This Entrepreneur Has Broken One Of The Fundamental Rules Of The Den | Dragons' Den

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  • čas přidán 21. 08. 2024
  • Clive Billing is asking for an investment of £255,000 for a % stake in his Diamond Geezer business.
    Season 6, Episode 2.
    An international sensation, Dragon's Den features entrepreneurs pitching for investment in the Den from our Dragons, five venture capitalists willing to invest their own money in exchange for equity.
    #DragonsDen #BusinessPitch #diamonds

Komentáře • 241

  • @tothepast
    @tothepast Před měsícem +249

    He was unusually well prepared. I think the CD answer was unreasonably punished. He did give a straight answer to a straight question

    • @asamusicdude
      @asamusicdude Před měsícem +22

      We seem to forget that in the end most of them are snooty rich elites😂

    • @ib9359
      @ib9359 Před měsícem +4

      True.

    • @gappergob6169
      @gappergob6169 Před měsícem +1

      ​@@asamusicdude Still business guy is the one giving people job. They should have more privilege tbh if we being fair.

    • @michaeljohnson1003
      @michaeljohnson1003 Před měsícem

      truth ​@@gappergob6169

    • @danielmoksmann5654
      @danielmoksmann5654 Před měsícem

      Wholeheartedly agree.

  • @AbhishekSanyalTGV
    @AbhishekSanyalTGV Před měsícem +95

    Just a few seconds after getting a bashing from Duncan...
    Theo: "Hello, I am Theo"
    Guy: "I know you are Theo :) "

  • @charl7508
    @charl7508 Před měsícem +121

    He seemed like a nice man, there wasn't any need for them to be this harsh

    • @user-yt198
      @user-yt198 Před měsícem +9

      Theo and, unless entrepreneur is a pretty lady, Duncan always do that. This time Theo smelled the sweet opportunity and stopped crushing the entrepreneur.

    • @jack-a-lopium
      @jack-a-lopium Před měsícem +1

      Business is tough, it's a tough world, etcetera etcetera.

    • @TheDrunkCook111
      @TheDrunkCook111 Před měsícem

      @@user-yt198what?

    • @user-yt198
      @user-yt198 Před měsícem

      @@TheDrunkCook111 What what?

    • @TheDrunkCook111
      @TheDrunkCook111 Před měsícem

      @@user-yt198 i don’t get it lol

  • @Jivehooks
    @Jivehooks Před měsícem +71

    He should be named James Calm

  • @shogunero3.6
    @shogunero3.6 Před měsícem +108

    This is from 2008, this man is still in business. If you check the website, it says it was rebranded and they seem to be doing well. He made the right choice. Happy for him.

    • @BenjaminGoose
      @BenjaminGoose Před měsícem +10

      What do you mean they "seem" to be doing well? Based on the appearance of the website? companycheck gives it a net asset worth of less than 2k.

    • @shogunero3.6
      @shogunero3.6 Před měsícem +1

      @@BenjaminGoose “Based on the appearance of the website” yes.

    • @jasonking2218
      @jasonking2218 Před měsícem +3

      Apparently he passed away from complications related to aids

    • @fredmercury1314
      @fredmercury1314 Před měsícem

      He could've done it all himself.
      He just needed a rebrand and to do some advertising. He's a mug.

    • @colettebrennan1840
      @colettebrennan1840 Před měsícem

  • @TheAKJ9
    @TheAKJ9 Před 19 dny +13

    The person who made the thumbnail is on work "experiance"

  • @COLD17
    @COLD17 Před měsícem +72

    They wanted 40% of the business which includes a property worth 540k. They basically offered to take away 40% of his business for free with no risk.

    • @fredmercury1314
      @fredmercury1314 Před měsícem +2

      Minus the 500k debt.

    • @AwesometownUSA
      @AwesometownUSA Před měsícem +13

      the entrepreneur’s initial valuation was £1.7M
      the dragons’ offer (at 40%) effectively valued the whole business at £637,500
      his counter offer (30%) would have brought that up to £850,000

    • @user-yt198
      @user-yt198 Před měsícem +3

      Also the investment they make goes to the company, not to the entrepreneur. So basically 40% of the investment automatically becomes their own money.

