SSO: Plagiarising and why do people steal work?
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- čas přidán 28. 06. 2024
- So, some of my work got plagiarised, and in the process of making this video, I learned it's a bigger issue than i initially thought. Today we're covering my and Eleanor Nightwalker's stories.
ELEANOR NIGHTWALKER: / @eleanornightwalker
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0:00 - Introduction
02:21 - What is plagiarism?
03:10 - What is the effect of having your work stolen?
5:01 - Why do people plagiarise?
5:56 - Why are people reluctant to speak up?
7:32 - Spelcastor
12:59 - Star Stable Adventures - Hry
REMINDER: Do not harass or attack spelcastor or Star Stable Adventures. Although I made it clear in the video, it always bears repeating.
Thank you to Eleanor Nightwalker for joining me for this video! Please be sure to check out her channel for theories and fun playthroughs!: www.youtube.com/@eleanornightwalker
Also, due to an error on my part, I kicked out all my ko-fi supporter names for this video! My apologies! Supporters are:
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Thank you! ♥
@@whitescarstoneclan165 What is the sense in stealing content and not admitting you did so?
Rattle has no control over what their fans do. But Rattle and Eleanor still have full right to defend themselves and protect their hard work. You cannot blame them for the poor actions of a few.@@whitescarstoneclan165
They have ALL right to speak up about something like this, why should they stay quiet when their work has been literally plagiarized?
I noticed that spelcastor actually deleted your comment
@@banca7576 they deleted all there videos and started a new channel
In these situations there's only one thing to remember: if they are old enough to own a youtube channel and roam on internet, then they understand the concept of stealing and know it's bad, that it could hurt the victim. They are doing that fully conscious that they cause trouble and hurt someone, the fact they are younger than you doesn't mean they deserve pity. I'm tired of that whole "oh but they're a kid...". I don't care. They will never learn from their mistakes if they are never punished, they will only think that they will always be protected. As someone who saw her works stolen or partially copied by various kind of persons, from brats to scammers, I will never make a special treatment for one. If you can't act properly online, you don't belong online.
This is generally how I feel about it. If you're gonna take things and claim it as your own, you cannot expect that there won't be repercussions. Which is what most of these people think. Stealing is fine, apparently. And yes, your age has nothing to do with your actions. We learn from a very young age stealing is not only 'bad' but a crime. I don't want to make people's lives miserable, but it's so annoying, because they make everyone else's lives miserable XD
Couldn't have said it better!
100%. If they don't care about the harm their stealing can make why everyone else should be too polite in addressing it
@@YTRattleRegarding of some comments on that video, I think that most of the SSO community is rotten. Defending thieves, accusing victims when they finally defend themselves to search drama and/or lie... This game seems to attract bad persons overall.
i think artists are the ones that understand this the most, with art theft running rampant
As an artist something similar happened to me
So I had some drawings that I trusted a friend to keep them safe
So basically the drawings were with her but not her property
And one day I took back the drawings (I didn't say anything about it to her since she was only reuqested to keep them safe in fact she pressured me into doing this)
And she confronted me on what was I thinking am I out of my mind, I was like I just took them back cause I obviously prefer to keep my own stuff with myself
Then she HAD THE AUDACITY to say that "But you gave me those drawings so you cannot take them back! That is considered theft! My mom could even arrest you!" (Yes her mom is working at the police)
Bro.
Those are MY drawings.
I never said that they are yours.
You literally pressured me to trust you with keeping them safe, not giving it you.
Yet she claimed them as some sort of gift from ME
Went home crying that day (this was in 5th grade okay?) and when my dad heard abt it he was damn furious
You got plagiarized WORD FOR WORD! Doesn't get worse than that!
You said it!
Thank you for including me in this project, the video turned out great! I hope that this will help start some constructive conversations and prevent future incidents or misunderstandings 🤞🏻
Thanks for joining in Eleanor! ♥ It's always great having you onboard! :D
@@Dragon-np8khon Eleanor’s part, that’s the only thing she could do though…
One thing i hope you talk about is clickbaiting. SSO united and minatozy are known for their blatantly ckick-baity thumbnail to grab the attention of a younger audience. Ever since the OG SSO youtubers like corinne, elizabeth, and some others left, these people have been increasing their clickbait content, due to being few of the still active SSO channels.
I really don't like being mean, but ugh, I could not agree more.. I subscribed to Minatozy cuz of Rattle, I wanted to support more SSO creators who talk about issues in SSO.... But dear lord I had to unsubscribe few days later cuz I just got so annoyed by the horrible clickbait. And even if the title was appropriate for the video, all she did was read everything already given in the news or blogs etc etc... Didn't even give personal input, just... Read...
I understand it might be good for those who are dyslexic or don't want to read and just want to listen in their earpods, but it doesn't excuse the blatant clickbait in other videos..
@@Wolfen__ You're not being mean at all don't worry, this is valid criticism because these youtubers are old enough to know what they're doing and what audience they attract, and they're willing to even manipulate little kids into watching their content to gain more money. If they were a bit more genuine none of us would be here discussing this problem in the first place.
There is a line between inspiration and copy. None of us want this to happen to us but there are ppl that will act even if they don't like it themselves. Its just how the days go and its a path some ppl take... this thing is really common, sadly. this was amazing video that gave a really helpful message
every day i check your channel like its the morning paper
Not gonna lie, it feels like a news channel for horse games
You're both amazing! Thank you! ♥ XD
As a small content creator, I haven't experienced plagiarism myself, however I do know what its like to feel the need to talk about something, I find it admirable that you and Eleanor have spoken up against something you believe is wrong, but done it in a respectful, cancel culture free way. Good on the both of you, hope you get the outcome your looking for! :)
I'm really sorry to hear that! Was it a bigger content creator? You don't have to give details, just curious about the situation! ♥
@@YTRattleI don’t speak about the situations anymore, however I may still have a video pinned on my channel if your curious. I just wanted to say how much I admired you as it’s a very brave thing to stand up and speak out and I really like the way you did it so respectfully and politely! Hats off to you and Eleanor 💕
Having played some seriously toxic games most of my teen/adult life, I have never seen a more toxic community than SSO. Well done rattle for bringing these issues to light
Great video! Plagiarism has been running rampant, especially cross platforms (ie youtube videos being stolen to post on tiktok) and I am glad you and Eleanor have started the conversation about it 🫶
Thanks Abi! I know the people getting called out are upset, but hopefully it can bring some self reflection and help them not do that again XD I will hold out hope!
