@@djshumoomoo4075 The reliability advantage of simple blowback guns isn't necessarily their flawless function, as many are made relatively cheaply, but rather that the malfunctions they have are easily remediated and parts breakages are quite rare.
The real question is this: does Ian bring that little wood gun stand with him to other places when he does reviews? I love these types older historical videos.
What a coincidence - I was very recently watching a repeat of the 1978 series "Return of the Saint" (S1 E8 The Poppy Chain) and the shoot out with the Camargue based drug runners saw them armed with a MAT-49 and an unknown (to me) other SMG, then lo & behold this video drops and it is the same gun, the Gevarm SMG (can't recall if a D3 or D4). The series was known for lots of location shooting around Europe rather than bringing the world to Elstree Studios hence the readier access to French weapons.
Glad to see more unknown French submachineguns. I hope one day we can have an episode about the French SMG developpements of the 20's, especially the STA 24. A good 9mm Parabellum gun that would have been the standard issued SMG of the French army at the end of the 20's. But then someone decided that all small guns had to be in 7.5mm....
I have a Gevarm E-1 rifle. Straight blow-back, open-bolt, .22 with a great huge ridge down the centre of the bolt that all but crushes the end of the cartridge when it slams home. It's a backpack gun with a big knurled takedown screw to remove the barrel and forestock. Fun little gun.
The supposition that those holes in the lower receiver are for the sliding wire stock is half right, according to photographs the rear one is for the wire stock but even the wire stock version shows the forward holes with nothing in them. There is a photo of the Gevarm in Maxim Popenker and Anthony Williams book “Sub-Machine Gun” but the book identifies the D4 as the collapsing stock version and the D3 as the wooden stocked one.
The ejector barrel catch piece is a nice touch. It makes it easier to manufacture since you do not have to weld in an ejector, and if anything goes wrong, it is easy to replace.
you're so lucky the Gendarmerie allowed you to see their gun collection! The few only times I visited them was when I (as a kid) had one of mine confiscated and I had to get there with my parents (ouch!)
Great discovery, simple, effective, this IRCGN should really contain as many little or unknown pieces as possible. Something to make you happy dear Ian.
Believe it or not, a few of these SMG with the wire stock were used in Nicaragua during the 1979 Revolution. I had no idea what these were since they didn't have any markings other than the serial number. It took me a while to figure out what they were. How and who brought these to Nicaragua is a mystery to me. There were so many weird guns that showed up there. This type of SMG was one of them.
I wonder if they could have been part of the arms on devils island or possibly French Guyana it would at least explain how they got to this side of The Atlantic
A French sub gun that doesn't fold anywhere? What sorcery is this? And how do you make a gun significantly cheaper than a MAT 49, they seem to be the very definition of bare bones. Thanks for the content.
No folding mag well, no grip safety, no spring loaded dust covers - little widgets add up fast, when looking at a simple sheet metal or drawn tube SMG.
It reminds a bit of the Spanish Republic Labora Fontbernat M-1938 SMG: the radiator type barrel shroud, long magazine well, pistol grip, relatively large wooden buttstock... However the Spanish one was quite expensive to manufacture as It was mostly mechanized if I am not mistaken. Not too many were built, around 1500, maybe 2000. I hope Ian could get his hands on one some day and make the mandatory video.
I would love to see a modern CAD version of this gun with modern upgrades, also I think the hole directly behind the trigger group was for a sling swivel for use without the buttstock ALA 80's hip-shooting ALA CQB, the rear hole would most likely be a spring detent for a over/under folding stock. either way this would be a great modern SUB-GUN to re build as modern "STEN" variant.
Could we have an episode on the HK45 and modernized FALs? HK45 was developed to be used by Delta Force, being kinda a modernized 1911, but I think it was never adopted. It was supposed to be THE pistol, but it's now forgotten, what happened? Also, there's an episode on modernized G3s, we could also have one on fals. It's another forgotten weapon, and people only talk about rhodesia when they remember the fal, but there are a lot of countries who still uses it, I think it would be cool if modernized fals become a new trend like it was the alpha ak.
