Thanks again for everyone's patience and support. This game felt absolutely huge and it took many nights to try and sum it all up. Be sure to check out the description for timestamps as well as a list of sources/people who helped create the video.
Thank you, Marsh. I had a real bad day, and you really made it better. I know you might not feel like you're changing the world, but to me, you made a huge difference. Thanks again.
I don’t know why but that reminds me of a side character from Avatar: The Last Airbender show. I cannot remember his name but he was a silent archer who never spoke a word throughout the season. By the end, when things seriously went bad he talked which caught everyone off guard.
It’s like Saints Row 1. After multiple hours of your character in complete silence, to the point there’s multiple jokes about you being silent, suddenly the boss says something and everyone gets confused that you can talk, and only chose to make a dumb joke.
What's funny about that to me is that I played a game that did the exact opposite in Zettai Hero Project all the characters just act like it's a matter of course that the protagonist can't talk. Like they never once remark on it or draw attention to it, only for the ending to have one of the main characters go "Wait can he even talk?" when a reporter asks the protagonist for an interview to which the other main characters react to as though they're only just now realizing that was the case.
You know, some things are just inevitable. Death, taxes, stand users encountering each other, and Marsh being forced to fight the Minotaur on the 8th level. Just a fundamental law of the universe.
Marsh: Game is slow. Me who grew up with computers that regularly run newer games at 10-12 FPS: *My time has come. A strategy game to test the limits of my power.*
I just realized that hero could be considered Law, and with what can happen in one ending with Heroine turning into a Demon, Law and Chaos can already view that they can work together instead of what they normally have been doing.
@@CallofDutyBlackOps28 I mean, you *can,* but Law kinda requires that you accept God's word and live by it. God who has supposedly abandoned humanity. that, and this game does a fair bit of sh*tting on Law as well.
Fun fact: there's exactly one person to my knowledge who's attempted a Majin Tensei speedrun, and I believe it took him almost 40 hours. If this isn't proof that the game is just way longer than it ought to be, I dunno what is.
Long @$$ speedrun records: the telltale mark of just plain why in a video game. Don’t think anything’s topping the 100% Baten Kaitos speedrun, though; the hoops you have to jump through for that without the speedrun make half the games Marsh has covered look sane.
Holy shit, you're talking about FilthyBlasphemr's attempted speedrun on Majin Tensei! I remember keeping up with his videos about it on Twitter before he said "fuck it." Do you think Majin Tensei's one of those games that has tons of speedrun potential, but we're sorely missing out on stuff like glitch and/or exploit information?
@@tehandroidmaster Doubtful - I think strict grid-based mission-based SRPGs like this are some of the worst for speedrunning. No movement tech, no sequence breaks - the only thing it might have is some RNG manipulation. Otherwise, a speedrun of it would just be a "someone who's played the game before and knows what they're doing" run.
@@smergthedargon8974 Eh, there's fun to be had in learning how to play games like this optimally, and a speedrun is a good way to do that. My issue with SRPGs from a speedrunning perspective is that 99% of the time it's most optimal to just pour all your resources into one Unit and bulldoze your way through with just them. Almost every Fire Emblem speedrun is like this and they're all incredibly boring IMO.
Tbh for SRPGs it's more fun to solve for LTC (Low Turn Count) vs actual Speedruns, like take dondon151's Fire Emblem Shadow Dragon Hard 5 0% growths LTC run vs the speedrun, where the LTC has calculations, crazy optimizations and setup spanning over half the game, vs the speedrun where you just select Marth to go full distance and skip the enemy turn for the whole run
Looking forward to Nakajima Battle Royale, in which a Nakajima from every country, each with his own demonic/godly form, dukes it out in a giant brawl.
And Marsh even got the Jagen killed by not paying attention and overextending on a really boring slog of a chapter. I wasn't expecting him to give us The True Fire Emblem Experience in this video on top of Majin Tensei.
@@MarshSMT yeah once you cap str its best to use the swords that deal bonus damage to specific races (the best option imo being the dragonslayer you get in a chest on one of the floors of Lucifer’s Lair
Another detailed movie-length breakdown of an obscure Shin Megami Tensei title from Marsh? This is exactly what chill Saturday nights are made of. Let's rock.
Going by Shining Force, Majin Tensei and Fire Emblem Gaiden it seems like early Tactical RPGs had a serious problem with spreading out the map with nothing to do. Truly they were pioneers for the bad kind of open world games.
When I played through the game, I immediately thought of Gaiden. It's supposed to be an FE rip-off, but I wish it ripped its more thoughtful map design and lower map count. Majin Tensei 2 is like the parts of Gaiden that's more than just an empty, but still have frustrating gimmicks. Some may find that frustrating, and it is, but at least it makes me use a brain cell so I like MT2 better
Yeah, I get what you mean. I don’t played a little bit of the first two Shining Force games. And I played through Sacred Stones and Three Houses as my first two Fire Emblem games. So I can attest to early tactical role-playing games struggling with efficient level design.
He actually, finally did it. The Majin Tensei Experience is here. Marsh went through one of the weirdest, most obscure, most player-unfriendly strategy RPGs in the genre's history, and he came out the other side still breathing. I am in awe of both this man's dedication and his willingness to suffer for our enjoyment. Actual king shit.
Isn't Fire Emblem 1-5 even more player-unfriendly? You can even miss a healing spell in FE 5, it's actually a meme due to how often it happens. There's also an old XCOM where first few hours is just restarting the game because aliens literally one-shot your squad but I'm no expert.