The thing with the obvious plagiarism is that it robs the plagiarist of their own unique voice, something they could develop and evolve and contribute. Hearing Castor's script reading versus the original sources makes it clear, Castor sounds like she's just reading from a script, where Rattle and Eleanor have the inflections and cadence that come from speaking their own words. A level of that is developing the skills to read a script well, but being able to be yourself means you can feel more comfortable instead of having to rehearse to the point of sounding natural.
Parroting bigger creators winds up just making you an echo of them, and undermines whatever creativity you possess. Study the masters for what techniques and tools they use to make their content effective, but bring your true self to what you make.
This is such a brilliant point. You can only ever be a bad copy if you copy, you can't ever be more than that. A parrot with nothing else to say but what others have said already. I do voice overs for some people sometimes, and reading someone else's words is always a bit of a struggle, as your thoughts don't flow as easily. Because they were never your thoughts to begin with. I really wish Spelcastor had done her own work from the get-go, she had an interesting editing style (that clipping effect) and I think her voice is great. Sad she went the route of copying.
Ugh. It's disappointing about star stable adventures.
Plagiarizing is one of the worst things that seems to be happening in the star stable community. It's kind of disappointing, knowing someone is out there, possibly lurking and ready to take what is rightfully yours for their own will. I wish it would stop, I hope it does stop, but I don't think it will anytime soon.
Anyways, another thing that I've noticed is impersonating people. I've been down that road where someone has pretended to be me, for whatever reason. It was strange, and I didn't like it. I don't know if anyone else has ever been in that situation, but... I really hope this is discussed someday.
Some here are in deep…
I’m really sorry Rattle, Eleanor, Amelia and from what I saw Kitty too. Not only do you have to deal with thieves but you also have to deal with their unbearable fanbase defending illegal practices, believing they are more mature than you…
I hope they will learn their lesson (though children hardly do when caught doing the deed) and I hope this amazing video helped raising awareness !
Thank you for your work, it is, as always, perfectly interesting and documented. Much love 🩵✨
Thank you! ♥
Thank you so much for speaking up for us, I’m so grateful!! ♡ :)
I had artworks and videos stolen, or traced over. I put hours of effort into my content and having it stolen was such a horrible feeling...
It is a horrible feeling!
@@YTRattle Absolutely...
Awesome Video by the way (as usual) ^-^
when i was 9-10 i posted a comment with a poem on my favorite youtuber. It was a poem that my teacher had written out for me as she were retiring. The youtuber swiftly called me out on plagiarism as it was not an original poem. I got so scared and never did anything of the sort again.
Yeah, people need to be called out to change, don't baby people with inappropriate actions
starstable adventures had a problem with a bug before. someone found the bug and he/she/ they made a video about it without credits. had to take it down, and later did give credits after alot of people said something about it
Great job as always! Unfortunately very real in the online world today, and a hassle
It's crazy and I have people IN THIS COMMENT SECTION telling me that spelcastor didn't take my entire script. No. LOL It's amazing the denial XD
@@YTRattle LOL For real, it’s insane what people do to defend…
I agree with this completely. I have never been copied before. However, I've seen cases of it, and it's horrible. It's like cheating off of someone's homework. It's wrong, and the people doing it should feel guilt.
On another note, I love your videos Rattle! When I heard Amelia's name I had to do a double take because you two are my favorite youtubers! I think a collab with you two would be amazing.❤
Ahhh! I'll send along the message, and thank you! Stealing work is never okay, it really causes a lot of damage. ♥
@@YTRattle No problem! And I agree ❤
The fact she went and uploaded a demented and blurry/low quality video calling it "proof" of innocence is hilarious. Unfortunately, this is why minors shouldn't have social media like this or the ability to upload content in this way.
Being a minor is also NOT an excuse to just do whatever you want.
Really sad to hear this - but this is a long-standing problem which arrived with the World Wide Web. I’ve read of numerous examples since the 1990s, but the worst was professional journalists stealing the work of PhD students who were blogging their research.
The annoying thing is that it’s so hard to do anything about it. You could put in a copyright claim on a YT vid - and given the community we’re discussing here, that might be enough - but it doesn’t do much.
I really love SSO and I’m planning my own fan site, but this has made me think. I’m particularly sad for Eleanor - the dynamic nature of the medium would make anything hard to prove and just spoils the whole conversation. At least a copyright claim is an option for Rattle.
Again, another brilliant comment. It is tragic and painful to see people become muzzled by these actions and even isolated in the need to protect themselves from people who have no scruples. I hope that people can see this and at least think twice about doing it themselves.
@@YTRattle Thanks :) Just reading through some of the comments on here and wondering how many of them are Spelcastor in disguise.
I think you did the right thing in calling her out by name. Children actually learn at quite an early age the difference between right and wrong.... so much child rearing seems to be reinforcing the lesson that there are no special conditions which allow you to do what you like, even when you know it's wrong.
Better she gets called out like this and learns that lesson than end up plagiarising someone who really doesn't like it and makes enough copyright claims to get her channel shut down.
Very very good topic, and it is more common that you would ever imagine. The music huge companies make are oftentimes copied from the little people we will probably never know. Most of them are copies and the majority of those who are affected are forced to say nothing because they don't have the money or means to face the corporate law firms and they would not win anyways. The original artist will remain in the shadows while the big dog of the industry gets all the credit and is made to look like a saint. Dirtier than we would think and it is so common, nice thing you brought this up.
Iv had my creative writing work stolen before. I dont think iv ever wanted to hang someone by their thumbs before. But boiiii did i want to after
I know the feel XD
Hey Rattle!
Just wanted to take a small moment to thank you for all the work you put in your videos :) I roughly remember how when I was younger that some fellas stole my ideas when i was in the making of my third series. Im so glad that they never published "their" work and I can do something original and im thankfull to learn from you and Eleanor. Im also very excited for the upcoming video about rrp even tho its not particulary my community x)
Love, Ronja!
Thank you! ♥ It's awful when people steal work!