The HK45 is still produced (or was until very recently) and found major success on the civilian market. It is one of those firearms that HKnuts argue with other HKnuts about what is the best .45 that HK produced.
When you say modernized, what do you mean? Modernization comes in two flavors: One can change an old gun design to have new capabilities, producing entirely new guns made specifically to have those new capabilities. One "modernizes the design," rather than modernizing the guns themselves. The other way is to take produced guns and replace old parts with new parts to change capability. One is modernizing the guns themselves. In general, most users of the FAL have not significantly modified produced FALs to have new capabilities. FN is noted for encouraging customers to buy new-production FALs that have new features built in, rather than offering major upgrade kits for existing FALs. Several major users of G3, conversely, have opted to actually take their old G3s and replace significant portions of the old guns with new parts intended to change capability. H&K is known for promoting modularity in their designs which facilitates post-production upgrade or modification.
@@JD-tn5lz I was curious to know specifically what happened with the hk45 in the army, the pistol met the delta requirements, why did they choose glock instead? I know that they didn't like the finger grooves, but in general, that's it.
@@genericpersonx333 With modernized I mean: add a railed dust cover, different stock, grip...not really made a new gun. Dsa makes fals with aluminum parts, and they have the same weight as a fn scar, but have a non reciprocating charging handle, and it doesn't break optics AFAIK. It would be interesting to see a comparison between a modernized fal and other rifles. Everyone likes the ARs, but some people would like to have a side charging handle and a folding stock.
It would be fascinating to see a video on the FBI's 10mm version of the HK MP5. Probably not a very long video - but it was a thing for enough time to appear in a couple of Tom Clancy books.
You are right. Those holes in the back were for the wire buttstock. That buttstock slid forward and backward. There are pictures online for the other version.
So... Another entry in the "Angry Pipe" series of submachine guns.. Cool. 😎 I would certainly love to see it fired, if the correct spring can be found.
I have a Spanish, made in Eibar SS 12 gauge shotgun which also has a red rubber recoil pad that is similarly hardened and disintegrating. I've seen other red recoil pads in similar condition, and it strikes me that I don't really know whether any rubber recoil pad that old will be in similar condition, or whether the red coloring agent is contributing the the pad's deterioration.
You have such a singular niche on youtube, dude. Lot of people do 'let's shoot this gun' channels, but I bet they ALL watch your channel to find out about guns they never heard of.
I noticed that "STEN" spring quickly, the original would almost Shurley be a short compound spring like the springs used on a modern AK trigger group, again forward thinking!
Overall, it looks like it would be a good submachine gun. Low costing and efficient use of materials at the time, easily maintained and repaired. A good choice for issuing to massed troops for urban use. I could see the company logic on it, for sales to former colonial countries, if the open markets were not still flooded with WW2 small arms then.
3:05 That R stends for Rafale, which is indeed Full Auto in French. And for those who are wondering why we'd name a fighter jet Full Auto, Rafale is also a gust of wind. French, learn 50 words, drop half of the letters and there you go. Tourist ready!
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I was really surprised at the date of this gun, it has a real Art Deco feel to the design, that swooping stock & stepped barrel shroud. The shape of that rubber shock pad looks like someone glued on the sole of a plimsoll (sandshoe/sneaker).
Ian does so much French weapon outreach that he should be on the staff at IRCGN (Institut de Recherche Criminelle de la Gendarmerie Nationale), like a Public Affairs Officer or something.
The hole through the fire control assembly locking pin/bar is probably for a sling for the folding-stock version, which appears to have been used. So I'm wondering if this is a mix of model parts?
I wonder why they even bothered putting 100m sights on this piece, since barrel is barely 20cm in lenght and with respect to the way it operates (9mm fairly cheap smg) it seems almost as if this was accurate maybe up to 30-50 meters with anything hit beyond that range being prolly more of a lucky shot. Still I'd love to see if it is true or not on range. Maybe I'd be surprised.
