Ange Postecoglu FUMES with VAR Decision! | Germany 2-0 Denmark | ITV Sport
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- The panel explain and discuss the handball decision which led to Germany's opening goal...
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Ange is my favourite pundit right now
He’s not emotionally constipated like the English
@@patrickdoyle9304 Or scared to give his honest opinion.
fr, I actually can't get enough of him & all his points are great, he literally does everything for the sport & the people. Actually making a point/arguement even from all of them, speaking honestly even if they were only allowed a few sentences. It genuinely felt really fresh. All we gotta do is somehow make the people using the technology aware of what the overall vision of football should be, how people want these rules to look, ofc people may have varying opinions but the most annoying thing is the uncertainty in the rules, it feels like everyday i see some new bs var thing happening where they managed to wiggle through & validate a negative outcome, as ange says, no one will speak of the mistakes if the goal was allowed. Stupid to disallow it, utter stupidity. But back to ange i hope we keep seeing him lol
I was expecting a lot more due to the title of the video. Easily amused knobs in the comments lmaooo
Wasn't he the same person that told Arteta and other managers not to speak about referring decisions 😂😂.
We have come to a point where you have to pray your nipples arent offside and where you are better off having no arms as a defender. 'The beautiful game' has become a joke.
Rules are rules.
@@Stanleyhamer Yeah, it's the rules themselves that don't make sense - _that's_ the whole point.
@@dez3540 They make total sense. He's either on or off, and he was off. It's a marginal call but that's sport.
I'm no fan of Wenger but his proposal to change the offside law to "clear daylight" has merit, because that was the original intention in the rulebook that nipples offside didn't really gain you an advantage.
All balls implanted with sensor which could detect very touch !
The Danish manager pointed out that he’s been told by officials that players should NOT be running around with their hands behind their backs. So they are encouraged to run normally but then proximity is taken away. This is just so dumb.
NO ONE thinks that should be a PK, but the current rules say it is. That’s a rule problem.
Too many rules
Spot on comment and I could not agree with you more and I am German!
Two rules especially, need to be torn up and started again.
The offside rule and the handball ruling, both are ridiculous.
The problem here is, we ALL know it needs changing and is pathetic, other than the Twats that make up the rules and until they realise how stupid and unfair it all is, the problem will unfortunately not go away.
i thought it should be a PK
@@interceptor7905 Not too many rules, just too many open to interpretation, which just adds to the ridiculousness and confusion of it all.
@@raybp7512 Going by the rules, as ridiculous as some are, so do I and I would say that if it had been given to Denmark.
"Deliberate handball" has now become, ball hits hand no matter how close or how fast. Pure nonsense.
At least it’s a clear rule now. Handball is one of the worst rules to pay out on the pitch as a ref. Especially with no VAR. Where does the arm start? How did the arm move ? Proximity? There is just too much to it. I rather have all Handball’s called then none or the wrong ones. Will we see more penalties? Yes. Is it good for the game? No.
You can never know if it's deliberate or not refs are not mind readers it should never be in the description I just can't believe fifa uefa can't write the rule down in a proper understandable way
Qatar 2022 FWC was the best World Cup ever.
VAR is now used for anything and has become a nuisance more than anything else. It was supposed to be used for very specific things but now it's for more or less anything. You even end up wondering why there's a referee ?
In some countries like Japan or China you rarely see less than 10mn stoppage time and it's often 15 to 20 minutes for "catch up" but by stopping the game all the time for any decision to be made they'll end up by making the game boring to watch as you need fluidity in the game.
Like VAR to see if the penalty is good or not or if the ball went past the line but it's become something that has to give excitement on any decision.
And what's this habit to give a penalty when the ball strikes a players hand unintentionally ? There's a difference between scratching your head and scalping yourself as my late mother would have said. We're crossing dangerous lines and killing football. We're going too far as always.
@maxp5422 Yes you can. It's easy to spot a deliberate handball from an accidental one. It's one of the easiest things to spot in all of football, actually😂
The issue is that unintentional handballs like this in the box are penalised much too strongly. A penalty is just too harsh of a punishment for the offence. It should be an indirecr free kick
That's a fair point
100% this! Indirect free kick. Who knows where that cross (and any cross) would go if it didn't accidently hit the hand of the defender. It could have missed everyone in the box! A penalty for a blocked cross that accidently hits a hand? Come on! Might as well just train the youth to go down the side and intentionally aim at the defender's hand/arm!
That just killed the game
@SR1Records And the thing is that didn't even block the cross. Not one person saw that and said "oh that should be a pen!" I've seen a ball clearly deflected by a hand intentionally and not a pen given
Agree that not fair
What happened to intentional handball?
Hand to ball instead of ball to hand?
How is the referee supposed to always distinguish correctly?
This is why it was given, the hand went upwards, towards the ball
@@hans-juergenbrasch3683 he was running, that's natural that the arm moves. He even tries to turn and block the ball with his side, but he shot on his not angel arm from like 50 cm.
"intentional handball" typically comes with a red card. Incidental handball is still a handball, and inside the box that comes with a penalty. Cry more and learn the game.
