Joe Rogan on prime Mike Tyson possibly being the best Heavyweight of all time

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  • čas přidán 8. 09. 2024
  • From the RJE podcast #1778 with Joey Diaz

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  • @jameszbierski391
    @jameszbierski391  Před 2 lety +71

    Larry Holmes once said that he had taken single blows from many fighters much harder than Tyson. But, he had never known a boxer to hit him from so many different angles with such speed. And I think any boxer who has been KO’d it’s the one that you don’t see coming causes the most damage. That almost applies to everything in life doesn’t it? ha ha

    • @gregmcclung7497
      @gregmcclung7497 Před 2 lety +3

      Yup it's the speed and accuracy of the punches along with the massive power. His defense and iron chin get over looked as well

    • @martjollands4200
      @martjollands4200 Před 2 lety

      @Samarjith Vikram 🤣..like the punch of the first knockdown...

    • @GrabinGears
      @GrabinGears Před 2 lety

      @Samarjith Vikram 😆😆

    • @dominiquejones3805
      @dominiquejones3805 Před rokem

      Mike was a freak of nature

    • @matthiasgsenger8106
      @matthiasgsenger8106 Před rokem +1

      I don't belive Holmes, it was a statement intended to deny the deserved honour to his opponent, who made him flat in the 4th Round.
      Physics is against Holmes.
      The kinetic energy 'E' of a body is proportional to its mass and proportional to the square (!) of its velocity.
      So you double the speed you have 4 times more energy (in the Punches thrown on opponents :-)

  • @nitrorezz55
    @nitrorezz55 Před rokem +32

    The passion Joe has whenever he talk about Tyson is insane. Can see in his eyes how much he appreciate and respect Mike Tyson..

    • @robertmorley4506
      @robertmorley4506 Před rokem +1

      Rogan said he had to make his table wider after his first interview with Tyson...I think he feared for his life, and I don't blame him.

  • @michaelhopson6342
    @michaelhopson6342 Před 2 lety +783

    I always thought that prime Mike Tyson could beat any heavyweight in any era.

    • @kidusgebretensay7228
      @kidusgebretensay7228 Před 2 lety +34

      Hard to bet agaisn't Fury

    • @michaelhopson6342
      @michaelhopson6342 Před 2 lety +110

      @@kidusgebretensay7228 I'm a big Tyson Fury fan, but I think prime Mike Tyson wins. He would bob and weave, use footwork to get inside and slowly break down Fury.

    • @tyrandolph5465
      @tyrandolph5465 Před 2 lety +3

      I'm with u there bro

    • @sebastianblackfyre
      @sebastianblackfyre Před 2 lety +11

      Talent by talent, I think Muhammand Ali had speed, could adapt, and could endure punishment and return flurries. But if Cus D Amato or Rhooney he would diminish his weaknesses and increase his strengths

    • @1stNumberOne
      @1stNumberOne Před 2 lety +57

      @@kidusgebretensay7228 havent seen Fury fight anyone close to Mikes Speed or intensity..

  • @kennetheverett729
    @kennetheverett729 Před 2 lety +167

    Tyson’s footwork and movement was second to none. Watch his early fights and watch how he steps just offline and just out of the way of punches to deliver Jack hammers. Incredible

    • @jameszbierski391
      @jameszbierski391  Před 2 lety +4

      💯

    • @SJ-ty5rw
      @SJ-ty5rw Před 2 lety +14

      When he abandoned what Cus and Rooney , taught him you could see how much it showed in his fights . He could still get away with his brutal offense vs. average fighters and win ! but he no longer had the great defense he did before . Smart fighters like Holyfield , could see and time his "one" punch attacks coming . King brainwashed and ruined him as a fighter .

    • @TK-ev
      @TK-ev Před 2 lety +1

      @@SJ-ty5rw now that you mention it less focused Tyson did turn into Wilder but without the height and length to help cover his weaknesses

    • @junkybabes
      @junkybabes Před 2 lety +2

      Against nobodies

    • @matepavic6929
      @matepavic6929 Před 2 lety +1

      Ok, how many other fighters did you actually watch? His footwork and movement was great, but by no means "second to none".

  • @paulbravoreal1974
    @paulbravoreal1974 Před 2 lety +304

    Mike Tyson was frightening. How he fought was like nothing id seen. He was devastating. His presence in a ring instilled fear, not just in opponents but in TV viewers for what they were about to see.

    • @jameszbierski391
      @jameszbierski391  Před 2 lety +8

      The crazy part of it to his he’s a really small heavyweight. I’m 5’8 and when I stood next to him he wasn’t much taller

    • @redskywalker3374
      @redskywalker3374 Před 2 lety

      Joe's knees got so dirty in this clip Ha !~

    • @boojooo2340
      @boojooo2340 Před 2 lety

      That's because you hadn't watched anything prior to 1970.

    • @kirkquintero3893
      @kirkquintero3893 Před 2 lety +2

      U dnt know wtf your talk about

    • @rogerc23
      @rogerc23 Před 2 lety

      BS. Yeah he was amazing but Razor Ruddock knocked the shit Out of prime Tyson in two fights. Granted neither were ever the same after but if you weren’t American you weren’t terrified of him. Same for Frank Bruno.

  • @rayanamer2999
    @rayanamer2999 Před 2 lety +51

    Joe is so talented.
    His way of articulating words and process it into his mind to deliver ideas is fascinating and interesting!

    • @clon76
      @clon76 Před 8 měsíci

      I love your sarcasm lol

  • @TheRealTomahawk
    @TheRealTomahawk Před 2 lety +93

    Jimmy Jacobs was or is considered the greatest handball player of all time he also owned the largest collection of boxing film in the world. He owns and sought for the rarest boxing films of all time. They have boxing film from Thomas Edison

    • @NoOne-zm4rb
      @NoOne-zm4rb Před 2 lety

      Oh.

    • @tomo24
      @tomo24 Před 2 lety +1

      Ivano Balic is goat of handball

    • @sal4856
      @sal4856 Před 2 lety +1

      played handball until 50,great workout and mind fixing game ,mano on mano,

  • @arlenvandersmagt5560
    @arlenvandersmagt5560 Před 2 lety +35

    Best description of how good Tyson was. When people say guys like Tyson Fury are better, it’s just rubbish. Prime Tyson was a different animal. He would be way too fast , elusive and powerful for Fury…no doubt!