As a native speaker, I would be quite surprised if it wasn't pronouced "Jévarm" insted of Guévarm". You're quite probably under German influence (Gewehr) :)
Wouldn’t that be annoying to have the sling right near the front sight? I’ve never aimed a gun with that kind of thing so I can’t say if it would bothersome
Looks like something goons in a TinTin comic will carry.
Lmao too right!
@@caprise-music6722 and they'd get distracted by Snowy, and Captain Haddock gets them with a vase to the head, never getting to fire the thing.
Unless it's flight 714, then Tintin would definitely fire it at goons in the jungle
Now I can't unsee it! 😅
Dork talk
"Not a whole lot can go wrong with it" is a valuable feature for a military firearm.
Pvt Snuffy is the best beta tester of firearms on the planet. If it has an issue he WILL find it.
@@djshumoomoo4075 The reliability advantage of simple blowback guns isn't necessarily their flawless function, as many are made relatively cheaply, but rather that the malfunctions they have are easily remediated and parts breakages are quite rare.
Every time I wonder if the next French gun I see will look normal and I've never been disappointed
The French follow no-one...and no-one follows the French.
The thing feels wrong in every dimension - like it looks like a gun that's designed from a drawing made by a little kid
@@bigmike- I'm like 90% sure I accidentally drew this gun as a kid and had no idea! Lmfao
New lebel VCD 10 and VCD 15 of Verney Carron
The real question is this: does Ian bring that little wood gun stand with him to other places when he does reviews? I love these types older historical videos.
In one Q&A he said he _might_ have swiped a few of those "little kidney shaped wooden stands" from Rock Island Auction over the years lol
Haha - yes, I take them with me whenever I film.
Excuse me sir what's this wood thing in your luggage ? Well.... officer it's for ........
@@ForgottenWeapons I'd buy one....branded with your wood-burned logo.
@@badsplinter I need one. Definitely.
What a coincidence - I was very recently watching a repeat of the 1978 series "Return of the Saint" (S1 E8 The Poppy Chain) and the shoot out with the Camargue based drug runners saw them armed with a MAT-49 and an unknown (to me) other SMG, then lo & behold this video drops and it is the same gun, the Gevarm SMG (can't recall if a D3 or D4). The series was known for lots of location shooting around Europe rather than bringing the world to Elstree Studios hence the readier access to French weapons.
Some blank firing were made for the film industry
Glad to see more unknown French submachineguns. I hope one day we can have an episode about the French SMG developpements of the 20's, especially the STA 24. A good 9mm Parabellum gun that would have been the standard issued SMG of the French army at the end of the 20's. But then someone decided that all small guns had to be in 7.5mm....
i'm a simple french man, i see a french gun on FW, I press the like button !
Then you have pressed a lot of like buttons over the years.
Same frérot, because Ian is accurate and make the connection gun + history + engineering he derserve all video to be like ;)
"Hon hon hon hon!"
I have a Gevarm E-1 rifle. Straight blow-back, open-bolt, .22 with a great huge ridge down the centre of the bolt that all but crushes the end of the cartridge when it slams home. It's a backpack gun with a big knurled takedown screw to remove the barrel and forestock. Fun little gun.
The supposition that those holes in the lower receiver are for the sliding wire stock is half right, according to photographs the rear one is for the wire stock but even the wire stock version shows the forward holes with nothing in them. There is a photo of the Gevarm in Maxim Popenker and Anthony Williams book “Sub-Machine Gun” but the book identifies the D4 as the collapsing stock version and the D3 as the wooden stocked one.
The front hole has a circular witness Mark where something has been attached that rotated in place. Has to be a sling swivel that was removed later.
@@skepticalbadger That might be awkward, looking at the collapsing stock version when the stock is slid forward it covers most of that forward hole.
The ejector barrel catch piece is a nice touch. It makes it easier to manufacture since you do not have to weld in an ejector, and if anything goes wrong, it is easy to replace.
