manager would have to maintain the confidence of the state congress (unicameral because bicameral makes no sense if counties can't mirror states in the state senate Reynold v sims 1964).
Unicameral is preferred for unitary states (which us states are--counties are not semi-sovereign like states are with the federal govt).
@@CityBeautiful Thanks for the reply. And btw, this is a great use of the shorts format!
@@user-nf9xc7ww7m NZ cities are run in a relatively similar manner to American ones in many respects, mind you. The police are controlled by the central government and less officials are elected than in some parts of the USA, but it's still the basic elected mayor and council setup.
MMP is basically trying to hit the same compromise the electoral collage in the USA was* (proportionality vs low population areas getting badly screwed over). It's just a much better implemented system. This... Doesn't really work all that well with cities. Though cities can go full proportional without issue... I mean, it's better to just not have political parties At All (FPP is less defective without them, and proportional systems Require them.) but if you can't manage that....
*Among other compromises, at least as implemented in New Zealand.
@@laurencefraser
I understand about the cities, I just wish they could more closely model the national govt. UK cities kinda do that now.
Toyota is creating a city on the foot of Mt. Fuji. I think it's possible.
This isn't like the Toyota case though. Toyota's "city" won't actually have any Toyota jobs or employees b/c thankfully the prefecture didn't like the idea.
Ford did exactly the same. It's just what rich car makers do.
"I owe my soul to the company store"
It’d probably be “vote like I ask you to, or you’re fired.”
I like the short idea but the ending was very abrupt.
I thought there was a longer version to it
My first short! I have to keep it under a minute. Sorry for the abruptness.
Company city bordering a neighbouring country at that. We have Disneyworld and the Reedy Creek Improvement District but that's nowhere near a different country. Would like to see how this plays out.
Company towns hmmm yes where have I heard this before
The return of company towns.
What is there to say even?
Can cities be built underwater with current technology? Also, if building in international waters, does one only need to fund security or does the UN have rules for that?
Look up "I Choose Hampture" YT channel. This dude has been developing underwater habitats for his pet hamsters for years. The tech could be adapted for human habitats in the future.
@@randgrithr7387 sounds cool! I'mma check it out.
just checked, super cool channel and he's really funny too ;)
Would having a bunch of employees signing a government petition their employee is likely telling them to sign even legal?
It is definitely morally bankrupt.
It's like Celebration, Florida except with a much more exciting ride.
But the weather is pretty much the same - hot and miserably sweaty.
Yeah cuz this worked out great for Hershey, PA
Want to see a full video on this
If this becomes a city everybody will be working on rockets lol
Elon Musk: I will create a city
Walt Disney: Hold my mouse
Wow! All of that in one minute.
How is Elon going to expand the city so much?
To the east you have launch station. No room to expand
To the south you have a wildlife zone, the Rio Grande and Mexico. Limited room there and I dont see them getting a piece of Mexico lmao
To the north and west you have a huge body of water and state park, and ofcourse a major channel with cargo ships going through it. You cant drain it
Land reclamation maybe
@@jackyex But where?
@@Jasper-Holland The Boca Chica beach maybe? Or the south bay?
Elon city. It'll be the horrors of a company town but with with technical wonders!
No to shorts, it just felt like the video cut off after 60 seconds. We're not children, we don't have a 60s attention span before our teenage sister is screaming and we need to walk away.
Yeah, youtube trying to get into the TikTok thing is weird. I’m here for 10-15 minute videos, if I want 15-60 second clips I’ll go watch stolen tiktoks on reddit.
Oh boy! I loved Bioshock!
There's people who actually buy ghost towns (abandoned town, not a haunted town) and run their own society. Kind of like a modern Amish, really cool idea.
Sorry but when you said “can he actually make a new city from scratch”... that’s literally how all cities in all of history were made.
Didn't they do this crap in the hills of Appalachia in the 1800's? So is someone going to owe their soul to the company store?
Wonder how Elon’s gonna spin issuing company scrip
Those who don't work for Space X are there filming Space X so I won't be surprised when they get 100% vote. Tim is definitely voting for this.
A city on Earth and not Mars? Disappointed.
You have to have a city to service the Space port here on Earth too.
Once Boca Chica, always Boca Chica.
Do you know the original name of Istanbul was?
@@kokofan50 Was that one Constantinople? Or was that somewhere else?
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@@squeaksquawk4255 Byzantium then Constantinople
@@kokofan50 A) Thanks B) How is that relevant?
@@squeaksquawk4255 just pointing out names change even if you don’t want them to.
Very cool. Your rhythm of speech is so good that I didn't notice the loop at first.
This is super interesting any chance of a full episode on city creation?
I guess I'll call it "Muskland" instead.
How about Muskovy.
Muskow?
I find funny that a guy with such a big mouth(figuratively) bought properties in Boca Chica (smallmouth)
Yay, because company towns were such a good idea in the past.
The only problem that happens is when the company goes out of business at least in Michigan.
Reminds me of the OSHO thing in Oregon, back in the 1980s.
He already treats his employees like serfs, may as well start a kingdom.
I thought that people are willing to work for free for him?
@@synewparadigm Bootlickers on twitter don't have enough skill
Can we REALLY guillotine billionaires? Actually, yes! Here’s how:
We should really start with commies first
could we get a full video on this posted to nebula?
That's exactly how Orlando Florida got formed with Lockheed Martin and their workers living nearby
Dang, now I wanna learn about company towns haha
The basic understanding of it is essentially debt traps
Company towns suck
“Can you create a city from scratch?”