Nobody on the internet is too young to know about plagiarism and be """punished""" (used very loosely) for it. In the real world, these kids who "don't know any better" better learn quick considering that if they're caught plagiarizing in the Other part of their life, they're going to fail their classes, or get expelled from college (which, if it needs said, means losing Thousands of dollars that you or your parents already paid at the beginning of the semester). Professional musicians and other professional creators have been taken to court for plagiarism before. Getting told bluntly to stop stealing on the internet and losing viewers because you stole is barely a slap on the wrist compared to what would happen literally anywhere else. Obviously nobody deserves harassment, but even getting told Bluntly to stop stealing by the person you stole from isn't harassment. If you don't want your feelings hurt, then don't steal. It's that easy. The "they're just kids" thing really only holds water at all if it's a case of *accidental* heavy inspiration; lifting whole scripts verbatim Repeatedly is *not* accidental.
Generally, my stance on this. However, I do appreciate that not everyone agrees with that sentiment. But yeah, stealing is not okay and doing it repeatedly speaks of a pattern.
@@YTRattle Definitely agreeing with you, sorry just in case it didn't come across that way! I can definitely see why not everyone does agree with the sentiment of course, but it's just kinda frustrating sometimes since it's one of those cases where personally I feel like just letting it go unchecked ultimately does more harm than good in the long run, since it's a lot better to get that slap on the wrist so they can stop Before they get the idea that they can get away with it, and potentially try it somewhere more risky. xP Not everyone thinks about it that way though, and it's def easier to just avoid the discomfort (and potential backlash) that definitely comes with a confrontation, so I can still see why some people don't want to fight it very hard.
Oh no! Sorry, I understood your comment, there's just a bit of a split on this and I'm trying to make ti clear that I do understand both sides XD This is again, more or less my own sentiments. Just don't steal. Some understand this, some don't, age although a reason is not an excuse, and should not really factor in. Especially not when they so BLATANTLY steal. But yeah, do agree, just want to ensure people reading the comments understand that yes, I do see the other side of it, I just don't entirely agree with it XD
This hurts my soul. Creating videos takes hours of work and planning and then when people just comes in and claims them as their own or take a big proportion of your idea and claims it as theirs is heartbreaking. It is very hard to be original nowadays but straight up stealing should not be a thing. Lovely video Rattle ♥
Thank you, Sandy! You're so right! Being original is difficult enough, and coming up with those ideas take time and energy. Outright taking them is such a slap in the face of the creator. Thanks! ♥
Just makes me so angry. I saw a long sso video made by Kitty Spiderweb talking about the rise and fall of sso along with other things. A couple of weeks later I see a video by Castor that copied Kitty’s video word by word and it just makes me sad and angry. Kitty obviously put a lot of effort in just to have her work stolen! That is so extremely low. Not spending hate❤
SERIOUSLY?? I didn't even see that! I only got wind of this creator when she stole my own work! Good grief!
@@w3w3w3w It’s called the death of realism or something along those lines but I’m not sure completely sure what it is called it’s her first or second video I think
@@YTRattle And the sad part is that if you call it out (like you said in the video) People will find a way to make the original creator the villain so these things are rarely talked about.
Which is why I'm talking about it. People like this can squeal and cry all they want. If they steal, they steal. And they need to get called out. Sorry, this ticks me off to no end XD
@@YTRattle Yes 🙌 stealing is stealing no matter if it’s online or IRL
Honestly, it's so sad how this community evolved.
Nowadays, you will find people trying to bully anyone even in the game. But seeing this on youtube with even copying someone is terrible! If they are old enough to be on youtube they should act like it and at least give credit where it's due!
Even saying that they were inspired by you would be better than just leaving it as their original work!
from my experience, sso has always been an awful place. if i knew anything about video production i’d make one on my specific experiences in a highly popular riding club i was in as a kid. shit was wild
I’m not a very frequent viewer of your channel, but I watch Amelia Dreambell for her roleplays. I remember her body shaming video and to me it seemed very passionate. It was a whirlwind hearing a different voice basically regurgitate everything Dreambell said. Came off as disingenuous on Spellcasters part. Crazy situation
So I don't keep up with the sso community outside of the occasional youtube video that pops up in my recommended, and I don't rp at all so I put off watching this. Honestly just wasn't interested in getting mad at kids for doing foolish things like plagiarism, which most kids at some point do, until they are rightfully shamed for it and never do it again. But it was shocking to me when you brought up your little plagiarist because I have actually watched a few of their videos and was interested in seeing more from them. 💀 Jeez. Glad you guys are bringing this up.
Thank you for naming and shaming. Not so people can attack or harass but so that we as viewers can be informed and choose to no longer support these creators. I am new to SSO videos and don't play the game personally so I greatly appreciate knowing what videos to NOT click on :)
Thank you for your hard work and the great quality videos you consistently put out!
what you said about the rrp community in the beginning was so true! i used to have a rrp tiktok a while ago and I posted a video where i had a shire and i edited it to look like it was pulling a carriage (i pasted the tack from the horse at starshine and the carriage as well) and I know this wasn't the most original idea but the video became kinda popular (about 5-6k likes and 20k views) and boom next few days I see 5 videos almost the same as mine. the funniest thing was not one of the creators bothered to even tag me as inspiration (they all liked my video and some commented if they could make a similar thing but I didn't respond i think).... it just annoyed me how blatant the copying was, they even used the same music ;-;
Plagiarism will get you kicked out of any self respecting intellectual institution. If someone is old enough to post content online, they are old enough to know right and wrong. If people aren't going to be polite and get permission, you have no reason to be polite in asking them to take it down. While the community isn't mature enough to tackle serious issues, it does not mean people who are effected by them need to put up with it.
I was a former moderator for another horse game, and it's community became just as toxic as SSO's. I've noticed that online games that are targeted at children have a much more toxic community than the most violent games targeted at adults. While we could go into semantics and psychology, I believe the root cause is just that, simply put, the majority of the community is children.
I was not impressed to hear the part Rattle played in the doxxing situation, however. Politeness is one thing, but breaching anyone's personal affairs is a level of intrusion that's both unwarranted and excessive. It's unnecessary, and frankly, a little creepy. I am sure she had her reasons to contact her respective thief's horseback program, though from the outside looking in, I fail to see how this was more effective than a callout and copyright strike.
