292 & Strela Uptiered, Mod Responses, And RIP VEAK - News & Updates - War Thunder
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- The Updated list for the BR changes has arrived with some interesting additions and some "Proper" responses to some hotly requested topics in regards to some older aircraft as well as some premiums!
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Still crazy how the 2s38 isn’t going up in br
Yet!
To many noobs play it. They dragg the winrate down, so GJ has a excuse not to change the br.
How? ive played against it and I have it. It just needs to be impacted more by hits(like Justin said). The stats show its fine at 10.0
its a russian premium, so Gaijin probably wont do anything about it
@@bruman182ok gaijin employee
veak 40 decision definitely pisses me off
its not even about the performance, they are just going to destroy the uniqueness of the vehicle. now its going to be just a dual barreled lvkv 42 + radar.
@@konna6130 yep..
theres the zsu-37-2 at 7.7, and noone is complaining about it being shit
@@fissis1955 veak is not shit at 7.7. its just another boring antiair now. and 37 is a better antiair: 66% higher firerate, 17% higher velocity and more tnt filler on the HEFI rounds.
@@fissis1955 still the radar and bullet velocity on the Yenisei is mediocre, and as an SPAA with no proxy it is overall just not as good as the gepard, I didn’t have too good of a time using it. The VEAK 40 will probably be used as a tank destroyer like the Yenisei now, most probably in late game
*Sees VEAK 40 nerf* God dammit gaijin right when im in the middle of unlocking the thing.
same like wtf
I experienced the same cheap shot when I was about to unlock the Strela 10M2. I think I only had 1400 to do and I decided to go to bed and do the rest the following day. Its BR went up in the morning and it changed rank too, so it was worth like 100,000 SL more and it took even more RP to unlock... To say I was pissed off is an understatement! 😅
@@philipped.r.6385 Sweden has been unfortunate for me when it comes to gaijin messing with the vehicles. I was about to unlock Rank III then they foldered a TD into the previous rank forcing me to get the Ban Kanon. Then when I was about to get the next rank again, they added the damn BMP with no missile forcing me to research it.
@@SirMcMuffin you have to research the whole dang sweeden tree to get to top tier i swear
Same
gaijin as always thinks something makes sense, but in reality it only makes sense in their heads
When the japan mains wished for the FCU to be 11.0,
they weren't expecting the Gaijin monkeypaw to curl.
Losing the type81 from the 11.0 lineup makes me want to suck on a 9mm pacifier.
How about the F-86 going to 8.3 to help with the 3 8.3 tank lineup
@@Spartans5499 It already is 8.3...
as a japan main who wished this would happen, I'm very happy!
The FCU will be funni at 11.0
The veak decision makes no sense. Meanwhile the WZ305 i still where it is
communist bias
WZ ain't got no radar
@@rav3727at 8.0 thas no big deal..
@@TonnyH21 its a 7.0 SPAA at 8.0 because of HEVT. Its fine at 8.0
@@superburrito9797 that's what i just said..?
The VEAK nerf is just sad.
Unironically the veak 40 is ruined
its finally balanced it was way too op with HE-VT.
@@STRYKER1467 good players know how to dodge it tbh.
@@WatchFair it was still invisible just like the begleitpanzer or the 2S38, im glad its gone but im wondering why the others kept it.
Crazy annoyed how the Type 81 (C) is going to 11.3. Becomes useless at 11.3 unless you play 11.7.
Well deserved, its impossible to counter when used properly.
@@manueldelbusto725I feel like you’re only saying this because 10.0 is wallet warrior Su-25 territory. If you’re playing any supersonic with flares and/or guided ordinance, the Type 81 isn’t that hard to deal with.
@@derritter3873 lol flares dont do absolutely anything against the type 81 and no, its better than the pantsir on a lot of scenarios.
@@manueldelbusto725 at 11.7 it will literally get outranged by every enemy cas there is, and it cannot even destroy the atgms that are launced at it unti last moment where it can momentarily gather lock before exploding from the atgm missile
@@retardmoguss just hide and wait for the right moment, its fire and forget and the no escape zone is HUGE
the AMX-50/90 and Chart 25t are still 8.0 and now another french lineup is going away because the AMX-30 DCA is moving up, for some reason
AMX-50 (90) has no place at 8.0. It can’t even front pen a T-54. I miss it in my 7.7 line up. However France 8.3? Yuck bro, just go 8.7 or 9.3.
