Suikoden IV - Does it Really Deserve All the Hate?
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Where you think Suikoden IV ranks in terms of the series. Is this one of the best? Worst? Somewhere in between?
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it has a lot of weaknesses, but it is a solid game of its era and the sea war battles were really nice, while still capturing the theme of the series. Overall, i would rank it next to Suikoden I, below 2 and 3 (and 5 because of new game+)
But without the champion rune, it becomes unplayable after a while.
@@viktor8316 I slightly put it ahead of V because I prefer the protagonist, True Rune as well the strategist. I don't know whether I put it next to the original or slightly behind, but I do put it below II and III.
2 > 1 > 3 > 4 > 5. Have yet to play Tactics and the others
Personally I feel suikoden 3 is my least favorite from main title. If I rank all my top 1 still the suikoden 2 followed by 5,1,4,3. I will even rank suikoden tierkreis above 4 and 3.
2 > 5 > 1 > 3 > 4 > Tierkreis > Tactics
Who else is hyped for the S1 and S2 remaster? I can't wait to binge them both on my Switch.
what!? That's some good news
Ooo really. I hadn't heard. Ogre battle tactics is getting a switch make over too
Hell yeaaah!
I literally just bought the original Suikoden two months ago to complete my set and was playing through 1-5 again before I found out 🤣
Just need to come in N-switch
Compared to most RPGs released today, it's awesome. We were more spoiled back then than we knew, especially those of us who are still turn-based fans.
Despite being a flawed game, Suikoden IV was one of my most immersive experiences in life, probably because I was a kid when I played this and because I did not any better in this gerne at the time. I like it more than other games in the series because of the graphics and because you have a great deal of control on your camera. I really liked just sailing and visiting islands and take it all in.
S4 doesn't deserve hate of course, but with tha said I do think it deserves the lower ranking for a main Suikoden game. S3 has a much better story and present their cast better. Even with some of the negative gameplay changes from the PS2 and 3D jump, it still presented a rich narrative and world building.
The biggest sin in a Suikoden game is not give much story and character interaction. What makes Suikoden memorable are the characters and sadly S4 got the most bland cast interaction. It is a nice callback to S1 in terms of style and simplicity, but they skimped too much on character dialogue. I'd say it about on par with S1 in terms of character interaction, but S1 has the excuse to be the first of the series (and S1 is among the best settings in Suikoden series even with low dialogue and interactions).
Another negative on gameplay front specifically is lowering the roster to 4 from 6. Again, character interaction is a major component of why we love Suikoden and 1/3 cut just lower the interaction even further.
Still it is a true Suikoden at heart and deserve more love even with its flaws.
Great observations.
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This was my first Suikoden game which holds a special place near and dear to my heart followed by Suikoden Tactics. While I have played I, II and V its easy to see why the majority of players disliked the game so much.
I will say though this feels more different in a good way because of the Nautical themes and the fact that your HQ is a huge ship.
Lore/world building wise, S4 is the weakest imho. But the ship/war gameplay, the full-non-chibi 3D, the voice acting (for better or worse), are great. Though if you do want to play it, use an emulator so you can turbo skip through the hog that is walking/sailing around.
I personally like S3 the most due to the jump it had compared to S1 and 2. And it felt like a new adventure as the story is faaaar away from the others in the series chronologically and I loved it.
There are no bad Suikoden games for me, as they all can definitely stand on their own. But the legend that is S1 and 2 will forever be top tier for the majority of fans, me included.
This one is bad
Good picks. I like them all but 3 is my fav
Suikoden IV is actually a very good game - but it is weak in areas where previous Suikoden games were strong, so it is unsurprising that a portion of the audience rejected it.
I have such love for this game
For a long time it was the only suikoden game I had access to, and it scratched an itch that 1 and 2 left.
Far from perfect, sure, but definitely a solid entry
I hope we can at least agree that La Mer is dope.
Loved the game :) Played through it two times to get all 108 stars. What made it whole in another perspective was Suikoden Tactics. Because Suikoden IV is somewhat of a short RPG, tactics felt like it added more content and made Suikoden IV story more complete.
Probably the Suikoden I need to replay the most. I hated that they trimmed the party from 6 to 4, in a series known for having 100+ playable characters. And sailing really does feel like such a slog. Lazlo's face also looks perpetually derpy to me compared to his cool art lol.