Like most things that came out the accused and their defenders' mouths, I suppose that could easily be a rumor. I am more than content to rest knowing at least one of these people was stopped, but it does make me wonder.
We can only hope that lessons were learned, and creators will be empowered to reclaim what is theirs.
Honestly I love your SSO Videos. even tho i quit SSO long ago due to Cyber Bullying.
And you are so Deam right. the overly friendly is just so sickening honestly. Stupid People will allways call you a "MeAnIe" because u dared to say something about they're beloved Horse game.
But you are Spitting Facts, and thats all this is.
Please never Stop spreading Awarenes about SSO and anyting else
You are Amazing
Great Video rattle! I’m so sorry this happened to you, it’s one thing to have inspiration, or even want to address your take on a situation. It’s another to steal someone’s work and not even add anything. There’s so much someone could talk about this community that isn’t talked about. (Which I won’t be saying in case they are in this comment section lurking). But instead, they lazily did it. Again I’m really sorry, and I really love your videos!
finally someone brings this up, great video btw
Copied work in the video editing community is also... wild
Especially since most of the editors moved to Tiktok, it's insane and quite draining.
There was a club that copied several things about my club. GRANTED: we took the SSO "Next Up In Jorvik" posts and turned it into our club's monthly roadmaps to tell our audience what our plans were for the month, but I hope that came across as inspiration rather than stealing/plagiarizing/copying. Anyways, that club copied that. Then we made a post about the Members Right's movement, and they word for word copied our caption. Finally, they nearly copied our Discord club advertisement. They have since apologized for doing all of that, and we're on better terms now, but it was certainly noticed at the time. There was this other club that 1:1 copied our "About Us" type information for our club. I can't remember if I stumbled upon it or if it was someone who brought it up to me, but either way it was definitely noticed. Club copying is sad, but I think part of the problem is that there is not much widespread EDUCATION about owning clubs that gives people the tools or empowerment to work through the challenges and mechanics of club owning. That's part of what my channel is about, to give new club owners the help I wish I had when starting out on my own. Great video Rattle and Eleanor, great insights on the WHY of plagiarism!
I love how Spelcastor removed their channel art and made their bio "sToP sEnDinG mE DeAtH tHrEaTs!!!111" when that's the only defense you have against your wrongdoings, you know you're guilty.
do you realize how harmful death threats can be?
@@whitescarstoneclan165 SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK
I am aware that the heat inside your fursuit is high enough to bake a pizza, I would not be surprised if your internal circuits fried; still, I expect better.
You have 25 comments on Rattle's channel, though I don't care to read them because they are all irredeemably boring - You are obviously a fan (no hate for that, I enjoy her content too). BUT, your obnoxious attempt at toadying directly goes against what Rattle believes is correct.
You can't speak about harassment like its a non issue, it was not wrong of Rattle to make this video. It was wrong for her to include sensitive information about this creator, which enables knobjockeys like you to make deplorable comments such as these. In other words, hop off.
@@mexicancarwash6292Brave move man, you talk about how wrong it is for people to bully spellcastor and yet you're here bullying someone for their costume. How hypocritical.
@@crazyhairsinger bullying is a stretch. ACTIONS should have CONSEQUENCES. For every action, there is a consequence. Sometimes a bone needs to be broken for it to heal properly.
The comment they made was disgusting. Me making a joke about them being a furry is a very small offence in comparison, and it's probably the least of their worries; they have proven themselves capable of making such comments.
HOWEVER -- recieving death threats over the theft of a script, is not an equal consequence -- it is WORSE. Brushing these issues off is not of equal consequence, it is WORSE.
I do not disagree with "bullying" as long as the action meets the consequence, which in this case, it does not. I hope that clears things up for you.
Thank you for making this! And to everyone who says, 'people who get their work stolen were asking for it,' take a moment to feel that. I take novel writing classes, and while I'm hesitant to share anything specific about my writing, I would never ever steal ideas from concepts that others are putting out there. I want to live in a world that puts trust, creativity and building each other up as a priority; not stealing and tearing each other down.
Oh no, copying someones listed points is completely different thing than copying their reactions and improvised speech. Kinda cringe when you get caught 😬
Spelcastor stole from Amelia again *_* Ugh
Honestly acting like a person who plagiarized someone's work doesn't deserve to be called out for it because they're young or have a small following is idiotic. If it's a child, we should ESPECIALLY call out their behavior when it's bad, that's how kids grow. And small creators aren't immune to consequences of their actions just because they're small.
This is the earliest I’ve ever been to one of rattles videos!! Rattles my fav youtuber 🫶
♥♥♥♥♥ No, YOU'RE breathtaking! XD
the amount of theft and plagiarism in sso community is really upsetting. castor could easily just take inspiration instead of copying the whole thing 1:1. i get it, star stable content has been lackluster for a long time now and many of the videos are very similar, but everyone’s thought process is different so im sure they could make an awesome video regarding the same topic, but with their own take. i myself am not a content creator but watching your and eleanor’s videos (as well as other sso youtubers) makes me feel inspired to present my own thoughts about different things! its okay to take inspiration, we all have to start somewhere, but adding a their own note instead of copying someone else’s entire thought process and uploading it as an another video would be much more interesting to listen to. amazing video rattle, have a nice evening ❤
Thank you! ♥ Castor is not happy about this, and she's trying to make it seem like I'm making this up for drama. What frustrates me is instead of admitting fault and saying yeah, okay, I won't do that again, they rather deflected ignore and try to retaliate. It's sad, really. And I hope that she can stop this and move on with her channel.
THANKS. its true that its always difficult to accuse of plagiarism because some are very clever. For example, they use all the content of your video to say the exact opposite but never quote you. It's like they were answering you but without ever assuming it or saying it while pretending that their subject is original and that they are just responding to "haters" in general. Sometimes I admit that I wonder if I am legitimate, after all, it is possible that other people have the same ideas or the same opinion at the same time... I specify that I am a small French-speaking CZcamsr. Also, if you don't know the French SSO CZcams community, I can tell you that plagiarism (even CZcams thumbnails!) of English-language content is legion. 😔
They are thief's! Their goes a lot of hard hard work in a Video...😢
I just want the 2016 starstable back
ive had my katja fanart stolen from my art station and posted onto a roleplay page, I asked for them to take down the photo or at least credit me and they got so upset saying they didnt know and that I should be flattered :l
This may be very petty, however, more about star stable adventure. When I was running my SSO spoiler account, I uploaded a video where I found that the SSO promotional code with honey still works. So I made people aware of that. Then, SSA immediately uploaded the same exact video.
