Massad Ayoob looks at four different angles of shoulder holster positions - Critical Mas Episode 17
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- Shoulder Holsters have been around for a long time. Although they aren't as popular today they still have their place. Massad Ayoob offers this guide to four different Shoulder Holster angles and gives you the pros and cons of each. If you are looking into shoulder holsters and wonder which style is right for you, this is the perfect place to start.
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Critical Mas(s) with Massad Ayoob is a show that provides expert analysis over a wide range of contemporaneous topics related to civilian and law enforcement self defense, the use of force, and second amendment issues, provided by a renowned and established author with a career spanning decades in training law enforcement officers and the public at large, who is frequently called upon to provide expert witness testimony.
ABOUT MASSAD AYOOB:
Massad Ayoob has been handgun editor of GUNS magazine and law enforcement columnist for AMERICAN HANDGUNNER since the 1970s, and has published thousands of articles in gun magazines, martial arts publications, and law enforcement journals. He is the author of some twenty books on firearms, self-defense, and related topics, including “In the Gravest Extreme” and “Deadly Force,” widely considered to be authoritative texts on the topic of the use of lethal force.
The winner of the Outstanding American Handgunner of the Year Award in 1998, Mas has won several state and regional handgun shooting championships. Ayoob was the first person to earn the title of Five Gun Master in the International Defensive Pistol Association. He is the current President of the Second Amendment Foundation. He served 19 years as chair of the Firearms Committee of the American Society of Law Enforcement Trainers, and several years as a member of the Advisory Board of the International Law Enforcement Educators and Trainers Association. In addition to teaching for those groups, he has also taught
for the International Association of Law Enforcement Firearms Instructors and the International Homicide Investigators seminars.
Mas has received judicial recognition as an expert witness for the courts in weapons and shooting cases since 1979, and served as a fully sworn and empowered, part time police officer for 43 years, mostly at supervisor rank. Ayoob founded the Lethal Force Institute in 1981 and served as its director until 2009, and now trains through Massad Ayoob Group. He has
appeared on CLE-TV delivering continuing legal education for attorneys, through the American Law Institute and American Bar Association, and has been retained to train attorneys to handle deadly force cases through the Armed Citizens Legal Defense Network. Ayoob served for two
years as co-vice chair of the Forensic Evidence Committee of the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers. He also appeared in each episode of Personal Defense TV (Sportsman’s Channel).
0:00 - History of Shoulder Holsters
1:00 - Advantages of a Shoulder Rig
5:07 - Vertical Orientation
8:03 - Horizontal Position
10:07 - Semi-Upside-Down Holster
12:13 - Upside-Down Holster
14:00 - More Pros and Cons
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Mr Ayoob should read audiobooks. He’s so pleasant to listen to.
Yes he is, informative, easy to understand, and relaxing. His voice is very similar to a Canadian broadcaster I grew up listening to, Jim Junkin.
Agreed
Can you imagine him reading old LRRP stories from vietnam? Whew
Except that his voice is so soothing it makes want to doze off.
Lol
I know what you meant, but "read audiobooks" sounds wrong. 🤣
Mr Ayoob doesn't just make a video for you, he offers a true lecture every time. Thanks!
Wow, thanks!
@@gowilsoncombat
Yep. Phenomenal presentation...
MFA has been around since the 1970s. Hunter, sworn LE 🚔, match shooter, trainer-cadre, author. You can learn a lot from Massad Ayoob. 1000s took his LFI courses. Read his articles.
@@DavidLLambertmobile I'm a fan of his books
Thank you for your time and valuable advise.
When I was a young geologist working in Alaska I carried a big model 29 44 magnum in a shoulder holster. It’s vertical design kept the gun out of the brush and safely secured. A buddy with a hip holster lost his firearm in the brush and didn’t even know it. I liked my holster setup because it didn’t restrict my activities.
Now you see a lot of chest rigs up there. I use a chest rig while guiding, fishing, or hiking. It allows you to wear a pack, or fishing vest and still have quick unblocked access.
@@williamcooke6056 One time up near Tok Junction I ran across a little bus full of German tourists that had run a bit off the road and needed help. When I entered the bus to explain how I’d get them back on the road, the handle of my Model 29 was sticking way out the arm hole of my vest. All the old ladies looked at me wide-eyed as if I were Indiana Jones or something. I suppose I was at that time. 😊
@@danwilson2813 that's funny!
Always prefer an alaskan guide chest rig out in the field.
Well do you feel lucky,..
PUNK?
Man, Massad Ayoob is such an absolute class act.
Supremely polished, thorough, concise, accurate, and remarkably succinct. Very few teach at his level. On any subject...
Been a "fan" since the 80s. Had the pleasure of meeting him at Wades gun shop in Redmond WA in the 90s. What a great guy.
I'd say Paul Harrell is the equivalent to Massad.
@@DaddyBrodes In many ways.
and the best rug money can buy. but it's still a rug. What's he hiding?
