This is why DC isn't doing as good as marvel they are all over the place with their univers they want a TV show put the TV show aren't allowed to use the characters name or have them portrayed as the characters mean while in the movies they can't seem to get a good script
I understand that they had the characters being used in other adaptations but it feels pointless to limit a show like this using your own characters just with different names
Like, 98% of Gotham viewers are adults I guarantee it, they aren’t idiots and can understand different adaptations. These kinds of corporate policies annoy me because they’re basically saying we the viewers are stupid and can’t tell when something is a different adaptation of a character.
This is the reason I stopped watching the show everyone knew he was the joker not referring to him as the joker was ridiculous. On top of having three different versions of the same character played by the same actor was ridiculous. But let's face it the person who had the most compelling story was the one that played as the penguin who kick started the entire show basically.
definitely cheapens things & fans roll their eyes, its theirs & everything is very obvious so why not allow it, you're just fighting with yourself your own product at that point🤦♂️
There is a video game called Jedi fallen order many Star War fans liked including me who the main character was based on his looks so that is practically chosen if it becomes a movie.
I love Cameron’s “joker” he played it so well and his scenes felt so authentic and serious. He is an amazing actor and I really hope he can officially be a joker in a Batman movie.
HE WAS AN INCREDIBLE JOKER!!! His Joker was absolutely amazing, he was almost Heath Ledger level. The Joker has now become one of the all time classic characters. The way pretentious stage actors say "I played MacBeth" is how playing the Joker will be viewed because the pedigree and performances of the actors who have played the character has been so amazing.
@@Lyc-dc7hq yeah I realized that after considering he looks almost exactly like cal kestis I thought there was no way that it was just a huge coincidence there was a actor who looked just like cal kestis
Cameron Monaghan is such an incredible and extraordinary actor that it's hard to believe that Jerome/Jeremiah and Ian Gallagher from Shameless are all played by him. His talent makes both shows all the more enjoyable and worthwhile.
Cameron monaghan is an insanely good actor. He was really good in fallen order, shameless, and the Gotham show. People tend to not realize that video game actors are actually acting. Not just talking into a mic. They have the motion capture suits and play out the whole scene.
Agreed- remember the scene where they played Roulette to see who the leader would be? That was the moment I decided he was my favorite Joker. Maybe he doesn't completely embody everything the Joker is known to be, but he was a young Joker, and people seem to forget that.
WB: He can't be Joker, because we're doing another Joker and it'll be confusing. WB a few years later: Okay, across movies and TV; we got 6 Batmen, 4 Jokers, 3 Supermen, 2 versions of the same Justice League movie, and no clear explanation as to what is canon to what universe.
He's one of the best Jokers in my eyes.He did a great job with that role,even though he wasn't allowed to be called the Joker,but pretty much was in a way...
He was my favourite joker with the staples in his face was cool as… WB don’t do separate versions of the same characters in different projects that’s why the flash movie got held back so long but I think CW HBO and WB have come to an agreement
Warner Bros: "There can't be two versions of the Joker, if so the world will implode!!!" Disney: "Yeeeeaaaah we have three versions of Spiderman and Peter Parker, two versions of Electro, two versions of The Green Goblin, Two versions of Doc Oc, two versions of The Lizard, and two versions of Sandman, we own none of those characters because nobody cares."
I love how DC banned them from using certain Joker traits, to save them for Joaquin, and then Joaquins Joker barely shared any resemblances with his namesake.
when it feels weird characters who supposed to be in the same setting/universe wtr whatnot aren't allowed to even show up. im talking bout duck tales like WAT.
@@meganmeagher7038 yeah he voiced him I think. But still if Filoni does decide to go for a Jedi: Fallen Order movie then he knows who can play Cal Kestis
Warner Bros: 2 jokers would be confusing Also Warner Bros: Have 2 cinematic versions of the joker around the same time (Leto and Phoenix), have 2 versions of The Flash at the same time, and two versions of Batman, not even to mention that they’re about to reintroduce Keaton
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Warner Bros "We can't have two Jokers. That would be too confusing."