Another thing that has happened was with some horse coats. She has stolen someone else's work and put it on youtube with no credit at all.
The said horse coats were found on the game files I believe, or made by someone else.
That was my work, the horse coats.
To clarify: they were remastered easter horse coats. They were in the files, but very low resolution, and a lot were missing too. Me and my now ex friend Gretchen Star Stable hosted them with a password and people were allowed to use them as long as they linked back to our channels. SSA only misspelled our names and gave fake links, then called me a twat for wanting proper credit.
You probably won't see this but ive been binging your content these past few days, i absolutely love it. I was wondering if you would make a video on what you would actually like to see in a horse video game? You make a lot of videos reviewing different parts of different horse games but im curious what your dream game would include! What would it look like if all your favorite elements of horse games were mixed together, and if your least favorite were left out?
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Hey! Sorry for taking so long to get back, it's been a bit crazy XD I'm doing a live stream soon again, and I'll answer your question then! ♥♥ Thanks for watching the vids and I'm SO glad you're enjoying them! :D
@@YTRattle It's no problem at all, take your time with whatever you're doing ♥And thank you so much for replying, I'll be looking forward to the livestream! :D
Considering the comment was immediately deleted i am almost entirely certain it was mine as i did try to reach out about it but deleted my comment as i was scared that it would cause a lot of drama exactly because of what you said - people in the star stable community accept only acceptance and positivity and pointing to something like this has the potential of starting drama, it can be scary to risk getting called mean for something as small as pointing it out
You were not being mean at all ♥, I sincerely appreciate the fact that you brought this to my attention, and if you hadn't someone else would have! ♥ It did cause some strife, but hopefully it will die down soon. However, I am glad that I got the opportunity to talk about plagiarism. Sad that it happened, but happy that people might take inspiration from this video and approach people who have taken work from them as well. Thank you for reaching out!
@@YTRattle I certainly hope we can work to reduce plagiarism as a community together as it would be a very good thing in the end
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This is very similar to copying homework but thats more like a friendly thing to save eachother's butts
But there are always those kids when the teacher asks whose hw has no mistakes and they raise their hand up
Now thats when im furious
Yes I copy homework myself but even if its 100% correct I never raise my hand
Never unless I've done it by myself
As soon as you played the clip of spelcastor saying the thing about the shooters I immediately knew what Amelia had said as I have watched all of Amelia's videos about the EQ community and remember that being there I didn't realize castor was copying you guys until it was pointed out. I immediately unsubscribed. Thank you for drawing this to my attention
i feel like this is good proof that they copied, or a good example if //proof// is too strong of a word. most people in the sso community do not play fps games, which is why it was such a point for amelia to bring it up in the first, as i understand she’s very adamant about her stance in the call of duty community. i recognized that line immediately, especially with the tone of voice castor said it in. it was incredibly odd.
17:30 I actually had that exact thing said to me almost word for word X,D by the copycat in question then the people around them I had thought I was on good standing with. Granted and for full discloser, Im a writer in a completely different community but still ^^;; I hope it's ok to share my experience with plagiarism.
They'd taken one of my stories and its characters/ideas for an erotic roleplay of all things, and they were pretty public with this rp and its "inspirations". When I privately expressed discomfort at something I worked on and cherished being used like that, I was essentially told "you dont own the story, if you didnt want it copied, you shouldn't have shared it"
It unfortunately has gotten to me, and it's an issue that keeps coming back with the same people even to this day. Sadly in the end, I just dont feel comfortable talking about stories much anymore.^^;;
Anyway apologies this is a bit off topic and unrelated to sso or horse games In general, just wanted to chip in since that line hit close to home. Ive been a lurker on your channel for a little bit since your videos are great to listen to while drawing, so thank you for all your work! ;w;
Love your videos❤
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And thank you! ♥♥♥
Go Rattle you go girl ❤
I am sorry this happened to you. It’s clear that you and Amelia were copied.
I’ve been watching Amelia for over a year, I was in her discord server as well. I don’t know her very personally, but I don’t think she is the type of person to call out copying unless she has a solid belief they are. Especially since I’ve never really seen her take part in direct drama.
I hope this is cleared up for you. They are blatantly copying. Simply put.
BSFGDJGJ can't tell you how fast I clicked, Rattle! Love your vids, keep being awesome! 💜
Ahhh! Thank you! ♥♥
Plagiarism is a very serious case in universities especially my college!
I watch these two you-tubers I did not know they did this stuff
I Watch your video and Spelcastor not noticing the similarities since i can be forgetful and I watch from different time gaps.
Im pretty sure the videos are not in my watch history as its been deleted or I never watch them again.
Politeness is not what it used to be anyway.
I mean, you're called a bully simply because you try to explain your view on a topic (happened to me again just a few hours ago btw, lol). People honestly think that 'being nice' is simply NOT adressing the issue. It simply does not matter HOW you adress it, you'll always be the negative party simply because you mentioned it.
That in and of itself should be something games (and our society) should fight against and eradicate, but game staff usually doesn't bother. SSO least of all. They can hardly get their collective sh!ts together and deliver decent game content, so i honestly don't expect them to even care about this.
The sad thing is, that plagiarism is likely simply boiling down to laziness and/or wanting instant gratification. Especially among people involved with CZcams and Twitch; they think it's easy to become the next Markiplier and take the easy route they think will work fastest. All while not thinking about the consequences. Maybe even due to the fact people nowadays are delusional and spoiled to the degree of thinking nobody would ever know.
In a way, I find people who silently delete and ignore you after being called out MUCH nicer than people who pretend they didn't know or are sorry (because they definitely are not, they are only sorry for getting caught, if at all).
I really wanted to buy you a coffe but I can purchase it with my card since I'm not 18 ;( You're doing a fantastic job I wish you the best♥ We love you Rattle :3
♥♥♥ Sorry for missing this! Your comments and views are support enough, THANK YOU!