Kinda makes sense since falcon is same current br yet being slower, worse armour, no radar, less ammo etc
@@Rempai420do what i do and bring the Surbaisse up. The thing decimates leos and a bunch of other stuff
@@itryrice8526 I like the surbaisse but it’s a little fat and big so people tend to spot me easier. I often like the flank in my 7.7’s due to speed and size.
Any tips for this BR? I just unlocked the first amx 30 and I’m struggling
I realy dont know why they are taking away the He-Vt Rounds away from the Veak. They are the best tool against the Russian Heli Spam at this Br. They could have put that thing at 9.0 that would still be fine
You already pretty much wrote why they're doing this: *the HE-VT takes care of the Russian heli spam.* That's the main reason.
@@bickboose9364 Plus Gaijin got real mad and waffle stomped it to 7.7.
The only heli spam thats uniquely beneficial to the russians at this br is 1st spawn rocket runs, and u dont need HEVT to deal with that - any radar guided thing at all will instantly swat any rocket heli's. All the atgm's are comparably trash with slight differences in range, speed and numbers available per pylon. Radar guided HEVT was unbalanced in general at 8.7 where there is basically no aircraft equipped with ballistic computers to fight back with across every TT. Its not a russian thing lmao, it was simply under tiered for ages - but now u get a good 7.7 AA and can use the Itpsv 90 at 8.7 which was already fairly balanced being a better gepard at a single br step higher. Its a good balance change.
I'm gonna be honest, I'm Sweden hater number 1 and the VEAK with the (stealth iirc?) proxies has killed me SO MANY TIMES but jesus christ they just killed it.
hi fellow sweden hater 😂
i think gaijin have 2 option to fix overlapping spaa (iptsv and veak) at 8.7, change the iptsv hull to T55 and decrease the br or nerf/up br the veak, which gaijin choose the latter
this way gaijin doesn't need another modelling team to fix it
@@rxzxqx6982 They cant just change it to a T-55 hull if no such instances of the AA with a T-55 hull existed
As a VEAK main, I’ll let you in on our dirty little secret;
Our HVT shells auto destroy after 4km.
@@caboose7741 it does exist, sweden iptsv uses leo 2 and T55 hull
just search T55 marksman
@@caboose7741 early instances of ItPsv 90s were built using T-55AM chassis
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marksman_anti-aircraft_system
While I did complain about the DCA going up earlier, I am a Japan main at heart, so I gotta say, what in the world did the Type 81 C do? Sticking it at 11.3 where there is literally NOTHING else now makes absolutely zero sense. So it’s either uptier my 11.0 lineup or drag my Type 93 to 11.0. I mean, cool the FCU is going down, but I’d rather keep it where it is. Japan really can’t get anything nice unless they give something else up. It happens almost every single time.
xD Awesome video and great of you to mention Spookston and his videos on the HSTV-L, as well as DEFYN. The three of you are the main youtubers I watch about War Thunder topics, and I appreciate what you do.
I really love the HSTV-L, and hope it gets some love by Gaijin soon.
I like your news vids. Some of the creators get really long winded so a short and sweet summary is nice.
Sure, I don't mind seeing more info & tips videos. Actually they do sometimes vary a lot across different channels, so I am pretty interested in some of your takes in those.
Strela and 292 going to 10.3 is a great move.
Strela being at 10.3 while Roland and Ozelot at 9.7 makes no sense
Strela doesn’t have:
-Radar
-Thermals
-IRCCM
-Mobility
-Anything against armor
Missiles only go up to 5km and leave a huge trail. If there is A-6E in the sky at 6km you CAN’T DO ANYTHING even if you somehow manage to spot it
@@catoonz womp womp, at least the strella doesn't suffer as hard as the Stormer HVM a 10.3 spaa that you need to manually guide in and directly hit to kill.