Marvel: "K lol"
Lol i get it because the next marvel movie has 2 or 3 of the same character lol and no way home if thats what you meant
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3 shades of Thanos and cable
More like
Warner: We don’t want another Jared Leto fiasco or anything that can harm Batman’s image, so you can’t use Joker or Batman
Marvel has the same hero 3 times on the same movie lmao, and all with the same name
WB: "There can't be 2 Jokers, people would get confused"
Disney: "Here's 3 versions of Spider Man in one film, we own none of them"
You’re comments is kinda like the meme that goes
You: Yo can I copy your homework
Them: sure change it a little thoigh
You:
And 10 lokis In one episode
I’m your 333rd like and and 3rd comment 😃.
🥉 😂 👍.
Him not being named joker makes shit more confusing imo
@@awesumtoast97 *here's 10 lokis. One of them is an aligator.*
"Mickey Mouse can't be in anything that's not a Mickey Mouse show"
Kingdom Hearts: 👁👄👁
Ha I thought the same thing
"Show" not video game 😏
Roger Rabbit too
@@y.e.a.h5634 its say tv show
@@ETW_Wrestling ???
“I’m crazy enough to take on Batman, but the IRS!? Nooooo thank you!” -Joker
🤣🤣
Jokers millions I believe
Lmao XD
Now that's some funny s***
How the fuck would that confuse us we’re literally comic book nerds. And there were two flashes at the same time
It's just bullshit man. Weak ass excuse because they didn't want to take away the spotlight from their movie. Afraid to lose dollars.
That will only confused people that are none comic book reader
This is why DC isn't doing as good as marvel they are all over the place with their univers they want a TV show put the TV show aren't allowed to use the characters name or have them portrayed as the characters mean while in the movies they can't seem to get a good script
@@thisisusandourlife4175 Yeah, you're right, i mean to be fair, so far, DC has been doing good, but at first, they were a whole mess
I think it has more to do with money- people are less like to check out *both* jokers if they’re out at the same time
Cameron was the most Mark Hamill Joker to ever be seen in live action
His pretty much mark's protégé he played joker and a jedi
I know he apparently took insperation from Ledger and Hamill, so makes sense
But he also brought his own take. His reveal showed how bitter and callous he could be. "I could stand a whore, but a LYING whore?"
@@princeali4157 he felt like the perfect Comic joker on screen, enough goofiness and enough fear and crazy
Not even close but okay
I understand that they had the characters being used in other adaptations but it feels pointless to limit a show like this using your own characters just with different names
Like, 98% of Gotham viewers are adults I guarantee it, they aren’t idiots and can understand different adaptations. These kinds of corporate policies annoy me because they’re basically saying we the viewers are stupid and can’t tell when something is a different adaptation of a character.
This is the reason I stopped watching the show everyone knew he was the joker not referring to him as the joker was ridiculous. On top of having three different versions of the same character played by the same actor was ridiculous. But let's face it the person who had the most compelling story was the one that played as the penguin who kick started the entire show basically.
@Michael Kiely Damn? People really think that?
definitely cheapens things & fans roll their eyes, its theirs & everything is very obvious so why not allow it, you're just fighting with yourself your own product at that point🤦♂️
@Michael Kiely but anyone & everyone can be bruce wayne/batman, wb SUCKS! DUMB!
Cameron was such a great Jerome and Jeremiah, especially his Jerome which was basically as the most comic accurate Joker we've gotten.
He was such a good actor in gotham I hope he plays joker in the future
Jerome and Jeremiah didn’t even feel like the same actor, he did a really good job
Most of the time I forgot they were the same actor, he is really talented
He was the Joker just he wasn't called the Joker
Jerome was one of the best jokers, but Jeremiah was one of the worst.
There is a video game called Jedi fallen order many Star War fans liked including me who the main character was based on his looks so that is practically chosen if it becomes a movie.
He is way too underrated, and he did great in Jedi fallen order
He’s played so many good characters he even was in a Star Wars game
I loved Fallen Order, that game is FANTASTIC
Oh shit that is him ain’t it lol
@@TURBO-LOglo yessir lol
I hope that he will appear in the Obi wan series
@@hartleeroy197 that's what I was hoping or Mando or something.
I love Cameron’s “joker” he played it so well and his scenes felt so authentic and serious. He is an amazing actor and I really hope he can officially be a joker in a Batman movie.
And Cameron's Joker is the most underrated, unappreciated and actually most comic accurate version so far.. he gives flashbacks of Mark Hamil's Joker
He can't be called The joker but he certainly can be counted amongst some of the greatest actors who played them.