@@Black4Cook Incidental contact doesn't matter - his hand hit the ball. Are you new to this sport or what?
This problem ruined the spurs/Liverpool champions league final too. Can’t believe it’s still happening.
Spurs were never winning that final let's start there
It’s baffling to me that the PL teams voted to keep it
@@bradrockl8330 to be fair they played better in the final. Goal ruined the game.
@@robpayne2918 Didn't ruin anything.
Spurs had 88 minutes to do something about it. The best response they could come up with was to concede another goal.
This is an excellent clip. All 3 pundits, the US refereeing expert and the host. Brilliant discussion.
I agree.
Watching the championship last year was a breath of fresh air, no VAR ... no problem
Frank Lampard 2010 has entered the chat.
Lmao what? You mean when England cheated Denmark out of the euros?
@@gilgamesh8334 No "Lmao", I mean that without VAR people complain about the result of games for decades like Geoff Hurst goal 1966, like Maradona goal 1986, like Frank Lampard goal 2010. People who complain about VAR seem to prefer unnecessary terrible decisions being preferable.
I'm going to watch the Championship next season, VAR is killing the game as entertainment along with Man City.
@@Maccaxxx Pretty sure you won't. The closest premiership race in decades with 3 teams in the hunt till almost the last game. and you think it's ruined?!
Remember when football was simple?
Never was that was why they brought VAR in and it become even more awkward.
Hand ist Hand ✋🏼 simple
@@muci1333 true, if anything it may be simpler now than before with all the extra cases. it still feels weird if you still know how it used to be called just years ago.
@@MrSheduur yes i understand. It was clearly Hand and thats simply forbidden.
Yeah like when if someone is offside then they are offside. Which they were today but Ange is mad about it. What a demented clown
The 2018 World Cup France got a penalty because after 5 minutes of viewing they determined the ball touched Perisic’s finger. It didn’t matter that the ball rolled down the French players arm !
Qatar 2022 FWC was the best World Cup ever.
@@sbadrawi2011alol 🤡
@sbadrawi2011a it probably was the the first you ever saw
Full credit to the lady for explaining the law, whilst being open to arguments that the law itself may not be great.
She isn't explaining the law. She's making a bs observation about what actually happened turning the law into something that it doesn't says. She's an example of the incompetence.
I agree. She explained it well. Shes miles ahead of our female pundits.
@@stnbch3025she literally eexplained the law
@@AdamZadig No she never explained it. She applied it proving her incompetence.
Handling the ball
For the purposes of determining handball offences, the upper boundary of
the arm is in line with the bottom of the armpit. Not every touch of a
player’s hand/arm with the ball is an offence.
It is an offence if a player:
• deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, for example moving the
hand/arm towards the ball
• touches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body
unnaturally bigger. A player is considered to have made their body
unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence
of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement for that specific situation. By
having their hand/arm in such a position, the player takes a risk of their
hand/arm being hit by the ball and being penalised
• scores in the opponents’ goal:
• directly from their hand/arm, even if accidental, including by the
goalkeeper
• immediately after the ball has touched their hand/arm, even if accidental
@@stnbch3025 which he did. He twisted his body and lifted his hand UP to block the ball. If he was a good player he would have thrown his shoulder at it. But hes Danish and below average.
100% VAR is in charge the ref on the pitch is the assistant passing on VAR decisions
oliver could absolutely have rejected the handball. the offside by a centimeter was a wrong as well imo.. not to mention the dozens of decisions that went germanys way all over the pitch for most of the game. its usual story of the big getting needed decisions vs the small. why even bother qualifiying
The Handball and the offside are the only hot topic discussion points, ignore his part about dozens of decisions going Germany’s way etc. sounds like venting anger and would only be a legit assumption if he gave Germany the goal minute 4 as well
What did you expect Germany playing , and a English ref , l rest my case and l am English , but that ref is dire Simple watch him in England as a ref , absolutely useless
@@jacquelineithell307 useless is one thing. partial is another
The central referee on the pitch decides ultimately - that's the rules!
Love this referee official, she explains rules so well and most intelligent there. Unfortunately FIFA and UEFA come up with the stupid rules in this instance.
True. If fans would listen to her closely they would rather blame the IFA that set the clinical rules. The referees just do their job as Keane use to say
@@tyronevaldez-kruger5313no VAR re ref every decision, the final day should be down to the ref on the pitch. If Oliver says no penalty after watching the screen then it's not for the video official to make him give it.
@@ajc1482 the ref is not in charge though even the FIFA has no say. It's the IFA that restricted the referee on the pitch. They might be replaced though drones with a whistle
@@ajc1482 Refs might be replaced through drones with a whistle
Yea the problem is you don't see her or ethnic minorities being represented in the top flight in England. It's the same generic 35-50 white man, who are all equally bad at their job. I mean Michael Oliver and Anthony Taylor, England's UEFA representatives are two of the worst culprits, yet somehow continue getting the big games/tournaments.
It doesn't need a detective to work out that something isn't right with how officials are being elected.
