@@-----hk6jj he broke out of most young offenders places he was put in as a teenager they eventually put him in in Portland as it was more secure. None of what he ever did was violent crime or burglary by the way it was stealing and breaking into shops etc back in those days they would lock you up even for that.
I'm sorry he's gone. whatever became of him after this? How long did he live after this and how did he die? Did he have ups and downs as his life went on- where it seemed his life was working out?
@@frankpaya690he died in 2015 of pancreatic cancer aged 64.He had 3 children was married and divorced once was a good bloke,never went looking for trouble and kept to himself but was able to look after himself 🙏
Came across your crime & prison videos today, 90% of which I’ve not seen before, where have all these come from they’re absolute quality, will keep me busy in the evenings for a few weeks, cheers keep up the good work 👍🏻
I'm glad to have been born in 71, I got the chance to see the country a while before the digital era came and really kicked in, creating the fears, paranoia and the sense of hopelessness that we now see today. It was a tougher life growing up in the 70's and 80's, though there was always a sense of hope and optimism. Sadly those senses have been almost deliberately' stripped away.
Britain was run badly until we entered the EU where many things improved. It had become rotten to the core before we left recently. We are now on the march towards a global communism with Russia, China USA and UK and Europe all signed up to it complete by 2030. These changes are going to be big and broad changes starting with Hawaii and Italy as these pillars of change take place. We will indeed ''own nothing'' and apparently ''be happier''. I'm sorry but taking action in your own affairs and taking agency in the affairs is what should bring us happiness. All choices will be lost and I will even lose the ownership of my own home. If I have spare rooms then I have no say into who will occupy those spare bedrooms.
100% mate, I was born in 74' in Belfast during the troubles, 70s and 80s were mad but if I had the choice to grow up then or now, I'd choose our era over todays.
I’ve seen some of these videos before but they disappeared. Good to see some new stuff(even if it is 50 years old) on this channel. Great stuff. Thanks.
54 years ago....life has changed beyond recognition . The year i was born? My old man was in Borstal, In Kent i think.Hes gone now. God bless him. South London boys both of us and now im an old man. Well 50 odd plus. Man alive life goes by in the blink of an eye.
Carlin, is it? Don't look much to me, Carlin... you're the little toerag who thumped the officer at Rowley... fancy yerself do ya, Carlin? Thumpin' officers, eh?
Good channel that I've only just come across, I've already watched a few of these old documentaries but it looks like you've put loads of them onto CZcams, good one mate it'll keep me occupied for a while watching em I hadn't realised so many older prison documentaries had been made.
@@bushratbeachbum lol these types of people don’t care about the genuine human suffering that went on they just want it all white. If you actually dumped them back in the all white past then unless they’re upper class or something they’d be crying like babies wanting to return to the present 🙄
@@bushratbeachbumYes, having an unreasonably positive disposition towards the past goes hand in glove with many of the nastiest political ideas that are festering in present-day Britain. It's all very useful for those who don't want you to think about the real reasons that our civilisation is on the skids
Fanedit, I hope you have monetised this channel coz you would deserve every penny of it. Your material is amazing and will be viewed by millions soon. Thankyou so much.
I went through the system aged 13. By then it was called "local authority secure care". Turned me around in 3 months. I hadn't been convicted of any crime, but i was possibly on my way there. It was harsh, brutal, but character building. Never looked back. Got work at 18, held a number of senior positions in my life, including head of department in a major national rail company, ironically running a prosecution unit, and now a law enforcement officer. Bring this system back it works. Young men need the guidance i never got at home.
That's because they actually were!. Very, very few were drug addicts and pushers, the majority of them had 2 parents and brothers and sisters who were all from the same stable! Plenty did reoffend but nothing like the rates we see today. Your average standard 15 yr old British lad of 1967 was nothing, not a single thing, like your average 15 yr old today!!!!