Derringer maybe.
I went to shoulder harness this year, because of the problems that drivers have been having recently with crowds. Shoulder holster is the only position that allows you to draw easily, while driving and seat belted.
I want to shoulder holster because of Miami Vice
I have no problem drawing from appendix 🤷♂️
@@hoppinggnomethe4154 doesn’t get much cooler than that. Do you have a Bren 10mm too?
Shooting from the driver's seat can be difficult to defend in court. They will ask, "Why didn't you just drive away?"
I also have no problem drawing from appendix
The sly smile while speaking on carrying two guns warmed my heart. This gentlemen is a real life “The most interesting man in the world”.
Also the fastest reload is drawing another gun, especially if you like to carry wheel guns...
@@DarkAvatar1313switching to your pistol is faster than reloading
@@Razor-gx2dq That's exactly what I typed...
For me it's pretty much 'If Massad Ayoob says it, I take it as gospel'. He's forgotten more about carry and self defense than most of these CZcams 'experts' ever knew.
What he's forgotten more?
@@jonybravo1139 what he's saying is that Mr. Ayoob has forgotten ,quantity wise, more info than modern "experts" have learned in their life. It's almost always considered a compliment.
@@crispycade4444 EXACTLY! Totally meant as a compliment.
The pistol "jumps out with alacrity" is a splendid phrase. My favorite definition of alacrity is: cheerful willingness. Excellent personification of a weapon. Bravo 🙏
Cheerful willingness that would be my G27 lol
@chevyvet69
"The pistol jumps out with alacrity" is a phrase 99% of the people watching won't understand, let alone care about. 😂
I had to carry a .45 in a shoulder holster in the Army and later tried all kinds of shoulder holsters. The only one that felt secure was the vertical style that attached to the waist belt to keep it from flopping.
I use the Horizontal one seen in this video. But I carry the gun lower, and I use tie downs on both sides. Makes for a very stable and secure rig. No swing at all. The rig almost acts like suspenders...
@@kevinh891 as someone with no ass, I'll attest to the suspenders bonus.
I'm always just concerned about muzzling anyone behind me.
I mean trigger is covered, leather strap over firing pin, safety, and grip safety...but not everyone knows that...and not pointing it at people is kinda one of the main rules.
@@AndyDrake-FOOKYT Agree. No butt here either...
As a guy currently shopping for a shoulder rig, this was MASSIVELY helpful. Thank you, Sir.
A shoulder holster also presents your gun to be pullled by the assailant. When you reach across to pull your gun, bear hug/bum rush can trap your arm and tie you up.
It's the great holster when you have the flu and need to rush to the toilet and drop your pants without dropping your gun on the floor or forget to take the gun you had placed on top of the toilet tank.
lol, get a real holster not this outdated garbage
@@ms.annthrope415 I have a rebuttal to that response. You can carry multiple ccws one in the shoulder holster and one in a waistband holster as a backup in the situation you described. If you're smart, you ALWAYS carry a backup weapon.
@@ms.annthrope415 Even without a backup gun or any serious hand to hand training this situation is laughably rare and fairly easily "solved" with quick deployment of a fixed blade. If they're close enough to try and snatch a gun they're close enough to regret it instantly.
@@Pentazemin44 something doesn’t need to be the new hotness to work.
I'm a parcel delivery driver and I use a shoulder holster. I found an IWB holster very difficult when climbing in and out of the truck and I would have to constantly adjust it and it was very difficult to draw from while seated especially with the seat belt fastened. The shoulder holster comfortably hangs there and I often forget I'm even wearing it, I never have to adjust it or think about it at all. I got an inexpensive one from Barsony with pouches for two extra magazines, carrying the extra magazines on the opposite side of the pistol helps to balance out the weight making it significantly more comfortable and my back doesn't get sore.
the Master! I'm 73 and I always listen intently been carrying for 50yrs and I always learn something
Great points here. I was always a strong side hip carrier for over 30 years. But in 2012 I was injured overseas and lost a leg. I have a prosthetic leg, but don't wear it all the time because it is uncomfortable. My office is in my home so I have a great deal of flexibility in how i dress, and spend a lot of the day in a wheelchair unless I put on the leg to go out.
Enter the shoulder holster. I have determined that it makes the most sense for me most of the time. I wear my Glock 19 in a Galco Classic Lite horizontal rig, with a spare mag on the off side. This works for me and is easily accessible. While I'm in the house alone, I don't typically wear a covering garment, just a tee shirt. If I need to go out in public, I put on a baggy shirt known here in south Florida as a "fishing shirt" left unbuttoned. This covers the weapon well and leaves the pistol readily accessible. So,, life changes and sometimes our mode of carry must change as well.
Tom Crawford a Glock 19 is a very comfortable weapon and I find that is very controllable.