From the VAR pictures it is ABSOLUTELY clear that the offending players eyes are not on the ball. He is looking downwards and away from the ball, the ball goes to hand not the other way round. These decisions are killing football. I don’t always agree with Keane but, like him, I hate it when defenders put their hands behind their back as it is an unnatural stance and ineffective as a defence.
Can you imagine a situation similar to this one where a player puts his hands behind his back then, as his opponent kicks the ball he turns his head and body away and...the ball hits his hands behind his back. His hands and arms are in an unnatural position. Penalty. It's only a matter of time. Perhaps it's already happened.
Eyes on the ball is not the criteria. Most of the goalkeepers dont watch the ball when they parry it...
@@grubnlicht I was making the point that the player did not handle the ball intentionally, his eyes were focused away from the ball. The VAR decision is ludicrous and the rule needs to be readdressed. What with the offside rule coming down to a couple of millimetres the whole game is becoming a joke, FFS!
@@tonybullion2537 in this case the intention is irrelevant, cause he stops the ball from getting dangerous. I think handballs near the body or from very short distance are punished way to often. Nevertheless I agree on the offside rule. Its ridiculous to rule out a goal because of a fingertip...
Experts: No offside, no penalty
VAR: Definitely offside, definitely penalty
...
Keano's body language was like "what are you talking about?" while the lady was speaking. There are so many things gone wrong with football, it has become unwatchable.
Was thinking the exact same..
Tbf it’s not her fault. She is accurately and eloquently describing why that incident is a “correct” handball call *according to the current rules*.
They definitely all think the current rules are shit, as does most of the audience, but she’s just helping clarify what the current rules are.
The more they tick boxes, the more we will switch off. They are going after movies and games as well, which is fine because we will just find other stuff to do than listen to their stupid "message"
Then hes pretty stupid isn't he. Any reasonable person can understand her lol
@@jayb2705 What box did they tick with this one?
Offside and handball cannot be so microscopic
The game is broken
Offside take is ridiculous, offsides are a matter of fact we cannot make it subjective - you’re either off or you’re on.
The hand changed the trajectory of the ball. If that’s not a Handball because he’s standing close, just run up to a player and slap the ball away
@@Faisal-hp7kr Football is a game played with the feet so why on Earth are they using other body parts to determine offsides? That's what makes me mad about all this VAR crap
Offside is black or white. You can't start to say everything under 20 cm is not offside anymore. Because than you have a problem to determine if you are 19 cm offside or 21.
Either the ball hit his hands inside the box or it didn't. In this case, it did, and it changed the trajectory of the ball. Intent and incidental movement doesn't matter.
Can we agree that this was not a penalty and the first German goal should have counted as well? Thanks.
When you watch this and listen to this you have to scratch your head at how only 1 out of 20 clubs in the Premier League voted to kick this virus out of the League. Respect to Wolves for standing up to this utter nonsense and trying to put a stop to the demise of the beautiful game.
Because like it or not there is more correct decisions made now, personally I hate VAR, but it's a fact that correct decisions are up
Michael oliver stuart atwell and anthony taylor are the worst referees in the world and they look so smug while doing it too
They are rubbish
Bottom of the pile fosho
Every referee should be under investigation for match fixing
100% agree , I wonder how FiFA sees them as world class referees? They are so inconsistent even with the technologies.
Anthony Taylor is the worst.He thinks people turn up to watch him referee.His attitude is a disgrace.
Farewell Clive Tyldesley and thank you for everything you've been incredible
28 years and ITV treated him like this? Where was the tribute
They did a small piece before the game
Whoopee
Is that all? 28 years just for a small tribute he should've got the same tribute as Klopp did when he left Liverpool
He's a White and Hetrosexual Male, what do you possibly expect from the Woke/Lib--tard ITV clowns??
@@SamCovington-fh7ek Agree have been listening for years and Clive was a pro as always tonight
Boring
As a current Football Coach, i agree with Roy Keane.
“Having your hands behind you back to defend 1v1 could lead loseing your balance and falling down.”
The people writing the rules don't know how to play or even run. No one plays looking like a penguin swaying side to side.
That being said, she's wrong in this anyways. Proximity was probably removed because it's irrelevant 99% of the time as "deliberate" or "unnatural position for the specific situation" rule out or in most of those calls.
For example, if I jump for a corner and my hands are above my head, it doesn't matter if the ball hits my hand directly from the corner or someone 2 feet away from me heads it into my hands, the unnatural position is what makes it a handball. She's also wrong in saying "because his left hand his by his side his right hand should be there too and that's the natural position for it in this moment."
The female commentator is wrong! Proximity is NOT out of the rules, and the hand is NOT above shoulder height, Anderson is turning while running. Movement of the arm is a natural thing to keep in balance. There is absolute NOTHING he could do to avoid this - except being an arm amputee - sorry for the harsh statement - but that is the thing. This particular VAR rule is absolute nonsense. Alone the fact that most of the experts on the panel come to the same conclusion is disturbing. SO - the decision is arbitrary: What does the central referee and VAR think in THIS particular situation. I personally think the referee in the stressed situation didn't have the courage to counter the VAR. CONCLUSION: VAR isn't better than the decision made by a referee WITHOUT VAR!
