Witch Sesh | 4-Sided Dive | Episode 22: Discussing Up To C3E90
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Ashley Johnson, Liam O’Brien, Laura Bailey, and Marisha Ray fill us in on their latest Ruidus discoveries, discuss character dynamics, and pull questions from the Tower or Inquiry!
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Matt asking Marisha if the game was fun and engaging every week makes me feel validated as a self conscious DM
30+ year GM. It is not self conscious, it is required feedback to make your games better. Some games are good, some are filler, some are great. We live for the GREAT ones.
@@davidbeppler3032 this feels like projection because those reasons arent mutually exclusive at all. i know that for my DMing i ask questions frequently because i really want to improve, but its also because i have crippling anxiety about my DMing quality and players enjoyment. for matt it very well could be both.
I used to be very self-conscious when asking that question but at this point I've now grown more confidence that the question is now just making sure the game is running smoothly for folks on the other side and if there's any tips and pointers I need to take to adjust the experience
We can always grow.
In my group, I always ask my players after a session, and one of my players who’s our other DM for their own campaign always asks after a session too.
Don’t worry, you’re not alone. 💖
I just noticed this episode is Marisha and all her character's partners from each campaign!
Ah, that moment when the polycule all go for drinks and dinner 😊
Marisha's Harem is now my head canon for everything. She's the anime protagonist.
@@meebabeebadeembadeemdam6787 Between Marisha and Laura, they've romanced all other cast members EXCEPT for Sam so far, but you can bridge from Laura (Jester) to Travis (Fjord/Chetney) to Aabria (Deanna/Laerryn) and you get to Sam (Loquatius)... and im sure i'm missing a link to Matt somewhere
@thesukeneko the Matt link trancends the table
@@thesukenekoyou’re missing Pike/Scanlan, which is arguably an easier link.
You can't convince me Sam writes the scripts. That would require him to know the Lore of the Campaign.
Sam just writes the jokes.
I really hope he never learns the law as i think he brings an unguardedness spontaneity and fun to the play
Him not knowing the lore is just a bit. Danny Carr is actually just Sam's alter-ego 😮
Okay, to be fair to the "Predathos is the Mother of Gods" theory, there is historic precedence! Kronos, who fathered the Greek gods, did literally eat his children to prevent them from usurping him. Whether or not this is the case in Exandria, we don't really know, but it is believable.
I was thinking the same thing. It makes sense.
For a moment, I thought it could be a Gaia-esque figure or ultimate primordial who became very angry that those other powerful beings are messing up their planet. More than likely not but theorizing is fun.
24:00 The way Omar immediately perked up from sleepy mode when he heard Sprigg. True friendship indeed haha
And also when he hears "my boy" 1:37:18
i would genuinely say Liam/Orym is an honorary witch. he was with Ashley/Fearne from the beginning, and has always supported the three. plus he's a lil fae in every sense heehoo
And now he’s got some fae magic courtesy of Nana Mori! Def a lil witch man now~
Ashari Shaman?
gay best friend cliche
I can't stop thinking about putting all of Travis' characters in an escape room.
The thought of Fjord trying to keep it together with Grog smashing stuff and Chet... being Chet.
Don't forget Bertrand XD
@@EruditeRavenclaw Just standing in the corner with a brandy, yelling encouragements or sleeping
I feel like Chetney would slay in an escape room
Cerrit would just see everything in the room with a single investigation check 😂
Cerrit would for sure be the Game Master voice providing hints when necessary@@awkwardsprout42
Dont think this will ever reach Marisha but Laudna's insecurity "what if i am a burden" moment was REALLY important to me, because i've been there mentally so many times, despite having a partner that would never want me nor make me feel that way, but that's just how the brain works sometimes~ and being able to hear Laudna say that and wanting to shout at the screen "nooo you are not a burden, you are there for Imogen and you support her with all your love, and you have your own problems and demons to face, but those are separate things, and she chose you KNOWING those things were part of the deal, so no, you are NOT a burden" and immediately, internally going like "oh.... oh... shit... ok, yeah, i see it" was a really healing moment for me, and great ammo for when those intrusive thoughts take over, now i can tell myself not to Laudna it
YES! That scene was so healing.
Kinda related but I saw fan art that compared Laudna’s “I’m tethering you down and keeping you from reaching new heights” to Fearne taking Ashton’s hand and saying “don’t let me float away.” Obviously the dynamics and situations are a little different, but it’s a refreshing perspective.