@@persona3rulezi'm not done watching this video but i played Fe1 blind (+ no savestates/restarts) as my first Fe and i got soflocked at against the final boss because i didn't collect some mcguffin i didn't even know existed like 15 maps earlier. I don't know yet if Majin pulls some shit like that but Fe1 at least is brutal without a guide.
@@persona3rulez honestly most tactics jrpgs are like that. Lets not even start with ogre battle 64, so many ways to just fuck your playthrough, miss most of the classes and items or get one of the dozen bad endings
@@atromin9323 either way, FE 4 and 5 are considered two best games and they both do some horrendous shit like large maps and absolutely dumb hit rates. Like I said, in 5 there is a character that misses healing spells like 7/10 times or so. Yet again, two best games in a franchise.
After getting through the intro, it’s so cool to see how much better Marsh gets with every upload. You can really see the care and editing that go into each video and how they’ve improved since the already great SMT if videos
Me (single) typing, "Babe, wake up, Marsh just uploaded" into a CZcams comment box, then posting it for good boy points before watching the entire video in the dark by myself in my apartment.
"French Nakajima was actually one of God's angels the entire time" is a line I never expected to hear before starting this video lololol. Thank you for making another excellent video Marsh!!! You do so much for the SMT fandom
Marsh: If you don't have the manual, this game will be hard to figure out. *explanation* Me: So it's Fire Emblem with an SMT skin, sounds rad. Marsh: The game is slow and enemy turns take forever Me: So it's Fire Emblem _4_ with an SMT skin, even better!
I remember watching month after month as Marsh's twitter showcased his spiraling out of control playing Majin Tensei I hope that the Majin Tensei Military Strategist arc's conclusion is just as beloved
Stuff to look at in case you want to play Majin yourself and are looking for a specific ending/demons: 18/19 - 53:15 28 - 1:04:37 30 - 1:05:29 32 - 1:12:44 (Marsh got this one after stage 34 but you could get it right after 32) 34 - 1:11:58 46 - 1:29:19 (this is a long segment, watch until Marsh gets the powered up Ino Kagutsuchi) 51 - 1:36:45 Asides from that, remember to spare demon's lives when the choice is prompted. I think with these timestamps you can get any demon and ending you desire, please correct me if i missed anything.
I played Majin Tensei on a 3DS without using Fast-Forward, do you wanna know how many hours it took me to finish it with the True Ending? 80 FUCKING HOURS D_D It's a great game tho, slow as a snail but the soundtrack & art design is magnificent 💙
@@alicevioleta3184 80 isn't that long, but compared it with the games previously released Megami Tensei 1 & 2 were around 50 hours for the amount of grind you have to do SMT 1 was around 50 hours And Last Bible....uuuuuuuh, 30?
i have a philosophy that in an ideal world no game should last more than 20 hours to beat. When you past 20 hours it is because of padding. It holds true for most jrpgs, they are usually 50-100 hour experiences but most of that is grinding and padded out secondary missions.
Something about the fact that like most of the named characters died in this run really established how dangerous this was and seems more realistic. Also love the romance building between marsh and rags and a jealous Minotaur trying to interfere. Love your shit dude and thanks for making this
Something not mentioned in the video: You can get them back after recruiting them through fusion! You might be able to create multiple copies of them, even. I went the neutral route after checking it out so I dunno.
This game took its ques from Fire Emblem and made it work in megaten, the overpowered Orthrus is your Jagen/paladin equivalent. In nearly all FE games you get an early game unit that's super OP for the 1st couple of chapters but you're only meant to use them as a crutch or tank enemy attacks so that your units can pick em off for kill EXP.
I played through this game, like, half a year ago, and the game got so tedious toward the later half that I felt like I was experiencing a fever dream, but instead of being subjected to a virus I was subjected to dark-green floors and light-green walls for hours. Overall, fun game, 6/10.
This really reminds me of the Super Robot wars games which i love. The old super famicom ones still kick my ass but Majin Tensei seems easier to pick up than a dungeon crawler for me.
May I just say that the Vishnu-Flynn fight theme from SMT4A for the "Worst Stage Ever Played in a Video Game" segment (stage 45) is just perfect? It really helps encapsulate the idea of a man hitting his limit with a game that does NOT respect his time whatsoever.
It is fascinating to meet someone in such a position. What was the game like when you first played it? Did you get the true ending? Love from the USA ❤
@@nitro5247 nice to meet you! I'm sorry with Google Translate. I started playing games with Family Computer Megami Tensei, and got lost many times with the paper maps I made. I fell in love with the story of Megami Tensei 2 and Shin Megami Tensei. I remember that the ending of Majin Tensei made me feel very quiet, not impressed, as I continued to live in the world that had ended, and started looking for a way to live from the end. Right now, I'm writing a fan fiction just after Shin Megami Tensei's ICBM explosion. I'm still a captive of Megami Tensei!
@@AdamOwenBrowning It's true that it wasn't major, and fans at the time weren't active on social media, but there are some. There are few Japanese people who actively appeal to overseas in order to avoid troubles caused by cultural differences.
When protag-kun first spoke, I actually thought there was some kind of copycat mimic NPC that was pretending to be me during the dialogue... because that still makes more sense to me than what actually happened, lol
I just got to say. I really enjoy how crass and casual you are when doing these retrospectives/walk throughs. Always feels like it 's just a friend explaining a game they like in a very understandable way. Especially with how some of the mechanics in smt games are.