The proximity case was taken away 3 years ago?! Wtf... arguably the most important point that was protecting players from stupid handballs
All starting to add up now. They're putting refs common sense of "that's never a penalty" against some stupid revisionist rules drilled into them. That's why there's no consistency
They must have covertly taking that rule away in the middle of the night without any formal announcement or notification, just like the establishment do with our Rights and Liberties. How fitting!
It was about the silhouette rule which I don't think is a bad rule. You shouldn't be allowed to make your body bigger regardless of how close you are by throwing out an elbow or hand
@@leannecampbell4551 it’s a penalty if he blocked the cross. But my issue is that it hit his thigh first then it hit his arm. The deflection of the thigh caused the arm hit.
@@jackhamilton5250 it’s a penalty if he blocked the cross. But my issue is that it hit his thigh first then it hit his arm. The deflection of the thigh caused the arm hit.
People who can explain away a decision like that and seemingly be ok with it should be nowhere near football.
She’s a referee and she’s just explaining the law, well.
✋🏼 explained ✅
the rule is shit, but this is the rule, we have to live with it as long as they do not change it. I doubt any true fan likes these almost idiotic handball rules at all, but they would have given it on the other side too if there was a handball like this. In my active time of playing football it would have never been given, once for being too close from shot to the player and then for not actively reaching towards the ball. but that is not the ruleset the tournament works with anymore.
@@muci1333 What are you talking about?
@@ajb1149 You should play with your feet.
Thank God we have American women to tell us what football is all about.
She's explaining the rules you bigot. And she is doing a good job of it. Her nationality or sex has no bearing on that.
?? She knows the rules of the game better than you do bud
@@blenderboy1900 I wouldn't put money on that, mate.
American brown women to be exact😂
All she’s done is state the law as is
She didn’t defend it
We all know it’s daft
Unsure what race and gender has to do with it
If anything she has been more in the side of the pundits
Very strange take
The solution is obvious: Give an indirect free kick for accidental handball. Why has no pundit ever thought of this idea, and why have they never pushed for this as the answer? For deliberate handball you give a penalty. You could also potentially give a penalty if the accidental handball stopped a shot that was clearly going to go into the back of the net, or blocked an assist for an open-goal tap-in.
I like it.
Utter rubbish. You're still giving a foul for something that isn't a foul.
Because 99% of the times handballs aren't deliberate plus it's very hard to determine which ones are deliberate or not
VAR is chipping away at The Greatest Sport In The World!! 🤦⚽🤦⚽
Don't mention the VAR.
It’s the people in that room that’s the problem.
I think the old "is the ball catches the hand or the hand catches the ball" rule was clear enough. And mostly accurate. VAR shouldn't involve hand play cases.
How do we know the VAR 3d model wasn't edited with changed angles or few frames late. We didn't see the real life replay on TV.
Hats off to Cristina for just laying out the law as it stands, completely objective. That's why it was given.
I think the law that allows that to be a penalty is awful and needs to be reviewed.
That’s the problem - it’s about football rules , it’s a game ! Not a f***ing legal arbitration process !
@@conallgeneral8136 There have to be CLEAR rules for there to be consistency.
The problem comes when she is trying to explain technicalities of rules from a game she has never played in her life at any credible level.
Dude she just always backs the ref.
@@conallgeneral8136 It's top level sport, you have you have rules. They're not having a kick about in the park.
The game is ruined. The football that we all love and know is being destroyed by people who never played football.
why is the game ruined after a clear penalty for handball in the box? Every player can have his arms where he likes, but if he had advantage of his arm position and block the ball with his arms it becomes illegal and the other team with disadvantage becomes a freekick or penalty in the box. That's nothing new in the rule box, the only new thing is that you have a VAR with more "eyes" to check the situation.
The advantage and disadvantage is the reason for a illegal handball. In this situation the cross from David Raum was deflected and flys 5m higher because of the hand deflection of the danish player. Because of the deflection Havertz have no chance in the center for a header and this is the disadvantage.
That's the reason why players try to block cross passes with the armes on there side/back have there arms in front and not a the the head in the wall at a freekick, etc. Bigger body because of the arme position means advantage for the player. The intensionally or the unintensionally does no matter.
Is that like politicians and life
@@muratti72muc ok go run and see where your arms go. Is that an unnatural position? Let me guess, you never played football. Natural position of the arms are not always down by your side. That's a rule made up by people who don't play the game
And money………
A simple decision is now complicated because it can mean your league position and thus the revenue the team accrues.
Same applies with relegation.
@@david_fitzmauriceAbsolutely correct. Referees don’t run with their arms down by their side or behind their back so why do they expect the players to do so. Also anyone who has played football knows that when sliding for a ball your arms automatically come up the same when jumping to head the ball. This new idea that if the ball is deflected that makes a difference, why, it’s the action of the player not where the ball goes. It’s clear the rules have changed and are being interpreted in a different way than previously as explained in the video. Now whether this is a correct position or one that should be reviewed / amended is what we should be discussing. This all seemed to start with the Spurs v Man City Champions League game and the fuss about the Spurs goal. Man City did then press the games authorities to do something and they did but once they started they have just pushed the rule further and further to what seems a crazy position.