    • @GoGetYourShinebox
      @GoGetYourShinebox Před 2 lety +1

      Yeah Fury would find it hard to land his jab with a guy with Tyson's head movement. But there were a couple of fighters that went the distance with prime Mike by sticking and moving

    • @jalanit
      @jalanit Před 2 lety +1

      There is a reason why Tyson Fury is named 'Tyson' Fury. 😅

    • @joshuajomy8921
      @joshuajomy8921 Před 2 lety +1

      Fury is like a foot taller, there is a reason why there are weight classes in boxing. They should really make a superheavy weight class for people like Tyson fury.

    • @arlenvandersmagt5560
      @arlenvandersmagt5560 Před 2 lety

      @@joshuajomy8921 yes , but Tyson fought taller guys and won…guys like him and Jlitsko and stuff are too slow

    • @joshuajomy8921
      @joshuajomy8921 Před 2 lety +1

      @@arlenvandersmagt5560 he fought guys that are like 6’3 or 6’4 fury is 6’9 that has way more skills then all the tall fighters mike Tyson fought. Listen I like Mike Tyson too but you have to be real, there is not much mike Tyson could do to beat fury

  • @rg8071
    @rg8071 Před 2 lety +13

    Man, I loved hearing Joe's passion while he told Mike Tyson's story.

  • @ShareefusMaximus
    @ShareefusMaximus Před 2 lety +117

    Cus used to have a term for standing in front of a fighter where he could hit you, "laying in the middle." Cus wanted his boxers to move to their opponents sides as they hit them. After Cus died you could see Mike laying in the middle too much. He got away with it for a while. He also left the neck conditioning Cus made him do to help his chin. Mike under Cus was undefeatable.

    • @jameszbierski391
      @jameszbierski391  Před 2 lety +39

      Agreed but I think if he stayed with Kevin Rooney he would have stayed on track. With Rooney he won the title and 88 when Rooney left, in my opinion that’s when Mike’s prime left him too.

    • @paintballer13377
      @paintballer13377 Před 2 lety

      Did cus make any other great fighters?

    • @Bobby.2000
      @Bobby.2000 Před 2 lety +2

      @@jameszbierski391 Tyson won the title in 86. Then unified the title in 87. Do you mean became undisputed in 88?

    • @kickflipacat1078
      @kickflipacat1078 Před 2 lety +10

      @@paintballer13377 he trained floyd patterson who was the youngest heavyweight champion before iron mike

    • @jameszbierski391
      @jameszbierski391  Před 2 lety +10

      @@Bobby.2000 I just mean his prime ended when Rooney left in 88. 89 think he had two more fights then lost to Buster, then went to Jail not long after. The slide was pretty fast once King took over. By the time he fought Holyfield he didn’t move anywhere near as well

  • @HECKSTER69
    @HECKSTER69 Před 2 lety +13

    This gave me the chills listening to this , I remember watching those years of Mike in his prime .. What a beast 💪

  • @robbielenormand4151
    @robbielenormand4151 Před 2 lety +15

    Absolutely love Tyson, no one will be remembered like him no matter what anyone thinks he was an is still is phenomenal

  • @not0468
    @not0468 Před 2 lety +14

    Technique
    Conditioning
    Physique
    Boxing knowledge
    Influences
    The being that is Mike Tyson
    Boxing's most ferocious champion ever.

  • @niteriderband4713
    @niteriderband4713 Před 2 lety +43

    I agree 100%, Tyson was the best heavyweight. His power was so devastating.

    • @sal4856
      @sal4856 Před 2 lety +1

      you must be under 50 lol

    • @chitoyk8o554
      @chitoyk8o554 Před 2 lety

      @@sal4856 Nah you’re just ignorant

    • @sukottoshinobe7360
      @sukottoshinobe7360 Před rokem

      @@sal4856 and if your over 50 your biased and don’t understand modern fighters Tyson was easily the best heavyweight. Maybe not the best “boxer” be he was too strong and quick for anyone to stop when surrounded by ropes

  • @davidb-h6709
    @davidb-h6709 Před 2 lety +16

    The Ali that fought Ezra Cleveland was unbeatable. After feeling out Cleveland in round 1, watch Ali's immaculate footwork, use of range, and speed. Untouchable and superb.

    • @DoggieNYC
      @DoggieNYC Před 2 lety +5

      @@idkmyd Wishful thinking.

    • @CommonG
      @CommonG Před 2 lety +2

      @@DoggieNYC Prime tyson vs prime Ali i really do thing Tyson wins, dude was just so hungry and being able to shift all that anger from his childhood into movement, power, speed - truly unbeatable.

    • @DoggieNYC
      @DoggieNYC Před 2 lety +3

      @@CommonG I'm not saying he couldn't beat Ali in his prime, I think he could have. But what do we base it on ? Ali was every bit as talented as Tyson, was a top fighter for longer and Ali's mental fortitude and gamesmanship surpassed anything Tyson offered. I could easily see Ali teaching Tyson a lesson as he did many other big punching fighters. Ali was never knocked out, so is Tyson that guy ? Tyson ain't winning a decision over Ali right ? So Tyson would have to do something to a fighter, every bit as fast as him, that noone else was able to do. Its an interesting debate.

    • @CommonG
      @CommonG Před 2 lety

      @@DoggieNYC Greatly worded, it really is a ‘what if’ debate - two boxing giants going at it in their prime, if only.

    • @duanehamilton6194
      @duanehamilton6194 Před 2 lety

      I think Tyson furry could beat either of them he's 6'9 280 lbs and can box he's a nightmare match up for any past heavyweight

  • @robertpadillosandiego2821
    @robertpadillosandiego2821 Před 2 lety +14

    When prime Mike Tyson entered the ring,you generally feared for the life of his opponent. You generally thought, is this the time that he’s going to kill somebody in the ring. Prime tyson was that frightening

    • @DoggieNYC
      @DoggieNYC Před 2 lety +1

      I didn't feel that way. I often was worried maybe this is the fight Mike gets beat before he gets to unify the title.