@@catoonzstrela has photocontrast
@@bobertisback and? It still goes up to 5km
Welp the Japanese Type-81 C going up to a BR where it only 0.4 BR rating below the Pantsir where the Pantsir can be used to kill other vehicles and a radar that can do TWS which 😢
Sup justin. Ikv 91 at 8.0 review plz?
#RIPVEAK40
So much memories in this vehicle
Great video, thank YOU!!!
Tbh the VEAK 40 should move up in br and keep the he vt
Here's an idea for Gaijin, if a vehicle gets into a full uptier, it should be able to adequately deal with the threats at that BR to an extent. For example, if an SPAA that has a 2 mile effective range at 10.0 gets a full uptier to 11.0, it should be able to deal with air threats at that BR to an extent. Now the issue arises when the threat of the aircraft can out range the SPAA with munitions. Essentially the aircraft either needs to go up in BR or more SPAA options need to be available in the event such a scenario occurs.
we need different br for aircraft, fighting A6 TRAM that fly high and lobbing paveway in ozelot is not fun at all
Gainin trying to mess with my 7.7 french lineup.
7.7 French line up got fucked a while ago when the Char and AMX 50 (90) went up.
now i cant play the veak 40 att 10.0 so funny gaijin
skill issue the shilka doesnt have VT either learn to aim properly.
@@STRYKER1467 the shilkas fire rate is 850rpm and the veak40 is only 300rpm
@@idk3e385 veak still has more penetration.
@@STRYKER1467 i dont think i have ever got a nonpen on a plane...
i know the hstvl is better than the 2s38 but i dont know if its 11.3 vs 10.0 better
It’s not even better, the 2s38 has a much faster firerate with a round that’s basically about as effective with way more rounds and aphe and hevt
@Optimusprime56241 including IRST. Of course while the HSTV-L didn't have it, it's still a plus.
@@bb-152ussmeta9 that too, 2s38 is absolutely insane at taking out Helis and low flying aircraft
ya justin do this kind of video , i quite like it how you explain it
292 going up is actually huge for it because it needs tanks with a bit more protection in order to generate spall. So I personally believe I’ll enjoy it more now
I literally just bought one hahahha. Ouch
@@syntec9555 its more a buff than a nerf for the 292, as the guy above said it works better with higher armor value opponents
@@user-sr9bq1yv4g This gives me hope. Thanks
Bro 9.0 or 11.0 it’s just one shot unless you shot motor only… seems like a skill issue
@@user-sr9bq1yv4g wont be in the op 10.0 lineup now.
AMX 30 DCA going up 😢 nah I'm joking this thing is a nuke printer at 8.7 it will still be a beast
Ahem...falcon
@@Existor106falcon is worse
@@advan0sfalcon as full apds belts the 30DCA as one apds two aphe and one he in its apds belt
@@princessapplestrach6327 falcon doesn't have full apds belts lmao. They literally have the same guns with the same ammo belts and ammo distribution on them with one apds. DCA gets another belt for a reload, has a radar and is more mobile. Go play the game or look at the fucking wiki and stop posting misinformation
@@advan0s can't im at work rn and sorry i thought ut had full apds belt
wow I can't wait to face king tigers more often just cuz I have a M18 in my line up :D
we all rather not gaijin to add the crew punishment to the game, you know it's gonna be more dogshit that will either be super frustrating to deal with, or just a way for them to squeeze more money out of us
like... "new crew skill, stun resist!"
"new crew skill, firefighting!"
Hehe, nato main wants to continue surviving side shots from western tanks :)
Will be fun actually having a chance to kill leo2 and m1 to the side without it eating shot with a fuel tank or getting a "hit".
Not a russian main btw.
I wonder if the additional internal changes will fix fuel tanks acting like spall liners on some top tier tanks
Wait I’m confused. They said the hstvl is effective where it’s at, but they are looking at buffing it by giving it new ammo? How can it be effective if they need to look into how they can improve it?
free my veak 40 he aint do nothing
You should do a video of the A-7E in ground rb
I just want a ground battle mode in WT without CAS. CAS has been too much lately making it not fun especially to players like me that don’t grind Air Vehicles at all.