I loved this game. The soundtrack. All the characters to level up. I did not like the random battles....... Every 5 seconds. But besides that it was great. They should remaster it. It'll do it justice. With the technology we got I gurantee this would bring it back
I loved suikoden 4 especially cause of the ship design, the design of the ship and the overall development of your whole crew. easily hits competitors out of the park.
If they remade this, speed up the EVERYTHING, 6 units in combat, and maybe the 4 supports from 5. The random battles, the load times, I'm sure would be fixed too, and if they could implement some nice sailing like more modern titles that include sailing in it or even windwaker which it was much closer in age to, I'd be happy
Also, if the ship could change in appearance.... I've always loved the castle evolving over the game. Just adding rooms didn't do it for me.
And add more areas. Island Nation can barely be called Island Nations because it lacks actual towns and locations, lol.
We barely even know about Iluya before it got destroyed.
So, technically, change all the game.
@@rickzantua7 That to me is a good thing story wise. In Star Wars Episode IV, when Alderaan gets blown up, we never knew anything about it and it was used to show the power of the Death Star and to drive home the point of the corruption and madness of the Empire. I also think that it adds mystery to what this place would have been like when it was bustling with life. It is a classic case of less is more.
Calling IV finished game is a crime, this feels like alpha compared to other suikoden.
I still need to finish it, actually. My only real issue is, as you pointed, moving around in the ship. It's cumbersome and really slow. The random battles are also kinda bland (though it's more linked to the aforementioned ship movement).
That being said, having a moving HQ is neat. I liked in Dragon Quest V, I still like it here.
But the Ship Battles are my favorite kind of War Battles.
And while it's not that visually impressive, each new location is distinct enough.
What I've seen of the story is also pretty good.
Also, that Opening is amazing.
I LOVED 4 & 5 but I will admit those were the only ones I played. I really hope we eventually get a remake of those so I can replay them again
I didn't mind it, don't understand the hate
Compared with the others, it sucks
@@PsychomachineryEBM it's definitely better than 3 and Tierkris.
So, for me, it felt like Suikoden 4 sacrificed its gameplay on the altar of voice acting. Suikoden 3 was just a better game overall.
I might have to finally give it a try. All I remember was people not liking it, some weirdos complaining about voice acting, and a lot of people saying that the boat was too slow.
That said even if it turns out that it is not it's not as good as the others in the series, as good as the series is that's not necessarily a huge criticism.
They also said " if the remaster of 1 and 2 do good sales they'll continue". On ign. When they were interviewed not to long ago. Like last month they said that.
Hopefully they do!
@@Xygor lets pray brother this game was my childhood along with kh and star ocean
This was my favorite game back in 2008
Wasn't it great?
nice. liked and subbed finally. this vid scratched an itch for me. i recently got into the emu scene and want to play thru a lot of these old titles on ps2, since i never had one. the problem is, im getting old. im 44 now. and i have been living in group homes for 8 years now. i have a competant pc, but the things i mentioned are stopping me. i wish so bad i could play thru all these jrpgs. they make me feel so good. thats why i liked ur video so much. please keep making them. going to browse ur back log too. take care
I don't care what anybody says, Suikoden 4 is a game I enjoy thoroughly, I just like the other ones even more
Suikoden IV was the first Suikoden I played, it got me interested in the series. It's not the best Suikoden game but I enjoyed it more than the third. Suikoden 2 is still my favorite. When I was a young kid this game didn't stand out from other JRPG's of the time but I definitely loved it and kept playing it throughout my PS2 days.
The rune cannon system was so cool and innovative.
Agreed!
Yeah 100% agree with this review. Subscribed. Also having Ted in this game was pretty cool to see as a big fan of the first game
Thanks, glad you liked it!
Is this the one that on water? If so yes it deserves all the smoke.
Out of the 5 current Suikoden series, Suikoden IV ranked 4th for me (Suikoden 3 being the 5th), in my humble opinion. There are some aspects of the gameplay that bothered me BUT on the brighter side, I love the story and all what was happening. This installment adds so much to the lore of the series that is why I love it despites its "quirks"
I really like the theme of the game , bit feel a bit rush in some spots . Perhaps more time to polish it would have been beneficial to bring it to the level of the others game of the series . It sure doesn't deserve the hate .