This game is interesting, but the sequel is even more interesting. Apart from the slow arithmetic of the Super Nintendo, I think that "Majin Tensei 2" (i.e. the sequel to this work) is a masterpiece. Personally, I consider "Majin Tensei 2" to be on par or better than "Tactics Ogre", "Ogre Battle" , "Final Fantasy Tactics" , "Bahamut Lagoon" , "Fire Emblem" , "Little Master" , "SD Gundam G GENERATION F" , "Hiōden" and "Langrisser 2". この作品も面白いのだが、続編は更に面白い。スーパーファミコンの演算の遅さを除けば、魔神転生2（つまり本作の続編）は名作だと思う。個人的には魔神転生2はタクティクスオウガやファイアーエムブレム、ラングリッサー等と同等以上の作品だと考えている。 As a derivative of "Megami Tensei", it's a forgotten series, along with "Last Bible" and "Devil Children".I would much rather wait for an official sequel to "Majin Tensei" (preferably one that follows the system of "Majin Tensei 2"."Devil Survivor" does not satisfy that.) than "Megami Tensei" or "Persona", but that opportunity will probably never come. It is easy to imagine Atlus and Sega not wanting to spend money on that attempt. Not only that, but since the occult boom has died down and the social atmosphere has changed in Japan since the 2000s, it may not be possible to make games with the "Megami Tensei" and "Majin Tensei" atmosphere. I think such games can only be made by people who lived in Japan in the 1970s-90s. (It is difficult to explain in detail to a foreigner, but in those days, manga, anime and games with a unique atmosphere existed as a genre. Now there are no manga, anime or games that have the unique and strange atmosphere of the pre-90s.) 女神転生の派生としては、ラストバイブルやデビルチルドレンと並んで忘れられたシリーズだ。私は女神転生やペルソナよりも、魔神転生の正式な続編（できれば魔神転生2のシステムを踏襲したもの。デビルサバイバーではそれは満足されない。）を待ち望んでいるのだが、その機会は多分永遠に来ないだろう。アトラスやセガがその試みにお金を使おうとしないことが容易に想像できる。それだけではなく、2000年代以降の日本はオカルトブームが廃れて、社会の雰囲気も変わったので、昔の女神転生や魔神転生の雰囲気を持ったゲームは作れないかもしれない。ああいうゲームは1970-90年代の日本に生きていた人でないと作れないと思う。（外国人相手に詳しく説明することは難しいのだが、あの時代は独特の雰囲気を持った漫画、アニメ、ゲームが一つのジャンルとしてあった。今は90年代以前の独特の奇妙な雰囲気を持ち合わせた漫画、アニメ、ゲームは存在しない。）
It's somewhat funny to realise that if this game had a more compelling cast, hub areas, dialogues and npc interaction together with quality of life improvements such as smaller levels, a faster general pace in the gameplay and so on it would have probably become easily a fan favourite in the whole franchise like devil survivor is. Majin Tensei has a solid gameplay, sprites, OSTs and a somewhat decent story, if only more time was invested in it to smooth its edges.
Sometimes I forget what drew me to your channel in the first place. At first it was at the time recent interest in SMT, 3-4, years ago. But then I realized. I came for SMT, stayed because you're in a funny way the Cybershell of Megami Tensei, humour wise. I don't know how you do it but you always send me in a fucking laughing fit
No joke, I consider you one of the best SMT historians I've ever watched. Because I had no idea 99% of these games existed before your videos (and yes, I do play mainline SMT games and not just Persona games)
Before this video was released, I was reading a recently made translation of this game but in manga form, Majin Tensei True Rememberence. Honestly that story was written with the authors interpretation of the game Edit: the ending feels rushed but overall its a finished megami Tensei manga so I can’t complain
Maybe this first game (and the ones that came after) prove why it took so long to go back to SRPG's for Devil Survivor. They probably really wanted to take a break until they were confident they could make a more digestible map structure. And Devil Survivor proves that they really thought about it with its more compact maps and bigger focus on the actual combat and plot.
It's almost certainly because Ronde was so bad, killing the sub series and they didn't really have another srpg sub series, other than that one Gameboy another bible game
Glad to see someone cover this game in as much detail as possible. As usual, rad vid man. Can't wait for Majin Tensei II, and of course, the third entry, and best selling Majin Tensei game on the Sega Saturn: Ronde, to come out soon after this. We'll finally have HD footage of Ronde gameplay, and the [R E D A C T E D] fight.
Majin Tensei’s one of the more unique franchises in MegaTen. It’s a really archaic game because of it’s painful slowness but it’s weirdly different charm from SMT makes it one of the more unique branches from Megaten. Majin Tensei 2 especially is one of my favorite SMT games because of its story and totally different atmosphere from other games. You really went all out with this video Marsh, def one of those games that you have to sacrifice any social interaction to finish. Can’t wait for SMT 2 and Majin 2!
'The pace of each enemy turn becomes glacially slow' Ahhh, my SRW and SD Gundam GGen brain is tingling with nostalgia. Suddenly, I feel at home. Fuck that can suck to experience sometimes, though. I feel ya on this one, Marsh, I really do.
I think it’s so cool the way you explained your blocking strategy during the Pandemonium map. I’ve used that same tactic for years in Fire Emblem games but now I have a fun name to assign to it thanks to you! This video was so cool also, learning about Majin Tensei was quite a ride but I feel like you did the game so much justice in playing it and giving people like myself an idea of what it’s like. I started getting into the SMT series this year and I’m so glad I finally did. Anyways, great video!