MAN, this show WAS LIT! And every character was GREAT!!! 🥺
He’s still one of my favorite jokers,
Exactly
HE WAS AN INCREDIBLE JOKER!!!
His Joker was absolutely amazing, he was almost Heath Ledger level.
The Joker has now become one of the all time classic characters. The way pretentious stage actors say "I played MacBeth" is how playing the Joker will be viewed because the pedigree and performances of the actors who have played the character has been so amazing.
We aren't stupid we can tell the difference , honestly that's some bs
Completely. Corporations are always so out of touch and ruin everything.
Jerome was one of the better jokers that we’ve had
He was good too. I mean he played both characters to perfection
One of the best jokers by far he was really good
Dude should play Cal Kestis in the Star Wars movies and shows if he ever appears
He already does, he is the model for kal
@@Lyc-dc7hq yeah I realized that after considering he looks almost exactly like cal kestis I thought there was no way that it was just a huge coincidence there was a actor who looked just like cal kestis
They say they can’t have two jokers to prevent confusion but they just introduced another one in The Batman
He was better than the original joker. I loved every part of him and his acting.
Cameron Monaghan is such an incredible and extraordinary actor that it's hard to believe that Jerome/Jeremiah and Ian Gallagher from Shameless are all played by him. His talent makes both shows all the more enjoyable and worthwhile.
Never watched Gotham but I’ve watched scenes with Cameron and I’ll admit he fits the idea of the character perfect ,all it’s missing is the title
Cameron Monaghan is the best live action Joker hands down. Best animated Joker ofc goes to Mark Hamill.
Well he decided to say "fuck all this" and became a Jedi
Omg I forgot how much I loved Jerome. He was such a good Joker even if he wasn't the Joker. I loved that whole series so much
Cameron monaghan is an insanely good actor. He was really good in fallen order, shameless, and the Gotham show. People tend to not realize that video game actors are actually acting. Not just talking into a mic. They have the motion capture suits and play out the whole scene.
One of the best portrayals of all time imo.
He deserves to officially be joker
Best live action joker. Hopefully he gets to actually play “Joker” some day
JEROME VALESKA IS THE BEST JOKER
He was really good in Gotham I really wished we could have seen more of him as the joker with an adult Bruce
Absolutely loved his portray of joker, definitely one of the best
Not having him be called Joker just made it more confusing.
Warners Brothers has a multiverse in their pocket and they just literally don’t use it
When you said "Even the Joker can't beat corporate policy", I heard Mark Hamill's Joker in my imagination say "Corporate policy?!"
He did an amazing job, and yes he was 100% the joker in Gotham.
WB: “Nooo we can’t have 2 Jokers, thats too much!!”
Spider-Man Into the Spider-Verse: 👁👄👁
I loved this guys work on Jedi Fallen Order. Cal has become one of my favorite characters
My boi basically plays as joker and a jedi named cal kestis. I remember seeing him in up as a little kid, crazy how much of a growth actors can have.
crazy he portrayed 3 different versions of Joker, and he portrayed them nicely
He’d make a perfect live action cal Kestis
He IS Cal
Cant wait to see Cameron play a live action Cal Kestis. Dude is a great actor
DC: We can't have two Jokers at the same time
Also DC: Lol here's seen different Batmen in 4 years
He was amazing and so unique!! Both times xD
He done brilliantly in that show.
I've learned so much in only 58 seconds... That deserves a sub.
Cameron is actually my favorite Joker, and should he ever get the chance to play this role without restriction WB would be given all of my investment.
The Joker is force sensitive.
Cameron's Joker is the best one since the Nolan's Batman trilogy
Agreed- remember the scene where they played Roulette to see who the leader would be? That was the moment I decided he was my favorite Joker.
Maybe he doesn't completely embody everything the Joker is known to be, but he was a young Joker, and people seem to forget that.
WB: He can't be Joker, because we're doing another Joker and it'll be confusing.
WB a few years later: Okay, across movies and TV; we got 6 Batmen, 4 Jokers, 3 Supermen, 2 versions of the same Justice League movie, and no clear explanation as to what is canon to what universe.
wb: "no more than one joker"
also wb: creates 3 jokers in 6 years
The joker movie was never a thought when Gotham aired. WB has a history of not letting some DC CHARACTERS be mentioned in their series.