    • @deepzd6839
      @deepzd6839 Před měsícem +1

      @@user-yt198 Becomes the companis money tho

    • @jack-a-lopium
      @jack-a-lopium Před měsícem +2

      The point of evaluating the company assets is to offset risk... meaning if it all goes South then they're not left with paying for losses. It's all maths and James was quite clear on his arithmetic. The dude 'agreed' to the terms insincerely, he had no intention of sticking to the terms, he was essentially messing them about.

  • @divian22
    @divian22 Před měsícem +8

    11:52 - Theo straight out of a Guy Ritchie movie 🤣

  • @djae6083
    @djae6083 Před měsícem +17

    R.I.P Clive

  • @Hoopspur
    @Hoopspur Před měsícem +6

    My name is Clive.....Trotter.

  • @Cuckie1996
    @Cuckie1996 Před měsícem +19

    What is the punishment for breaking one of the most fundamental rules of the den?

  • @1337murk
    @1337murk Před měsícem +68

    Diamonds are such a scam

    • @NullifidianYT
      @NullifidianYT Před měsícem +5

      Yep. I rather buy some food.

    • @welshfinn1
      @welshfinn1 Před měsícem +5

      What you on about? I love highly pressurised, heated coal.. carbon ftw. Rare, and no link to blood money

    • @iconofsin1043
      @iconofsin1043 Před měsícem

      I would love to have a ring made from a meteorite, which is older than the earth

    • @user-yt198
      @user-yt198 Před měsícem +2

      Kryptonite is much better.

    • @eat_ze_bugs
      @eat_ze_bugs Před měsícem +2

      So is bottled water but that doesn't stop people from buying it.

  • @AynOtori
    @AynOtori Před měsícem +58

    Experiance??? You guys drunk already?

    • @siggylloyd3566
      @siggylloyd3566 Před měsícem

      Guys who run the channel are ESL.

    • @AwesometownUSA
      @AwesometownUSA Před měsícem +1

      dude they are def wasted

    • @TomNook.
      @TomNook. Před měsícem

      Damn interns

    • @Noelhall88
      @Noelhall88 Před měsícem

      This isn't even the first time. They might not know how to actually spell it 😂

  • @Ryanjoned163
    @Ryanjoned163 Před měsícem +16

    Large tin of pek and chip's with 5 slices of bread and a big bag of maltezers for tea for me this evening 😂😂

    • @DeadSetOnDestruction
      @DeadSetOnDestruction Před měsícem +4

      Nice! I found a leather shoe that I was able to boil, the rubber become almost like a glue and I was able to consume it. No nutrition in it though, but that's where the fresh caught insects came in. Hoping tomorrow's haul will be better. ❤

    • @Ryanjoned163
      @Ryanjoned163 Před měsícem +3

      ​@@DeadSetOnDestruction😂😂😂😂😂 sounds good any sauce 😂

    • @C0D97
      @C0D97 Před měsícem

      You animal

    • @Ryanjoned163
      @Ryanjoned163 Před měsícem +1

      ​@C0D97 you're dads boyfriend made it 😂

    • @DeadSetOnDestruction
      @DeadSetOnDestruction Před měsícem

      @@Ryanjoned163 Raw, just like your mother likes it

  • @BobFred1337
    @BobFred1337 Před měsícem +57

    Whats everyone eating while they watch this gem of a video

  • @barbmitch6866
    @barbmitch6866 Před 2 dny

    He rebranded the company to compare the diamond and is rated excellent 4.9 on trustpilot

  • @DaveC2729
    @DaveC2729 Před 22 dny +1

    I think expensive jewelry is going to be too careful of a purchase to do over the internet. I'd want it to be in person with plenty of paperwork to prove it all.

  • @tractorboy6736
    @tractorboy6736 Před měsícem +8

    Whats your background, its brick wall, sorry i took you literally!

  • @Billy_B
    @Billy_B Před 19 dny +2

    Business still going he must have done well

  • @hamza361
    @hamza361 Před měsícem +46

    The greed from these guys is unreal. They wanted 40% of his business and asked him to include the premises that the business operates from. They also wanted him to remove his directors loan which is basically the salary that he withdraws. Lmao how ridiculous!