I think everyone's forgotten that FRIDA had memories of an Aorean Maleus Key. With Ludinus' obsession with Aeor and The Raven Queen's name (struck from history by the Tree of Names?), it's very possible those are chunks of Maleus Key A.1
Struck from history when she ascended, prior to calamity, confirmed in EXU:C in discussion of Patia knowing her prior to ascension. It's part of the process of becoming a god, I think.
Yes, I think it's very possible the founders of Ruidus had Aorean-like technology when Ruidus was created. I also wonder if there are any Beacons on Ruidus, too!
I think Aeor didn't make a weapon that could harm the gods, but something that could release Predathos in order to indirectly harm them
Wasn't it a similar bit different device with an unclear purpose?
1:12:22
Laura: I don’t.. Fuck
Ashley: Yes You Do
Lol
I love that Laura didn't clock it, but you know Liam did!
that gave me a boner to think about
The best Ashley and Liam Sidebar
The idea of Predathos chasing the gods and being the literal embodiment of " I brought you into this world, I can take you out again" is f-ing hilarious! 😂
Also all of them not calling Gona gonads was a real missed opportunity. 😶
Came here for this comment! Predathos, Mother of (All the) Gods! 😂
Maybe she pulled a Kronos and was eating them until a stop was put to it?@@henkmalan13
Let Matt have one name they could ruin but don't 😅
Dani isn't just a member of Critical Role, she's the REmember of Critical Role
😂😂😂
Perfect timing for where I am in the rewatch
nice!
lol Nice! 🙂
Dani is amazing, Dani is invaluable as a Lore Master. CR would not be what it is without her.
That said, the less screen time she has, the better for the show. For reasons.
Dani poking out behind the table living her best life as a little gremolin is sending me💜
4 sided dive episode 22: Marisha ray and her dnd campaign love interests 😊
Missing Sam still
Re; Escape Room Trio, I'd like to point out that all three of Marisha's characters can fully do an Exandrian escape room, and do know each other
I happened to noticed this and it made me chuckle:
1:29:51 "I feel Travis is trying on my glasses because they are so wide they fall off my face"
1:30:28 Immediately stretches them over her leg
1:42:50 Fern would have to solo the room because Pike and Yasha would be Blindside-d by a holy mission and not even show up...
Well, Dani confirmed she reads the comments soo; Love ya Dani!
That massive ant colony Liam was talking about is truly insane. They dumped in 10 TONS of cement over 3 DAYS to fill it and after a month they dug it up and it was an area of around 50 sq meters, and down 8 meters into the ground. MIND BLOWING
Ants are an incredible animal. The giant underground colonies is just one of many incredible things about them.
@@twothirdsanexplosive agreed
@@twothirdsanexplosivethey also outnumber all mammals and birds combined. For every human being on the planet there are 2,500,000 ants, somewhere in the neighborhood of 20 quadrillion aka 20,000,000,000,000,000 total.
27:18 “Well what-okay. What if it was like, the area where Aeor was-shut up Laura.” 😂
WITCHES NIGHT and Liam
Ashley taking a break to research the H2O tv show and Aquamarine movie has me dying of laughter 😂 I love her so much
Lmao the setup and punchline for the typo joke was stupid good😂
I am genuinely glad to hear I wasn't the only one hearing Jack Black saying "There, the Crevasse!" everytime Matt mentioned the city
Fill it!
Pretty sure the style Laura is talking about is mori kei. The closest in English would probably be cottage-core, but that is still a very different aestetic.
I was thinking of mori-kei as well! 1:31:15, in case anyone is wondering.
But yeah, mori-kei absolutely fits the bill for what she's describing and what her character was wearing. Such a cute and neat style of fashion! ♥
I felt Ashley’s pain when no one understood what she was talking about with Aquamarine and JoJo 😭
I like Laura as tavern keeper, has she ever been one before? This feels fresh somehow
I think its her second time ❤
Laura is an absolute icon
FYI: being able to train a lizard to do trick depends on which lizard you get. Joseph Carter the Mink Man (on CZcams) was working with an argus monitor named Raptor in his extermination work. Granted, an Argus monitor isn't for everyone.