It actually feels like it was made for my hand. I've got a 380 I've got some 38 revolvers and I've also got a 40 cal clock. I prefer the Glock 19 over all of them. With most scenarios involving pistols a Glock 19 is more than sufficient......IMHO.
Tom, Thank you for your service and your sacrifice. I wish your prosthetic leg did not hurt you. Is there any chance you can get another one that will work better for you? You certainly deserve it. I carry the Glock 19 as well, it is so smooth without anything sticking out on it that it’s the best concealed carry gun in the world. My opinion.Being a short wasted senior female, A shoulder rig just won’t work for me. I also work from home and a black neoprene belly band is the closest my Glock can ever be to my skin. I wear it on the outside of a T-shirt, it either looks like a back support or a wide belt. I also wear a cover shirt and no one has ever noticed it. And I guess I’ve been carrying it that way for about a decade. Thank you again, wishing you every good thing.
@@nmr6988 Thanks so much for your concern. They are building me another leg with better fit now. it was just a hassle to get my insurance to pay for it, because even the simplest one costs about $10K. I'm looking forward to the new one!
I've been carrying a gun every day either on duty or as a private citizen every day since 1979. I started out with a K-frame revolver, then on to the 1911, and finally, around 2003 settled on the Glock 19. For several years then I owned a bodyguard firm and bought a bunch of Glock 19's to issue to my agents. They all worked flawlessly.
I liked it because I could carry it on my duty belt, then slip it in a concealment holster and wear it off duty or in plainclothes. When I retired, I went through a bunch of smaller 9mm pistols, but found that if I hadn't practiced recently, and was having a bad day, I just didn't get the control I wanted with them when shooting under realistic time pressure. Early in my career I was involved in a shooting, and found out that anything that CAN go wrong WILL go wrong under stress, so I like guns that are easy to shoot well. I find the Glock 19 so easy to shoot well that I gladly put up with it being a little larger than the current crop of mini-9's. Now that I have arthritis in my hands, I find the slide on the G19 easier to rack than some smaller guns as well. Take care and stay safe!
@@PPISAFETY you've certainly had an interesting life. Agree a hundred percent on the mini 9s. They hurt my hands and I'm completely comfortable and confident with my 19. I'll keep your new leg and its makers in my prayers, that they will have the skill to get it just right for you.
I do love my G42. It's a great little gun, the 380 recoil is easy on my hands and I'm good with it. At the last two outdoor GSSF competitions I entered, i shot in the pocket pistol class as well as the regular stock Glock classification. I only participate in one of those every year, and both times one of the judges kissed my hand after I finished shooting Glock the M. people always assume that the 42 isn't going to shoot well or be accurate, and it is totally flat shooting and completely accurate out to 25 yards, which is the farthest distance i've had the opportunity to shoot. I did have to buy one of the recover tactical slide assists. No cutting or drilling required. It fits on the back and gives you more to grab. Problem solved.
Again, I wish you all the best.
I always wear long sleeves and I'm to skinny to conceal carry at the hip.
I always learn from the Wilson Combat panel of experts. This type of channel is the best in the industry. Thanks for the time to make the videos. It helps us (actually me☝️) that have no idea what we’re doing.
Glad you like them!
¡Órale compadre!
I'm considering switching to shoulder holster carry. It's such a pain to carry iwb or owb because it always conflicts with sitting or seat belting. I pocket carry my 38 but I'd be shot dead probably before I could draw it.
Pistolas Fritas
Then you best Learn What your doing !! !
@@alvinglenn458 that’s literally what Pistolas Fritas said….
That is the best type of teacher. Calm, gives examples, explains the why. Loved it.
Thank you! 😃
Massad is so cool. His wisdom, experience and knowledge of guns are unmatched.
Wow. This video is like a flashback. My dad was a cop in Long Beach California a long time ago. He had a couple of friends who where detectives and they would be at our house and they gave me almost this same demonstration when I was a kid. Old school teaching when cops did not have all the hi tech they have today.
A very GOOD Video, he is very concise & a Very Good Instructor.
Glad to hear from the expert who once spent some time carrying two guns in a double shoulder rig while looking like Sonny Crockett's older, weirder brother. Yep. People remember what you wrote and are greatful for it. Thanks Mas.
I've dressed many LEO and CC customers in Galco's Jackass rig for years. With 2 loaded mags offsetting the weight of the firearm, it's a surprisingly balanced carry. We also found that when we adjusted the holster, we were able to stabilize it and mostly remove the swinging action when the customer leaned forward. We fit many Air Marshals with it because it worked so well from a seated position. You eased into the draw by rolling both shoulders into the middle of your body as you reached for the weapon. This would move the weapon closer to your hand. Then, once you've gripped the butt and broken the snap, you simultaneously draw while moving your shoulders back. This helps the weapon quickly and cleanly clear the holster. We would practice this manuver in the shop when we were fitting it and got very good feedback from our customers as they increasingly carried it in the field. One final note is that leather shoulder straps will stretch. After a month or so of frequent carry, we would have them come back for a secondary fitting so we could adjust the straps again. This followup gave them the custom fit they were looking for and made this a super convenient way to carry when you need your weapon off of your waist.