I was at Portland Borstal 1969/70 after escaping from Guys Marsh. Everyone went into Grenville which was the reception wing. Then you would be allocated your House. Either Drake, Benbow, Raleigh or Nelson. I went into Nelson and was lucky to do a 6month Mech Eng course under Mr Petty. I got City & Guilds. I managed to complete my training in 13 months and was released in August 1970. Funny I dont recognise any of the housemasters in the video. I dont remember the BBC being there. Maybe they were filming in another house. I thought it was ok there. Not too much trouble. Taught me a trade.
At the time stamp 27:34 there is a calendar on the wall for April 1970. The 4th April, I did my Cycling Proficiency test on that day. I've still got the certificate.
You never got a certificate for Cycling Proficiency test. In the 70s and 80s you got a metal or ceramic badge to put on ya bike. Never released certificates in the 70s and 80s.
This is an excellent documentary I remember man alive programs when I was a kid growing up in the 1970s I wish they would make programs of this quality these days! People seemed to be much more intelligent and have more common sense then than they do now! Also the prison staff seemed to be serious about trying to help these lads to sort their lives out
The movie Scum was the most realistic portrayal of Borstal in the 70s, violence from officers was commonplace.. not all staff, but the ones who didn’t use violence turned a blind eye to the ones who did. In truth there were some decent staff who really tried their best. In 1982 the Borstal system was abolished and all sentences were changed from 6-2 to a straight 8 months, which meant hundreds were released on the same day.
I like how they call them trainees, the only thing they are being trained for is how to be adult prisoners when they become old enough for men's prisons.
Medomsley in Consett was an absolute hell hole! Riddled with paedophiles and sadistic evil staff. So many of those lads committed suicide over the years because they were truly traumatised.
They is a documentary on hindley prision yp in about 98 I would love u to find that I am on for 3 seconds and my m8 for about 10 seconds it’s definitely out there good luck with ur channel it’s brilliant
Great video, my dad was born in the 50s. He always said the mere mention of borstal would make you tow the line. They really were used as a deterrent. I always have visions of it being like the film scum lol!!!
I find it interesting that they're talking about the potential benefits of either being treated more harshly or having the option to serve in the Army instead of the daily Borstal routine. When I see young prisoners on film these days they're usually boasting of their crimes often in the form of a low quality drill rap. The contrast is really interesting to see. Thank you for uploading this. Man Alive presented a really interesting snapshot of the social history of the UK. It's a little before my time. I'm 51 so most of these documentaries were filmed a few years before I was born.
Fella I know from Rhymney Gwent South Wales went here,it didn't learn him,hes 55 in May,and still dogy,hes been in trouble from the age of 15,and now 55 in May pathetic!!!!!
I remember being put in a half way house for a few weeks at the age of 13 in the early 80's. If I carried on, Borstal awaited me. Scared me to death and from then on I behaved and got on in life. Just the sheer mention of Borstal used to instil fear into a lot of young men. Should bring them back, but I fear it's too late for them to be effective.
I was in an establishment in the very early 80's known as Rose Hill on Longley lane, Manchester. I was put in there for stealing money from a teacher's purse at Bollin Cross school,Style, Cheshire. I always thought it was a borstal, but someone told me it was a " secure " children's home. I certainly remember bars on the windows and dormitories. Can anyone shed any light on the subject?; 🤔
The Criminal Justice Act 1982 officially abolished the borstal system in the UK, introducing youth custody centres instead. Basically Borstals were rebranded.
I was dying to read the comments, as ot that old, but I remember watching things like World in Action and After Dark. Compare that to the guff you see being made nowadays. People who say we are now in a ‘golden age of television’ are talking out of their arse, try comparing something like ‘The One Show’ to programmes like ‘Parkinson’ or ‘The Dick Cavett Show’ it’s night and day folks. That’s not to say the past was some wonderous place either.