Oh no the next 4 sided dive will be depressing as hell 😢
Especially after 19:40
“Because most tabletop characters, at least that I make, parents are dead or they’re an orphan.”
It’s interesting to me that many people seem to think, they have less to think about their characters past if they take the orphan trope. Because I think it’s the opposite. For me saying “My character is an orphan” is basically saying “Other people than my biological parents raised me, now let me tell you all about them! And how they made my character who they are right now.”
And at least for me, Taliesin did that masterfully with Ashton. He gave us the Greymore orphanage, he gave us the Nobodys and he gave us the Krook House. And I just love Milo, they’re great.
Travis did okay-ish with Fjord. We got some stories about how hard growing us in the orphanage was and the got Vandran. But even that was already slim for my taste.
Sadly Ashley did fall far behind with Yasha, which is why - while I love Yasha as a character - I never got invested in her story all too much. Of cause everything with Zuala was beautiful, but I wanted more.
Late to the party, but you can absolutely teach a lizard tricks it just takes time and patience much like cats.
There are tegus as well as bearded dragons that come when called and they can be quite cat or dog like. I will say though getting a kid a lizard do in depth research especially since they live for about 20 years.
Lastly King Charles are notorious for dying young due to heart issues as well as have poor blood panels.
Just be wary~
Sincerely a retired vet tech
1:37:00
"It's hard to top.. your Dad"
-Marisha 2024
I do these quotes with love, I swear.
01:37:41 is I believe closer to the time 😅💜
@@hunterpowers2568 Thanks, I paused after and just took a rough guess rather than go back and time it right.
I'd say the portal to the bottom of the lake is nothing more exciting than a water supply for whatever ruined city got scooped up in the gobstopper imprisoning Pradathos.
ok, but to un-undead Laudna, maybe they can do the Veth transformation spell, like when they beat Ludinus, they can try and get Caleb's (and Essek's) help to make Laudna not dead again because taking down the cerberus assembly
I am actually curious on the mechanics around hollow ones. True resurrection works on sentient undead so would it restore a hollow one to true life?
Laudna's in Delilah denial. Say that 10 times fast.
There's a reason I now call Marisha's character Delaudna.
@@samuraiko i say the same thing! i feel like since she killed the Willmaster she's been Delaudna
Timestamps
2:51 - Start
3:02 - What’s Up with That
52:55 - The Deep Dive
I have to admit Bell’s Hells “Wacky Adventures on Rudis” have been my favorite episodes of the Campaign so far.
any episode with Omar is a 10/10
i thought it was Liliana being horrified at the deaths of so many cause of Ira's bombs and she was asking if Imogen knew that so many would die, but also did Imogen know they were gonna try and kill her.
I like this!
Yeah, and didn't the voice only sound in the minds of the ruidus born? And didn't Reshina tell them she wasn't a psychic? Not all reilorans are.
@@BigBadWolframio The scream was definitely just in the ruidus minds but I'm not sure about the "did she know?"
@@davidjennings2179 That's how I understood it, but it is true that it's not as cut and clear as the scream.
@@BigBadWolframio It's cleared up at the start of episode 91 - to avoid spoilers I won't say more.
It delights me to no end how each of these ends up reflecting the personality of whoever hosts that week
This intro is everything! Bet it's gonna be a great Shoe!
I love how Ashley's mind works. Maybe Predathos isn't a concrete thing, but an idea (atheism?) made manifest or something. Talk about thinking outside the box.
That's great, actually. The gods eater is the god of atheism, independence and rebellion. Problem is Ludinus is evil AF
@@boniakarlo"God of atheism"...talk about a contradiction in terms. Weird how religiosity, even unconsciously at time, so fundamentally misunderstands what atheism is and tries to put it in the "belief system" box.
So like a personification of an idea or concept. Like how Eros or Cupid isn’t the god of love but a personification and Thanatos is the Greek personification of death, Predathos might just be the personification of something like atheism or a personification of something like the concept of anarchy or hate of things like masters. But if that’s true I wonder how one would simplify the title for that personification because as mentioned previously atheism isn’t really a religion.
@@boniakarlo omg and that's why he would be called god eater, not literally but in a metaphorical sense
@@persephonethereaper6938 All the exandrian gods are the personifications of either man made concepts, or natural forces. Kord is the physical representation of Storms, War, and Honor. Pelor is the Sun, Justice, and Agriculture. Ioun is Knowledge. The Wildmother is nature. Arathis is civilizations. The same goes for every god, they represent their domains.