    • @babyjesus1056
      @babyjesus1056 Před 2 lety

      @@DoggieNYC you weren’t alive

    • @DoggieNYC
      @DoggieNYC Před 2 lety +1

      @@babyjesus1056 Oh, yes I was. Watched Tyson on free TV. Saturday afternoons on "Wide World of Sports" before anyone knew who he was.. do you know what that show is ? Probably not right ? I was huge Tyson fan from jump, who wasn't. But when he let his corner go it was a rap, I knew it, anyone who knew a lick about boxing knew it...And yes there were plenty of fights that I hoped would just be over so we could get to the next one. If you didn't feel that way than you probably weren't alive. There was now garauntees. Hind sight is always 20/20.

  • @chairmanmiaow822
    @chairmanmiaow822 Před 2 lety +4

    His autobiography is excellent.
    It’s great to see him become such a wise owl and find peace in himself and in his life.
    Ur an inspiration to anyone who has struggled.

  • @anthonybanton1415
    @anthonybanton1415 Před 2 lety +2

    Anyone who knows about boxing, knows that Prime Mike was the most dangerous boxer of all time. No boxer could handle that smoke

  • @prednosttrake
    @prednosttrake Před 2 lety +9

    I was impressed that Joey did not say a single word during Joe's monolog.

  • @jordangroff8978
    @jordangroff8978 Před 2 lety +3

    I agree with Joe, 86-88 Tyson would beat any heavyweight in their prime, even prime Ali.

  • @unclephillymya
    @unclephillymya Před 2 lety +7

    Mike was killing machine literally

  • @6ixbund462
    @6ixbund462 Před 2 lety +7

    I was born in 1988 , around 5 years old i heard this Tyson name around and see kids at school saying this name and copy all these moves , I discovered this man later on hes the best boxer I’ve ever seen and FIRST time ive seen human done what he did .

  • @Bu-Aljoory
    @Bu-Aljoory Před 2 lety +5

    He was so complete in his prime that even if you throw him in a colosseum as a gladiator nobody would stop him. He break opponents in the staredown when ever the opponent shy away with his eyes he knew he got him.

  • @DylanJDeals
    @DylanJDeals Před 2 lety +2

    It was the confidence he got from Cus too, that was the key. Makes me cry when I watch them together sometimes , you can see the reaction in Mikes face when Cus says “he gives me a reason to go on”

  • @Niko-dc1wp
    @Niko-dc1wp Před rokem +3

    I love how while Joe is talking we can hear Joey heavily breathimg 🤣🤣🤣

  • @pokefrosch617
    @pokefrosch617 Před 2 lety +3

    I wish somebody would love me the way Joe loves Mike....

  • @onthe4572
    @onthe4572 Před 2 lety +13

    I agree with alot of what Joe says. It's the old question, what would happen if a prime Tyson fought a prime Ali? We'll never know really, but I do know that the Tyson who beat Spinks in 88, very, very few heavyweights in history could have lived with him that night.

    • @DoggieNYC
      @DoggieNYC Před 2 lety +3

      A 1967 Ali vs a 1987 Mike Tyson would be a sight to see. Either could win. But if they fought more than ounce, Tysons odds would decrease in the rematches IMO.

    • @Dancestudent08
      @Dancestudent08 Před 2 lety +1

      @@DoggieNYC Best answer.

    • @DoggieNYC
      @DoggieNYC Před 2 lety

      @@susiederkins6612 What fighter as good as Ali did Tyson ever beat ? None. And who ever stopped Ali ? Noone. Odss are against Mike.

    • @DoggieNYC
      @DoggieNYC Před 2 lety

      @@susiederkins6612 Okay. Do you.

    • @DoggieNYC
      @DoggieNYC Před 2 lety

      @@susiederkins6612 Have something to add ? 🤔

  • @chadchesney3858
    @chadchesney3858 Před rokem +2

    Most perfect fighter ever. 85-88. No one has ever had that combo of speed and POWER. Perfect fighter.

  • @Dave-tz3qn
    @Dave-tz3qn Před 2 lety +4

    Every now and again history throws out these incredible people ...from great musicians...poets ...scientists...painters ...whatever it may be ...and yeah most definitely Tyson was one of these incredible people ...its only when you watch his old fights we remember just how good he was...

    • @Outland9000
      @Outland9000 Před 2 lety

      Absolutely. It's not even a 'once in a generation' thing. It's an ultra rarefied occurrence.

  • @shapursasan9019
    @shapursasan9019 Před 2 lety +33

    100% correct -- at his prime; meaning while he was still with the Cus D'Amato camp/Kevin Rooney he was invincible -- and he would have remained invincible if he'd not left his boxing family for that snake Don King. His downfall began then.

    • @paintballer13377
      @paintballer13377 Před 2 lety +6

      And Rhona rousey is the greatest boxer of all time.

    • @jameszbierski391
      @jameszbierski391  Před 2 lety

      Yeah man once Rooney left in 88 was all down hill

    • @user-dd7pq2to3o
      @user-dd7pq2to3o Před 2 lety

      @@paintballer13377 could have beaten Mayweather sir, brings a tear to my eye *sniff

    • @hiro6406
      @hiro6406 Před 2 lety

      @@paintballer13377 nah mcgreggor was the greatest, he survived 10 rounds with the greatest boxer ever to live who is mayweather

    • @stevebb2915
      @stevebb2915 Před 2 lety

      nonsense. no fighter is invincible. when are people gonna learn this?

  • @Englandsbestlover
    @Englandsbestlover Před 2 lety +6

    I’ve always said that about Tyson. An absolute beast in and out of the ring

  • @smokemapleinc2412
    @smokemapleinc2412 Před 2 lety +2

    Joe, NOBODY can compare with Mike. To be the best fighter you need power, speed, aggressiveness, and you need to defend. Mike had it all, show me any other fighter who had that special combination

  • @Riles3152
    @Riles3152 Před 2 lety +51

    I do agree that if Tyson would’ve kept the right people in his life especially when he became the youngest heavyweight champion of all time, And if Don King would’ve never gotten close to Tyson, he most likely would have become the Michael Jordan or the Tiger Woods of boxing, not just in terms of God gifted ability, because that was already apparent, but in terms of the body of work. With that said, the fighters that gave Tyson the most issues, even in his early prime, we’re fighters that were bigger and weren’t intimidated or afraid of him. Most of the fights that Tyson won were already won before the bell rang for the first round. That’s how intimidating he was. I think prime Larry Holmes would’ve given Tyson problems. I think Lennox Lewis would have given Tyson problems even if Tyson was in his prime. Holyfield would’ve given Tyson all that he could handle. Tyson Fury would have had the physical and mental tools to deal with Mike, and Ali would have had the ability to outbox Mike and would have tried to play all type of mind games with Mike like he did Sonny Liston. Tyson was if anything the most gifted heavyweight of all time, but I don’t think he was the greatest nor unbeatable.