@@YTRattle AHH NO WORRIES♥♥ KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK♥♥♥
Good video I was playing sso while watching and I was riding the same horse as you ❤️.
I have a personal story that may or may not be plagiarism and I have mixed feelings on it, but I kept quiet, because I ultimately got what I wanted?
I joined a patreon for a fairly popular CZcamsr years ago (+1million subs) and sent them a video idea/request relating the game they talk about to a rare disease that effects my family member.
I went into a ton of detail, giving them tons of potential avenues of research and ideas...
And apparently I did such a damn good job it became the blatant outline for their script.
Like, I'm glad I covered things well enough to not merit corrections, and I didn't do that good of a job because it only hit 150k views.
And I got a shoutout for the video idea, but I did way more than just provide the idea, and wasn't told they were running with what I just sent as an informative message.
But still, that's, like, 150k eyes on a disease rarer than being struck by lightning, and whose prognosis is determined largely by the speed of diagnosis. I kinda feel like there's no point in rocking the boat.
But it doesn't feel nice, even when I literally might have helped save someone's life with this.
And a big part of it is that it means that your own words get taken out of your control- I would have added some things if they had told me, if they had worked with me on this.
Folks should try getting denied credit for their work and see how it feels.
12:21 I have to say I said the exact same thing you told me to do it this person is still a copy cat but I feel like we all had that reaction to the bull quest, I have been copied in the past one to many time's one time me and my sister made a video and not even a day later only a few hours later a bigger creator named heather something uploaded a video so similar the only difference was the audio (I wanna clarify its not Heather Lioncage she is so sweet and would never)
Damn I was friends with Star Stable Adventures a few years ago. Not close, just SSO friends. Pretty disappointing. I'm not entirely sure if this is still the account they play on but I believe their SSO user was Tiffany Dawncastle. But don't go blindly attacking them because 1. I could be wrong and 2. That's just not cool. But if anyone has been plagiarized ajd would like to contact them try there, but remember DON'T harass them and make sure it's the right person first. It sucks being accused of something you didn't do, for my first years of playing SSO I was constantly harassed because apparently I was a "cheater" and it would send innocent niave 13 year old me into panic attacks and depression. So seriously don't attack people especially if there's little to no evidence.
My immediate reaction; Ew. Absolutely EWW that some people literally copy what you are saying. That's absolutely disgusting from both channels. I unfortunately already knew about star stable adventures and found them very childish and annoying
Sorry, I'm autistic and I have trouble explaining. All I can say is Ew ew ew ew ew ew ew!
I saw the comments from those people who blindly stood up for and bully others for the sake of this small content creator, and I am sickened by it.
If you don't like the oh so "fake" truth then do something useful with yourself instead of "actually" attacking other content creators for standing up for themselves in a calm and polite way.
No one in this community wants drama and yet all you are doing is letting your ignorance get the better of you and say unnecessary things. You are making a fool of yourself AND your amazing perfect favorite content creator. Just let it go dude... Talk about "acting" mature.🙄
I'm so sorry, Rattle that there are some really childish people out here that can't handle letting their idol being less then perfect... it actually makes me sad that people keep their head in the clouds and then just bully others for no reason. I'm trying hard not to react to them but I just wanted to mention that they are in the wrong and just want to project bs onto others cause they have issues themselves. I'm so sorry.💔🥺 (even to myself because this really affected me)
Thank you! I sincerely appreciate this! ♥! I don't mind different opinions on the situation, that I have no issue with - I don't agree with everyone, but hey, that's okay! But people who so blatantly protect this person and then turn around and tell us that we are somehow in the wrong for calling her out. This, of course, comes AFTER she made a video telling everyone that I stole from her? it was one of the most bizarre things I've seen in a while. But, I do get it, she has friends, and they want to defend her. Which is understandable and commendable, which is also why I'm not deleting comments, at least for the time being. Venting is good for the soul XD Thanks again Jess! ♥
@YTRattle You're honestly a really great and mature person.❤️ I really look up to you!🥹 I hope to be less bothered about things like these in the future, and thank you for even responding, I'm not used to being responded to.😆
Hello? We have plagiarism now? Oh joy 😒
I am so sorry, I actually thought Spell castor was a backup or extra channel for you!! 😯
Oh damn, no! I would announce a channel like that! XD ♥
But how when their voices are completely different
Also their player character was different. The thing is some people use methods of changing their voice and having multiple characters. This was my only idea. My home page when I watch youtube on my personal account just shows mainly sso content and watching these videos nearly back to back with such similar scripting made me thing that maybe it was an alt account for the same party with either another voiceover speaker or voice modification @@Ferindel
Yoink and Twist is ok. Copying is not.
"Yoink and twist" I am using this XD
This situation truly angered me with spelcastor,i wanted to support her,but when i noticed the clear copying of your script in the new character video,i just clicked off immidetaly.I cannot imagine how angered YOU must've been,and i am so sorry such plagarism happened to you and,alegedly,Eleanor Nightwalker. I do not have much else to comment other than my emotion during the situation,thanks for reading!
You are the community's saving grace. Thank you for so methodically and respectfully warning us, and eliminating these thieves. Though I am curious to know how many of the doxxing rumors were true? If that is something you are willing and comfortable to discuss.
I know a few people tried to doxx her, I simply removed the comments that did so. It was the most I could do at the time, but it appears to have died down now.
I just read the other comment, I'm not sure what people are saying, but at no point did I ever try to doxx her. I only used what she had online at the time, nothing else.
They definitely ripped you guys off. Stuff like this infuriates me 🤬
i make some artworks and sometimes take a base from google (i did ask if it was okey, they did not reply) than i spend between 3 and 5 hours to make that small piece of base my own (i only use the shape not anything els). the base picture is not more than 15% of the hole picture and i don't make money or anything with it. so i think it is fine.
That's perfectly fine XD What I'm talking about is directly taking things and claiming it as your own without gving credit. As long as you give credit to the original pic, especially if it's obvious you used that as the base for the edit, it should be fine. Art is a weird one though XD
Wait a sec, theres more than one springdale game??
the sso community is annoying and fake asf, i can't even watch most youtubers nowadays. i love that you called out the fake politeness
14:51 i'm sorry, star stable deceased riders??