Not bad, but disappointing title because it sloughs from traditional Suikoden role-playing factor. Some video game series should stay traditional because every little change can screw up the expectations and even the gameplay concept. Just four party members in a team...... it's a "no go" for Suikoden..... This series traditionally underlines why a group of player characters is indispensable for a role-playing factor, so.... the definition between an adventure and role-playing game. Suikoden 2 was the perfect example for the best Suikoden game you could experience.
"And I think it's at least better than Suikoden 3."
^ What!? I think 3 is the best in the series.
It is definitely not.
@@SeventhheavenDK The king has spoken...
I really loved 3’s taking a risk and dividing the various story events up between the 3 main characters, plus Thomas to gain the home base. I found it very effective to see the story from all three perspectives. It was a lot of fun and I enjoyed the skill system in 3.
And I can’t wait for Suikoden 1 and 2 to be released on Steam.
Same here!
The story of suikoden 4 it's incredible, and the rune of punishment ordeals is simply heartbreaking, and the fact that it can become at the same time one of the most "kind" runes it's amazing. Suiko 2 and then 4 has the best story
I'm excited for the first two coming out on the switch. I wonder if 3 and 4 will follow.
I wanted to thank you for this. I know it's been a year since you made this video, but Suikoden IV still gets hate so it's nice to see someone talk about what the game can offer. It's rare that anyone is willing to look for the pearls in this game. It isn't my favorite, but I still love it. (and it's #3 in my Suikoden rankings) Great commentary!
Thanks, glad you liked it and have good memories of this game as well!
For me suikoden 4 is unique. You have a base that can move around. However, that's where I started to dislike suikoden 4. When on the world map you will often get random encounters. You move just a little and you get random encounters. Even when you don't hold the PS controller, you get random encounters. It's very difficult to pilot the ship and it was a lot to do before you got Vivi. Besides that, the battle in suikoden is always 6 people, but in suikoden 4 it's only 4. That's too little considering how many SOD we can get. And also in suikoden 4 the lack of animation when casting rune magic.
My only gripe is I find the water travel mind numbingly slow and boring. It's like waiting for paint to dry getting from point A to B. Suikoden 5 is a great place for people to start, but Suikoden 2 is the best of the bunch in my opinion.
The music for me especially worthy of some applaude because they arrange it to be more carribean than the usual nordic in line with sea and island theme
i love this game to death, idc what anyone says, its in my heart and i love all the characters :')
This was the first suikoden game i played and i still love it. haven't played 1-3 but played V and the ds version. Hate the rate of enemy you fight when traveling on the sea or lands.
I loved playing Suikoden IV when I was younger. Wish I still had it to play
Mizuki is litterally Jill Valentine in RE3
One thing that stands out in Suikoden series is the compelling story. It is where Suikoden 4 is lacking. It's not as good as the other games and the characters are not that memorable especially the villains. But Suikoden 4 is actually pretty good if you just spend more time on it. Loving it is actually an acquired taste for me that happened only after several replays.
It's not bad, just different.
Definitely an improvement over 3, which felt too linear and small in terms of gameplay with a map node system instead of a continuous over-world; dividing the game in chapters between 3 protagonists also didn't work too well for the Suikoden HQ/massive-party formula.
Not bad? It's horrible!
Its not as bad as is reputation made it seem.
It can feel grindy and I don't really like the sea/island setting, but it's enjoyable.
Controversial, but I played this one more than V.
Short answer. YES. Own and love the other 4. Never got far in IV could not stand it.
4 was ok. But I’d perf the tactics version of the game that came out because of it. Sukiden 3 and 5 are my fav from the series.
This was my first Suikoden and what made me fall in love with the series. The music in 4 was amazing !
I loved it and I don't care if I'm wrong too.
The on the fly first-person view made looking for 108 transformative.
Whole lotta suikoden 3 hate in here h sha.w i loved 3 ans 4 especially the spin off tactics one
I didn't realize this game was hated. Then again..I played & all these games before social media was a big thing 😂😅
I enjoyed all these games.
I like s4, it's just I like it the least in the series
only Chodes think Suikoden 4 is better than Suikoden 3, the best game in the series. 4 does not deserve all the hate it gets though. its a fine game. Its major flaw is its a prequel, after Suikoden 3 sets us up to finally learn more about Harmonia. I think thats where most of the hate comes from. I also dont think the story we get is particularly interesting or well told.