The faces on the 3 lads when the bird is talkin 😂😂
Remove VAR! Remove technology from all sport! It kills the competition!
humanity... first they want clear proof via technology, then it kills the comp and needs to go.
It’s not the technology it’s the people in the Room.
If he was Ashley Young that's never a pen, Oliver gives this one but not the one against Forest... Absolute joke! 🤯 😂😂😂😂
…and yet Forest voted in favour of VAR.
Oliver didn't give it. The stupid rules did.
they literally just said in the video it's not on the ref lol
@@robphilpott43 forest and all the other clubs want it to work, it's not the technology...if the officials are so up their own backsides and useless at being consistent thats due to personnel. It's no surprise that Oliver's making it all about him at the euros... At least I guess that's consistent!
Oliver needs sacked he's that bad he couldn't referee a Sunday league amateurs match useless
TBH, it is either handball or it is not. It is either offside or it is not. If you allow a toe... how much of a toe? There is always a line somewhere and there is always a millimeter past that arbitrary line. Controversy will NEVER go away.
But the question is should the game be refereed in this clinical way? With all this technology there is STILL uncertainty. It’s obviously not black and white. There needs to be more room for human on field judgement. Like in cricket where you have ‘the umpires call’
until 1990 being on the same line (height? not sure, not my first language) as the Defender was actually offsides, FIFA changed the rule to how it is now. Maybe we could go back to how it was before, should be easier to call, at least no more offsides by a toe.
To the mm is correct no controversy, but handball needs looking at
@4lifekickass100 there is literally no uncertainty here? That was offside, you just don't like it
Aye, Insane how many people don't get this. If you allow close decisions to go through the problem doesn't go away, it just gets moved.
lol no complaints with VAR when Dalots shot accidently struck Kimpembe's elbow (who was facing away from the ball) in the 2019 ManU v PSG game - I recall alot of happy brits then 😉
The blatant PSG-Newcastle handball that PSG gave away wasn’t given when Newcastle played PSG off the park so not sure what you’re on
They need to just return to the common sense of:
Ball to hand - Accidental - Not a penalty.
Hand to ball - Deliberate - Penalty.
That offside was ridiculous too. What happened to being “in line”? Who decided that rule needed to be changed?
A grade 6 student would be able to make a VAR graph of off side or no off side.
Mate these rules are basically ruled out with this tech.
Everyone discusses and complains about the fact that he was 1 cm offside with his foot and that such a decision would be ridiculous. But when Germany lost to Japan at the World Cup and the ball was virtually out of bounds, everyone said that the ball was not completely out of bounds because it would have been 1 cm in the field. That's your double standard, you always take it into account as it suits you. 1cm offside is and remains off the beaten track
The rule has never changed, if you're 1cm past the last defender you're still offside. If there is one thing var is consistent on its offsides, although personally I'm with you, it's always been benefit of the doubt to the forward as if you're a few inches off you're not gaining any real advantage, I don't want to see goals ruled out for having a toe or shoulder just offside.
@@x-pw4qk how can they use VAR to disallow for 1 cm ..when it is impossible to determine when the ball left the foot of the passer?
People acting like this was some robbery, Germany had better control of the game generally, they had better opportunities, more opportunities and if you want to say the handball is soft regardless what the rule is, then Germany's first half goal should stand because was he blocked off? Yes, would he of gotten to the ball if he wasn't blocked off? No, so that goal should have stood too. The outcome was fair regardless of 1-2 decisions you can say aren't what fans would of wanted for the game.
You don't know ball. The game might have been 1-1 and Denmark probably might not have been that open to get Musiala goal. And games are won by goals, not control and opportunities.
@@_sayan_roy_ The game might have been 1-0 inside the first 10 minutes and Germany shut out the rest of the game, forcing Demark to be open late on and still getting the Musiala goal? In the end of the day offside is offside by the rule, handball is handball by the rule, so what "corrupt robbery" has taken place? None. Even if you take the penalty out, the game gets late, both teams open up trying to find a winner and Musiala gets the goal when the games open, Germany still wins. Learn ball yourself 👍
There's a lot more money in it for the old fifa dogs if the host stays in the tournament longer, just because of a few thousand Danish fans can't compare with full stadiums brought by the host. And guess what, Germany was struggling at that point in the game. Now we couldn't have that, could we? The new yachts were already purchased
@@Stfguac Lol I don't even disagree it's more advantageous for the hosts to stay in longer...NOW tell me by the rules of the game for this tournament was the handball a handball? Yes. Do you think it's soft or not, like it or not? Irrelevant. Was the offside by the rules of this tournament offside? Yes. Do you think it's a bad rule or not, like it or not? Irrelevant. So what corruption has happened that you're insinuating other than just insinuating with nothing actually behind it? Lol
I wonder if the ref would have also called it a foul If a striker would have been blocked in the same way....and we all know the answer: No!