Such a gentleman. Even across the entirety of the internet he doesn't want to point a loaded gun at us. 🤗
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I have been shoulder carrying for 2 years now both with a Glock 19 and now with an M&P Shield Plus which has largely replaced the Glock as my go to carry gun. I find the Shield conceals adequately under a loose fitting button down shirt which solves the problem of needing a cover garment such as a jacket.
I started shoulder carrying for a reason not often discussed: I drive trucks for a living and while shoulder holster work well for a seated draw the biggest advantage for me is that as a trucker I have to make frequent use of public restrooms. It can be awkward to stand at a urinal trying desperately not to draw attention to yourself as you precariously balance you gun and pants from hitting the deck. Even more pertinent is when I have to use a stall. What exactly do you do with your gun in a stall? Can't let it sit on the floor where it can be seen so the only thing would be to take the holster of the belt and then....... what? Hang on to it? Balance it on the TP dispenser? Hope there is a phone tray you can use? Shoulder carry easily remedies the issue.
Great comment. Thanks for your personal perspective.
I use a IWB for my Glock 23. When seated in a stall, I place my weapon and holster in my pants leg. Both are are of sight from outside the stall.
Pocket works as well.
I'm in the same situation with the truck and have been contemplating going to shoulder carry as well. May I ask what your setup is.
@@davebosma4690
I run one of two simple setups- When wearing lighter clothing I carry a Shield Plus in a Galco Miami Classic Lite rig. This conceals very well under just a button down shirt. I wear a T shirt underneath and keep the overshirt buttoned halfway. I also sometimes wear a light vest over a T shirt or sometimes in moderately cool weather Wear the Lite rig over a flannel and under a light vest. If the weather is cold enough that I am comfortable keeping a medium weight Carhartt zip up hoodie on all day I will then often carry a Glock 19 in a standard Galco Miami Classic and it conceals just fine under that hoodie.
On the Miami Classic Lite I did switch out the single mag pouch for a double mag pouch, the extra weight balances the gun better.
I have been carrying at work like this every working day for the last 3 years now, it's just the most convenient way for a trucker I think.
Living in a cold weather state, I carry a horizontal shoulder rig 7 or 8 months a year. I've had 2 back surgeries and it gives me a nice break until the warmer weather starts.
My all time favorite is a well worn Jackass rig, now owned by Galco. I position the holster in a grip downward like 30 degrees roughly. I've found the draw is smoother than trying to pull horizontally across my chest. The longer the barrel the steeper the angle. If the angle is too shallow even a 4" Smith K frame will print on the backside of your suit jacket, if that's a concern.
This man has been a source of great combat related info, for most of my adult life and I'm 50 plus... Well thought out info, no BS
I recently saw a katana sword master do a draw where he used the momentum of the sheath to half draw it before pulling it in one fluid motion with the other.
Since then, I’ve always wondered what’s the gun equivalent.
This was it. Bringing that arm around was the same as that swordmaster bringing his scabbard around before the fluid draw.
Excellent tutorial.
My ex-wife is an illustration of another use case. She is both exceptionally short waisted *and* long limbed - she literally *cannot* access a strong side holster unless it is dropped below the bottom of her belt. So, doing a fit check for accessibility, we determined that her choices were a drop leg (unsuitable), SOB (dangerous and both uncomfortable and difficult to access) when seated, off body (suboptimal), cross draw (still requires a good belt and belt loops), or some variety of shoulder holster.
Given a Galco Miami Classic basically puts the gun at the same place a cross draw belt rig would ride, is more comfortable, and doesn't rely on belt loops women's garments don't have, it was a natural choice. And, her preferred Combat Tupperware weights almost exactly the same (unloaded) as a fully loaded magazine, wearing a loaded gun and two spare mags on the opposite side is a perfect balance.
Up until then, I considered the only real utility of a CCW shoulder rig to be long distance driving - that's literally the only reason why I had one, as I got tired of my 1911 digging me in the ribs and basically being trapped behind the seatbelt on a long road trip.
I went to a shoulder holster during the chillier seasons when I was a Lyft driver. I’d carry under my full zip hoodie. It was a lot easier on my back and if I had to get out of the car for whatever reason to help a passenger, I didn’t have to worry about it showing to a passenger like I normally would when I carry on my 4:30.
Exactly. Great Winter carry/ driver option.
I served in the Belgian infantry as an officer. Being right handed, we used to carry our Browning 9 mm GP on the left hip, the handle pointing to the front. It is much easier to reach to the left hip with the right hand.
very interesting! Representing many old guys, I can tell you a shoulder holster eliminates the rest room clunk as the holstered gun hits the floor with your pants when you make those emergency nature calls. Unless it has a complicated hook to the belt that takes attention to unsnap from the belt like suspenders. In summertime temps you can combine a tee shirt and an unbuttoned UN-tucked over shirt. I need shirt pockets and this is a working combination for me.