I think a marsh video about some of the old ass fire emblems would be pretty interesting, Thracia especially for all its bullshit nonsense, hell it even has dark rooms
I initially played Majin 2 just for the music, and I honestly don't regret it. SRPGs terrify me, but the price for the awesome soundtrack is well worth it for me. I might get to Majin 1 once I'm done with it, but that'll probably be another half decade.
Your long videos are perfect for smoke sessions. Thanks dude. By the way, I saw the SMT Band of Shadows performance in Los Angeles. It was incredible listening to music from the franchise performed live with the producer on lead guitar, let alone their first Western performance
Just now learning about this game from this video, it is (more or less) exactly what I expected and wanted when I learned that the Shin Megami Tensei series was going to have a cross over with the Fire Emblem series. But instead we got Tokyo Mirage Sessions ♯FE...
Every time I sit down and watch a Marsh video it feels like I’m right there playing the game with him. This one is no different. I’ve been a fan since your SMT if and Devil Summoner videos, and I’m so glad to see you’re still going strong. Now I really want to try this game out for myself!
I saved this to watch later to watch it again, later lol. For real tho you are one of my favorite channels ever and I look forward to you discussing any game with the amount of passion and walkthrough style look through you do. It's been one of the best times ever playing through games like shin megami tensei 1 and 2, and last bible 3 along with your videos. Thanks again
Thanks again for everyone's patience and support. This game felt absolutely huge and it took many nights to try and sum it all up. Be sure to check out the description for timestamps as well as a list of sources/people who helped create the video.
Yaaaaaaaaayyyy!!!!!!!!
Totally worth the wait.
Thank you, Marsh. I had a real bad day, and you really made it better. I know you might not feel like you're changing the world, but to me, you made a huge difference. Thanks again.
2 HOURS!?
OF MAJIN TENSEI!!
IS THIS HEAVEN?
you are the absolute best marsh. heart of smt on youtube to me.
Absolute chad mood for the protagonist to just stay totally silent for 11 whole chapters, then throw in a dialogue jumpscare out of nowhere
I don’t know why but that reminds me of a side character from Avatar: The Last Airbender show. I cannot remember his name but he was a silent archer who never spoke a word throughout the season. By the end, when things seriously went bad he talked which caught everyone off guard.
It’s like Saints Row 1. After multiple hours of your character in complete silence, to the point there’s multiple jokes about you being silent, suddenly the boss says something and everyone gets confused that you can talk, and only chose to make a dumb joke.
What's funny about that to me is that I played a game that did the exact opposite in Zettai Hero Project all the characters just act like it's a matter of course that the protagonist can't talk. Like they never once remark on it or draw attention to it, only for the ending to have one of the main characters go "Wait can he even talk?" when a reporter asks the protagonist for an interview to which the other main characters react to as though they're only just now realizing that was the case.
@@DarkJ1425 Longshot?
He was part of Jet's crew I think.
@@dacknostrum absolutely right. Man, it’s been 15 years since I watched that chapter.
SMT protagonsits moments before killing God: ...
Majin tensei protagonist inside a big tree: holy shit
If you count the Persona games, Joker speaks
@@lockl00p27yeah but… like that’s an anime cutscene, imagine if joker randomly started talking in a random meeting scene in Leblanc you’d be scared
@@gabrieldevoogel6225 He also speaks midbattle.
@@lockl00p27 that’s a staple tho, even in other modern rpg’s, heck ringo has less in battle dialogue then joker and she’s a fully voiced character
This is what Saturday nights are for, not for going out and getting laid but to watch Marsh's 2-hour long videos on forgotten Japan-only games
Sad but true
Ikr
...yes?
Yes sir.
I get laid WHILE watching Marsh’s Megami Tensei videos. My girlfriend demands it
😂
You know, some things are just inevitable. Death, taxes, stand users encountering each other, and Marsh being forced to fight the Minotaur on the 8th level. Just a fundamental law of the universe.
RIP Etienne, he died how he lived, suffering because the people in charge weren't doing enough
Sounds familiar
At least we're not alone
The realism here is uncanny and uncomfortable.
Marsh: Game is slow.
Me who grew up with computers that regularly run newer games at 10-12 FPS: *My time has come. A strategy game to test the limits of my power.*
Majin Tensei. the only game in the FRANCHISE where the player can get Law and Chaos to set aside their differences and actually *agree* on something.
I just realized that hero could be considered Law, and with what can happen in one ending with Heroine turning into a Demon, Law and Chaos can already view that they can work together instead of what they normally have been doing.
@@CallofDutyBlackOps28 I mean, you *can,* but Law kinda requires that you accept God's word and live by it.
God who has supposedly abandoned humanity.
that, and this game does a fair bit of sh*tting on Law as well.
@@christopherbravo1813 there's alot of reasons why i love this game over 2; mostly the nice art, music and how everything plays in comparison.
@@CallofDutyBlackOps28 wait, 2 is *worse?*
@@christopherbravo1813 i like 1 alot more then 2; it's really up to you though.
One step closer to the apex of gaming Majin Tensei 2
I love fire emblem SO it's great this is kinda similar
And then Ronde :)
@@cyclonemarx7020the apexer of gaming
@@cyclonemarx7020ronde is irredeemable
@@mickeymickey9914 And its sins can't be accounted for...
Fun fact: there's exactly one person to my knowledge who's attempted a Majin Tensei speedrun, and I believe it took him almost 40 hours. If this isn't proof that the game is just way longer than it ought to be, I dunno what is.
Long @$$ speedrun records: the telltale mark of just plain why in a video game. Don’t think anything’s topping the 100% Baten Kaitos speedrun, though; the hoops you have to jump through for that without the speedrun make half the games Marsh has covered look sane.