Joined the army in the mid 70’s, the deputy governor sounds like a senior ex army officer, maybe a major. In and out of Borstal and in and out of prison, same today as back then and only a few want to improve themselves the majority of offenders make a career out of it. I know this as I’m a retired copper from Greater Manchester.
You will see the chaplain tomorrow Archer and there will be no more talk of MECCA!!! In this establishment! Get him issued with the boots! About turn! Move it Archer!
The screws in places like this were notorious for the brutality they dished out on a daily basis physically and mentally only many year's later was it brought to national attention with some former 'P/O's' arrested charged and convicted whilst other's involved had died over the years!!
How the world has changed dramatically eh , the woke brigade of today wouldn't last 5 minutes back then , back when there was only 2 genders for example 😅😅 great videos truly fascinating stuff , i done a few years in prison in Scotland I'm only 40 but dear me they should bring borstal back sort the youths out of today , suppose human rights woukd get shouted alot these days 😅😅😅
done Portland borstal 1981, 1982 1983, done 3 stints first borstal, then a 4 month borstal recall, then in 1983 it had changed to yc and done 9 months, i was in hardy house, then Grenville house, then Rodney just before release, when i was recalled went straight back into Grenville, on my 3rd visit i was in drake house, had 2 Christmases in there 81 & 82 didn't have anyone to send money in for Christmas so had to settle for the queens £1.00 Christmas parcel, which was dried fruit juice , just ad water, and biscuits and a few sweets...no baccy i was education orderly, and was told i only got that job , because i had been back 3 time lol, learnt a lot but to me it wasn't hard, crazy now aged 60 and still have memories of the place, hard to wonder where the 41 yrs has gone since being there, can even remember the swimming pool there on my first wack, but closed by my 2nd 3rd time there, and also playing football in the old quarry lol, think my last weekly wage was £1.75 enough to buy 3/4 ounce of baccy and papers, still have my original education orderly photocopy pass, that i smuggled out of my radio , told the screw i lost my pass and got a replacement remember playing the screws snooker for a packet of biscuits or a mars bar if you lost regards to anyone who done the borstal training.
@@ianwhitehead691 thanks for the sound advice 41 yrs late, like i needed your advice now , i was passing on my experience to others to stay out the system, for what its worth i didn't reoffend after 1983 ok
I was in Drake, 83 - 84. Did 12 months out of 18, youth custody. The Police song, Every Breath You Take, was playing on the van radio as they drove us through the gates. Wasn't the powdered drink called Rise and Shine ? I quite liked it.
great kiwi punk band song from 1980 ,thr tearaways never been to borstal,the borstal model was exported around the western part of Britains Empire ,here in New zealand it was Waikeria ,middle of nowhere north island ,where wayward youth put by the courts stayed .basically stepping stone to the NZ prison system and made these youths who later went to prison hardened criminalswho went on to join a gang and gang life and in and out of prison ,the whole system just produced hard men that hated society and its rules and the system that put them in jail .the begining of all our gangs can be traced back to first kids being removed from home and put in care of the state .then onto borstal as youth then on to the big house adult prison
So different than the jails here. They actually got to have privacy while they changed out of their street clothes & into prison uniforms. Most of the time you are strip searched & in front of everyone.
Just avoid the greenhouse…
Unless... you don't want to avoid the greenhouse;
@@grobbler1it'll be full I reckon 😂😂
@@stuartsmith8562 Plenty of windows too for those who don't 'enter.'
Avoid Barry
😂😂
Thank you for uploading this that's my late brother at 1:20 ❤ 🙏🙏🙏
That's so cool you can find a memory of him encapsulated like this! Do you mind me asking what he did to get there ?
@@-----hk6jj he broke out of most young offenders places he was put in as a teenager they eventually put him in in Portland as it was more secure. None of what he ever did was violent crime or burglary by the way it was stealing and breaking into shops etc back in those days they would lock you up even for that.
@@waynegoodman3345 Do you know what year he was at this borstal?
I'm sorry he's gone. whatever became of him after this? How long did he live after this and how did he die?