Great video! I really enjoyed your review of Suikoden IV. It's interesting to hear your perspective on whether the game truly deserves all the hate it receives. The detailed analysis of the gameplay, story, and themes within the Suikoden universe was insightful. Keep up the great work, looking forward to more content from your channel!
For me, it's 1>2>5>4>Tactics>3
I'm very confused that you're not the only one in here saying 3 is bad. It's my favorite in the series.
@@guruthosamarthruin4459 I never said it was bad, quite the contrary, just that I like the rest of the series more.
@@Kuroitakai Fair enough. I still find that surprising, though.
@@guruthosamarthruin4459 People's opinions are driven by a number of variables, I suppose: personal tastes, the time in their life when they played it, memories, perspectives, etc.
The cool thing about Suikoden is that there is a wide variety of subjects, characters, stories, and gameplay approaches that most can find something that clicks with them, and what that is is going to be different for everyone.
I appreciate your love for Suikoden IV,. It's not a bad game, but it's a step below the other games in the series. HOW DARE YOU DISRESPECT SUIKODEN III , the best game in the series! You've lost credibility with me. I'll probably ignore the rest of your content.
Definitely does not deserve the hate. It is a great game and it has been getting a lot more love in recent times as people have gotten used to it not playing like a traditional Gensou Suikoden game.
It has its problems and most certainly could have been better, but the positive aspects of the game were good enough to make the game very enjoyable.
It does
@@PsychomachineryEBM I don't really care what you think; so yeah...
@@PS1Fan1991 cool, then move on
@@PsychomachineryEBM You are the one who responded to me.
@@PS1Fan1991 sure, but move on, don't reply to me anymore 🤷
There's a very soft spot in my heart for the Suikoden games. While I absolutely love Suikoden IV, I think it's middling compared to other games in the franchise.
I agree with you. I like Suikoden 4 more than Suikoden 3.
I love Suikoden 1 to 3, but 4 killed the franchise to me, I didn't bother to even try 5 after playing this one. I remember the mouvement of the ship being slow and hard to control, and the random encounters happening to often and being out of place.
That said I haven't play it since it's release, I may give it another try after going through my backlog of jrpg.
You have to play 5, it's almost as good as Suikoden 2.
@@nworder4life felt 5 was so overrated game was really slow and boring
@@Jack-nj9pi Yeah. I retained one of the worst aspects of IV and even dropped the best aspect from it.
Suikoden V is my second favorite ( next to Suikoden III). The story, graphics, and character development are very well done.
5 is one of the best in the series for me, definitely just behind Suikoden 2.
Suikoden 4 really needs a remaster as the graphics don't hold up and it just slogs on. It was fun at the time but it's painful now
i can't bear the random encounter rate... this is the only suikoden i truly cant finish
Only one I could not bring myself to finish. I really felt it was the worst in the series.
The biggest flaw is it felt empty. In every way you can think of
worse sailing ever due to the enemy encounter rate is super high af, managed to get the true ending on suikoden 4, other than that it was ok.
finished suikoden IV when i was in middle school, it was the best memories i had, though yeah, the majority of environment is the thick blue sea, but still it is good imo
I have a soft spot for this game (and tactics!) Although it wasn't the strongest, it left a good impact for me in terms of the music and the lore of the rune of punishment. I played this game the most along with suikoden 1.
While I love the game, I do hate interacting with the western fanbase. Because apparently, if someone likes this game, they'll start aruging 😅
Great, glad to hear your thoughts on it!
this was my least favorite for sure. I don't even remember how far I got with this one considering I've beaten all the other ones. I'm sure the other stuff in it is not terrible (not sure actually) but the ocean exploring just killed it for me personally.
I can't really rank it, as I've only played the first and fourth games all the way through, but I thought it was a solid game. I really hope the S1&2 port sells well enough to justify porting the rest of the series over to modern platforms.
5 2 1 4 3 is my order 5,2 can be interchanged as well as 1,4 3 will always be the “worst” but still it’s a great game
2 3 1 5 4 is the right order
@@PsychomachineryEBM it’s my opinion so it is right lol
@@Xebusc not right or wrong, just your opinion, like mine 😎
The only thing i hate about this game is the fast random encounter,I love the rest of it.
I think IV is the worst suikoden because
- the story really short
- Crazy random battle
- Very few town and each has very little story
- From 108 heroes, not many really shine
- no background story like Richmond, kid, or oboro investigation
- The enemy motivation was not really clear, Tactic help a lot to explain, but that is another game
When i said it is the worst suikoden game, it doesn't mean it is a bad games. I finished the game three time and i enjoyed except when the random battle happened.