    • @Rossi_x7
      @Rossi_x7 Před měsícem +3

      The business was in debt

    • @RealRushinRussian
      @RealRushinRussian Před měsícem +5

      I mean you're right but you do have to factor in that a jewelry business (of all things) operated for FORTY YEARS is still barely making any money. The Dragons would have to do all of the work if this guy couldn't figure it out in forty years. But yeah still it's pretty greedy, I bet a 2-way split 15% each would've worked, probably without Peter though.

    • @billyscorner2232
      @billyscorner2232 Před měsícem +12

      @@RealRushinRussian he has 250k+ in stock and owns a building which was 75% paid off. just because you aren't reporting a profit doesn't mean you aren't making money.

    • @RealRushinRussian
      @RealRushinRussian Před měsícem +2

      @@billyscorner2232 alright that's fair I admit this was just "second monitor noise" and I missed the stock part entirely

    • @fredmercury1314
      @fredmercury1314 Před měsícem

      @@RealRushinRussian How _do_ you spend 40 years selling something that people want to buy, and not be successful?

  • @Dude-etiquette
    @Dude-etiquette Před měsícem +26

    Poor people mine diamonds on slavery wages and men in suits make millions doing nothing

  • @ThePrimeMinisterOfTheBlock
    @ThePrimeMinisterOfTheBlock Před měsícem +4

    He does look like a Clive

  • @will2410
    @will2410 Před 26 dny +1

    Man they were so harsh for no reason

  • @seancharlie8476
    @seancharlie8476 Před měsícem +5

    Good on him for not taking what they offered, 40% plus the property was too much

  • @BDBMX
    @BDBMX Před 8 dny

    "This caption writer has no access to spellchunk"

  • @commonenglishmistakes4360

    I don't understand why they let the pitch go on air if the rule he'd broken was so important.

  • @gemmi1
    @gemmi1 Před měsícem +2

    Did he say he runs the business from a commercial premises in Bourton on the Water? I live here and have never heard of him or his company.

    • @kingcrimson1773
      @kingcrimson1773 Před měsícem +2

      This is one of the early seasons of DD, this episode is like 15+ years old. Clive probably moved on a long time ago.

  • @calskichannel6888
    @calskichannel6888 Před měsícem +2

    YT auto generated captions … Theopuss 😂

  • @herrzyklon
    @herrzyklon Před dnem

    "EXPERIANCE"?
    Did the intern write the caption?

  • @slowdownex
    @slowdownex Před měsícem +3

    Either his idea isn't all that unique, or his SEO sucks.

  • @BigWes95
    @BigWes95 Před 7 dny

    I think was right to turn it down. 30% seemed fair to me

  • @hiimshtixy1220
    @hiimshtixy1220 Před měsícem

    Sometimes people don’t understand that they have a different view on what they want and how to live with their life in a different world and how they can be more comfortable and happier and more productive in a way that’s more important.

  • @johnhewett9483
    @johnhewett9483 Před měsícem +1

    With his level of profit of 3k i am surprised he got the offer he did

  • @renning1090
    @renning1090 Před 14 dny

    "how much profit did you make?" "3000" "How much did the largest retailer in the space do?" "34mil" "I think I'm talking to the wrong guy"

  • @LeonieJMerry
    @LeonieJMerry Před měsícem +4

    Can you imagine getting proposed to with a ring box that says diamondgeezer on the back 🤣🤡

    • @jasonm4332
      @jasonm4332 Před měsícem

      i kinda like it -david beckham type is what first came to mind when i first heard it

  • @stevesims2407
    @stevesims2407 Před 11 dny

    I think he made a mistake saying no 😊

  • @thealien_ali3382
    @thealien_ali3382 Před 15 dny

    James caan: i like the model, i like the business
    Me: sure u do after hearing hes put in the property and writing of 100k 😂😂😂

  • @deepgeny1
    @deepgeny1 Před měsícem +1

    Excellent peter

  • @tamas5931
    @tamas5931 Před 14 dny

    Nick Jenkins handled that a little better

  • @MarxistKnight
    @MarxistKnight Před 18 dny

    Snarkily stating the profit of your business to a potential investor after clearly being asked for a straight financial figure is probably not going to go down well. But what do I know, I don't run a business 🤷‍♂

  • @clauspitzner6093
    @clauspitzner6093 Před 28 dny

    I like the fact that he got an offer from 3 dragons despite that terrible woman tried to ruin his business from the very beginning. Unfortunately Clive didn't accept the offers and today I truly believe he regrets it!