Why’s everyone complaining about the offside being so close when the scoring striker was much further offside in the same exact moment. He clearly interfered, even drawing a defender out. They should’ve just shown that in VAR.
Also the handball, while accidental, blocked a dangerous cross. You gotta draw the line clearly. It’s the same for any team in any match. The only debatable decision was the disallowed 1:0. Note that this happened against Switzerland as well. Calling it rigged for Germany is total bs. Maybe English fans are just salty because they’re afraid.
The issue is that we don’t even understand what a hand ball is anymore
The block from Kimmich should never have been called a foul and that early goal would have changed the whole game. Germany had tons of big chances plus close offside calls and simply was the better team after all. That handball was, according to the rules, pretty clear, too. Soo...?
They wouldn’t complain if it was England! They’re just bias that’s all
@malakai4896 weird how ange the Aussie agreed....
it was a foul he literally looked a him and stepped in his way
Yes blocking should be allowed like in American football..... strewth clearly a foul! And the handball is a joke, must players run around with their hands behind their backs? Some defenders seem to spend more time doing that than ought else!
@@Alf-hp7qy in Aussie rules that block is fair dinkum
I switched the match off after that absurd offside and handball decision.
Same, time to boycott this woke clown show!
Me too
And then there was 3..
Same. I've done it countless times with VAR
Offside✅Hand✅
Man what are they all crying about. Germany had 2 (!!) goals disallowed, compared to denmarks 1. First goal was scored in the 4 minute. It was unrightfully taken off. If it was given, the game would have been way diffrent. So stop crying about an offside an a handball that was clearly visible. If the ref wouldnt have been that strict, denmark would have been 0:1 down within the first 5 mins. So STOP CRIYING. The better team cleary won, and deservedly so. Let's go germany 🇩🇪
Germany missed so many “open” goals chances, they should be embarrassed to even put on that jersey.
@@Leontemplar-yt6ff this has absolutely nothing to do with my point ?
Everyone crying about the decisions that went against Denmark but not the decisions that went against Germany
What went against Germany? The penalty they were awarded? 🤣🤣
@@jkjk6671 Did you watch the game buddy?
There was nothing against Germany, you tweaking
@@truegodrimuru8513 first goal?
@@truegodrimuru8513 Germany had 2 goals disallowed. Sane was also fouled in a 2v1 on goal.
Fans never getting satisfied. On the one hand they complain about the referee's wrong decisions or whether the handball was intentional or not. Now the VAR shows them everything exactly and objectively and now it's still not right.
The penalty for hand is clear but the VAR decision for refuse the goal.... we have seen lot of outside goal not checked. If germany had score same goal never they would check with var.
@@SaltBushCity u forgot the rule have changed . The hand must to be intentional OR to have modify the surface of the body between the ball and the goal.
That is the reason why practilky all hand are whistled now.
That's why the only solution is to apply the rules consistently to the letter which the officiating at the EUROS have achieved so far unlike the blatantly inconsistent refereeing seen in most games in the major leagues especially in the EPL.
@@Christophe-pl5xu Really in the 4th minute they called a foul on a block.. a block is part of the game.
Statement is just not true.
VAR is not exact or objective at all. It’s still down to personal opinion it just takes longer but is not better.
Simple as 3 people who have been involved in the game at the very top, lectured by a woman who sounds "American" to me. Crazy!
Sissoko had the same decision against Liverpool in the European Cup, inside the first minute of the game.
Nothing said or done
I think it hit his side before the arm they still gave it
@@barryetheridge6639thats even worse 😂
"WE, ⚽️ HAVE MOVED ONTO HUMANOIDS STANDARDS, 😂 ." ❤🇬🇧❤
The funny thing is that a few weeks ago the Premier League managers opted to keep VAR so now we're destined to get crazy decisions like this one and others from this coming season.
It wasn’t managers it was owners of the clubs managers don’t have that power lol
you mean crazy correct decisions like these? you want to go back to refs deciding stuff on a whim with you wondering what the f* the bloke was thinking when he made that boneheaded call against your team?
@@jackreilly4417yea, not sure why people think managers have that type of power at football clubs.
I dislike VAR but it's a fact that there is more correct decisions made now
I doubt if many managers would support VAR and I know for a fact that NO game attending fans support it. Armchair fans like it and owners like TV money. That's why they voted for it. VAR breaks can be used to show commercials.
@@fatroberto3012 I don't even think arm chair fans like it, majority of people are arm chair fans and I don't really know anyone that would keep it
The analyst, I don't care that she's female, I can't take an American accent chatting about football (soccer) seriously 🙄
Please remember all, VAR was introduced because England felt betrayed in WC 2010, but England is still complaining. If complaining was a sport, England would be eternal Champions!
The offside was even crazier. If you have to count mm then it should be never offside
It is harsh but at least this automated system is precise & quick unlike what we we have in the Premier League where the referee has to walk over to the monitor, they draw the lines & it takes a billion hours to decide! Our offside system is corrupt compared to this tournament.
A bit offside is still offside!? 🤷🏻♂️
never mind that he was only offside when the ball was passed to another player. he was back onside when the ball was passed to him. he had zero impact on the play of the initial pass and first attempt on goal that resulted in him receiving the ball while onside. utterly stupid call.