    • @sarezhsharif7564
      @sarezhsharif7564 Před 2 lety +10

      I love the analysis that's amazingly put...however, I'd still take that prime pitbull Tyson over anyone who ever boxed. His ferociousness was teriffying inside and outside the ring.

    • @stevebb2915
      @stevebb2915 Před 2 lety +3

      shoulda woulda coulda. never has there been a fighter in history that more excuses have been made for.

    • @anormalguy9346
      @anormalguy9346 Před 2 lety +1

      Tyson Fury? Really?

    • @larrycourtney8893
      @larrycourtney8893 Před 2 lety

      Tyson would have smashed Fury, decapitated him

    • @sal4856
      @sal4856 Před 2 lety +1

      @@sarezhsharif7564 nobody knows, great great fighters of yesteryear never get their respect ,when the game was way more brutal

  • @herecomesaregular8418
    @herecomesaregular8418 Před rokem +1

    I'm no fighter, but I used to spar a lot when I was younger, and one thing I learned that I always think about when I think of Tyson, is the advantage of being a little shorter than your opponent *if* you know how to use it. Everyone talks about range and arm length and all that comes with being a tall fighter, but with a trained shorter guy, just the tiniest dip and they disappear. Like they're in your line of sight one second, they dip, and for that brief moment they're gone. They can close the space, get some body shots in, get in your guard for a nice uppercut. And if they're stout on top of it like Tyson. Low center of gravity, good stance and posture. Head and body movement. They're hard to keep track of.

  • @DanielLopez-pu4hx
    @DanielLopez-pu4hx Před 2 lety +11

    I always remember being scared for the person he was fighting. I couldn’t believe someone would get in the ring with him.

    • @sal4856
      @sal4856 Před 2 lety

      rocky marciano would have motioned him to the center of the ring , afraid? lol lol

  • @evangelodippolito394
    @evangelodippolito394 Před 2 lety +2

    We will never see anyone like mike Tyson again. The 80s was insane if it was now a days everybody would be all over his social media 24/7 as he was popular in the news 24/7.

  • @EmilozAGF
    @EmilozAGF Před 2 lety +11

    I love when Joe rogan talks about tyson, lmao he really means it from the heart

    • @user-dd7pq2to3o
      @user-dd7pq2to3o Před 2 lety

      Doesn't make any of it true

    • @ehseagle08
      @ehseagle08 Před 2 lety

      @@user-dd7pq2to3o that’s not what the comment said, but go ahead and enlighten us with the truth

    • @user-dd7pq2to3o
      @user-dd7pq2to3o Před 2 lety

      @@ehseagle08 the truth is Rogan is casual. Tyson wasn't the best heavyweight of his era let alone all time

    • @EmilozAGF
      @EmilozAGF Před 2 lety +1

      a fucking destrooooyer man!! DESTRUCTIVE, PRECISE
      Joey Diaz: Strooooooong.... STROOOONG

    • @_good_for.
      @_good_for. Před 2 lety +1

      @@user-dd7pq2to3o but his dominance was outstanding, greatest heavyweight is Mike Tyson but the greatest boxer is someone in different weight,
      Tyson's iQ was the goat no one like him
      Tyson will always be stopping on every other champion
      Smartest of em all cus RIP
      Joe Rogan is not a casual sir
      Sorry to counter you 🙏

  • @jesse9710
    @jesse9710 Před 2 lety +1

    Joe: 3,5 minute speech full of passion naming different aspects of mike tyson's greatness, expaining in detail why he's (a) goat
    joey: *There's just some people*

  • @noelrobin8674
    @noelrobin8674 Před 2 lety +7

    Tyson was what every fighter deep inside wants to be,a god of war.

    • @EyeTunz
      @EyeTunz Před 2 lety

      Hahaha. Hmmm hello. Most fighters don’t dream of getting their ads kicked over and over again.

  • @gs2496
    @gs2496 Před 2 lety +1

    Damn Joe knows more about Mike on a personal level than most people. I recognize that when he spoke about how vulnerable he was as a child is very deep and there is truth that only a few people would know

  • @duncanwilson2926
    @duncanwilson2926 Před 2 lety +29

    We'll never know, but personally I think prime Ali beats prime Tyson. Just think about who Ali fought and beat, and how he beat Liston and Foreman - both terrifying boxers - with a combination of speed, dexterity, timing, courage, and unbelievable fight IQ. Most of Tyson's opponents were beaten before they stepped in the ring, but Ali would not have been intimidated and I think he would have frustrated Tyson into making mistakes, and punished those.

    • @daveyboy_
      @daveyboy_ Před 2 lety +2

      Ali never fought anyone with Tysons speed , power and defense

    • @lancy9110
      @lancy9110 Před 2 lety +1

      In my opinion there would be very little chance Ali would survive the early rounds with Tyson in his prime.. just the difference between Mike and anyone Ali fought is so different.. absolutely love Ali tho 👍🏽

    • @coreygolphenee9633
      @coreygolphenee9633 Před 2 lety +4

      @@daveyboy_ Sonny liston was Mike tyson with George foremans arms and he beat the brakes off him people forget that the prime Ali was lost to the world

    • @coreygolphenee9633
      @coreygolphenee9633 Před 2 lety +1

      @@lancy9110 people forget that actually physical prime Ali is a hypothetical because he sat in jail during that, and people also under rate how ridiculous sonny liston was, although stylistically a much different match due to his once in a lifetime set of arms for someone his build but liston smashed everyone they through in front of him for the better part of 15 years and Ali tap danced around him and the rest is history.

    • @daveyboy_
      @daveyboy_ Před 2 lety

      @@coreygolphenee9633 Sonny Liston didnt have Tysons speed .

  • @marksutherlandjr.2121
    @marksutherlandjr.2121 Před 2 lety +1

    I get so fucking fired up listening to Joe talk about Prime Mike.

  • @hoochymama
    @hoochymama Před 2 lety +4

    Fun fact, Jim Jacobs was also a World Handball Champ multiple times.