Did he have ups and downs as his life went on- where it seemed his life was working out?
@@frankpaya690he died in 2015 of pancreatic cancer aged 64.He had 3 children was married and divorced once was a good bloke,never went looking for trouble and kept to himself but was able to look after himself 🙏
Miss man alive. Great programme n iconic music
Produced by Tony Hatch and his Orchestra 👍
Was on bbc2 then I think from 1965 to 1982.
Most of these blokes were born around 1950. Just think 💭 they are around 75 years old now.
Yes, it's bloody frightening. I was 8 years old in 1970, now I'm 62, can't wait to get off this mad planet. I feel sorry for young people today.
@@Jack_Warner I agree ☝️ I was born in 1973.
@@danrobinson572 You've got 11 years extra sentence over me.
@@Jack_Warner hahaha 😂
Dead .like me old man who was in borstal for armed robbery in the 70s.
Came across your crime & prison videos today, 90% of which I’ve not seen before, where have all these come from they’re absolute quality, will keep me busy in the evenings for a few weeks, cheers keep up the good work 👍🏻
Cheers
Agreed,just came across em last night too,love em & keep dem coming
Me too, great stuff. Love it
@@Fanedit-hb8brfantastic video hopefully you put out more.
@@Fanedit-hb8brhere in America 🇺🇸 once you hit 18 you were in adult prison. Over there they keep you up to 21 in borstal or juvenile prison I guess.
I'm glad to have been born in 71, I got the chance to see the country a while before the digital era came and really kicked in, creating the fears, paranoia and the sense of hopelessness that we now see today.
It was a tougher life growing up in the 70's and 80's, though there was always a sense of hope and optimism.
Sadly those senses have been almost deliberately' stripped away.
Britain was run badly until we entered the EU where many things improved. It had become rotten to the core before we left recently. We are now on the march towards a global communism with Russia, China USA and UK and Europe all signed up to it complete by 2030. These changes are going to be big and broad changes starting with Hawaii and Italy as these pillars of change take place. We will indeed ''own nothing'' and apparently ''be happier''. I'm sorry but taking action in your own affairs and taking agency in the affairs is what should bring us happiness. All choices will be lost and I will even lose the ownership of my own home. If I have spare rooms then I have no say into who will occupy those spare bedrooms.
@@dunki-dunki-dawgabsolute rubbish you deluded fool.
100% mate, I was born in 74' in Belfast during the troubles, 70s and 80s were mad but if I had the choice to grow up then or now, I'd choose our era over todays.
@@dunki-dunki-dawg Are you serious? The EU was the fast track to communism!!!
I think exactly the same l was born in 75 making go carts with silver Cross prams and causing havoc with catapults.
I’ve seen some of these videos before but they disappeared. Good to see some new stuff(even if it is 50 years old) on this channel. Great stuff. Thanks.
54 years ago....life has changed beyond recognition . The year i was born? My old man was in Borstal, In Kent i think.Hes gone now. God bless him. South London boys both of us and now im an old man. Well 50 odd plus. Man alive life goes by in the blink of an eye.
Spot on …👍👍
Carlin, is it? Don't look much to me, Carlin... you're the little toerag who thumped the officer at Rowley... fancy yerself do ya, Carlin? Thumpin' officers, eh?
It really does go fast mate
54 isnt old
Carlin: Where's your tool?
Thanks for all these uploads. That's me sorted for a few months 👍
What a great documentary programme Man Alive was ... good quality journalism from the B.B.C.
Was on bbc2 then at the time.
Good channel that I've only just come across, I've already watched a few of these old documentaries but it looks like you've put loads of them onto CZcams, good one mate it'll keep me occupied for a while watching em I hadn't realised so many older prison documentaries had been made.
This country has changed to a point it almostt brings a tear to my eye.
Weird comment on a Borstal documentary. Do you mean you’re upset that prisons are not all white anymore? 😂
You miss the days of abuse hidden behind red tape and violence around every corner do you?