  • @JL-gf3yc
    @JL-gf3yc Před měsícem +1

    He would have made millions more with those 3 you just have to consider yes you’re giving away 40% but you’re making a much bigger profit than before!

    • @donramanayake1505
      @donramanayake1505 Před 24 dny +1

      How do you know that? What's the basis for your valuation and what evidence do you have.?

    • @JL-gf3yc
      @JL-gf3yc Před 24 dny +1

      @@donramanayake1505 is that really something I have to answer? Maybe do your homework on the investors

  • @tomaszmagierowski2166
    @tomaszmagierowski2166 Před měsícem +1

    12:32 SimCity 4 region music

  • @Rossi_x7
    @Rossi_x7 Před měsícem +3

    Anyone what happened to this after the show? I’m guessing he changed the name because diamond geezer doesn’t show up on google

    • @Sam-xq8xh
      @Sam-xq8xh Před měsícem +3

      Rebranded to Compare The Diamond

    • @Rossi_x7
      @Rossi_x7 Před měsícem

      @@Sam-xq8xh wow impressive that he’s still in business, the website looks pretty outdated but he does have some seriously high end stock

    • @MartinSmythOnline
      @MartinSmythOnline Před měsícem

      @@Rossi_x7 Over 2000 reviews on trust pilot with 97% giving a 5-star rating.

  • @chrishan9138
    @chrishan9138 Před měsícem

    Would have been smarter to negotiate deferring rather than writing off the director's loan and letting them have the 40%. He'd have a better chance of getting his own 100k back with 3 other people invested in growing the business than owning 100% of 3k a year on his own.

  • @jakecooper5855
    @jakecooper5855 Před měsícem +1

    Smart move not taking the deal. Now he gets to keep 100% of a couple grand every year instead of 60% of the few hundred thousand per year that 3 dragons could have helped to build.

    • @arronchiplin1446
      @arronchiplin1446 Před měsícem +1

      Not necessarily

    • @donramanayake1505
      @donramanayake1505 Před 24 dny +1

      Not necessarily true. That's not how you do valuation or projection and a bit simplistic to look at it like that.

    • @jakecooper5855
      @jakecooper5855 Před 24 dny

      @@donramanayake1505 Ok maybe it's not black or white 100%, but do you really think the guy had a better chance on his own to make more than his split with a dragon would have made him?

  • @Mickenos85
    @Mickenos85 Před dnem

    I would think for far less than that, clive can get a internet marketing company wholl do tgecdeal fir wages

  • @tothepast
    @tothepast Před měsícem +1

    He talked about fightclub

  • @neilus
    @neilus Před měsícem +2

    What a terrible name for such a high end product...so tacky!!

  • @KingGuardianDevil
    @KingGuardianDevil Před měsícem

    He forgot his fake diamonds

  • @Adrian-lc6jq
    @Adrian-lc6jq Před měsícem +1

    Experiance

  • @user-ru3ql6ji4p
    @user-ru3ql6ji4p Před 26 dny

    Now I know why he's broke.

  • @mashedpotatos3750
    @mashedpotatos3750 Před 13 dny

    CDs nuts duncan

  • @patrickfarren8808
    @patrickfarren8808 Před 9 dny

    Dragons were asking toooo much...

  • @chickenrees
    @chickenrees Před měsícem

    he got so ripped off..

  • @WayneBagguley
    @WayneBagguley Před měsícem +1

    FFS, can't spell "experience".

  • @fabycho6791
    @fabycho6791 Před měsícem

    Now everything's sold only even diamonds

  • @LTSmash414
    @LTSmash414 Před měsícem

    James is such a sheister

  • @GrettaMorash
    @GrettaMorash Před 19 dny

    I have watched for many years. I have never seen so much “meaness and rudeness” just wondering.

  • @rudyhonings
    @rudyhonings Před měsícem +1

    What is a CD? When was this made?

    • @shogunero3.6
      @shogunero3.6 Před měsícem +1

      This is from 2007 or 08. James asked his projections from 08 to 09.

    • @TheEudaemonicPlague
      @TheEudaemonicPlague Před měsícem +5

      What planet are you from, that you're not familiar with CDs? I'm not telling you, because you have no excuse for not knowing...and less for not looking it up.

    • @user-yt198
      @user-yt198 Před měsícem

      Crossdresser.