The Cult of Jerome was already starting out in Gotham when Jared Leto's Joker appeared in Suicide Squad.
He's one of the best Jokers in my eyes.He did a great job with that role,even though he wasn't allowed to be called the Joker,but pretty much was in a way...
He was my favourite joker with the staples in his face was cool as… WB don’t do separate versions of the same characters in different projects that’s why the flash movie got held back so long but I think CW HBO and WB have come to an agreement
I love how they didn’t want him called the joker to avoid confusion, and then dc has like 50 different universes and all of them intertwine at points
I would also love to see him play Cal Kestis in a live action movie or show
That’s so hilariously ironic. The ultimate anarchist still can’t beat corporate America.
I thought the force was strong in him.
He's Litterally The 3rd Best Person to Play "the Joker" Aside from Heath Ledger and Joaquin Phoenix
The actor is seriously good
Loved him In the star wars game probably the best star wars game outside of KOTOR
Wish to see him play as Cal Kestis in a live action stars wars film or show
He's also Kal kestis in fallen order. There's a weird habit of jokers being jedi and jedi being jokers.
Warner Bros: "There can't be two versions of the Joker, if so the world will implode!!!"
Disney: "Yeeeeaaaah we have three versions of Spiderman and Peter Parker, two versions of Electro, two versions of The Green Goblin, Two versions of Doc Oc, two versions of The Lizard, and two versions of Sandman, we own none of those characters because nobody cares."
Another example was that Wanda from avengers wasn’t allowed to be called Scarlet Witch because Fox owned the name.
I love how DC banned them from using certain Joker traits, to save them for Joaquin, and then Joaquins Joker barely shared any resemblances with his namesake.
it’s sad bcz cameron monaghan really nailed it with his acting talent
It’s almost insulting how little corporate entities believe we can comprehend.
when it feels weird characters who supposed to be in the same setting/universe wtr whatnot aren't allowed to even show up.
im talking bout duck tales like WAT.
Warner Bros. "We can't have 2 jokers at once"
Also Warner Bros. "Let's have 3 Batmen at once"
I like how he was basically Joker twice and yet wasn't Joker once
The joker knows his limits, that's why every year he files his tax report
That reference
Loved him in Shameless!
One of the most iconic Jokers can’t even be called Joker 🃏 Thats just WB being WB
“It would be too confusing” shows that Warner Brothers thinks the fans are idiots
Even mark hamill Praised his performance.
Cameron would make a killer Cal Kestis for a Jedi: Fallen order movie
Didn’t he play him in the video game
@@meganmeagher7038 yeah he voiced him I think. But still if Filoni does decide to go for a Jedi: Fallen Order movie then he knows who can play Cal Kestis
@@Charcharbink he also is the face too 💀
@@Charcharbink he also made Cal's motion capturing for the game
Yeah by that logic they should use that guy from green lantern to play as Deadpool he would make a great deadpool huh ? 🤦
This guy is the best joker I've ever seen
In other words, they think we're too stupid to tell the difference between two versions
he looks like cal from the star wars game 😭
He is. Hes the voice and face.
“Call me Jack. No Jake. James, J whatever!”
It was so close but so far.
Well Fallen Order got approved for a live action series, so we’ll see Cal Kestus soon!!!
I wish
He was also an excellent Jedi
He should be casted in the Batman
Tbh, he is one of the best Jokers. Hell I could even say he's the second best.
Warner Bros: 2 jokers would be confusing
Also Warner Bros: Have 2 cinematic versions of the joker around the same time (Leto and Phoenix), have 2 versions of The Flash at the same time, and two versions of Batman, not even to mention that they’re about to reintroduce Keaton
Ahh I never realized cal from star wars fallen order also played the joker
Crazy how he and Mark Hamill have similarities. Both were Joker, and both were Jedi.
I call him the Joker, deal with it Warner Bros
Bro he is the best Joker!
He played the Arkham joker so well
And stole the show bc he’s that good🙌
He really makes a perfect modern day, physcopath joker.
And a classic joker as well
He was the best joker fr
He’s one of the best Jokers I’ve ever seen. Honestly, there were times I get bored of Gotham but when he comes I root for him lol
Some of Jerome’s texts in subtitles showed his name as joker
“No hair at all.”
(shows a picture of Joker with long, green hair)