Holy shit, you're talking about FilthyBlasphemr's attempted speedrun on Majin Tensei! I remember keeping up with his videos about it on Twitter before he said "fuck it." Do you think Majin Tensei's one of those games that has tons of speedrun potential, but we're sorely missing out on stuff like glitch and/or exploit information?
@@tehandroidmaster Doubtful - I think strict grid-based mission-based SRPGs like this are some of the worst for speedrunning. No movement tech, no sequence breaks - the only thing it might have is some RNG manipulation. Otherwise, a speedrun of it would just be a "someone who's played the game before and knows what they're doing" run.
@@smergthedargon8974 Eh, there's fun to be had in learning how to play games like this optimally, and a speedrun is a good way to do that. My issue with SRPGs from a speedrunning perspective is that 99% of the time it's most optimal to just pour all your resources into one Unit and bulldoze your way through with just them. Almost every Fire Emblem speedrun is like this and they're all incredibly boring IMO.
Tbh for SRPGs it's more fun to solve for LTC (Low Turn Count) vs actual Speedruns, like take dondon151's Fire Emblem Shadow Dragon Hard 5 0% growths LTC run vs the speedrun, where the LTC has calculations, crazy optimizations and setup spanning over half the game, vs the speedrun where you just select Marth to go full distance and skip the enemy turn for the whole run
Looking forward to Nakajima Battle Royale, in which a Nakajima from every country, each with his own demonic/godly form, dukes it out in a giant brawl.
No spoilers for SMT 6!
If such a colossal event were to unfold in the Megami Tensei franchise, it would be called World War Nakajima (WWN).
Ah yes, N Gundam.
I keep imagining a bunch of Nakajimas, each with their own funny accent, fistfighting it out while trading dumb stereotypical puns.
@@Colddirector Isn't that just G Gundam?
The game even gave you a Jeigan on the first map. This is pure FE, I love it.
And Marsh even got the Jagen killed by not paying attention and overextending on a really boring slog of a chapter. I wasn't expecting him to give us The True Fire Emblem Experience in this video on top of Majin Tensei.
It’s amazing what Aoki-san was able to do with the SNES/Super Famicom sound chip.
May he rest in peace.
1:34:38 if your wondering, powering up here just means the sword now gives +6 strength instead of +3
since I had max strength that proves it did indeed have no effect for my character haha thanks
@@MarshSMT yeah once you cap str its best to use the swords that deal bonus damage to specific races (the best option imo being the dragonslayer you get in a chest on one of the floors of Lucifer’s Lair
@@Spudsterracist swords 😎
@@devilmaycrysarockingdontcomeBut only for the demon races so the good kind of it
It's like Atlus saw Fire Emblem Gaiden and thought "Let's do that, but even more tedious!"
So the Bad Ending is essentially the plot of SMT 1?
That sounds kinda cool.
It's crazy how the Smt franchise has grown over the years.
I’ve been slowly watching Marsh lose his mind making this video on twitter and I’m excited to finally see the fruits of his arduous labor
Another detailed movie-length breakdown of an obscure Shin Megami Tensei title from Marsh? This is exactly what chill Saturday nights are made of. Let's rock.
Most of the SNES SMT games have great art but the pixel art for this one in particular is insane with how good it is.
God damn how long has this been in the making like a year? Legend.
With how long turn rates are I'm sure he just finished.
Going by Shining Force, Majin Tensei and Fire Emblem Gaiden it seems like early Tactical RPGs had a serious problem with spreading out the map with nothing to do. Truly they were pioneers for the bad kind of open world games.
When I played through the game, I immediately thought of Gaiden. It's supposed to be an FE rip-off, but I wish it ripped its more thoughtful map design and lower map count.
Majin Tensei 2 is like the parts of Gaiden that's more than just an empty, but still have frustrating gimmicks. Some may find that frustrating, and it is, but at least it makes me use a brain cell so I like MT2 better
gaiden isnt an fe rip off its a mainline game@@shroudedinmyth8229
Never played shining force, only knew of it via megaman exe references to it, didn't know it's a trpg
Yeah, I get what you mean. I don’t played a little bit of the first two Shining Force games. And I played through Sacred Stones and Three Houses as my first two Fire Emblem games. So I can attest to early tactical role-playing games struggling with efficient level design.
He actually, finally did it. The Majin Tensei Experience is here. Marsh went through one of the weirdest, most obscure, most player-unfriendly strategy RPGs in the genre's history, and he came out the other side still breathing. I am in awe of both this man's dedication and his willingness to suffer for our enjoyment. Actual king shit.
Isn't Fire Emblem 1-5 even more player-unfriendly? You can even miss a healing spell in FE 5, it's actually a meme due to how often it happens. There's also an old XCOM where first few hours is just restarting the game because aliens literally one-shot your squad but I'm no expert.
@@persona3rulezi'm not done watching this video but i played Fe1 blind (+ no savestates/restarts) as my first Fe and i got soflocked at against the final boss because i didn't collect some mcguffin i didn't even know existed like 15 maps earlier.
I don't know yet if Majin pulls some shit like that but Fe1 at least is brutal without a guide.
@@persona3rulez honestly most tactics jrpgs are like that. Lets not even start with ogre battle 64, so many ways to just fuck your playthrough, miss most of the classes and items or get one of the dozen bad endings
@@atromin9323 either way, FE 4 and 5 are considered two best games and they both do some horrendous shit like large maps and absolutely dumb hit rates. Like I said, in 5 there is a character that misses healing spells like 7/10 times or so. Yet again, two best games in a franchise.