This is my rank from best to worst
II - V- III - I - Tactic - IV
Great video boss, the best from suikoden 4 unite attack, duel animation , and weapon upgrade. Can't wait for suikoden v video from you
I absolutely loved 4, though theres definitely some improvements I'd like to see if it were remade today
I enjoyed Suikoden IV, but damn did it have its flaws. One of the biggest was that the moment you recruited Viki, the entire purpose of having a mobile base was lost. The second was that the world was just too small. The ship-to-ship battles were a lot of fun, but no-where near the quality of Skies of Arcadia or even Wild ARMs 3.
I have finished Suikoden 1, 2 & 3 (while recruiting all 108 stars). I never finished 4 or 5 and am just now going back to finish 4.
I understand gameplay wise and many other aspects of 4 are just like the 1&2 but stylistically it's just so bland... The characters, the world, the graphics... Especially when compared to 3.
Also, 3 is great if only for Geddoe. (And the manga associated with the game) Coolest protagonist in the series so far!
No but also yes.
Suikoden IV is still a Suikoden game and still has some great moments but the things that drag it down weigh fairly heavy on the game like the castle boat moving like a piece of driftwood wrapped in a soaked cloth and the high encounter rate, the party being restricted to four party members, etc
Depends if you played 1, 2 and 3. If you skipped any game in that list the answer would be yes, but missing a LOT of context to see where the game was going.
My personal list of best to worst is 2,5,1,3,tactics, 4
Suikoden IV is easy top 10-- not just PS2 JRPGS, but RPGS of all time.
The art direction did well to just show how hopeless and miserable the story is. While III had this.. kinda uplifting aesthetic, IV constantly reminded you of how hopeless being the bearer of the Punishment rune was. And paired it with the Soul Eater. Man.
I gotta disagree, I played this game for the first time this year just to see if It was lived up to the hate or not. It did live up to the hate and is the worst mainline game (at least in my opinion).
1.) No compelling characters, even the characters who should be the most compelling get 2 lines of Dialogue (lm looking at you, Kika). There were potentially interesting characters, but the story decided not to dig into any of that. I might be able to forgive a game like this in the SNES era, you were limited for space, but as Suikoden 1 did much more with its characters and narrative, I cant give 4 a pass.
It definitely doesn't help that the units you spend the most time with early in the game are generic characters whose presence doesnt matter to the story. There is no depth even to the characters given the most playtime.
This might be ok if the MC was interesting, but by being a silent protagonist , you need compelling characters like Suikoden 1, 2, and 5 had. Suikoden 3 is the game I havent played in a long time, so I cant comment too much on it, but I remember the core trio at least being interesting, as well as the what was happening with Luc.
2.) Snowe is insufferable, and he is the games big reward for getting 108 stars? I'd rather leave someone behind than redeem him. The decision to redeem him makes sense from what they were trying to do with the narrative for the rune of punishment, but you also need a character that has some facet that is redeemable, which he pretty much lacked.
3.) The ship is terrible to steer, and the extreme random encounter rate on the ocean makes it unplayable. Sure you can quick teleport between islands, but the time spent to unlock them via sailing is pretty bad. This game is a terror to get around before you can find Viki.
4.) While the animations in battles did improve, the art direction got more bland and lack of good character designs made for forgettable characters. This is a double whammy with the dialogue.
5,) The battle system was over simplified. They moved back to how Suikoden 1 and 2 had their moves, but also went down to 4 members from 6, meaning you couldnt really play around with your characters. This significantly cut down the amount you could do in a battle, and made rune usage very restrictive. It's this move that probably made them be able to use better animations (more polygons usable when you are displaying 2 less characters), but the lack of updating the battle system to acknowledge the smaller party did no service to the gameplay.
6.) animations in battle honestly took too long. I get the feeling this game was pushed out before it was ready, but between the animations and loading times, it feels like it needed more work under the hood. Again, this combined with the ship's steering and encounter rate makes sailing unbearable.
The issues it does have really just compound on each other making it worse than the sum of its parts.
I wanted to say "oh this game wasnt so bad" but by the time I got to the point where you can name your army, I named by army Suifi, because I wanted to move on to Suikoden Five. I beat four, just to say that I did, but would have rather spent the time playing other entries in the series after playing it.