I don’t like the fact thespelcastor would change up the words to make it seem like there not copying but you could really tell but it was smart kinda dumb tho…. No hate to this person tho as a hate hating!!
Why are my comments hidden? I apologize if I overstepped, but I do believe some of us could benefit from clarity rather than silence.
Hey! Sorry about that! Due to some unsavoury comments, I've put on a few filters on my vids! For some reason it flagged yours as a problem! ♥ I usually check it sooner, but I was on the road yesterday!
I remember being a 9 year old copying someone's Breyer horse movie Two Worlds because I loved it so much.
I would literally rewatch it every day for like a month straight.
I pretty much ripped the script and just changed names for my breyer models 😅
I'm glad that channel never went anywhere. I don't know if 9 year old me could handle strangers yelling at me online.
I don't know Rattle.. I genuinely do enjoy most of your content and I love all your critical views on SSO - but I'm not entirely sure I agree with this video. You mention it yourself in the script "it might not cause much issue when a smaller creator copies a bigger one". I do not agree with copying content, as any sane person wouldn't - BUT when that is said, I do think it is highly valid to consider the fact that these are tiny channels and, based on what I can see and hear, run by kids. I think attempting contact is great, and the person you mentioned having copied you also privated all their stuff when you commented on it - isn't that enough? I think there are way more productive ways to bring this issue into light, instead of mentioning such specific situations - accounts named and everything. This video just leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth, I'm sorry.
Children who know how to edit videos, post it online, record their games, and know the good and bad since they try to avoid conversations… yeah.
Hey laura! I sincerely appreciate your comment, and I do understand where you're coming from.
It's not an easy situation, and I don't fool myself into thinking I handled it 'right'. But I did have a reason for approaching this the way I did and I'll try and explain. I'll be using some parts of a comment I posted earlier. Just to make it a little easier on me XD
This was not an easy video to make and the decision to so publicly call them out comes from a realisation that they were not truly willing to stop. It did not come lightly. They ignored my initial comment, pretended nothing happened, pretended to not know Amelia when they had CLEARLY stolen her work. It's now come out that they also stole from kitti spiderweb.
You could say they unlisted or privated the video and that should be fine, which it would have been if they didn't continue to pretend nothing had happened and unlisted and listed videos back and forth. It cast doubt for me that they were willing to change to actually move on from copying content. Which is one of the reasons I pushed forward.
Another point people often bring is I should have reachied out through DMs. I don't agree with this. And I'll try and explain why. By keeping it in the shadows, we give them exactly what they want: secrecy. Which is the driving factor for stealing content. Stealing content is reliant on the ability to keep it quiet, and to ensure no one finds out. By moving it into private DMs one of two things will happen: 1) they will ignore you or 2) they will profusely appologise and promise to never do it again to you.
And then turn around and do it to someone else. Which is exactly what she did.
If it's any consolation it turns out she's around 18, so not a minor. I stand by the idea that if you steal work, ignore the people you stole work from, and continue to steal work, then really that should be called out. As it does tremendous damage to creators.
However, I do appreciate where you guys are coming from. It can be seen as using a larger platform to punch down. But the argument becomes moot when your work is being stolen. Your size of your channel matters little if you clearly, painfully, obviously, stole work. Your ability for rational decision making does not grow or diminish with the subscriber count. And I hope that this video gives one person, even two, the courage to step up and talk about plagiarism openly. Because really, the hurt this creates and how it sucks you dry from creativity and motivation is painful, to say the least. And it's unfair that the larger creators who are being plagiarised must forever have their mouths clamped shut in order to protect smaller ones.
I do hope clarifies it a bit more, but if anything else is amiss, please let me know! ♥
@@YTRattle I appreciate you taking your time to answer to my comment, and while I don’t necessarily agree with everything you’re listing above - I never doubted that you made this video with your own best intentions.
I do have to comment on your disagreement with reaching out privately - while I hear you on the “secrecy”, I do think any problems ever occurring should ALWAYS be handled privately first and foremost. It is simply the most civil thing to do, as well as the correct way to handle confrontation if you want to speak from a law-perspective as well. If you then get “ignored” like you said, you can consider going forward from there.
I am happy to hear the person in question turns out to not be a minor, but it doesn’t sound like this was known before recently? I also see a lot of people commenting on the fact that they want minors to be held equally accountable regardless of their age. I think this is a highly problematic way of thinking, and there are reasons why almost all countries across the world has set laws in place to make sure that minors in fact are NOT held accountable as adults.
I of course do not think you as a bigger creator should stay quiet, I think speaking up is important - I just think this was a risky way of doing it, especially if you were unsure on the ages of the people who’s accounts you are sharing publicly. There are many other ways to bring light to this topic, but as said: I acknowledge that you believe this was the optimal one.
@@LilBibs I won't lie, it was a difficult situation, but your comment brought attention to the fact that I should address this more clearly in the next video.
The RP community has a serious problem with 'appologising and doing it again in any case'. These people are often polite, kind, and quietly ask for them to stop, and they never do. I saw in spelcastor a pattern. I will say, I was under the impression from the get-go she was about 19. If she was a minor I'm unsre of what I would have done. It depends on how she reacted, again.
However, I don't want to argue. ♥I do handle things a bit more 'bull by the horns' XD, as I hope people will do with me. Faffa, for example, did not approach me in secret, she openly called me out in my video. I accepted it, gave her full credit and apologized. And I learned a lesson. This has happened often. Where I've left crucial info in my videos and I get raked over the coals for it. I try and be as proactive and understanding as possible.
I think the issue is perhaps how I perceive it. Just take responsibility. I can be very straightforward and to me, writing that comment should have been enough. Heck, the second comment thread would have given her enough of a chance to come clean. She blatantly pretended she hadn't done anything wrong, completely ignoring the fact she stole my video. If she had, at least acknowledged the situation, as I had done with Faffa, it would have been a lot better.
But really, this whole thing would have been avoided if she hadn't been stealing in the first place. Which is the crux of it, and why age is not really a factor for me. I perceive stealing as stealing. But again, I can be a bit harsh.
I sincerely appologise if I missed some of your points, I spot-read your last comment. I'll come back in a few days and check if I missed anything. I'm technically on a break XD But thanks for being reasonable and friendly, despite not agreeing! I always appreciate people who bring me different perspectives.♥
@@YTRattle I do think most of my points in my 2nd comments can be used to answer this again - so I’m not going to repeat myself a ton more.