    • @joseph1980.
      @joseph1980. Před 2 lety

      Sports Illuatrated call him "the best athlete ever" haha

  • @paulbaker9434
    @paulbaker9434 Před rokem +1

    Mike Tyson in 87 was a total machine he would have smashed any fighter past or current day and that's a fact

  • @doc1672
    @doc1672 Před 2 lety +2

    Well said Joe I try and explain this to people Mike 1986-1990 NOBODY wanted none of Mike believe that 💯

    • @pycellesbeard9728
      @pycellesbeard9728 Před 2 lety +1

      Holyfield did.

    • @doc1672
      @doc1672 Před 2 lety

      Wanting to fight someone and being able to beat them at their best is two different things I've even heard Holyfield and Lenox Luis say at certain points in there Career that they weren't ready for Tyson go back and watch the interviews

  • @michaelarchangel1514
    @michaelarchangel1514 Před 2 lety +2

    There will never be another
    Mike Tyson Best ever

  • @smokemapleinc2412
    @smokemapleinc2412 Před 2 lety +1

    I totally agree, Mike Tyson was the most special boxer of ALL TIME !!!!!

  • @Priceluked
    @Priceluked Před 2 lety +5

    It's a cliche but the Tyson that destroyed the great Michael Spinks would have had a good chance of beating Tyson Fury or whoever was put in front of him, didn't matter who.

    • @dajosee
      @dajosee Před 2 lety

      He might have had a shot at beating Buster Douglas, but reality warps chance

    • @Priceluked
      @Priceluked Před 2 lety

      @@dajosee Very true, which is why Tyson was really good but isn't one of the all time greats.

  • @benyaffe5389
    @benyaffe5389 Před 2 lety +1

    Born and raised Brockton Ma, so unlike everyone else. I’ll never forget about the great Rocky Marciano.

  • @abe1sapien
    @abe1sapien Před 2 lety +3

    Tyson in his prime gives anyone in history a hard time, but I still can’t call him the best ever. It’s way too hard to come up with a definite answer though.

    • @Raughwe
      @Raughwe Před 2 lety

      I think styles are these weird damn things... Tyson is my favorite, but so is Foreman. Old guard? Marciano. Who wins? We do!!! We have the tapes, baby!!!

  • @tt-im3nd
    @tt-im3nd Před 2 lety +1

    Mike Tyson with Kevin Rooney was Nuclear.

  • @doposud
    @doposud Před 2 lety +3

    If you have seen Mike at fights where he is 15 years old , did you ever questioned yourself ? how can person look like this at 15
    the will you need to have to at that early age be the first at gym and last at gym

  • @freespeechisdead1565
    @freespeechisdead1565 Před 2 lety +2

    What Joe is saying is very true. The Mike Tyson that went up against Evander Holyfield and Lennox Luis was a flat footed Tyson that took punches right on the chin without moving. Prime Mike constantly bobbed his head and shifted his feet moving off line for defense and to set up combos. At some point he stopped doing his drills and absolutely refused to do cardio (running, jogging, jump-rope) and only wanted to do bags and sparring, so he stopped moving his head around. I suspect he also stopped watching old film, and I strongly suspect he stopped scouting his opponents or watching film on them. There is a clear shift in his career where he was either very distracted, confused, or lost his passion, or all of the above.

    • @jameszbierski391
      @jameszbierski391  Před 2 lety +2

      Yeah I’m my opinion 86-88 is his prime. Once Rooney left in 88 there’s a really quick drop off in ability. Had like two more fights in 89 then lost to Buster then was off to jail not much longer after that. He was done at that point. Just a testament to how well trained and natural abilities that he was still one of the best in the world and really was only a shell of his former self

    • @tbolin25
      @tbolin25 Před 2 lety +4

      @@jameszbierski391 The Ali of 1973 was NOT the fleet footed, lightening fast boxing machine who beat Liston, Quarry, Ellis, Williams, etc., but he did go on to beat Frazier, Foreman, Norton, Shavers, Lyle, Quarry etc. So, please, stop with the Tyson excuse making!!

  • @chrisrutherfurd9338
    @chrisrutherfurd9338 Před 2 lety +4

    90s Tyson, post prison, was still amazing but a depletion of his former ring-self. Yet he could still destroy opponents, other than Evander. But by then he seemed to be doing it for others and not himself.

    • @jameszbierski391
      @jameszbierski391  Před 2 lety +2

      Copied and pasted from a previous reply.
      I actually re watched the Holyfield 2 fight a few days ago and he’s head movement and setting up punches was no where near the same as 86 to say 88 prime Tyson. Once Kevin Rooney left it was down hill from there. And like you said add three years in prison and drugs ect he was %75 at best of what he used to be.

    • @chrisrutherfurd9338
      @chrisrutherfurd9338 Před 2 lety +2

      @@jameszbierski391 right on, the Evander 2 fight was also a head butt match Tyson was losing. Evander kind of got what he deserved as far as I'm concerned.

    • @jameszbierski391
      @jameszbierski391  Před 2 lety +1

      @@chrisrutherfurd9338 yeah man he was fighting real dirty and I guess Mike had enough. Picked up a big framed bite fight poster with two signed 16 oz gloves from that fight. Looks epic up on the wall

    • @chrisrutherfurd9338
      @chrisrutherfurd9338 Před 2 lety +1

      @@jameszbierski391 wow, very cool!

    • @jameszbierski391
      @jameszbierski391  Před 2 lety +1

      @@chrisrutherfurd9338 cheers mate 👍🏻👍🏻

  • @rohw0016
    @rohw0016 Před 2 lety +1

    I still remember how special that time was and I was like 3 in 1988.
    Parents plop me in front or close to TV lol 🤦‍♂️
    I could hear what the older ppl in the room would say about him and it imprinted on me.

  • @grandpaabundy6145
    @grandpaabundy6145 Před 2 lety +7

    Prime Mike was hands down one of the most skilled destructive forces in heavyweight boxing history! A true anomaly! When he was on, he could beat absolutely anyone! Rogan broke it down, perfectly!