Saudi Arabia: Lol, he doesn't know
I think he has to be hands off the city gov't and services. I'm thinking about how the town of Pullman had to be desperate from the Pullman company. This would be company town.
Elon Musk and his unstable ego scares the sh*t out of me!
Better than Jeff Bezos who just presumably sits on his mountain of cash
@@tenaciousdean6179 sorry this is metaphorically similar to comparing two bad things and accepting the lesser of the two evils to make it okay. You may as well compare Stalin to Hitler...
@@darylmckay I think that depends on how much you value what Elon is doing, I personally think his projects (the majority of them anyway) are going to be very beneficial to humanity. No one would even be talking about having a colony on Mars without him. If this works out (and I think it will), it will be a huge step into levelling up as a civilisation.
Ah, yes the benevolent union-busting, rescue-diver-paedophile-calling, pandemic-denying, child-labour-in-cobalt-mine-exploiting billionaire with awesome projects to help humanity, not his wallet, i too am an utter idiot!
@@justaboi4791 nicely put, that was a much better response than I could have made! This 👍😀
I guess I’m moving to starbase
This actually used to be more common in the past - in England there are several towns/villages built by wealthy business owners for their workers to live in, such ad Saltaire in Bradford.
Damn how much do you wanna bet they got paid millions 😂😂
I'm so tired of youtubers doing this trend of "shorts". Such an annoying genre of information, just to manipulate the algorithms
CZcams is pushing "shorts". Just demand they pay homage to the most famous "shorts" and use the "listen to the mockingbird 3s" musical intro on all shorts!
It's not a trend, but a new CZcams feature. On mobile you can watch them like TikToks. I thought I would give it a try. It's actually an algorithmic risk to me -- I don't want to piss off regular viewers.
I've wondered and dreamed about starting my own city from scratch like this for so long. Thank you for sharing about what that would actually entail 💙
Play Cities Skylines and feel the rush yourself.
If Walt Disney could get Walt Disney World built then Elon Musk can his City Built.
"can he do that" I seem to remember there being an entire city as a part of disney world, so imma go with yes
I envy Elon...
Let’s hope his city isn’t poppy
Nearly a century ago, thousands of Black Tulsa, Oklahoma residents had built a self-sustaining community that supported hundreds of Black-owned businesses. It was known as "Black Wall Street."
The incident, which is estimated to have claimed the lives of as many as 300 people.
Tulsa race massacre a tragic event perpetrated on Black Wall Street, which has been described as "the single worst incident of racial violence in American history."
That was a smooth transition
Elon’s just out here playing city skylines in real life.
Amazing how the place can vote for what they want and it hinges on if a single county judge decides to allow it. It’s Unbelievable how much power judges are given and truly absurd.
A return to company towns? What could go wrong?
This kind of already happened in the 60s in Southern California during the space boom... the place was filled with suburbs specifically to attract engineers and scientists from the east coast
Same thing happened to Lake Jackson in the 1970s due to the oil industry. They created a whole city from scratch. Also The Woodlands, which is a township, was made from scratch via an oil tycoon. In Texas, you can do just about anything
My man's living his city arc rn
Playing city skylines and KSP at the same time in real life lmao
Isn't Disney World technically its own city limits? I think Elon musk is a couple decades late for that "eccentric rich ceo" goal
it's even it's own county. the next way to go up that is to become Vatican 2.0
@@sirBrouwer technically the next step would be for it to turn into a state, the great state of mouse
Disneyworld wont be around much longer with empty rides rusting away while they continue supporting dismantling the last nuclear power plant and the gas plants after that. They have rolling blackouts now. They will last much longer in the future.
@@jackyex no just skip that and become a independent nation. The Disney nation. With king Mouse. Making there other parks embassies.
I guess Little Mouth is not a name he really likes
“Where were you born?”
“Starbase, Texas”
I love 30 mins from here. Boca Chica beach is actually pretty cool
Only 10%?? If 10% of my city decided that, most of us'd be SoL
Hey Dave you should talk about the city of Daybreak, Utah! They had a pretty cool opportunity to plan their city from scratch in the last 20 years and because of it they have incorporated some unique city design elements. @CityBeautiful
My man literally playing city skyline in real life.
Where's the 🍦 Dairy Queen? 🤔
I literally live like 10 minutes from there lol
Imagine someone asking where ur from and u say “starbase” you’d sound cool af
The world:why do you want a city
Elon musk: my goals are beyond your understanding
When has anything like this ever gone wrong?
Yea its impossible for elon musk to fail this I'm pretty sure he already planned it out with his co workers
well what can u do mate.. I think the plan of his building a town is for his Workers to live or for future people who wants to Learn Space and such the schools will be different in this City Compared to Normal ones.. In elon musk city teachers aren't there to teach nonsense but instead teach Useful stuff and basically letting the Children experience the real thing Not just sitting the class for 12hours or more than in a desk By Writing Useless stuff and such.. Without even a slight interest because of not knowing the use of it.. And maybe this city will be where elon musk will try his First City Plan To Mars as For this City There will only be about Space and stuff and maybe in the future It may became the Capital of Space Trading and Space Exploration or Space transportation Its basically just about space
I was being sarcastic and you sound like an idiot
What forms of governments for a city are there in the USA, from which one can choose? I ddn't know there were multiple options for that. Can you maybe do a video on that?
I live 30 mins outside the county and I found out my new future home is 30 minutes away