There IS an episode of either C3 or Exandria, where Fearn transformed into a fish (the first time!) and swam into a fountain’s source and emerged into the elemental plane of water.
C3 - That was the swamp town they mentioned (can't remember name). Also where BH looked into a telescope to see a city on Ruidis and where they were tasked to test the security of that collector guy (competing against a group of NPCs).
She was a frog
Cantrip: Guidance
Imagine being better at just everything (except combat).
Liam: "Thought Eater really flew under his radar."
Matt at home: "...Fuck."
I didn't quite get that. Is the name a joke or a reference to something?
please explain for a non-native speaker
I've spoke English most of my life and I'm also confused... pls explain someone I wanna get this joke!
I'm so glad I'm not the only one that does not get the joke. Am I too much of An Old or is it possibly an LA thing?
@@kagemarunl I didn't get at all it until I heard Liam pronounce it 'Thahhhht' Eater. Fart Eater.
I know that she may never see this, but Ashley Johnson is literally my transition goals. Literally one of my role models in terms of strength and character. Thanks for all you do Ashley.
She’s certainly a good one~
The world needs more people like Ashely Johnson! Do it!
hell yeah!!! ♥
I would love for them to visit or even just an intro from matt talking about the Silken Squall and the Silver Silt Palace. Matts descriptions of cities are SO epic.... just describe them like you do.
I'm here from the episode airing on 4/11/23. This is innocent
Smiley day
@@hansonrowe234 To soon.
Ashley: "No, wait, I know where you're going with this!!"
That's good, because even Laura doesn't know where she's going with this.
Did the emergence of the Weave Mind coincide with the attempts of Ludinus trying to use previous Solstices? I feel like that's the connection, not the Calamity or creation of Ruidus
I wonder if the scream Imogen and Fearne heard was Lilliana casting Psychic Scream at the assassination attempt, and indeed Rashina specifically communicating to both Ruidius born in the party asking if Lilliana knew?
The way Omar's head turned in response to hearing Marisha saying, "My Boy!" Omg.... 😭 adorable!!!!
That last question 😂
Vax, Caleb and Orym are definitely winning first place.
And I think Beau would ensure a second place. Where would we place the rest?
Grog, Fjord, Bertrand, Chetney
Scanlan, Taryon, Nott/Veth, FCG
Percy, Molly/Kingsley, Caduceus
Putting TARY AND VETH under Grog and Bertrand is crazy😭😭
@LazyTitan72 wasn't in order; was a general inquiry
@@cobaltsable1800 OHHHH i see that now my bad. i thought you asked the question and then gave your own take.
I literally didn't want this to end 🤣 love the witches and Liam
When you think you escaped the canned bits, they pull you back into the bits.
I loved the Escape Roome Question
H20 is a really fun mermaid show
It was my childhood! I can't believe they don't know it lmao. Probably a different generation.
I love H2O
I don't know why, but every time I picture Predathos, I picture them as this massive squirrel curled up and sleeping.
The next 4 Sided Dive is gonna be crazy cuz of tonight’s game. If you know you know 😢
Soo good tho!
When do we get the ladies night BG3 character gen? :)
Laura could get Ronin a Tengu Lizard! It’s the doggy of the lizard world
Win win!
The problem with that is that the lizard would be turned into a living dragon mini for the table. That's what I did with my Bearded Dragon.
Really loved this episode :D
I guess we'll see tomorrow just how bad Imogen fucked up by warning Lilliana.
eeeeeeeeeeeeee *hophophop* excited scared excited scared
The Rashinna/Lilianna cliffhanger discussion was my favorite for sure because I personally was on Laura’s side at the end of the episode but then as soon as Liam made his first point I had the revelation that Laura had shortly after too and now…. Well I fear I agree with the consensus
I’m putting my theory in the reply so not to spoil things!!