Yeah. It's one of those features that would have been copied over and over if this one had been a little earlier and been a big international success.
I love that barrel shroud, looks like the most expensive part of the gun!
The disassembly is similar to the Gevarm E-1 .22 takedown rifle. The barrel comes off while the spring loaded bolt is held in by a small latch.
you're so lucky the Gendarmerie allowed you to see their gun collection! The few only times I visited them was when I (as a kid) had one of mine confiscated and I had to get there with my parents (ouch!)
These days, Ian has fans everywhere that there are interesting guns and people who understand English.
Great discovery, simple, effective, this IRCGN should really contain as many little or unknown pieces as possible.
Something to make you happy dear Ian.
Compared to the hardware mess of current guns, it is refreshingly simple.
The CRS were not just “motorcycle troops”. They were the internal security force for the French . There is no equivalent in the US.
Correct. Often the last resort Riot Police.
Kinda sounds like national guard almost
@@AdamantLightLPthere is no state or federal riot-specialised police force in the Usa?
@@julienzavaro3070most of the city state and federal police forces have riot training. If its really bad national guard.
@@AdamantLightLPNational Guard is definitely a military force, but the CRS are strictly a civilian police force.
Idk why this is something I'd picture in a sci-fi film haha defiantly has that laser gun look to it.
Believe it or not, a few of these SMG with the wire stock were used in Nicaragua during the 1979 Revolution. I had no idea what these were since they didn't have any markings other than the serial number. It took me a while to figure out what they were. How and who brought these to Nicaragua is a mystery to me. There were so many weird guns that showed up there. This type of SMG was one of them.
I wonder if they could have been part of the arms on devils island or possibly French Guyana it would at least explain how they got to this side of The Atlantic
A French sub gun that doesn't fold anywhere? What sorcery is this? And how do you make a gun significantly cheaper than a MAT 49, they seem to be the very definition of bare bones. Thanks for the content.
I think the absence of folding makes things cheaper since you don't have to pay for extra machining time
No folding mag well, no grip safety, no spring loaded dust covers - little widgets add up fast, when looking at a simple sheet metal or drawn tube SMG.
The spring plug might not belong in the receiver, but the spring itself might be the right one for the gun.
Something weird going on with this gun... but looks like it would still function?
@@aeromangus All parts are there.
It reminds a bit of the Spanish Republic Labora Fontbernat M-1938 SMG: the radiator type barrel shroud, long magazine well, pistol grip, relatively large wooden buttstock... However the Spanish one was quite expensive to manufacture as It was mostly mechanized if I am not mistaken. Not too many were built, around 1500, maybe 2000.
I hope Ian could get his hands on one some day and make the mandatory video.
I would love to see a modern CAD version of this gun with modern upgrades, also I think the hole directly behind the trigger group was for a sling swivel for use without the buttstock ALA 80's hip-shooting ALA CQB, the rear hole would most likely be a spring detent for a over/under folding stock. either way this would be a great modern SUB-GUN to re build as modern "STEN" variant.
Ian gets to go to the coolest places and look at the coolest stuff.
Could we have an episode on the HK45 and modernized FALs?
HK45 was developed to be used by Delta Force, being kinda a modernized 1911, but I think it was never adopted. It was supposed to be THE pistol, but it's now forgotten, what happened?
Also, there's an episode on modernized G3s, we could also have one on fals. It's another forgotten weapon, and people only talk about rhodesia when they remember the fal, but there are a lot of countries who still uses it, I think it would be cool if modernized fals become a new trend like it was the alpha ak.
The HK45 is still produced (or was until very recently) and found major success on the civilian market.
It is one of those firearms that HKnuts argue with other HKnuts about what is the best .45 that HK produced.
When you say modernized, what do you mean?
Modernization comes in two flavors:
One can change an old gun design to have new capabilities, producing entirely new guns made specifically to have those new capabilities. One "modernizes the design," rather than modernizing the guns themselves.