Ground assault, but that really isn’t fun.
fr 8 out of my 10 games played end in being CAS spammed till none of my team exists and the CAS users respawn in tanks and cap every point for the win while facing little to no resistance ...its essentially them saying "I have no skill in ground so I'm gonna spam 1000 pounders with five other CAS bombers til its safe for me to drive around" which is just clown shoes.
get lost
Hey justin what would u think about adding dutch vehicles to the german line up say the f16 for top tier planes and the apache for helicopters and for ground the cv 90/40nld seeing that our army js very closly working together with germany even falling under german command at some levels this might give germany some more variation than just the leopards and migs cuz the tornado is just shit and maybe they can do lower ranked vehicles to. hope to hear your oppinion.
Ps. They can do it with other countries to like japan and south korea. Usa/canada
Surprised i didnt see the type 89 getting nerfed on here again. Seems it gets shafted every update…😢
type81 to 11.3.. really sucks because that ruins the 11.0 line up :/ now we have to take out the type93 with it's 10G missile, it's a pain at that br
Damn and I am grinding the veak rn 😢
I honestly think the m1 should get m833 while I understand why it is at 10.3 but if it is going to stay there it should get a better round in my opinion
I need to stop playing well with the Otomatic. 11.0 for the shittiest SPAA. Needs to drop to 9.7 and replaced with a normal SPAA with missiles
why is japan 6.3 and below not getting the br's lowered? and why is the British tortoise not going to 6.3 as its comparable to the jagpanther but slower.
Why do they move the regular t-34 1941 to 4.0 when the panzer 4 h is 3.7
You missed out the Super Hellcat not going up
Even times Ive shot the 2S38 in the engine and the round didnt spall with DM53 its a dumb tank at 10.0. Yet gaijin will put type 81c to 11.3???
oh no.. this breaks my russian line up Turms, 2S38, Object 292, BMP-2M, Strela and SU-25k line.
Your the best war thunder youtuber love the content keep it up
Magazine said the VEAK change was for the 7.7 -8.0 line up.....this is fucked because there IS NO 7.7 to 8.0 line up for sweden. 2s6 is 10.7, Strela 10.3.....fucking geniuses at Gaijin for sure. When i have a 2S6 on the field , my thumbs up my ass on the Strela. What needed to happen is that the other trees needed to be brought up to snuff.
OKG the 292 went up .3 br this will change the game so much I’m sure
one of the plane nobody talks about is the milan at 9.7 its uptired 90% of the time you only have aim9Band no flare at the only effective way is bombing but this either you have the f4 in your team that goes faster or the su 25 with R-60MK who fires a missiles at you and you can basicly do nothing against it
Chally ds getting L26 is good and going up in br with the other challengers 1 , mid tier cas is going bad for some nation who don't have a good SPAA at that br
In my opinion, they should leave the VEAK at 8.7 and put the itpsv90 at 7.7. It makes more sense to me.
A leo2 hull at 7.7 ? Nahh you're wild in the head dude
@@princessapplestrach6327 that thing just explodes with one falcon's rounds in the turret. hull doenst matter here.
@@ralfnissan1 mobility does and that thing is fast af and pens a lot shit its a better gepard because of it's hull
@@princessapplestrach6327 like r3 , fox, and others...
@@ralfnissan1 yeah and they are getting moved up especially the fox
thank you gaijin, the veak is just useless now..
Why does the old M2 strela keep getting its BR increased instead of adding a new one...
The Italian prem F104 shouldn’t be 11.0 with its current load out, either needs all aspect missiles or down br’d to 10.7 cos it suffers against f16’s and mig29’s
It is based of the F-104S in the tech tree so it is a blatent copy and paste with a different skin, same missiles and same loadout overall, I think both are fine at their current BR.
@@chevlex7993 I know it’s a copy of the tech tree one, but I think they should both go up by 0.3br for 2 main reasons. 1: they have aim9ps while other aircraft it faces have aim9ls, r60s, aim9ms, Magic 2s and similar all aspect missiles. 2: Yes it’s a fast plane, but 8/10 times it faces f16s, mig29s and mirages. It gets uptiered to much and faces too advanced aircraft to be any good, plus its radar missiles compared to aim7ms and r24r is laughable (especially with no gun if u take them). The 11.3 f104 is fine cos it has aim9ls, but the 11.0s don’t and need to change as they just suffer
Completely skipping over the Super Hellcat no longer going up to 6.7. Ouch.