@@bushratbeachbum lol these types of people don’t care about the genuine human suffering that went on they just want it all white. If you actually dumped them back in the all white past then unless they’re upper class or something they’d be crying like babies wanting to return to the present 🙄
@@bushratbeachbumYes, having an unreasonably positive disposition towards the past goes hand in glove with many of the nastiest political ideas that are festering in present-day Britain. It's all very useful for those who don't want you to think about the real reasons that our civilisation is on the skids
@@granitesevan6243 so true, i love watching old archive videos and docs but my god the comments are usually filled with that kind of rubbish
Fanedit, I hope you have monetised this channel coz you would deserve every penny of it. Your material is amazing and will be viewed by millions soon. Thankyou so much.
Great channel mate, some real gems
"As for work Sir, I dont want to be a gardener, especially greenhouse's and definitely nowhere near coal or pool tables."
I went through the system aged 13. By then it was called "local authority secure care". Turned me around in 3 months. I hadn't been convicted of any crime, but i was possibly on my way there. It was harsh, brutal, but character building. Never looked back. Got work at 18, held a number of senior positions in my life, including head of department in a major national rail company, ironically running a prosecution unit, and now a law enforcement officer. Bring this system back it works. Young men need the guidance i never got at home.
It seems that everyone was so much more intelligent back then
No tiktok
That's because they actually were!. Very, very few were drug addicts and pushers, the majority of them had 2 parents and brothers and sisters who were all from the same stable!
Plenty did reoffend but nothing like the rates we see today. Your average standard 15 yr old British lad of 1967 was nothing, not a single thing, like your average 15 yr old today!!!!
@@501sqn3hahaha, you for real?
Russian troll
@@th8257 Absolutely, though I doubt very much that you are!.🤦
Superb series.
I remember this episode well. Incredible to realize how long ago this was, but many young lads endured. Now, of course, old men.
I was at Portland Borstal 1969/70 after escaping from Guys Marsh. Everyone went into Grenville which was the reception wing. Then you would be allocated your House.
Either Drake, Benbow, Raleigh or Nelson. I went into Nelson and was lucky to do a 6month Mech Eng course under Mr Petty. I got City & Guilds. I managed to complete my training in 13 months and was released in August 1970. Funny I dont recognise any of the housemasters in the video. I dont remember the BBC being there. Maybe they were filming in another house. I thought it was ok there. Not too much trouble. Taught me a trade.
Aye sure mate
You was prob biting your pillow at the time.
@@shaunmclorinan9656 your a sad individual if you think the mans going to make up a story what happened 50 plus years ago. behave yourself Numpty
At the time stamp 27:34 there is a calendar on the wall for April 1970. The 4th April, I did my Cycling Proficiency test on that day. I've still got the certificate.
..and thats why he stayed alive for so long......
My birthday I'd be 8yrs old 2:28
That was my 4th birthday!
You never got a certificate for Cycling Proficiency test. In the 70s and 80s you got a metal or ceramic badge to put on ya bike. Never released certificates in the 70s and 80s.
@@glenndouglas8822 LOL! I got a certificate and a badge, but I lost the badge.
This is an excellent documentary I remember man alive programs when I was a kid growing up in the 1970s I wish they would make programs of this quality these days! People seemed to be much more intelligent and have more common sense then than they do now! Also the prison staff seemed to be serious about trying to help these lads to sort their lives out
Subbed kidda. Nice to see old vids.
The movie Scum was the most realistic portrayal of Borstal in the 70s, violence from officers was commonplace.. not all staff, but the ones who didn’t use violence turned a blind eye to the ones who did. In truth there were some decent staff who really tried their best. In 1982 the Borstal system was abolished and all sentences were changed from 6-2 to a straight 8 months, which meant hundreds were released on the same day.
I would guess as well too.
Are you speaking from experience?