I used the T shirt + overshirt combination. It worked great, and didn't print at all.
Also helps avoid leaving it on the toilet paper dispenser as an officer did at my local diner a couple months back. My dad went in on our family breakfast day and found it. He asked around until he found someone who knew how to get ahold of him. So that he didn't get the officer in trouble by calling the station. I've never done that, but my dad has.
I use a shoelace, a velcro, and a friction strap to secure my cheap Walmart holster to a hole I have in all my pants' right pocket and the two belt loops around the pocket. That with a good leather belt is a solid set up, the downside is time. (Before I started practicing my draw l, I too have "drop tested" my sidearm at the toilet, but since I sinched it up it goes nowhere)
Your dad a a full auto, probably untraceable glock with a giggle switch ... and gave it back to the cop?!
Can't say I'd've done the same
Works ok for me but I have a horizontal one which does print on my skinny ass...and the wind will blow it open easily. Working out would solve the problem a bit.
Man am I glad he is finally covering the different shoulder holster positions. Being confined to a power scooter, a shoulder holster is the ONLY one I can reach and draw from quickly!!! Being seated... NONE of the waist positions work for me :( But, being a lefty, I do have a slight... again a slight, advantage. I carry my cell phone in the left inside breast pocket of my sports coat. "Here's my phone, and I'll get you my wallet from the right side........." Oops... guess that isn't my "wallet" after all. And, I have practiced firing without pulling the Beretta all the way out in the open. Firing through a coat (a cheap one from Goodwill) does result is some minor powder burns... but the fraction of a second saved from pulling it all the way out just might be the difference between winning and losing a gunfight. And, the whole idea is NOT TO LOSE................................
I have the same issue,I find Fanny pack built with Concealed carry works well...stay safe.
Call an ambulance, but not for ME
Powder burns to you or the coat/jacket?
@@RobertLowery Using Winchester USA Ready Defense hollow points (my carry rounds. They have a plug in the hollow point so they don't get clogged by fabric... Important if shooting through multiple layers), very slight powder burns on tops of fingers and hand. The finger's tops are facing forward on the grip and and in free air... and the top of the hand is against the coat pushing it outward. With salve, the burns were gone in just a few days so very minor. The coat was toast, good thing it was a five dollar Goodwill special. But, the rather expensive T-shirt I was wearing was, too. Even after numerous washings, it stilled smelled of gun powder. Not so good......................
I only tried it twice (second time I did wear a thin tight leather "driving" glove and it helped for multiple rounds). I had to see if it was "doable" and if I was at all accurate. Surprisingly, with my upper body cocked slightly to the left, hit good shots on target at six feet (as far as I would be willing to try it in "real life"). Well maybe not so surprisingly... I did practice "cowboy" draw and fire before being confined to the power scooter. And, I still do. I also carry, depending on where I'm going, a sub-compact 9mm in the outside waist pocket of the sports coat in a sewed-in holster. And I will, from time to time, continue to practice firing under a sports coat (with the glove on my hand). Again, the fraction of a second savings not pulling the Beretta all the way out, and into the view of the assailant, might just make the difference drawing from the drop. I will withstand the powder burns to be first to fire my three. I will give myself every advantage... so I am NOT the one riding away in the ambulance or the coroner's wagon at the end of the day!!!
And, the "my three" is how I practice. I had (until my file drive crashed) a table from the FBI website listing ALL calibers from 22LR up through 45ACP. It showed the percentage of a single hit disabling an assailant enough to stop the attack. NONE of the calibers, not even the "drop a man in one" 45ACP, showed a more than a 17 per-cent chance of disabling an assailant with a single shot. Those are NOT very good odds!!! So I ALWAYS (and so should you) practice using a three shot rapid-fire response. My Beretta is a first shot double-action, and single-action after. So... there is no need for me to use the safely. Hell, a Glock doesn't even have a safety, since it is all double-action. With practice, I can now shoot three rounds rapid-fire accurately in one second or less.
Stay safe... and stay armed!!!
Don, I give you my respect. But you just gave me the visual of a man on a scooter with a rayon jacket burning horrifically, after a thru the jacket shot. Please carry a bottle of water somewhere on that scooter...😆 With normal bodily responses, it is unlikely to have any burns to the lower extremities.
Don't want to see you win a gunfight and croak out with 3rd degree burns. I would love to do a scooter drill at the range some day. I bet it would be a great learning experience. Thanks.
Barely ever considered a shoulder holster seriously until now. Thank you
My younger brother (LEO 25 years) taught swat tactics to our hometown force.I swallowed my pride and let him teach me how to really shoot.Your methodology reminds me of him...and some very fond memories. Thanks.