I personally thought it was Lilianna screaming “Did She Know?” To Imogen with the She being “Did [Rashinna] know [the recruits and I were here?]” OR
She was screaming to all the ruidusborn, specifically ones like Otohan “Did [Imogen] know [I was going to be attacked]”
I think what happened is Rashinna and Gaz sieged the place and killed all the recruits first because I think the party mentioned / the Volition is aware of the threat of recruits exalting on the spot- so they “defused the bombs” first. Then Lilianna freaked out and went all Homelander on them since the only people left are dying recruits and the people attacking her so she started doing some AoE stuff. So, personally, before the dive I thought it was pretty much a half win where the volition still weakened the Ruby Vanguard but didn’t get the target- and it’s just Lilianna being upset that she got ambushed and lost her surrogate “Imogens” since I still think Liliana has maternal instincts behind her delusion/trauma/Stockholm-y vibes. So she’s displacing that into the recruits and seeing them die was probably evocative of what she imagines could happen to Imogen if/when they reunite
@@TyrannoLime My thought (so excited to see tonight, eeeee!) is that the Volition bombed the music hall to try and hit Liliana, may have known about the kids in there, maybe not, I can see bombing it without knowing and I can see Rashinna making the cold calculation to hit it with the kids inside for the sake of long-term tactics (per your theory about defusing exaltant bombs). I'm really hoping it was a bomb that they set and left because that'd strengthen the odds of us still having Gaz with us >.>
I'm 99% sure that it was Liliana growling "DID SHE KNOW" in reference to Imogen knowing that they were about to bomb the music hall with Liliana in it *but* more importantly with the kids in it (the kids who she did mention to Imogen in their dream talk the night before, the kids who are 100% dead nao).
To which the answer is... Imogen knew kinda but not really. The Volition said they were doing an assassination mission, which implies a surgical strike - there was no implication of a scattershot bomb attack that might sweep minors up into the death count. Not that I remember, anyway. The most we heard about mass attack tactics was that Ruidusborn/telepath EMP thing that would 'neutralize' such people for, like, a round while the Volition did their thing.
Buuuuut... people have pointed out that Imogen went nuclear and flattened a neighborhood in a situation of dire stress, maybe Liliana did the same during a targeted assassination and became the bomb that wiped out the kids. Possibilities, possibilities! Why isn't it Thursday night yet! XD I wanna know!
Dani needs a permanent seat on 4sd. Stop hiding her behind the counter
I get the sense that's her choice. I'm sure they would have given her the host seat if she wanted it.
Noooo I like her poppin up like a lil meercat to "ummmmm, actually"
My immediate thoughts for cantrips were also druid craft, prestidigitation, and mending just because they're so practical. But I also think it'd be super interesting to have something like vicious mockery, spare the dying, or minor illusion.
**SPOILERS EP 91**
Marisha referring to the explosion: "I thought FCG was gonna die"
Critters after last night: 😬😬😬
The Monday crew now assuming fcg is dead
@@davidjennings2179 😬😬
Dani!! Your laugh is so wonderful!!! Your cackle around 35:00 was 💅
51:20 I think about the folding halls of Halas. So it would be fun to see them play like an investigation team or something delving into it. Like a miniseries. 51:38 and the shattered teeth! Could we do a mermaid/shattered teeth campaign? Pllleeease
I firmly believe that Ludinus learned about Predathos a long freaking time ago (like pre Calamity at least). He somehow helped or used the early Calamity events to try and get beyond the gate of Ruidus since the Initial attack was during an apogee solstice. After the Hammer in Aeor failed and the city fell, he has been scheming on how to get to Ruidus. He continued his experiments in Molayesmir which started the corruption of the Savalir Wood. After that he decided to ""lay low" and gain influence and power by working his way into the Empire and helping establish the Cerberus assembly.
At some point during all of this I believe he learned (or maybe remembered) something pre calamity about Predathos or just a diety in the moon.
I go back and forth of whether he just has a God complex or of he truly has personal beef with the RQ. Either way he has been scheming and working towards this solstice. I think between the attempted ascension of The Whispered One and the events of M9 doscovering more on the ruins of Aeor he found more info. I wonder if he maybe just caught the eye of the weave mind during that time and made some sort of deal.
I mean he has now had 7 years of being able to export items from Aeor (between prison sentences).
The other really crazy thought is that Ludinus was living on the chunk of Exandria that became Ruidus as a memeber of the order that eventually became the weavemind so he has done all of this as revenge and thats also why he has lived so long ( he is using the same magic to extend his life).
No one gonna say Ashley dressed like Garth from Wane's World and I love her for it.
Omar and Sprigg Playdate Content please
I really liked daggerheart I watched it like three times.