  • @dominiquejones3805
    @dominiquejones3805 Před rokem +1

    Joe nailed it, it's about match-ups. Mike is n the convo 4 sho

  • @antoinemantoux6049
    @antoinemantoux6049 Před 2 lety +12

    He’s right, no fighter in history can beat 80’s tyson. 90´s tyson wasn’t the same cause obviously when you spend 3 years not fighting and doing drugs it affects your reflexes, his defense wasn’t the same after prison he was getting hit a lot more

    • @jameszbierski391
      @jameszbierski391  Před 2 lety +3

      I actually re watched the Holyfield 2 fight a few days ago and he’s head movement and setting up punches was no where near the same as 86 to say 88 prime Tyson. Once Kevin Rooney left it was down hill from there. And like you said add three years in prison and drugs ect he was %75 at best of what he used to be.

    • @edwardhosmer5726
      @edwardhosmer5726 Před 2 lety +2

      @@jameszbierski391 for the record his conviction was bogus and Don King took advantage of him as well. When Domatto died he lost his guidance, and his father figure

    • @david_fitzmaurice
      @david_fitzmaurice Před 2 lety +1

      Lewis would of beaten him no doubt.

    • @jameszbierski391
      @jameszbierski391  Před 2 lety

      @@edwardhosmer5726 yeah I definitely agree with that. I mean she go’s to Mikes room in the middle of the night then cry’s rape. Just seams off.

    • @jessossenkopp
      @jessossenkopp Před 2 lety

      In boxing yeah. But I’m confident that the modern heavyweight MMA would strategically avoid standing with Tyson and that fight would be more about grappling.
      We throw 80’s Tyson and Ngannou in a room and only one leaves alive, I simply can’t put my money on Tyson.

  • @a.m8878
    @a.m8878 Před 2 měsíci

    Tyson from 85 and 91 is the deadliest, most brutal death machine ever. Guy drank blood and chewed flesh. Baddest mdfk ever

  • @paulcastle3171
    @paulcastle3171 Před 2 lety +6

    Agree completely with Joe here. In those years which he refers to as ‘prime Tyson’ I maintain there’s no heavyweight of any era that beats him. He was a wrecking ball of a fighter. Explosive power, incredible movement, iron will, impregnable defence and perhaps most importantly….speed. I’ve watched boxing for forty years and that version of Tyson is the best I’ve ever seen.

    • @EyeTunz
      @EyeTunz Před 2 lety +2

      Except for any other great from his era that he faced and got destroyed by. Haha. What the hell? Do people actually watch the fights??

    • @DoggieNYC
      @DoggieNYC Před 2 lety

      Except he looked that way vs fighters that were not all time HW greats except Holmes. There were far lesser fighters that went the distance with Mike in his prime. so how do we say a truly great fighter couldnt.

    • @michaelhourigan2599
      @michaelhourigan2599 Před 2 lety

      Never even saw prime ali

    • @derek9153
      @derek9153 Před 2 lety

      @@EyeTunz You completely missed the point Joe was making. The key words are “when Mike was in his prime”. Mike was NOT in his prime when he lost to those other great boxers.

    • @martjollands4200
      @martjollands4200 Před 2 lety +1

      True story....you've summed it up exactly, a wrecking ball that destroys all challengers. All the 'styles' people talk about, Mike Tyson blasts through them all, he was indomitable in his prime. I wouldn't even bet against him if he fought Tyson Fury right now, after watching him toy with Roy Jones jnr.

  • @G02372
    @G02372 Před 11 měsíci +1

    I’m currently reading “Iron Ambition:Lessons I’ve learned from the Man who made me a champion. What a great, page turning book. I am struggling to put it down. Mike and Cus’ stories are incredible 🥊

    • @jameszbierski391
      @jameszbierski391  Před 11 měsíci +1

      I’ll have to check it out. Thanks for the suggestion

  • @imdowninthevalley9486
    @imdowninthevalley9486 Před 2 lety +6

    Love Mike and interesting but don't completely agree. He was the most dominant fighter for a time but didn't match up well with long armed jabbers who weren't intimidated. He is a time period great but wouldn't have beaten Holyfied or Lewis even if they were all in their prime. Unfortunately we only got to see them matchup later in their careers.

    • @pycellesbeard9728
      @pycellesbeard9728 Před 2 lety +1

      Facts.

    • @Petterson2
      @Petterson2 Před 2 lety

      Actually Holyfield himself said (I think in Mike's own interview) that he didn't really believe in his chances until Rooney was fired. After that, Holyfield said, Tyson would become much more predictable and he knew he could win the fight. It's no one else's fault really but it's true that Mike was his best self for a very short period of time.

  • @ScaleCrawling
    @ScaleCrawling Před 2 měsíci

    Rogan shows he's got the knowledge and wit to see Tyson's greatness from a wider and more accurate perspective. So many people online says Tyson was overrated. But it's not that he was overrated, it's just that his prime was very short because of a long list of reasons. We who were alive and were teens or even adults back then, and followed his carreer and saw his life and carreer fall to pieces bit by bit - we understand this bigger picture. People who are ignorant will simply say "Tyson lost to Holyfield and therefore this means that Holyfield was better than Tyson ever was", when in fact this was a very different circumstance in Tyson's life, when he was broken as a person and athlete.

  • @NorthWalesKid
    @NorthWalesKid Před 2 lety +4

    For me Rocky Marciano was the greatest heavyweight champion of all time.
    It wasn’t just the punishment he could dish out, but the punishment he could take.
    He won every championship fight by knockout, and won 43 of his 49 fights by ko.
    Marciano is and always will be the greatest of all time

    • @EyeTunz
      @EyeTunz Před 2 lety

      He’s definitely better than Tyson that’s for sure. Just like most others.

    • @DoggieNYC
      @DoggieNYC Před 2 lety

      You can make a better case for Rock than Mike.

    • @watermarginramsgate180
      @watermarginramsgate180 Před 2 lety

      @@DoggieNYC nope marciano ducked young up coming fighters most of his life wins or against fighters not in their prime and for that era he never had a lot of fights

    • @DoggieNYC
      @DoggieNYC Před 2 lety

      @@watermarginramsgate180 All legit criticism. I don't know about ducking young fighters, if that was the case everyone was ducking them because there isn't a guy of note that I know that people say Rocky should have fought. If Rocky not champ, who is ? But the fact remains that the strength of competition wasn't there to call Rocky the greatest just like Holmes and Tyson. Biggest hole in the resume.