The other way is to take produced guns and replace old parts with new parts to change capability. One is modernizing the guns themselves.
In general, most users of the FAL have not significantly modified produced FALs to have new capabilities. FN is noted for encouraging customers to buy new-production FALs that have new features built in, rather than offering major upgrade kits for existing FALs.
Several major users of G3, conversely, have opted to actually take their old G3s and replace significant portions of the old guns with new parts intended to change capability. H&K is known for promoting modularity in their designs which facilitates post-production upgrade or modification.
@@JD-tn5lz I was curious to know specifically what happened with the hk45 in the army, the pistol met the delta requirements, why did they choose glock instead? I know that they didn't like the finger grooves, but in general, that's it.
@@genericpersonx333 With modernized I mean: add a railed dust cover, different stock, grip...not really made a new gun. Dsa makes fals with aluminum parts, and they have the same weight as a fn scar, but have a non reciprocating charging handle, and it doesn't break optics AFAIK. It would be interesting to see a comparison between a modernized fal and other rifles. Everyone likes the ARs, but some people would like to have a side charging handle and a folding stock.
It would be fascinating to see a video on the FBI's 10mm version of the HK MP5. Probably not a very long video - but it was a thing for enough time to appear in a couple of Tom Clancy books.
France makes a Tec9
I don't know why, but after the stock was removed I recognize the SMG
NICE STOCK!
As always, i leave with one bit of knowledge i did not have before. And doing it in front of the Armorer's bench, C'est Magnifique!
You are right. Those holes in the back were for the wire buttstock. That buttstock slid forward and backward. There are pictures online for the other version.
Only one of them was used for that purpose.
So... Another entry in the "Angry Pipe" series of submachine guns..
Cool. 😎
I would certainly love to see it fired, if the correct spring can be found.
Thank you , Ian .
🐺 Loupis Canis .
The "we got a Mat-49 at home"
I have a Spanish, made in Eibar SS 12 gauge shotgun which also has a red rubber recoil pad that is similarly hardened and disintegrating. I've seen other red recoil pads in similar condition, and it strikes me that I don't really know whether any rubber recoil pad that old will be in similar condition, or whether the red coloring agent is contributing the the pad's deterioration.
Ian and French guns, name a more iconic duo
Merci l'IRCGN pour donner à Ian un accès à vos stocks !
If you remove the stock, barrel and shorten the mag well a little you have the basis for a pretty cool Star Wars blaster
Thanks
You have such a singular niche on youtube, dude. Lot of people do 'let's shoot this gun' channels, but I bet they ALL watch your channel to find out about guns they never heard of.
I noticed that "STEN" spring quickly, the original would almost Shurley be a short compound spring like the springs used on a modern AK trigger group, again forward thinking!
We'll be seeing this in Enlisted pretty soon
A great very interesting video and SMG Mr.GJ.Have a good one.
Its interesting that so many pistol/sub gun mags are so similar
Overall, it looks like it would be a good submachine gun. Low costing and efficient use of materials at the time, easily maintained and repaired. A good choice for issuing to massed troops for urban use. I could see the company logic on it, for sales to former colonial countries, if the open markets were not still flooded with WW2 small arms then.
Once again I say it. Framce really went Funky with tanks, planes and small arms after ww2
Wasn't that an original spring used in a handful of Gevarm D4 purchased by Elbonia border services?
It sure looks like a budget model.
3:05 That R stends for Rafale, which is indeed Full Auto in French.
And for those who are wondering why we'd name a fighter jet Full Auto, Rafale is also a gust of wind.
French, learn 50 words, drop half of the letters and there you go. Tourist ready!
That seems more crude than some of the guns you've shown that were made under wartime conditions in a shop somewhere.
WHat an interesting and cool looking gun!
that is a cool looking weapon
Other people go through metal detectors to enter a French police station. Ian gets checked on his way out.
So early that there were no comments to read..
My OCD wants to buff that bolt into a mirror polish.
A weird but cool design. I’d like to see the folding version.