Thanks for sharing
Good discussion of pro's and con's, more so since you emphasize the 'nature' of the firearm being carried. For some 30 years I had occasion to carry a large powerful semi-auto pistol, or sometimes a brace of them, in a custom Italian made leather harness system -which in the 'jacket wearing' climate I worked in, was eminently well suited (pun intended:). I found that only a short period of time elapsed before becoming comfortable in the rig, and it's first successful use, eliminated any further concerns. The very best advice I ever received on the matter, was:
"When you find what works for you, stick with it."
Bottom line, I did, and I'm still here in basically one piece.
PS: I'm a 'bigger' guy which made it easier, both to carry and to conceal beneath everything from suits, casual jackets, formal wear, and even wind breakers. The only time (that I'm aware of) that I was ever 'made' was in a Vegas Casino by the then Chief of Security who casually whispered that he wanted to see my license to carry as he strolled past me and 'accidentally' bumped into my side:) Gotta tell you, the fellow was a top level former FBI operative who REALLY knew what he was doing..He has subsequently become one of the most highly sought, and therefore highest paid, 'security' men in the world.
This was a good tutorial, more Massad please. We need to download as much of his wisdom as possible. I'd love to see his firearms collection and hear old stories and anecdotes.
Imagine Mas and Leroy Thompson in the same room, discussing the late 70's /early 80's tradecraft, as they browse through tables of guns with stories attached...
you can get some of that on wilson combat channel where he sets down frequently with Ken Hackathorn or Bill wilson... they will talk about their favorite guns and experiences....
Shoulder holsters are a great way to go if u like ripping around the mountains and trails on a dualsport like I do. Hit up some more challenging trails and u might dump over once in a while, shoulder holster keeps ur piece safe and sound if it went like that. Theyre nice for a lot of otger reasons, too. Its just a comfy easy way to carry larger/heavier guns
For hiking, horse riding, hunting etc, the best is a chest holster in my opinion, especially long barrel Magnum revolvers
@@michaeldoe4805 THIS. Any large frame revolver really does call for the barrel down shoulder rig.
I live in Scotland, so guns aren't even a part of my life, but I really enjoy watching Massad Ayoob's videos. Informative and quality information put across in a concise manner.
how does one carry a sgian-dubh in the armpit? I get that you all stick a small dagger in your stocking-top, but how in the heck do you carry out armpit-carry?
On long road trips. I find my Galco classic shoulder holster in the horizontal to be the the perfect choice. Mr Ayoob I'd like to thank you for all you do in helping the shooter to be more proficient. I've followed you since the 70's. When you were doing articles for police publications. I was a Sheriff's explorer for five years. I'm sixty now and still learning from you.
I am one of the fortunate ones in that I can put a Beretta M9 in a horizontal shoulder ring and it vanishes under the right covering garment. Typically only carry this way in the colder months when having a bulky jacket isn't a problem. Otherwise I am totally old school in strong side outside the waistband carry is my preference. Having Mas here on the Wilson channel has got to be one of the best choices ever made for sharing his insights into weapons craft.
When I lived in western PA; 1996 to 2000, I wore my surplus Beretta 96D .40 with NP3 in a leather Aker rig. Comfort Flex. The gun was bulky but fit fine for hours.
I can listen to Mas all day. And I’d be wiser for it.
He’s been doing this in different ways since I was a kid. I’m 55 now. He’s literally legendary.
Massad Ayoob is still a treasure trove of knowledge and experience. I've been reading his articles since the 90s when first got into firearms and always found them informative and entertaining.
Recently got a 92fs and mostly because of John McClain I got a Miami classic holster for it. Found that on a road trip it is the most comfortable holster and fastest holster to use. It’s also a great way to carry a full size pistol and 2 spare mags. Found why shoulder rigs were so popular back in the day and they still have a place in modern day carry.
Been carrying a 1911 or CZ75 in a vertical cross draw holster for each made by Black Hills Leather for years three seasons. Best option for vehicle carry for sure. Easy to produce from any sitting position. Good video.
CZ is still on my wish list. It is tough finding them in private hands to buy.
@@robertsmith2956 Yes. I bought mine new in the box. But I like it too much to part with like most folks that own them. First one I bought wasn't a true CZ75. It was a TZ75. A clone manufactured in Italy by Tanfoglio before the iron curtain came down, and they were available in the states. It shoots just as well as the CZ does though. 😉
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Great summing up the options, pros, and con. Some cons that were taught during In-Service training at my local police academy: If you get "made" for carrying a gun, an opponent can easily access your gun as most shoulder holsters have little to no retention. A person could approach as if to shake your hand and then go for your gun.
If you are in a fight that has not yet risen to deadly force, unless the holster is secured to the belt it is likely flailing around. If during that fight, you end up on your back on the ground, the holster and gun will fall toward your back and the ground. In that position it can be difficult to impossible to reach the gun.