@@Cyril_Sneer did you even watch the game? do you have a clue?
The game is called football, if your feet are onside then you're onside, its that simple to sort out.
This one really hurts. Denmark was IN this game up until that penalty. After that, they had to open up in the back and Germany could take the game. Feels so bad to go out this way...
its war a claer penalty, not even close....
@@supermahni Rubbish. If that's a penalty we might all as well go home and never watch another game. Very much a case of a ball to hand, from close proximity. No way the defender can get out of the way. The rule on handball needs changed.
1 goal disallowed and then a penalty poorly given- that’s a two goal swing unfairly
@@mikem9309offside is still offside you clown
@@mikem9309 Clear cheating for G. Transparent fraud.
Dont get how the discussion is getting that big after this scene. There were so many more fcked up decisions throughout the tournament (i.e. Romania Slovakia penalty). This one is a clear deflection of the ball getting in a goal-promising position
The real issue is that VAR is too involved in games. That for me is not clear and obvious, proximity is too close and his hand is in a natural position. VAR should be a system that ONLY steps in on the rare occasion it is needed. It's like a an overzealous co-worker looking to find fault rather than being there when it's needed. Incredibly harsh penalty that.
An American girl who used to be a referee (& possibly a lawyer) lecturing the laws of football to Wrighty & Keane. You can see their frustration. "Beautiful Game" no more. 😞
Yeah but she's good though. She knows her stuff inside out.
@@Mac2point1 No she isn't.
@@Mac2point1she’s crap
She is part of cbs crew. As an American, she just always backs the ref in every controversy.
People that cry "The beautiful game is no more" are just people that are mad that technology has become an objective measure and application of the rules. They loved when the refs missed calls and it went their way. Go watch professional wrestling.
I turned the TV off as soon as this happened. VAR will kill football.
It's not VAR, example it worked perfectly for the depay disallowed goal that was judged as handball but decision was a clanger and was reversed correctly. It's when refs over analyse a decision like today... Its the English refs that are the problem!
I did the exact same
It's because you lot don't like Germans. That's why...go and sleep0
I am sure you turned it off because it was Germany above all.
Game’s gone
She’s literally just admitted the ref is not allowed to overturn these discussions so therefore why is he shown the monitor??? That is re-refereeing a game and looking for issue nobody else is - therefore not being used for the purpose which was clear and obvious
I’m a Celtic fan (from Scotland) I’ve been to 2 games since VAR has been a thing and I’ve never been back. I went to a local junior team recently just to watch football and honestly it was the best football I’ve experienced in a long time. No var, no “your ballsack swung into an offside position”…. Just a bunch of lads playing football chucking in some tackles.
Top level football is 100% FINISHED.
At least they got a VAR decision Scotland didn’t even get that for one of the clearest penalties ever.
Stop whinging about not getting the penalty.Armstrong initiated the contact by jumping ( both feet off the ground) in front of the defender and grabbed his shirt in the process.🤯🤯🤯
The var are a bunch of nerds who have never touched a ball never mind playing at any level, they know nothing about football.
It’s garbage but they are enforcing the current fifa rules. They need to change the laws.
Tell that to the Danes. Not much of a consolation. And Scotland for that matter. Dodgy decisions or blatant cheating and favouritism??
@@ryanmcdonnell665 "They need to change the laws so my favorit team is never offside or gets pens for playing with their hand" 💀 It was offside, fact. Impact with the hand on the ball, fact. Now go cry about it.
@@FLaSHexXx what are u talking about nobhead. I’m talking about the handball not offside and secondly I couldn’t give a fuck about the result
@@marksmarsh2039 no it’s not cheating, they have to enforce the current laws. The laws need changing.
Our pundits don't understand the rules !!!!!!!
Because the rules are constantly being changed.
They understand the game- the spirit of it.
People who implement the rules, don't understand the game
UK media punditry is 80% giving out about referees/VAR/laws of the game, and 20% talking about heart and character.
Bring back an indirect free kick for unintentional handball.
I get it but Germany dominated that game so I don’t understand why they are upset .. if Denmark dominated that game and lost because of this goal I get it ..the better team won
Decision definitely turned momentum.
Game was back and forth till then. There was a goal on the other end a mere 15 seconds before this.
Everything fell apart within those 30 seconds.
It was a pivotal moment in the game tbf, but agree Germany were the better team overall and deserved the win. Don’t agree with the penalty decision though, very unfair on Denmark, but thems the rules at present. VAR. is still very new and evolving and clearly still a long way from perfection.
@@TelucDKback and forth? Germany had quite a bit more dangerous chances
Funny you don’t mention the wrongfully overturned Schlotterbeck header. Almost like you’re a deeply unserious person.
@@TelucDK First Goal from Germany that got taken away also broke momentum
My problem with the handball is that I saw the referee and the images he had on the field...........and they just show the frames where he connects with the ball! There is no context.......the referee doesn't know where the hand and the player and the ball were the frame before to correctly assess.