@@persona3rulezSo what I'm getting is... All tactics JRPGs suck ass?
After getting through the intro, it’s so cool to see how much better Marsh gets with every upload. You can really see the care and editing that go into each video and how they’ve improved since the already great SMT if videos
Me (single) typing, "Babe, wake up, Marsh just uploaded" into a CZcams comment box, then posting it for good boy points before watching the entire video in the dark by myself in my apartment.
Hilarious that the protag stayed silent for so many chapters before talking. What a legend.
"French Nakajima was actually one of God's angels the entire time" is a line I never expected to hear before starting this video lololol. Thank you for making another excellent video Marsh!!! You do so much for the SMT fandom
It's THAT kind of Majin Tensei Experience
"SPECIAL THANKS:
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- You"
Damn, Marsh making me cry from the video description.
Marsh: If you don't have the manual, this game will be hard to figure out. *explanation*
Me: So it's Fire Emblem with an SMT skin, sounds rad.
Marsh: The game is slow and enemy turns take forever
Me: So it's Fire Emblem _4_ with an SMT skin, even better!
1:47:14 “I am Lucifer, both your eternal enemy, and your eternal guardian” Damn that line went hard
I've never been so convinced to NOT play a game, thank you man
I find it impressive this guy is lugging around a desktop or a really bulky laptop around for this apocalyptic demon war.
Huge Thanks Marsh. You are a fuckin' god in the the SMT fanbase. True.
I'm pretty sure fire emblem fans call your blocking technique the "giant ball of death." It's definitely effective
I remember watching month after month as Marsh's twitter showcased his spiraling out of control playing Majin Tensei
I hope that the Majin Tensei Military Strategist arc's conclusion is just as beloved
I'm so glad you shouted out Hidehito Aoki, his tracks are all bangers. RIP Hidehito Aoki
This game is Fire Emblem as hell, they even give you a Jaegan in the beginning 💀
When SMTxFE was first announced I was expecting essentially a Majin Tensei revival
Genealogy map size with Gaiden map design. Beautiful.
1:14:10 Fire Emblem 4 but it's the entire game as one map.
Stuff to look at in case you want to play Majin yourself and are looking for a specific ending/demons:
18/19 - 53:15
28 - 1:04:37
30 - 1:05:29
32 - 1:12:44 (Marsh got this one after stage 34 but you could get it right after 32)
34 - 1:11:58
46 - 1:29:19 (this is a long segment, watch until Marsh gets the powered up Ino Kagutsuchi)
51 - 1:36:45
Asides from that, remember to spare demon's lives when the choice is prompted. I think with these timestamps you can get any demon and ending you desire, please correct me if i missed anything.
I played Majin Tensei on a 3DS without using Fast-Forward, do you wanna know how many hours it took me to finish it with the True Ending? 80 FUCKING HOURS D_D
It's a great game tho, slow as a snail but the soundtrack & art design is magnificent 💙
I wonder if he used my guide
@@sociallyawkard5675 he did
80 isn't so long, that's how long Innocent Sin is
@@alicevioleta3184 80 isn't that long, but compared it with the games previously released
Megami Tensei 1 & 2 were around 50 hours for the amount of grind you have to do
SMT 1 was around 50 hours
And Last Bible....uuuuuuuh, 30?
i have a philosophy that in an ideal world no game should last more than 20 hours to beat. When you past 20 hours it is because of padding. It holds true for most jrpgs, they are usually 50-100 hour experiences but most of that is grinding and padded out secondary missions.
This is what people expected from that SMTxFE game...
Two hours of Marsh covering a megaten title? Hell yeah, let’s go!
Something about the fact that like most of the named characters died in this run really established how dangerous this was and seems more realistic. Also love the romance building between marsh and rags and a jealous Minotaur trying to interfere. Love your shit dude and thanks for making this
Also I love how this is the second game where you unintentionally killed orthrus
Something not mentioned in the video: You can get them back after recruiting them through fusion! You might be able to create multiple copies of them, even. I went the neutral route after checking it out so I dunno.
This game took its ques from Fire Emblem and made it work in megaten, the overpowered Orthrus is your Jagen/paladin equivalent. In nearly all FE games you get an early game unit that's super OP for the 1st couple of chapters but you're only meant to use them as a crutch or tank enemy attacks so that your units can pick em off for kill EXP.
I played through this game, like, half a year ago, and the game got so tedious toward the later half that I felt like I was experiencing a fever dream, but instead of being subjected to a virus I was subjected to dark-green floors and light-green walls for hours. Overall, fun game, 6/10.
20 min and I already can tell this is an instant classic. Thanks Marshal
The real Fire Emblem/Megaten collab
51:01 - No matter the game,
no matter if they try new genres,
the SMT dev will have their good ol'
sadistic giggle in the dev room.
This really reminds me of the Super Robot wars games which i love. The old super famicom ones still kick my ass but Majin Tensei seems easier to pick up than a dungeon crawler for me.
It’s basically a rip off of Fire Emblem, that’s why they changed it so much in the sequel.
May I just say that the Vishnu-Flynn fight theme from SMT4A for the "Worst Stage Ever Played in a Video Game" segment (stage 45) is just perfect? It really helps encapsulate the idea of a man hitting his limit with a game that does NOT respect his time whatsoever.
発売当時遊びましたが、悪魔たちを大画面で見れたことが大きな喜びでした。戦闘はスローでしたが・・・
シナリオの完成度は、真・女神転生の世界を引き継いだ素晴らしいものでした。
Wow, I didn't know Marsh had international influence.