My "go to" holster has been a Galco Miami Classic since 1993. I have 3 of them, one each for my Beretta 92FS 9mm, my Springfield XD Mod 2 .45, and my S&W Shield 9mm. After spending 23 years in the military I absolutely LOATHE tucking my shirt tail in, so 99% of the time I'm wearing a t-shirt, garage shirt, or Guyabera shirt with the tail out. So for me a shoulder holster is the way to go. As for an outer garment in the summer months, I have two "blowout" shirts (sleeveless shirts) that I use to cover up my weapon. They're both oversized and cover the weapon very well, so I just throw one on, leave it unbuttoned, and off I go. I also don't like all that weight on my belt, so again, a shoulder holster works best for me. I also like the fact that I can carry TWO spare magazines or a second pistol if I want to. I have learned, however, that if you're going to wear a shoulder holster with a suit, you'd be well advised to either get the next size up jacket or have the jacket tailored to help cover the bulge.
I own and wear shoulder holsters for various revolvers. They are almost the only thing holster that would work in my little Miata. I’m 6’2” tall, and that makes reaching a waist holster even more difficult in that car.
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This man is a national treasure.
Great video. My dad was a cop and I have been reading your articles in gun magazines since I was a teenager. I have a short torso, long arms and I hate having holsters digging into my waist. I am going to try a shoulder set up.
It's comfy.
Thanks for another great presentation Mas; loved it! Ive been carrying my 1911's in shoulder holsters for years--especially when I know I'm going to be doing a lot of driving.
I still rock a horizontal Galco miami classic sometimes to this day. For driving, a horizontal rig cannot be beat.
I agree. A EP agent 😎 or PI, detective can wear a shoulder rig with a pistol, then have 2 spare mags in the off set. Wear a sub compact or BUG that also takes the same caliber, gun mags. Very practical. ✔
@@DavidLLambertmobile My brother and I were self employed Investigator/repossessors for 2 decades in the lovely cities of Killadelphia and Camden. I can relate 100% to what you are saying my friend.
I just wanted to express my appreciation to Mr Ayoob and Wilson Combat for presenting such an interesting and informative series on gun issues, something especially relevant given the increasing levels of violence against Americans in our time.
When Massad is out squirrel hunting for his next toupee, keeping his gun in a shoulder holster is handy when he's trying to get the drop on those frisky critters. Toupee hunting is a serious business, and knitting squirrel pelts into a stylish hairdo is no easy feat!
I saw you Mas in 1985 took one of your seminars at the tactical response associations conventions in LA . I’ve been watching you and taking your advice and training techniques ever since. You are the PRO.
Mas is the man!
Expert Witness Indeed.
The Gravest Extreme , required text book 45 years ago when I took my first pistol permit course
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Thank you so much! I was having trouble sleeping, but this video fixed that!
Myself being the average out of shape 64 year old, I find any iwb, own, or kidney carry cumbersome and awkward, got a shoulder holster from Stoner holsters. Winter carry is easy enough. Summer time I just cover my rig with a short sleeve fishing shirt.
One with a pattern/ print of some kind helps dramatically with printing. The holster throws on easy as a summer shirt.
Thank you sir, I've used shoulder holsters since the early 80s. They do have their place.
Again, a plethora of great and user friendly information! But Man, do I love that bench VICE!!!
I've been using a shoulder rig for decades. My current one for my wheelguns allows for a speedloader and medium fixed blade carry on the opposite side. I prefer the shouder rig to any other carry, no matter what anyone wants to think about it.
I could listen to him all day
Would not know who Wilson Combat is without Mr. Ayoob. Thank you Sir for your service.
I know that if it comes from Mas I can take it to the bank. It covers everything, mechanics, safety and pros and cons. Thank you Sir.
This man is the real deal and I have been following him for thirty years, ever since I graduated the Police Academy in 1992. I have had the pleasure and honor to train peace officers in the use of Firearms and this gentleman literally wrote the book and I am sure he has saved lives with his wisdom. Thank you Sir and a double thank you to your advertiser's for supporting fantastic content.
I didn't realize when I first saw this and put it on my page that it's not available yet. I've never used a shoulder holster a lot, but anticipate doing so in the near future maybe. The opinion of the great instructor Massad Ayoob is well worth the time for any//.all of us to get where gun and related law matters are concerned.
Massad, I wear a shoulder holster in between my shirt and undershirt. By far the most comfortable rig I’ve ever carried. Not as fast as waistband, I’ve got to undo a button, but at least I’m carrying. Great video. Thumbs up.
Some people sew a button onto the left side of the shirt and use a small bit of Velcro to keep the shirt "buttoned".
An old denim shirt paired with a fresh blazer is the best way to conceal a shoulder piece. Massad for the win! 🔥🚨
8:34 love the subtlety of the smirks while stretching for justifications for dual-wielding pistols...Mas is the best.