    • @omarkiyani1389
      @omarkiyani1389 Před 2 lety +1

      What a joke! Marciano was a 5 foot 9 inch, 180 pound midget who would have been destroyed by all of the top 10 fighters that Ali destroyed!!! Marciano had stubby arms, and a style that was made to be massacred by many, Ali for sure.

  • @Khalidsvt101
    @Khalidsvt101 Před 2 lety +2

    tyson with kevin rooney was the all time great !

  • @pinkydavis6113
    @pinkydavis6113 Před 2 lety +3

    If the two met at their peak, Ali was tailor made for Tyson. That fight would have been an easy night for Mike.

  • @james87367
    @james87367 Před 2 lety +2

    What about Rocky Marciano? He always gets slept on.

  • @MrBeavis84
    @MrBeavis84 Před 2 lety +3

    Tyson was a scary dude but I don't think he could have beat a Prime Ali. Ali had amazing footwork speed and stamina. I also think that Ali was a smarter fighter and had more heart. Tyson would have to win by the 5th round against Ali.

  • @6ixbund462
    @6ixbund462 Před 2 lety +1

    This man knows how to explain shit truthfully

  • @ighfee
    @ighfee Před 2 lety +3

    I remember an interview where he was asked what his best asset was. He said my elusiveness. He said nothing about his power.
    Examples, Mitch Green, Reggie Gross, those guys unloaded combos with Mike standing right in front of them and he slipped them all.
    I'll say it till the day I die, Mike was the best there ever was. The only heavyweight I can think of that would give 86 Tyson problems is Sonny Liston.

  • @samuelL.mackin
    @samuelL.mackin Před 2 lety +1

    Mike Tyson in his prime was a perfect fighting machine. A fuckin Gladiator!!!

  • @llg3pe
    @llg3pe Před 2 lety +3

    If it was a pure technical boxing match that went the distance - Ali
    If it was a brawl lasting a few rounds - Tyson

  • @WallTrapMedia
    @WallTrapMedia Před 2 lety

    Put this into perspective. The '80s were a Golden Era in sports and sports entertainment period. You had names like Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Carl Lewis, Walter Payton, Nolan Ryan, Bo Jackson, Lawrence Taylor, Hulk Hogan, Andre the Giant, Macho Man Randy Savage, etc...But at his apex Tyson was the biggest name in sports, by the time Mike Tyson's Punch-Out game came out on Nintendo in 1987 the only person on the planet whose popularity probably rivaled Mike Tyson was Michael Jackson. That game alone sold 2 million copies. The only other NES game to accomplish that kind of feat was the Legend of Zelda. That's how big Tyson was but it was the Legend of Iron Mike. Tyson was even bigger than Jordan. When Buster Douglas beat Tyson it was like the whole world stopped. I was a 10-year-old kid and I remember from 0 to 10 the two most shocking moments in my life were the explosion of the Space Shuttle Challenger in 86 and Tyson being KO'd in 1990. But from 1985 until 1990, no athlete was probably that big. Maybe Jordan from 1990 to 98. But nobody else.

  • @mo_reefy
    @mo_reefy Před 2 lety +1

    What a beautiful ode to one of the greatest of all time if not The greatest of all time.

  • @bennylevine387
    @bennylevine387 Před 2 lety +3

    Joe tries with boxing history and I appreciate the effort. But we are all guilty of mythologizing our youth. Super old guys who might remember Joe Louis think he's the best. People who grew up in the sixties and seventies think it was Ali. And now guys in their forties and fifties think it's Tyson. But it can't be Tyson. You can't by definition be the greatest when you lose every signature fight after Spinks. And this whole prime thing carries less water when the guys who beat Mike in all those big fights were all older than he was. And it's cute how all these people try to isolate Mike's prime, but won't afford that luxury to other fighters. When those guys lose, they just lose. With Mike, it's oh his head wasn't right, he went to Jail, Don King, Robin Givens, etc. And these Tyson apologists end up with this no-lose argument they think they have when it's all lose because saying he was the best is just stamping your forehead with forever casual status.

  • @underballbutter
    @underballbutter Před 2 lety

    It's just Undeniable. There will be noone better.

  • @TheRealTomahawk
    @TheRealTomahawk Před 2 lety +9

    From what I heard Cassius Clay brought in the big money to boxing. And that reminds me of his poem: I am the Greatest. In it he says, “Then someone with color and someone with dash, brought fight fans a-runnin’ with cash”. Although Floyd Patterson made more money than Cassius Clay in their careers.

    • @socialroi2673
      @socialroi2673 Před 2 lety +14

      His name is Muhammad Ali.

    • @Grilbot
      @Grilbot Před 2 lety +2

      At this point in 2022 is there any functional purpose except for trying to instigate conflict in using that name?

    • @yhmanyhman840
      @yhmanyhman840 Před 2 lety +1

      Why be disrespectful and call him by the name he clearly didn’t want? His name is Muhammad Ali

    • @KD400_
      @KD400_ Před 2 lety +2

      Bro do u not accept his real name Muhammad Ali he even publicly stated that he will never use his original name

  • @glennandquin5542
    @glennandquin5542 Před 2 lety +1

    No Heavyweight in history would beat a prime focus 80s Mike Tyson trained by Cus he is unbeatable with Cus Da Mato

  • @MrRiz157
    @MrRiz157 Před 2 lety +5

    Definitely not.
    Tyson would come undone against a prime Ali.

    • @doc1672
      @doc1672 Před 2 lety +1

      Not a prime Mike he was focused a student and I even would hear a young Mike talk about how important the mental aspect of the game was not just being physically dominant and strong and that why he tried to get into fighters Head by being so frightening and physically opposing in his prime facts

    • @godnnat
      @godnnat Před 2 lety +1

      Tyson in three, down goes Ali.

  • @The_Anunnaki
    @The_Anunnaki Před 2 lety +1

    It’s unimaginable that there will be another person (Boxer) physically and both boxing ability at 20/21 yrs old, who will win the heavy weight belt 🤯🤯

  • @Mysterio-Solar
    @Mysterio-Solar Před 2 lety +3

    Mike Tyson clearly was amazing at KO-ing guys . But let's face it , he wasn't fighting the Top 5 or Top 10 Heavy Weight contenders from 1986 - 1991 . In his prime Tyson ducked Evander Holyfield and Lennox Lewis for awhile , before Tyson went to Prison . 🤔🙄😳🌟💫💥🔥🙊🙉🙈😂😒⭐🌠🎃

  • @TLopez3199
    @TLopez3199 Před 2 lety +2

    Mike Tyson is a walking boxing encyclopedia. He’s much more intelligent than any other heavyweight.