I hear you, and of course - discussions are only interesting when both parts can handle it in a mature manner, otherwise it just becomes a mud-fight and that’s never fun.
Only thing I will repeat again, is that - yes, theft is theft - but there’s a reason why a minor doesn’t get the same punishment for theft as someone of legal age. Age should matter to you, I think that’s something I want to stay very firm on - you cannot hold minors accountable as adults (yes I know it turns out this person was legal, I’m just saying this as a response to your comment on age not being a big factor in theft and that you weren’t entirely confident of their age when making this video).
I hope you have a great break, and again - thank you for taking your time in responding to me!
If you’re concerned that a smaller creator stole your work the responsible thing to do would be to reach out to them and talk about it not make a video about publicly. (Unless you know she didn’t steal your content and you just want to create drama for the sake of content)
No. This creator stole from me Amelia, and, according to some sources from Kitty Spiderweb as well. I did speak to her, and then I learned she was stealing from others. No. Don't steal. Done.
@@YTRattle “I did not speak to her” … that’s the one thing I said you should have done.
Besides she released her video first. She didn’t steal, you should have talked to her instead of made a video bullying a smaller channel
@@collagenc.phosphate6666finally a mature youtube user in this comment section...
I did. I spoke to her. She unlisted the video and pretended nothing happened. As I showed. I didn't want to do this. But she was going back and forth on unilsting and privating videos, showing to me, at least, that this was not something she was going to stop. And the fact that she is now trying to shift blame to me, just proves to me that there is absolutely no hope here. She just has unprivate the video, and we will see the date.
@@YTRattle that was Waffle not spelcastor tho..
kids
I call sus
Personally im a little disappointed in your stance on this topic as there are many flaws and misconceptions in your argument. Firstly regarding spelcaster you shouldn't of called out the person showing their channel and name in this video. That gives off signals that you *want* people to go to their page and send hate even if you don't mean for it, every creator knows this, if you didn't want that you could have blurred their user like you did for the commentor but you didn't showing you want this person to get hate sent their way. Secondly from the looks of things this person is clearly a underage minor, kids are going to copy and mimic things they like its what they do. I could understand if she had truly copied you word from word but from watching she rephrased what you had said into her own words. Yes they are similar but not the same, its clear she took inspiration from your video and others and mashed it into her own video i see no malice in that. I feel quite sad because this person clearly looked up to you and for that they've now been unrightfully bashed and shamed for it. This person is young and doesn't need unrightful hate sent her way. Please remember your words have a more impact due to your channel size and people are going to go after this person now.
I'm seriously disappointed.
She is eighteen years old. She confirmed this in her own discord.
If she looked up to me, she would have said so when I first called her out instead of pirvating the video and pretending nothing happened.
If the material was not stolen she would have credited me.
She tried to slander my name by claiming I copied her. If she was a fan and 'looked up to me' that would not have been the response.
I specifically told people to no go after anyone in this video. As Moon and I made it clear with my Ambassador video.
You forget, I am not the only one she copied. She copied Amelia Dreambell, kitti spiderweb, and we have reasons to believe other people have also been copied.
And yes, it was basically identical. If you can't see that then I can't help you. I don't make excuses for people who blatantly steal work and pawn it off as their own.
Don't steal other people's work. End of story.
@@YTRattle You have no *real* conformation she is 18. Anyone can say they are 18 that doesn't mean they are unless they show ID proof. From the video and how she acts all i can say is she sounds underage to me.
Did she not praise you for commenting on her video before you took your negative stance on her? She clearly knew you and looked up to you.
When you confronted her about it she privated the videos? why are you mad at her for taking the videos down if that's what you wanted. She took accountability by removing those videos i don't see the problem here if she did as you asked.
It doesn't matter if you tell your audience to not go after someone in the video if you don't sensor the name. You cannot control everyone in your audience impressionable and defensive fans WILL attack this person regardless of what you say. You've started a witch hunt regardless. There's no defendable excuse for this and i will stand by what iv said.
I'm truly disappointed to see your immaturity here, you are the mature adult in this situation acting out without concern of others safety and privacy. I'm not going to defend your actions here I have my morals and I'm going to stand by them regardless of your attitude towards my criticism of this situation.
@@STANDBYSTANDBY She never acknowledged it, meaning she never took responsibility for what she did. You might not agree, but I do not agree that people who steal should be coddled and treated like wounded children. It is a deliberate action, as is stealing an apple, stealing a phone, or lying. The fact that she tried to discredit me only serves as further example that she had no intention of stopping. She also NEVER appologised. Sorry, you can defend her all you want, but her actions showcase someone who plagiarsed and didn't like getting caught. I've sent her an email, if she gets back, we can discuss it.
As for the age, the point is, she keeps changing her age. She did not sound underage to me, she sounded about 18, tbh. And really, how old do I sound to you? You can't really go on a voice.
What joke?
Idk about you but i feel this is all a little much going after smaller creators and sending hate their way for just copying. And is it just me or is rattle coming off a little mean entitled and bitter in the comment section idk this all seems kinda wrong to me 😢
Sorry, but the people concerned, whatever their age, need to be told, + need to learn, that it's not ok to do it 💜
it's upsetting when bigger content creators go after smaller content creators because they just so happened to have similar wording. it's apparent to how immature this video is when you didn't even TRY to reach out to spelcastor. you're a grown adult, act like it.
It's upsetting when hard work gets stolen.
EDIT: Also, I did. They privated the video and pretended nothing happened. As I showed in the video.
@@YTRattleshe privated the video because you sent her fans after her, allegedly
@@YTRattle you replied to a comment, but never personally contacted castor.
@@Emily_Bondevik_Official Then let her unprivate the video and prove that it was uploaded before mine.
@@ladzero I don't talk behind closed doors when people blatantly steal my work. The sad thing is because this community is so polite many, and I mean MANY, creators have their work stolen, copied and outright plagiarised with no credit given to the author. And because we talk behind closed doors, many of these plagairists will quietly slink away and do it again, because no one knows. Don't steal work. As bad as it is for me to call them out, it is even worse that they stole in the first place.