Finally the G.91 YS going at least to 9.3 but i still think that Y is better
vilkas needs new modelling. same as 2s38, shoot it with ton of afsds nothing happens. shoot it with heat/he it doesn't overpressure. seems better armored than mbt
They could just put VEAK at 9.0 with m247 :)
I mean they both got that HE-VT
Eh, still think the 292 being op is exaggerated . Sure its a glass cannon on a basic naked T-80u hull but that reload gets u killed soo many times . But Russia honestly needed a shuffle at 10.0 , to many good tanks there. will be interesting to see 292, T-80b, Strela line ups now
I'm ok with the 292 at 10.3, its very fair
.... fighting it in the british 9.3 lineup is a whole nother hell lmao
@@yeetdragon1629 yes but now you will see them less often cuz max uptier for you in 9.3 = max 4 obj. players.
It will still destroy 9.3 lineups, going up to 10.3 changes nothing lmao
@@credelle again, MAX UPTIER = MAX 4 PLAYERS WITH 10.3BR, u still will play against objects but NOT AGAINST F*** HORDE like now
@@credelleany 10 or 10.3 basicly decimate a 9.3 if I knew I was gona fight only 9.3 I'd take the t80b every time just for the reload and thermals machine guns also a bonus
That's crazy how they hateethe Italian tech tree
I have a feeling that if the 2s38 gets nerfed at all, then the Wolfpack and HSTVL are going to be slammed into the dirt.
Strela I don't think it should have gone up despite being good. They should have just made other SPAA in other trees on par with strela and at lower BR to atleast have a almost fair counter against CAS for every tree. Strela is defenseless against anything except open tops and milk trucks
I hate that now Sweden have no usable mid tier spaa anymore, they are all good TDs and pretty bad spaas
Pretty bad? They’re really bad. Just look at the lvkv 42; sure it has an okay rate of fire, but it has too little explosive mass and ammo to be used as an spaa. The thing literally cant even destroy a wing of a bf 109 it just destroys flaps and gear legs, which is so much worse than other SPAA
@@Rocky0_99 Sweden has no AA, that whole line is just tank destroyers with extra steps....
The Lvrbv 701, ASRAD-R and ItO 90M are the only exceptions to this. All other SPAA in the Swedish tree perform better as AT-vehicles.
@@Rocky0_99 I didn’t wanna get flamed lol, yeah the 40mm cannons are absolutely horrible spaas, same goes to the zsu 57. They can’t even hit planes strafing me. The itpsv90 is also quite bad as a spaa, you can’t really hit anything past 1.5km
@@xnopyt13 honestly i meant that whole comment more as a joke but i meant what i said about the guns being bad at SPAA stuff
@@Rocky0_99 oh I meant I said pretty bad because saying horrible might attract Swedish mains that will defend it to death lol. Yeah the gun spaas are all quite sad
I'm glad they didn't decide to uptier the Q-5A.
I'm immensely sad that they still think the Q-5L is just perfect where it is with no flares, no AAMs and no ground armaments stock only having the 23mm water pistols.
Really not surprised though, they are so adamant about their absolute clown mode implementation of this aircraft and their "We must have primary source X and Y to make a change", that the Q-5L will probably stay the way it is forever.
Hmmm... Python 3s at 10.0 with an F-5E
why is the ki 200 still at 8.7
About Otomatic they say nothing?
I dont like the Challenger br raise. Its still inferior to the turms in every Way, other then now a few mm more pen.
Im very much an early cold war fan but the bmp 1 to 8.0?? The T-54 needs to be 7.7 imo
One of the worst changes gajin has put out in a very long time. Cas is all they care about so they are heavily nerfing anything that can fight it..... wow, just wow, great job gajin.....
Yeah its pretty terrible ngl
ok, time to just keep tickling Su 25s with 35mm cannons (if you are lucky to get a hit). Rip VEAK…
Team RU at 10.0 just sucks. Found myself quite struggling to get a decent winrate with 292 despite having 4.0 KDA with it, it’s like 2s38. Overpowered vehicle but the team sucks so much
Wonder why super hellcat didn’t go to 6.7
*mr krabs voice* Money!