Fantastic video
I’ve been in Wetherby , Everthorpe and Deerbolt. All previous borstals but were YOI in 80s when I was in em.
Notice the lack of black kids , also no fat kids. How times have changed!
Indeed so too.
portland is down south, maybe it was different in other parts of the country.
@@craigprice1567 they have indeed.
How the face of our jails has changed.
I like how they call them trainees, the only thing they are being trained for is how to be adult prisoners when they become old enough for men's prisons.
A couple of my mates have recently had pay outs because they were abused in medomsley borstal by staff.
Boys homes etc had terrible reputations and rightly so..... still being uncovered today for abusive systems.
Paid out big moneybhete to in belfast from 13 gs up to 90gs
@@gilsog8515 thats a lot of ciggies and white lightning init laaaaaahhh!!!!
Medomsley in Consett was an absolute hell hole! Riddled with paedophiles and sadistic evil staff. So many of those lads committed suicide over the years because they were truly traumatised.
Carlin at 34:54
Who????
IM THE DADDY IN HERE?
@@CARLIN4737 hahaha 😂
😅that does actually look like Ray winston
They is a documentary on hindley prision yp in about 98 I would love u to find that I am on for 3 seconds and my m8 for about 10 seconds it’s definitely out there good luck with ur channel it’s brilliant
Great video, my dad was born in the 50s. He always said the mere mention of borstal would make you tow the line. They really were used as a deterrent. I always have visions of it being like the film scum lol!!!
I find it interesting that they're talking about the potential benefits of either being treated more harshly or having the option to serve in the Army instead of the daily Borstal routine. When I see young prisoners on film these days they're usually boasting of their crimes often in the form of a low quality drill rap. The contrast is really interesting to see. Thank you for uploading this. Man Alive presented a really interesting snapshot of the social history of the UK. It's a little before my time. I'm 51 so most of these documentaries were filmed a few years before I was born.
Fella I know from Rhymney Gwent South Wales went here,it didn't learn him,hes 55 in May,and still dogy,hes been in trouble from the age of 15,and now 55 in May pathetic!!!!!
I nearly ended up in Borstal when I lived in Salford in the 70s. I was glad to leave Salford when I did.
Most people are probably glad to leave Salford
Done borstal twice deerbolt then everthope I think myself I was treated really well at both borstals learnt my trade in there cook and still into it
Is it true about what could happen in there? It could be brutal?
I done Deerbolt and Everthorpe in the 70s
4737 carling sir!
@@crok22 where's ya tool?
Right Banks you barstard
"I'm The Daddy round here!"
@@user-qb2yl7ty4c what tool? This fackin tool!
You called.
excellent commentary uk 🇬🇧 manchester
I remember being put in a half way house for a few weeks at the age of 13 in the early 80's. If I carried on, Borstal awaited me. Scared me to death and from then on I behaved and got on in life. Just the sheer mention of Borstal used to instil fear into a lot of young men. Should bring them back, but I fear it's too late for them to be effective.
The spoken English was far better then
innit bruv
Was in Dover in the 80s , and whenever we played up ; they'd say their going to send us to Portland
Ahhh did-ems
Rochester.
Portland, Maine ? Stephen king was born there 🤣🤣🤣
I was in an establishment in the very early 80's known as Rose Hill on Longley lane, Manchester. I was put in there for stealing money from a teacher's purse at Bollin Cross school,Style, Cheshire. I always thought it was a borstal, but someone told me it was a " secure " children's home. I certainly remember bars on the windows and dormitories. Can anyone shed any light on the subject?; 🤔
The Criminal Justice Act 1982 officially abolished the borstal system in the UK, introducing youth custody centres instead.
Basically Borstals were rebranded.
The lad giving the old boy a shave and a haircut - I really hope he made it on the outside. He had a proper way with people.
Exactly how many deputy governors were there at this place ??
I was dying to read the comments, as ot that old, but I remember watching things like World in Action and After Dark. Compare that to the guff you see being made nowadays.