I will give Suikoden 4 this, its short for a PS2 era jRPG. I think that's an increasingly rare (and often good thing) when a jRPG can be concise and not completely bog you down in bad side quests that eat up hours upon hours. I used to be one of those "well greater playtime = more value for the game" until I realized that mindset meant that devs would just fill that play time with terrible side quests just to extend the timer on the game.
I did play 5 after, and I did revise my opinion of 5 downward a bit too though its still my favorite PS2 RPG though, but thats because the very end of the game felt really rushed/unfinished more than anything else. Probably a rough translation too, though since I dont know Japanese, I couldnt tell you for sure. Gizel still has the most punch-able face in gaming though.
Suikoden 4 feels like you are playing a beta version of a game. So many thing that can be added like and needs to improve. This suikoden 4 is the most unique from this title and you will still able to enjoy it if you are a suikoden fan. However we cant deny this version lacks character for majority of its SOD, the control of your ship is so shitty, the battle every 2secs, lack of story if you will to compare to other suikoden
i kind of prefer it over Suikoden 5. In S5 the gameplay in the first half is boring unless you're playing new game+ and the war battles soured the taste for me further.
For most of the time playing S5 it made me wish i would have played S3 or S2 instead. In S4 the gameplay was kinda disappointing also, (compared to S3) but the ship base and the trading system made up for it.
Plus, the sea war battles were really nice.
I also prever 4 over the overrated 5. 5 is so slow, with long loadings for battles and also slow animations that make the game a slog to play. 4 is at least fun to play
It's okay i guess, the only think i kinda hate is the motion capture they use for the battle kinda awkward to see lol
I loved the custumizable ship battles!
I honestly like 4 better than 3. The ship sailing thing is annoying, esp. with the excessive random enemy encounters, but that is fixed fairly early in the game (to an extent) when you get Vickie to teleport between islands. 5 is still by far the best of the 3 though (I have not played the first 2 games). I would recommend this game to anyone who likes the series, def. doesn't deserve all the hate it gets.
It got too much hate than it supposed to get. I hate the 4 party system and the slow boat ride. The story is fine but the antagonist feels a bit lacking.
I actually agree with you the fourth one is definitely better than the third one it reminds me of the first and second one when it comes to story the third one was just so different with the gameplay in a story the story felt like it was half done and Thomas being the hero store always bug me
1:07 - Wow, they were able to hire Helena Bonham Carter for this game!
I was expecting lackluster rpg based on the reviews and it’s reputation. But your review is on point. It is somewhat flawed but very enjoyable title in the series. Highly underrated.
My tier list would be:
Suikoden V
Suikoden
Suikoden II (Yeah, I said it)
Suikoden IV
Suikoden III
I enjoyed all of them. Suikoden 3 has most issues. 1 is better than 2 in my opinion, 4 has issues but still great jrpg. 5 is a classic title for me.
I'm very partial about Suikoden only created by Murayama so I only replayed 1-3 recently. I don't think 4 gave me a good impression knowing it's not from Murayama and I remember the story to be simple compared to the rest.
4 Excels at showcasing the rune of punishments power. The 4 person battles is the low of the series, rune animations are pretty cheap and the island nations overall are not that impressive. There's plenty of good stuff in this game but it just doesn't match up to the rest of the series. S2>S5>S1>S3>S4>Suikoden tactics
I am grateful for any Suikoden game that get released.. I wanna know the ending of it there is lots of mystery like Yuber and Pesmerge and the Cyndar clan and Harmonia reasons for collecting the true runes.
I havn't played Suikoden 3, but I would say that 4 is a worthy Suikoden game it's just a bit slow and and not that long at the same time but I understand why people say it's their least liked one but even the worst of the best would still be a solid 7/10 game to me
I need to replay this because it didn't land when I first played...V is my favorite
The game was okay, but what I disliked so much that it falls short to the others is it's graphics and animations. The walking animation of the protagonist alone looks so silly. Everything looks so stiff, even stiffer than in Suikoden 3. However, this game had so many things I loved, like Jean as a playable character, return to a single protagonist and, most important of all, meeting THE legendary Schtolteheim Rheinbach III. to name a few.
Suikoden IV was fun for me as my first Suikoden game but I doubt I would have liked it as much if I played the others first.