    •  Před 20 dny +1

      @@TheEudaemonicPlague I thought it's slang for some jewelry product, not literal CDs. LOL.

  • @ELECTRONICMUSIC12
    @ELECTRONICMUSIC12 Před 28 dny

    What happend to the buisness

  • @DaveKingDJ
    @DaveKingDJ Před měsícem

    Experience

  • @eat_ze_bugs
    @eat_ze_bugs Před měsícem

    3 dragons for 60% equity all at the same time would be too much for any founder. They will eventually butt heads with each other if the business takes off. Better to allocate that equity to passionate cofounders who will actually work and grow your business with you on a daily basis and then dilute your shares later when the time comes for more capital.

  • @Pobsta-de7hb
    @Pobsta-de7hb Před měsícem +2

    Oh god, Calm down and pick your nails debby. It is one thing to mention something but the way that thing goes on lol

  • @sevendeadlysins375
    @sevendeadlysins375 Před měsícem +7

    This guy grinded my gears. Slighlty irritating attitude about him.

    • @NullifidianYT
      @NullifidianYT Před měsícem +2

      Yeah. Like some failed teacher who knows best.

    • @shogunero3.6
      @shogunero3.6 Před měsícem +3

      Well he is still in business and doing well. He clearly knows his industry.

    • @RealRushinRussian
      @RealRushinRussian Před měsícem +2

      And yet very firm knowledge of numbers and ruthless decision making on the fly. Such mixed feelings about this guy.

    • @sophocles1198
      @sophocles1198 Před 25 dny +1

      I think Clive was edited to look worse than he is.

  • @jack-a-lopium
    @jack-a-lopium Před měsícem

    Wacky stuff

  • @BenjaminGoose
    @BenjaminGoose Před měsícem +3

    Dookan is completely wrong, engagement rings are NOT the most common item sold on the internet.

    • @AwesometownUSA
      @AwesometownUSA Před měsícem

      seriously! the most common thing sold online is probably CDs or something (CDs are huge right now)

  • @valleygirlknits
    @valleygirlknits Před měsícem

    Experience, not experiance 😂

  • @colettebrennan1840
    @colettebrennan1840 Před měsícem

    I ❤ Deborah

  • @erikjohnson9931
    @erikjohnson9931 Před měsícem +1

    These “dragons” are the most boring humans I have ever seen. This show is like watching paint dry.

    • @lee6023
      @lee6023 Před měsícem

      You haven't seen many people then if you think they're boring. Maybe your the boring one

    • @erikjohnson9931
      @erikjohnson9931 Před měsícem

      @@lee6023 wow great response…did it take you 5 hours to come up with it?

    • @SG-pb5v
      @SG-pb5v Před 25 dny

      ​@@erikjohnson9931what a pathetic response you gave him

    • @terranceparsons5185
      @terranceparsons5185 Před 16 dny

      Funny enough, I am watching this while I do just that!

  • @TomNook.
    @TomNook. Před měsícem

    And this channel's editor has zero years of English experience.

  • @xwulfd
    @xwulfd Před měsícem +2

    Barbara: you clearly followed all fundamental rules in growing the business so im out

  • @mcfcguvnors
    @mcfcguvnors Před 17 dny

    domain names worth 200 k

  • @AwesometownUSA
    @AwesometownUSA Před měsícem +2

    anytime I listen to one of these pitches, the first thing I do is punch their numbers into my calculator to figure out the entrepreneur’s proposed valuation.
    the quickest way to do it is cross-multiplication - you multiply the amount requested by 100, and then divide it by the percentage of equity on offer. so for this pitch, it would be:
    amt requested - £255,000
    equity offered - 15%
    255,000✖️100 🟰 25,500,000
    25,500,000➗15 🟰 1,700,000
    and so the entrepreneur is valuing his business at £1.7M
    if he had accepted the dragons’ offer, it would have effectively valued his business at £637,500

    • @sophocles1198
      @sophocles1198 Před 25 dny

      Thanks we knew that

    • @AwesometownUSA
      @AwesometownUSA Před 24 dny +1

      @@sophocles1198 judging by all the basic, room temperature IQ comments I see on every single video, I think it’s safe to assume that a lot of people DON’T know this (or at least they were taught it at one point, but straight up forgot it), so I was just trying to be helpful :)