Instead of upping the BR cap and upping the F104 they are refusing and reducing the 8.7/8.3 and ruining that entire MM
I would rather see veak going up on br than removing he vt, they took the good think he had there is no reason to used anymore…
Why did they remove HEVT rounds?!?! Its literally going to be useless since its cannons are so close together, and the max pen is only 95
The 40mm HEVT wasn't developed until 15-20 years after it
@@mmyatt9560 yeah and they’re putting in prototype vehicles that never seen the road nor fired a round when put all together but you don’t see them complaining
@@Destroyerext i mean i hate the endless BS prototypesas well
@@mmyatt9560 then let’s remove the HEVT on the 2s38 while we at it
I dont agree with the f5 ecu going down in BR, the f5e should go up to 11.0, there is nothing u can do against it if u are in a 9.7 jet.
Oh wow, a whole .3
As if Thats gonna chnage something
The Challenger Mk.2 could've went to 10.3 too and be given L26.
Yeah but at that point it would just be identical to the mk3 but with one less round in the ready rack
That chally 1 going to 10.3 is a stupid change even with that new ammo... it's got poor survivability, below average mobility, decent gun handling though a weak shell... now it'll have a better one sure though it'll still be a mid tank at best even if it stayed at 10.0.... though alright lets toss it up in BR........... really don't grasp this lot most of the time with changes.
Mama Mia why the R3
Yeah the crew stun is a big no no
VEAK down tier with removed of HE-VT make no sense to me.
But why Veak 40
why the AMX is not going to 10.7?!!
they just murdered my veak in cold blood :c
why 8.7 for the rookat though i would like to know lol
yeah fr, the dart round succc
0.3 br above, you got MTTD with thermal, dm 23, and autoloader 😂
Yeah the 292 being released 10.0 was pure bias. Of course the first event vehicle not being completely shit in a while is Russian. Still strong 10.3 want to see it 10.7
Statistics based matchmaking is bs
They should've nerfed CAS in GRB. It's super annoying.
2S38 is very mid, by that I actually mean really mid. Whenever I see a 2S38 I kill it easily and when it sees me first it’s a 50-50. Sometimes I kill it sometimes I die to it. It’s just weird fighting it tbh… The turret is a weak spot when hull down with that ammo on the left side, also the empty space on the middle of the vehicle is fine for me. Just aim at the ammo or the crew. Now some times you get gaijined so a good idea would be to put fuel tanks there. I have the vehicle too so I know how it is to play it and it isn’t impressive, for me. I find it slow and weak… the lack of depression sucks with that tall ass profile the 2S38 has. Better off just nerfing the APFSDS which is the biggest problem
remove the apds and it would be fine at 10.0
or changing the designation too
The 2s38 suffers due to the fact that most people who use it are clueless fools. It is devastating in a competent players hands
yeah the 2s38 is mid af, although it probably should be 10.3 for not fighting 9.0 and 9.3
Aaaaaand with this, i will NEVER come back to this game.
Swedish 8.7 line-up fucked thanks to the VEAK nerf.
Japanese 11.0, one of my most fun line-up for top tier, fucked thanks to the Type 81 BR increase.
BTR-152D moved up for whatever reason, screwing again another fun line-up (3.7)...
Really, can't care to eloborate any further changes, this game is done for me.
Too bad, there was a small chance for returing on it in the future, but what i see is nothing that can be potentially fun to use again.
Finally they pissed me enough to unistall it!
just making CAS even more OP ,nothing new here ...
yea i dont get it you can play around AA as a cas player but you cant play around cas as a tank player and all they doing is nerf AA
@@Kanudee I am honestly not even surprised , since G91 was ruling 8.3 with cancer Nords I knew where this is going ,now we have such cancer on every BR
my 10.0 russia lineup is ruined, I had everything at 10.0 including 2s38 but now my 292 is 10.3
So the veak is just gonna be a worse ZSU-37-2
why is the 292 getting nerfed like that, its already facing 11 and not doing well as it is =\
Ah, so the Strela with no tank weaponry is only .3 br different to the tunguska. Ah yes, genius.