  • @chrisdickey4641
    @chrisdickey4641 Před 2 lety +1

    Larry Holmes had no idea what he was about to encounter. Berbick too, these were granite men.

    • @DoggieNYC
      @DoggieNYC Před 2 lety

      Holmes was already 2 years retired and happily took the fight on 4 weeks notice.

  • @crombajaa
    @crombajaa Před 2 lety

    I actually thought Joe was talking to himself for 4 min straight. And then at the end, I heard 2 words from Joey Diaz! LOL!

  • @shaundavenport621
    @shaundavenport621 Před rokem +2

    Totally agree with every word!He was a force of Nature!

  • @alcottdevalte7440
    @alcottdevalte7440 Před 2 lety

    Tyson during 85-88 was unbeatable...

  • @recharge5620
    @recharge5620 Před 2 lety +2

    Tyson was so amazing because he was “kinda” like a left handed, orthodox boxer.

  • @tebogosekonya8293
    @tebogosekonya8293 Před rokem +1

    Watching Mike fight was like watching a Predator maul it's Prey to death.

  • @joeramos4489
    @joeramos4489 Před 2 lety +2

    Tyson peaked at 22, his best win was an over the hill Larry Holmes. every tough hard fight Tyson was in he lost

    • @doc1672
      @doc1672 Před 2 lety

      Not true you need to watch both razor Ruddock fights and I even tell people that Mike would have smashed evander and Lenox Luis he still had that dog in him watch those fights especially the 2nd fight

  • @VictorVonDoom.
    @VictorVonDoom. Před 2 lety +1

    I’m 40
    I remember being a kid (late 80’s) and the 2 most famous people on the planet were Michael Jackson and Mike Tyson

    • @jameszbierski391
      @jameszbierski391  Před 2 lety

      I’m not to far behind you, and yeah 💯. Probably could add Michael Jordan in there by 1990

  • @jasem222
    @jasem222 Před 2 lety +1

    Joe knows his shit. He goes deep.. Thanks for the upload, an Uncle Joey fan is a mate of mine. Liked and subscribed

    • @jameszbierski391
      @jameszbierski391  Před 2 lety

      Hey thanks man. Yeah I just uploaded it to basically archive it because I feel the same way when it comes to Tyson. Unfortunately once Kevin Rooney left it was the beginning of the end but them few years he was unreal. He’s ability to slip and make them pay as never been matched in the heavyweight division since.

  • @willdoss7844
    @willdoss7844 Před 2 lety

    Undisputed best knockout punch ever.

  • @perkosherrigh7243
    @perkosherrigh7243 Před 2 lety +1

    jack dempsey was vicious, my favourite

  • @diplomat1218
    @diplomat1218 Před 2 lety +1

    Completely agree about boxing, maybe striking overall. I would love to hear what his thoughts would’ve been bringing up other disciplines against this era of Tyson in just straight hand to hand combat.

    • @diplomat1218
      @diplomat1218 Před 2 lety

      In that era… idk if Jiujitsu would’ve taken him.

  • @dtrain5519
    @dtrain5519 Před 2 lety +1

    Tyson and Frazier would of been cool to watch.

  • @albertross2456
    @albertross2456 Před 2 lety

    EVERY other fighter being terrified by Tyson says enough. Plus the GOAT Ali said it is Mike

  • @dime4244
    @dime4244 Před 2 lety +2

    I always watch he’s highlights and he goes for the knockout every time compared to fights these days

  • @aronlane4664
    @aronlane4664 Před 2 lety +2

    When discussing who is the best it's important to clarify what you mean by that , in terms of a boxing career as great as Tyson's was there are guys who did better , Lennox Lewis being one of them , but who peaked higher even if it was quite brief ?My pick is Mike Tyson being the best heavyweight at his best , and Roy Jones Jnr probably peaked a little higher than Floyd on the pound for pound list , I've got a few other fighters that had good careers but peaked much higher in comparison to their career average at their best than did other fighter's, there are some fighter's who are overhyped and never were as good as they were thought to be and those guys nearly always run into a top fighter that shows that they weren't that good , and then there are other fighters like Mike and others that just lose some of the magic fairly early on in their careers , they didn't get exposed, they just slipped in ability

  • @lu77xiaojun37
    @lu77xiaojun37 Před 2 lety +2

    By "prime" you mean when he was fighting guys who weren't any good or old, then yeah put him up with the best of all time. Problem is, Holyfield owned Tyson going back to their days at the Olympic Trials in 1984. Tyson was a heavyweight and Holyfield was a light-heavyweight at the time (giving up more than 30 lbs to Tyson). They couldn't find anyone willing to spar with Tyson, so Holyfield said: "i'll spar with him". They had to pull Holyfield off him. I won't go into their pool table confrontation at the Olympic Trial dorm, but lets just say it was like all their other confrontations. Then of course there was the November 8th 1991 fight with Holyfield during Tyson's "prime" (BEFORE MIKE's PRISON TERM). Remember that fight??? Of course you don't, cause Tyson got scared pulled out with the fight less than 3 weeks away. Said he was injured in training camp. Do you remember seeing any X-rays? Neither do i. Think about that for a minute, if everyone was sooooooooooooo scared of Tyson back then how could he possibly get injured in camp? by a sparring partner????? Please. Holyfield owned Tyson. I just wish they would have not stopped the 2nd fight after the ear biting. Hoilyfield was pissed, that would have been fun.

    • @DoggieNYC
      @DoggieNYC Před 2 lety

      All true. What people don't want to talk about is that Mike's career lasted 20 years but he was only truly dominat and at his best for the first 3 years. The rest is nonesense. 3 years in prison and 14 years as a side show circus act. Nothing great about that.

    • @DoggieNYC
      @DoggieNYC Před 2 lety

      And Mike went to prison before they rescheduled the Holyfield fight. Doesnt matter Holyfield would have fucked him up. Mike was done in 1988.

  • @H8er-Maker
    @H8er-Maker Před 2 lety +1

    He perfected the "peekaboo" fighting style. Which was very rare when he was on top.