29:14 This part is so good.
I've really come to enjoy the new critical role talk show. It's a really cool thing to not have a central host. They all feel so comfortable talking here. I hope they keep making the show more fun and silly it's a good vibe.
AND ALSO Liam, ah yes, my favourite of the Liams XD
So excited to see what lunacy Matt has in store
Ngl, I'm loving the passive aggressive remarks lmao
When I watched that episode I swear Matt said it looked like Imogen burst through the building and was floating
Can we talk about how freaking COOL all their mugs are?!🤩
Ladies if you put your glasses on top of your head while they’re still behind your ears you’ll stretch them out like that. Scoop them into your hair like a tiara instead and it can help avoid that stretch.
Listening to this after the episode that comes after it just hurts on so many levels. And yes, I'm avoiding spoilers.
My little niece (10) and I made her very first ttrpg character in daggerheart it is such a fantastic character creation system. SO MUCH BACKSTORY, her wildbourne fairy (preying mantis themed) ranger was so much fun she just kept pinging off the questions building an epic story about stolen sacred lollies from the lollie tree by some no good thieving ribbit (my character).
Any time that the Calamity is mentioned since they met Evontra'vir I can't stop thinking about who (as in what druid) the Tree of names was.
1:10:49 the blood on the note😂😂😂
Liam: "Matt doesn't typically like to subvert our expectations... Yea he's pretty safe."
Assuming Matt sees this. How long until we see repercussions from this statement?
H2O was an Australian mermaid show that is unrelated to Aquamarine as far as I know. The sequel of H2O was Mako Mermaids and lemme tell you those were my love to hate shows growing up. Just pure nonsense but enjoyable as hell.
I was obsessed with H20 when I was kid. Absolutely loved it. Rikki was my favourite character and I had a little bit of a crush on Cariba Heine. Honestly, I loved all those australian teen shows. Dance Academy was also a big one.
laura caught onto my predathos headcannon. predathos is the mother of the gods was something i thought last session. i wonder if predathos is mom and the luxon is dad, or the other way around. the luxon is mom and predathos is dad and like what if the gods split up one parent (luxon) and trapped the other (predathos) because it was mad about what they did to their spouse. its cosmic family drama and nobody can tell me any different.
That's pretty much the Aztec creation with Tiamat and her husband
niiiice
52:30 Ashley singing that Jojo song just unlocked a memory that was buried SO DEEP in my brain, holy hell 🤯
I feel like Ira could have totally ditched Fearne, Ashton, and FCG, but he didn’t and totally saved Ashton from being held by the big Rylorin and Fearne with the Wall of Force and Dimension Door. It’s kind of nice to know that maybe, just a little bit, he cares.
1:30:58 for anyone interested, is mori-kei, "forest style"
I know the next episode was streamed but I am still behind. My argument against Rashinna The Golden Hammer wouldve been:
"How are we supposed to build a relationship based on trust when we completed your tasks, rescued your people, and even forewarned you against the assassination attempt fully letting you know of its more probable failure. Golden Hammer, with full respect for your status and leadership, you are the one unable to grasp these aspects. We sacrificed our lives for you, were successful on both accounts, and even attempted to save multiple lives, at the very least, try to persuade you to rethink your approach against LILIANA. This is your own doing. And yet here we stand, ready to give the Volition our lives again."
Just my own brain thoughts of if Rashinna was the voice in the Ruidus-born's mind palace
1:12:09 Dani basically saying "BITCH I'M STILL HERE!" to all the haters is the best ❤
Hope the crash pad is a soft landing back there. Please don't hurt yourself 😅
34:40 Dani's smug, shit eating smirk just popping out from under the bar has made my month.
So excited for the retunr of unsolved myrders. May have an episode about my alma mater, current school, and employer!
Also. Orym is the Lancer. He is 100% a Lancer.
I think in the assassination attempt, something went wrong, and all of the innocent children died, and Liliana was pissed and thought that Imogen was responsible and knew they were gonna kill all the innocent kids. So the “Did she know” was for all the innocents that died. Because of that there’s no turning her back now!
So the foreshadowing of this episode breaks my heart
Corgdothos
“Hey what the fuck is up with that?” fits with the victory fanfare from Final Fantasy
"A bug, a monkey, a mushroom, and a frog" comes dangerously close to describing a D&D party I'm in, hah!