People who say we are now in a ‘golden age of television’ are talking out of their arse, try comparing something like ‘The One Show’ to programmes like ‘Parkinson’ or ‘The Dick Cavett Show’ it’s night and day folks.
That’s not to say the past was some wonderous place either.
I think they're referring to expensive, well made US dramas rather than the One show!
Episode aired Jul 8, 1970
Funny how the ones that went there thought it was clever
Even in prison they used to dress smarter than most of the youth of today
Grumpy old man
If you walk past the greenhouse you can hear "No! No!... No! Please! No!..............OOOOOOOHHHHH!"
'scum' lmao. 😂😂
The man in the intro is making great points.
Borstal looked rough if I was a young lad in there especially first time I would keep away from any job in the greenhouse.
I did 2 Borstals ...... Hewell Grange and Onley in the early 70's . 🏴
I was sent to hewell grange in 70s done a runner second night
As soon as the TV crew had left, I bet the screws kicked the shit out of the cons that spoke out to the interviewer.
😂🤣 I wouldn't be surprised
Yeah I was thinking how the screws were putting on an act cos of all the cameras being there.
Joined the army in the mid 70’s, the deputy governor sounds like a senior ex army officer, maybe a major.
In and out of Borstal and in and out of prison, same today as back then and only a few want to improve themselves the majority of offenders make a career out of it.
I know this as I’m a retired copper from Greater Manchester.
4737 Carlin sir
😂😂😂
great upload this FANEDIT
Glad I was born in 74.Not this day and age.
The staff member giving the introductory speech... not exactly General Patton, is he?
That intro tune takes me back.
At 14 mins 45 secs is that a young Nick Faldo, Steve Davis and Simon Pegg ?
Robert Shaw afterwards..😆
im feeling strongly drawn to mecca sir.
…’Mecca’ Archer!
You will see the chaplain tomorrow Archer and there will be no more talk of MECCA!!! In this establishment! Get him issued with the boots!
About turn! Move it Archer!
@@TomFarrell-js8sl Plastic boots ;)
@@davidbowie2046 I'm thinking of turning Sikh.....
My old man used to cut there hair in the 60s…said most of the lads were just unfortunate upbringings…but there were a few wrong uns….quite dangerous
Judging by the lad saying 2/6 and the April calendar behind the governor I would say this is 1970
Was in youth custody in 1989, got in a fight first week.Ended up in the block, hated being confined.
Wow you're hard.
Britain looked ancient compared to the US in the 1970s.
The screws in places like this were notorious for the brutality they dished out on a daily basis physically and mentally only many year's later was it brought to national attention with some former 'P/O's' arrested charged and convicted whilst other's involved had died over the years!!
How the world has changed dramatically eh , the woke brigade of today wouldn't last 5 minutes back then , back when there was only 2 genders for example 😅😅 great videos truly fascinating stuff , i done a few years in prison in Scotland I'm only 40 but dear me they should bring borstal back sort the youths out of today , suppose human rights woukd get shouted alot these days 😅😅😅
I wonder what happened to them all. I hope they made good lives for themselves.
I hope so too.
Probably members of the Labour Party
I wonder what ever happened to the bloke at 19:37. Hope his attitude had changed since than.
That place still looked the same 25 yrs later
That Ray Winstone @ 16.09 left !!
At 19:37 that bloke probably ended up in prison a lot in his life. You can tell by his attitude and body language.
1970. Reflects the 1960s rather than the 1970s.
When that guy said he gets 2 & 8 a week, I calculated that into decimal and it works out about 13p a week. Two Shillings is 10p. 8d is about 3p.
About 69p today
Really interesting 👍
I got transferred to Portland from Alcatraz back in 1959 because I kept escaping. It was alright.
What was it like in Alcatraz?
You must be a good swimmer
Hello Clint, did you make good your escape then with the other two? 😂
Summer 96 i was in portland.