Many years ago, back in the mid-'70s, I carried my Charter Arms Bulldog .44spcl in an unknown clamshell shoulder rig in the upside down configuration. The wonderous thing about it was how concealable that short, fat revolver was in that orientation, and how easy it was to pull - yet was highly resistant to bouncing out. I really, really regret selling that off.
I wish more teachers had like Mr. Ayoob. Specially math theachers!! Impossible not to learn from him.
Mas has contributed so much to our beloved sport, let’s just take a moment to say “thank you!” 🙏🏼
I remember becoming fascinated with shooting sports in the 90s and Mas was in every magazine with his wealth of knowledge and great gun pics. I also imagined he had a deep voice by his looks and I was so right on that one. Got to love technology and the ability for content creators like Mas/WC and so many others for the ability to share their experience and knowledge (not the sellouts of course). 😉
I have always respected Mr Ayoob’s info. Followed him back in I believe 1960’s/1970’s. Knows what he’s talking about.
Love the shoulder rig, only trouble, Sweat ... during warmer weather. Thanks Mr Ayoob.
Right on!
Every option has its place. The key is having options to choose based on the day,night, plan. I got all 3 of these along with my apndix and others. It nice to have the option of choosing.
I carry and make custom shoulder holsters for my clientele....everybody likes the fast on and off possibilities, the comfort and accessibility! Nice video with lots of good info!! Well done!!!
Mr Ayoob is a class act . Everyone should have someone like him to disciple under .
Always been a fan of shouler rigs. Usually very practical and simple
I had a Galco given to me and it is my very favorite holster, when the weather cools in the fall it is my daily until mid spring at the earliest. Another master class in critical knowledge and thought, thanks Massad!
The way you speak is down my alley
Thank you for the video good man 🤙
I still use a shoulder holster on occasion. I primarily use it during the winter time and it's fantastic on long road trips where I'm often seated. If you've got to take a crap in a public bathroom the shoulder holster solves the problem of where to put your gun in the stall while you drop that deuce.
Bought my x-15 from John himself at his factory in Temecula, Ca. in 1976 while stationed just up the 395 at March AFB.
Excellent breakdown as always, Mas. Thank you.
Massad Ayoob >>> writer and trainer between him and Taffin these are the best!
I have always been a fan of this type of Miami holster I wasted no time and got one with my initials engraved into them. This is my style its quick and fast and you can be driving with it and fire quickly from a vehicle if needed. This guy is polished prosed and knows his shit.
Excellent topic. As always, Mas gives you zero BS.
Best holster review I've ever seen. Kudos and thank you Massad.
This gentleman is one of the best sources for information you will ever find.
This man is a treasure trove of knowledge. I've been reading his books and articles since the 80s. I'm so glad he started making these videos
What books has he written?
After seeing 007 in 62 or 63, I was an impressionable kid already planning my law enforcement career. I soon got my first shoulder holster from the Army Navy Surplus Store that was I believe for the 1911, but all I had was a toy semi auto to carry concealed as I developed my plain clothes carry skills. When I turned 21, I almost immediately purchased a S&W Model 19 and I believe it was the Bianchi upside down shoulder rig. Since then, I've had several other shoulder rigs, usually made from all leather, except for one that was made of nylon. Thanks for the memories and a great video Mas..... Blessings!
As always, Mr. Ayoob brings us a wealth of knowledge, but for me, he brings the information in a way that is understandable and not condescending. Thank you
First time viewer, this man knows his stuff. Enjoyed very much, I will be back.
I discovered this channel yesterday, and it's been extremely informative. This vid is even more so, as I'm deciding which holster to carry.
I ride a sport bike and have been thinking about getting a shoulder holster just for riding. My OWB kydex just isn't accessible when I'm riding. The excellent explanation and demonstration of the different styles and carry philosophies really helps me decide on which one is right for me. Seeing as I only carry full size there's only one choice. The Elliot Ness.
Best discussion of pros and cons concerning shoulder holsters I have found! Thanks!
Advice from Massad Ayoob is the best out there !!
I just love this, Hassad Eyoop He does an Excelant job of coverning all aspects on What He's covering.He Knows
Everything I always wanted to know about shoulder rigs, thx Mas!
I have switched to a shoulder rig now, for winter carry with jackets on. I have an undiagnosed pain and swelling issue on my right side, and carrying a gun there is almost impossible for me now. At first I went to cross draw, which helped, but even that is a problem for me with a belt tight enough to hold the gun up. So I switched to shoulder for cooler weather days. I'm not saying I like having the harness on, but it really works for me, and especially since most of the time I, as well as so many others in the world today, am sitting at least as much as I am standing. Even more so. In a car, at work, at a restaurant, etc. And I can pull my gun easily. I had a vertical for awhile, but have changed to horizontal.
Thanks for the video.
Wow here I am watching one after another. Never heard of you before. But you a hell of a job explaining so many things. Thanks for a newbie.
First class advice from an experienced instructor. Excellent video sir. Very informative.
Glad it was helpful!