@@NEETKitten I guess there isn't really a massive following of this specific game online, even in Japan
It is fascinating to meet someone in such a position. What was the game like when you first played it? Did you get the true ending? Love from the USA ❤
@@nitro5247 nice to meet you!
I'm sorry with Google Translate.
I started playing games with Family Computer Megami Tensei, and got lost many times with the paper maps I made.
I fell in love with the story of Megami Tensei 2 and Shin Megami Tensei.
I remember that the ending of Majin Tensei made me feel very quiet, not impressed, as I continued to live in the world that had ended, and started looking for a way to live from the end.
Right now, I'm writing a fan fiction just after Shin Megami Tensei's ICBM explosion.
I'm still a captive of Megami Tensei!
@@AdamOwenBrowning It's true that it wasn't major, and fans at the time weren't active on social media, but there are some.
There are few Japanese people who actively appeal to overseas in order to avoid troubles caused by cultural differences.
When protag-kun first spoke, I actually thought there was some kind of copycat mimic NPC that was pretending to be me during the dialogue... because that still makes more sense to me than what actually happened, lol
Can't wait to see him play Majin Tensei 2.
MT2 is really good game (no joke). It's like Last Bible 3 for Last Bible franchise.
Finally, someone remembers the Majin Tensei series.
53:25
this sounds like the random bullshit out of Fire Emblem 4 Geneology of the Holy War, this is peak game design.
My man Marsh bringing out another full length movie of a video. Time to watch this everyday until another video comes out
French person here, just wanted to congratulate you on Étienne Alphonse Laflèche pronunciation, that was really good.
Always glad to see Marsh return with his sanity intact(?), have to appreciate how much effort goes into these reviews.
I just got to say. I really enjoy how crass and casual you are when doing these retrospectives/walk throughs.
Always feels like it 's just a friend explaining a game they like in a very understandable way. Especially with how some of the mechanics in smt games are.
This game is interesting, but the sequel is even more interesting. Apart from the slow arithmetic of the Super Nintendo, I think that "Majin Tensei 2" (i.e. the sequel to this work) is a masterpiece. Personally, I consider "Majin Tensei 2" to be on par or better than "Tactics Ogre", "Ogre Battle" , "Final Fantasy Tactics" , "Bahamut Lagoon" , "Fire Emblem" , "Little Master" , "SD Gundam G GENERATION F" , "Hiōden" and "Langrisser 2".
この作品も面白いのだが、続編は更に面白い。スーパーファミコンの演算の遅さを除けば、魔神転生2（つまり本作の続編）は名作だと思う。個人的には魔神転生2はタクティクスオウガやファイアーエムブレム、ラングリッサー等と同等以上の作品だと考えている。
As a derivative of "Megami Tensei", it's a forgotten series, along with "Last Bible" and "Devil Children".I would much rather wait for an official sequel to "Majin Tensei" (preferably one that follows the system of "Majin Tensei 2"."Devil Survivor" does not satisfy that.) than "Megami Tensei" or "Persona", but that opportunity will probably never come. It is easy to imagine Atlus and Sega not wanting to spend money on that attempt. Not only that, but since the occult boom has died down and the social atmosphere has changed in Japan since the 2000s, it may not be possible to make games with the "Megami Tensei" and "Majin Tensei" atmosphere. I think such games can only be made by people who lived in Japan in the 1970s-90s. (It is difficult to explain in detail to a foreigner, but in those days, manga, anime and games with a unique atmosphere existed as a genre. Now there are no manga, anime or games that have the unique and strange atmosphere of the pre-90s.)
女神転生の派生としては、ラストバイブルやデビルチルドレンと並んで忘れられたシリーズだ。私は女神転生やペルソナよりも、魔神転生の正式な続編（できれば魔神転生2のシステムを踏襲したもの。デビルサバイバーではそれは満足されない。）を待ち望んでいるのだが、その機会は多分永遠に来ないだろう。アトラスやセガがその試みにお金を使おうとしないことが容易に想像できる。それだけではなく、2000年代以降の日本はオカルトブームが廃れて、社会の雰囲気も変わったので、昔の女神転生や魔神転生の雰囲気を持ったゲームは作れないかもしれない。ああいうゲームは1970-90年代の日本に生きていた人でないと作れないと思う。（外国人相手に詳しく説明することは難しいのだが、あの時代は独特の雰囲気を持った漫画、アニメ、ゲームが一つのジャンルとしてあった。今は90年代以前の独特の奇妙な雰囲気を持ち合わせた漫画、アニメ、ゲームは存在しない。）
I cant believe bro said dis in english and japanese
You really have evolved from the days of Shrek Megami Tensei. Can’t wait for the next one
It's somewhat funny to realise that if this game had a more compelling cast, hub areas, dialogues and npc interaction together with quality of life improvements such as smaller levels, a faster general pace in the gameplay and so on it would have probably become easily a fan favourite in the whole franchise like devil survivor is.
Majin Tensei has a solid gameplay, sprites, OSTs and a somewhat decent story, if only more time was invested in it to smooth its edges.
Sometimes I forget what drew me to your channel in the first place. At first it was at the time recent interest in SMT, 3-4, years ago.
But then I realized. I came for SMT, stayed because you're in a funny way the Cybershell of Megami Tensei, humour wise.
I don't know how you do it but you always send me in a fucking laughing fit
No joke, I consider you one of the best SMT historians I've ever watched. Because I had no idea 99% of these games existed before your videos (and yes, I do play mainline SMT games and not just Persona games)
At this point I think Marsh has more claim to being the Minotaur's nemesis than Theseus does.