“Up your F in Borstal”
you have great videos rare your chanel should be bigger start by changing that name ??something more catchy cheers
Mecca!? Archer!!!
Only clicked this out of local interest. Had no idea that Borstal became a general name for youth prisons 😅
Those were the days i love in the 70s when we were not overrun
Decent staff trying to reform the lads, very fair documentary. Where are those boys now.
As we know now, borstals were absolutely appalling places, often with elements of sexual and physical abuse by staff.
done Portland borstal 1981, 1982 1983, done 3 stints first borstal, then a 4 month borstal recall, then in 1983 it had changed to yc and done 9 months, i was in hardy house, then Grenville house, then Rodney just before release, when i was recalled went straight back into Grenville, on my 3rd visit i was in drake house, had 2 Christmases in there 81 & 82 didn't have anyone to send money in for Christmas so had to settle for the queens £1.00 Christmas parcel, which was dried fruit juice , just ad water, and biscuits and a few sweets...no baccy
i was education orderly, and was told i only got that job , because i had been back 3 time lol, learnt a lot but to me it wasn't hard,
crazy now aged 60 and still have memories of the place, hard to wonder where the 41 yrs has gone since being there,
can even remember the swimming pool there on my first wack, but closed by my 2nd 3rd time there, and also playing football in the old quarry lol, think my last weekly wage was £1.75 enough to buy 3/4 ounce of baccy and papers,
still have my original education orderly photocopy pass, that i smuggled out of my radio , told the screw i lost my pass and got a replacement
remember playing the screws snooker for a packet of biscuits or a mars bar if you lost
regards to anyone who done the borstal training.
Don't commit crime then. 🙄
@@ianwhitehead691 thanks for the sound advice 41 yrs late, like i needed your advice now , i was passing on my experience to others to stay out the system, for what its worth i didn't reoffend after 1983 ok
Waste of life.
Massive great pitch…loved playing there…
I was in Drake, 83 - 84.
Did 12 months out of 18, youth custody.
The Police song, Every Breath You Take, was playing on the van radio as they drove us through the gates.
Wasn't the powdered drink called Rise and Shine ?
I quite liked it.
I knew someone who went to a Borstal and he didn't like it, "Im not going back there."
All that free labour and free energy
Some intelligent lads here too
not intelligent enough though obviously 🙄
great kiwi punk band song from 1980 ,thr tearaways never been to borstal,the borstal model was exported around the western part of Britains Empire ,here in New zealand it was Waikeria ,middle of nowhere north island ,where wayward youth put by the courts stayed .basically stepping stone to the NZ prison system and made these youths who later went to prison hardened criminalswho went on to join a gang and gang life and in and out of prison ,the whole system just produced hard men that hated society and its rules and the system that put them in jail .the begining of all our gangs can be traced back to first kids being removed from home and put in care of the state .then onto borstal as youth then on to the big house adult prison
So different than the jails here. They actually got to have privacy while they changed out of their street clothes & into prison uniforms. Most of the time you are strip searched & in front of everyone.
1970's but I'm getting 1870's vibes!
Name and number! etc
I feel myself drawn towards mecca
@goc1842 Mecca! Archer!!!😂
For the Bingo or Dancing ?😂
Get some more shoe polish on you feet.
Do your time in a matchbox
Let us have no more talk of Mecca!!
15.30...you get the same food in here as in prisons 😮 So both this guy and the one just before would rather be in prison locked up in a cell 🤔🤔
Regrettably got sent to Stoke Heath twice 80/82 B & C wing.
Did everthorp 71 72 no biggy 9 month painting and decorating came in handy
Real old school East Lancashire accent from the instructor at 23.56
Deputy governor Robert Shaw the late actor
Where's your tool? What F-ing tool!
There's a lad in that bed, Carlin...BIG LAD....called Pongo. 'E 'eard you were comin'.....
this fking tool
They are casualties of society and have been treated badly.
April 1974
No chance that today. Now they get holiday.