The one he disassembled is the wire stocked version
That is one heck of a buttstock. Thank you Ian for making this video.
The spring is too long, so it’s “stacking”
Small Arms Review (among others) says the D3 was the fixed stock variant.
Just a thought that might be the actual spring that goes in it that cap at the end was probably added so it wouldn't be fired or used
It looks like a prime candidate to be made into a "Star Wars" blaster.
1950’s space ranger laser beam gun
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I was really surprised at the date of this gun, it has a real Art Deco feel to the design, that swooping stock & stepped barrel shroud. The shape of that rubber shock pad looks like someone glued on the sole of a plimsoll (sandshoe/sneaker).
‘Plimsoll’ gave away ur origin!
And you ain’t wrong!
🇬🇧
Getting strong Star Wars blaster vibes, especially when the stock is off.
Ian does so much French weapon outreach that he should be on the staff at IRCGN (Institut de Recherche Criminelle de la Gendarmerie Nationale), like a Public Affairs Officer or something.
Simple but effective ❤
Good video apart from all the damn adverts, I fuckin' despise youtube
Compagnie Républicaine de Sécurité. Thanks for that vid, Ian.
Maybe the second hole was for the wire-stock sling swivel?
It’d be a nice touch to have pictures of the guns he refers to in the video.
It'd be a different approach, for sure. This is how he does it though.
I bet the wire stock folds to the top or bottom not to the side
The front hole has clear witness marks showing something pivoting having been attached on one side (left side) only. Has to be a sling swivel, no?
Looks suspiciously similar to what I built out of wood when I was 8y old... 🧐
Ian? Looking at a somewhat obscure French gun? It must be a day ending in Y.... :P
10:11 I guess it was one malfunction per 3.6 magazines :D
The hole through the fire control assembly locking pin/bar is probably for a sling for the folding-stock version, which appears to have been used. So I'm wondering if this is a mix of model parts?
Not just economical, it actually looks like polish Blyskawica with a stock :)
looks like something a bond henchman would carry or out of a comic book
Standard issue to Zeon infantry during the One Year War.
I saw one almoust identical in spanish civil war
The front sling attachment point kills me , seems it could potentially get in the way …. who knows
2:40 To be honest, the proprietary mag looks very much like a modified MP40 mag...
Could you not just ask someone at IRCGN what the hole was for? I would think they might know.
I wonder why they even bothered putting 100m sights on this piece, since barrel is barely 20cm in lenght and with respect to the way it operates (9mm fairly cheap smg) it seems almost as if this was accurate maybe up to 30-50 meters with anything hit beyond that range being prolly more of a lucky shot.
Still I'd love to see if it is true or not on range. Maybe I'd be surprised.
32 round mag? You must mean 29 round. This is CZcams remember.
Looks designed with the Elbonian market in mind.
Alot of Swedish-K vides here.. tube, barrel and heatshield.. Bolt and recoilspring..
1 malfunction every 3 mags... man, how standards have changed
It's hideous, I love it!
As a native speaker, I would be quite surprised if it wasn't pronouced "Jévarm" insted of Guévarm". You're quite probably under German influence (Gewehr) :)
A Berliner, speaking Berlin dialect would say ,Jewehr' instead of Gewehr:-)
Could the holes be cooling? Does gas escape from them?
Wouldn’t that spring or whatever isn’t original to the gun make it have a faster fire rate?
Wouldn’t that be annoying to have the sling right near the front sight? I’ve never aimed a gun with that kind of thing so I can’t say if it would bothersome
How strange, dont know if ive ever been so early to one of your vids
He already converted to french a few years ago
That's a whole lot of French plumbing and woodwork
Excellent 💯 💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥
Me: I want a Tommy gun!
Mom: We have Tommy gun at home.
Tommy gun at home:
Fueling Al Gore's Rhythm.
Those are speed holes
Looks like a child drew it
Because it’s French
LoL looks like a full auto zip gun with pistol grip and shoulder stock 🤣