Before this video was released, I was reading a recently made translation of this game but in manga form, Majin Tensei True Rememberence. Honestly that story was written with the authors interpretation of the game
Edit: the ending feels rushed but overall its a finished megami Tensei manga so I can’t complain
that rag segment had me on the fuckin floor. great video as always marsh :)
I WAS THE EXACT SAME I was watching my screen and I was like NO FUCKING WAY THERE AIN'T NO FUCKING WAY THIS IS REAL 😂
I’ll be honest didn’t think this was coming out for at least another 4 months but I love the surprise
To be fair Flynn has speaking roles in SMT4A.
Only because he's not the main character there. Same deal with Tatsuya and Maya in each other's Persona 2 games.
Nothing like a 2 hour Marsh video to keep you company on a all night shift. Glad to see this in my notifs when it did.
Not only does the protagonist get to talk, I'm fairly certain he's one of the few that actually gets the girl
Maybe this first game (and the ones that came after) prove why it took so long to go back to SRPG's for Devil Survivor. They probably really wanted to take a break until they were confident they could make a more digestible map structure. And Devil Survivor proves that they really thought about it with its more compact maps and bigger focus on the actual combat and plot.
It's almost certainly because Ronde was so bad, killing the sub series and they didn't really have another srpg sub series, other than that one Gameboy another bible game
I swear Marsh is literally the AVGN of Megami Tensei with the descriptive dialogue alone.
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What an interesting experience.
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I also enjoy the Marsh x Rag progression.
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Went from absolute hatred, to paranoia, to sweet revenge, and now to attraction.
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I was thinking that too. It's like 2 hours of the more relaxed part of an AVGN review
Glad to see someone cover this game in as much detail as possible. As usual, rad vid man.
Can't wait for Majin Tensei II, and of course, the third entry, and best selling Majin Tensei game on the Sega Saturn: Ronde, to come out soon after this.
We'll finally have HD footage of Ronde gameplay, and the [R E D A C T E D] fight.
I used to think Fire emblem having 24 chapters were too much, BUT 59??????? NAW 💀💀💀💀💀💀
Majin Tensei’s one of the more unique franchises in MegaTen. It’s a really archaic game because of it’s painful slowness but it’s weirdly different charm from SMT makes it one of the more unique branches from Megaten. Majin Tensei 2 especially is one of my favorite SMT games because of its story and totally different atmosphere from other games. You really went all out with this video Marsh, def one of those games that you have to sacrifice any social interaction to finish. Can’t wait for SMT 2 and Majin 2!
frankly, if they remade this game with the systems and improvements that exist in this day and age it would be great
i love the majin tensei games. they're insane but i enjoy them.
'The pace of each enemy turn becomes glacially slow'
Ahhh, my SRW and SD Gundam GGen brain is tingling with nostalgia. Suddenly, I feel at home.
Fuck that can suck to experience sometimes, though. I feel ya on this one, Marsh, I really do.
I think it’s so cool the way you explained your blocking strategy during the Pandemonium map. I’ve used that same tactic for years in Fire Emblem games but now I have a fun name to assign to it thanks to you! This video was so cool also, learning about Majin Tensei was quite a ride but I feel like you did the game so much justice in playing it and giving people like myself an idea of what it’s like. I started getting into the SMT series this year and I’m so glad I finally did. Anyways, great video!
I think a marsh video about some of the old ass fire emblems would be pretty interesting, Thracia especially for all its bullshit nonsense, hell it even has dark rooms
In most Megaten games all you need to know about races is that Tyrants cannot be recruited and that’s about it.
I initially played Majin 2 just for the music, and I honestly don't regret it. SRPGs terrify me, but the price for the awesome soundtrack is well worth it for me.
I might get to Majin 1 once I'm done with it, but that'll probably be another half decade.
Your long videos are perfect for smoke sessions. Thanks dude. By the way, I saw the SMT Band of Shadows performance in Los Angeles. It was incredible listening to music from the franchise performed live with the producer on lead guitar, let alone their first Western performance
The SMT x Fire Emblem was real all along
I actually shit myself when Minotaur popped up again, return of the king! 🙌
Just now learning about this game from this video, it is (more or less) exactly what I expected and wanted when I learned that the Shin Megami Tensei series was going to have a cross over with the Fire Emblem series.
But instead we got Tokyo Mirage Sessions ♯FE...
A 2 hour video of one of the most forgotten games in the Megami Tensei series this was truly a treat.
I'm a huge fan of FE and SMT so I'm surprised I never heard of this until now. I'll really have to check this one out.
Every time I sit down and watch a Marsh video it feels like I’m right there playing the game with him. This one is no different. I’ve been a fan since your SMT if and Devil Summoner videos, and I’m so glad to see you’re still going strong. Now I really want to try this game out for myself!
I played about 3 maps of Majin Tensei, looked up how long the game was, and decided I had much better SMT games to play. Great video!
Your videos are always top quality, well edited and full of interesting bits of information. Keep up the great work, man.
def my fav channel on youtube. thank you for all you do.
I saved this to watch later to watch it again, later lol. For real tho you are one of my favorite channels ever and I look forward to you discussing any game with the amount of passion and walkthrough style look through you do. It's been one of the best times ever playing through games like shin megami tensei 1 and 2, and last bible 3 along with your videos. Thanks again
You absolute martyr. I recognize your pain and admire your determination
rip orthrus - he deserved better
the ost from this game is 10/10