It’s clear penalty. It’s always counted as penalty since his arm was raised up and away from the body. It’s not an odd case. These are the rules, we like it or not.
Denmark were somewhat robbed, half an inch offside given by VAR, and the part of the body that played the ball wasn't even offside, then given a penalty the minute after which was so ridiculous and would have never have happened if Denmarks goal originally stood. Would have been a totally different game. Feel sry for the Danes
It reminded me of that farce in the CL final when Salah booted the ball at the Spurs defender in the first 5 mins from a yard and won a pen . Farce then farce now.
true, still the right call if these are the rules. there are quite a few of these bad rules, for example when you are cleaing a ball away, already in the motion and from behind you/to the side of you someone rushes into your motion and conveniently drops himself over your leg in the last phase of that motion without them even having a chance to get to the ball, but then this gets called. especially frustrating when it causes a soft penalty.
lots of this stuff is messed up as hell, but unless the rules get changed we have to live with it. complaining about it won't change it, especially when alot of folks only really complain because it was pro germany, if they are honest with themselves.
think it was mane
@@MrSheduur I always talk about this. I don't see what the defender is supposed to do when that happens
Same with United when they beat PSG with that ridiculous handball penalty decision.
@@tomeskdale2642 ah yea it was Mane !
just watch the facial expressions of RK and AP....listening to the lady pundit....lol
They look like they want her bad
@@shay8202 You wouldn't ride that into battle.
@@CompetentGuitarist I’d ride anything that moves
@@shay8202💀
Is there a by-plane taking off in the background?
I've no idea who the lady is but I like her. Succinct, articulate and clearly knowledgeable of the subject matter to the extent that she can explain it simply. Plus she called it football, so well done her ;)
You're a s*cker for form and clueless to substance. Her observations are so bad it doesn't matter what the law says, she has no clue what she's looking at.
Sorry ladies but the offside and penalty decisions were correct and VAR was there to prove them. Most of these comments seem to be more about a hate of Germany than the VAR system. If these were decisions in Englands favor you would read how VAR is the best.
Ange and the chaps are doing a great job of calling out this absolute dogsh*t. Christina's just been wheeled on to justify absolutely terrible rules.
What is she supposed to do? She does not make the rules
What are you talking about, All she I’d doing is explaining the process.
She literally said it should be reviewed! But she made sure to direct the problem at the body that can actually make the change instead of yelling at the ref who did his job as he is (current and wrongly) supposed to.
She stated the rules but didn't justify them. That would be for someone far above her pay grade in IFAB or whatever organisation she repeatedly mentioned. I don't think that anyone round that table thought that it should have been a handball.
Yep got it. She's just following orders.
I think we gone too far on this,there's no debate that the ball touches the hand and there's no debate that the hand is not attached to the body,so it's a penalty,and 1 centimetre offside is still offside,last tournament Germany were knocked out by goal which is 1 centimetre in,and we creating debates when there's not any,yes it's not deliberate but the ball changes it's trajectory so it's a penalty
RIP Clive Tyldesley. He drove into a pylon on his way home yesterday at 11:26pm. 🕊️
The problem is that lawyers - like the US lady in the panel - are now the problem- they being an assinine perspective to football .😮
Honestly they should just pay former players more if they decide to be a referee to bring in that type of f eel
She's more painful than watching England
The nasal accent is like finger nails scraping a blackboard
I think she's alright actually.
She knows her stuff
'Where's the bloke love'
@@stevetobin7495 I count 4
Look at the reactions and facial expressions of the players and managers you know how most of the VAR-assisted decisions are against their expectations, surprising and anti-football.
😂😂😂😂😂 if England, got a decision like that in their favour, all those pundits would be saying Teams need a bit of luck, to win big Tournaments , hypocrisy at top level!!
Who is the woman who seems to know all the rules but not the game?
A lawyer from USA.
Yes exactly..Roys facial expression tells all.
She was a ref in the women's game lol she's utterly clueless
That denmark goal disallowed over a toe offside is terrible...micro managing the game like this is too far...handball for penalty is another stinker!
If its offside its offside why do u have the issue with that
@@sammypie5501 As if _you_ actually take every VAR decision against _your_ club _well_ - when a player's a toenail offside.
@@dez3540 well i had no issues bc line drawn offside isn't accurate to do that
Refs are applying the offside law amazingly well. They don’t create the laws, they apply it. People don’t like the law, when they fall foul of it. They love it when it helps them
If that was gemrany toe you would moaning and crying. "Offside is offside dude"@@sammypie5501
If it was the other side England they would have supported the penalty decision.
Ange and Thomas Frank have been the best pundits of this tournament. Outstanding the pair of them.
Offside wasn’t invented for being a big toe offside.
And how could you ever say that was a deliberate handball .
rules, you should read them sometime. fascinating stuff.
@@MrSheduur qualified ref Mate
Just say you’re sad that Denmark lost and move on. These aren’t even close to the most controversial calls we’ve had this summer in both copa America and euros. And the disallowed 1:0 for Germany was way more subjective than something as measurable as a hand ball or an offside decision. It’s also weird how none of these people were upset when Germany was denied an obvious penalty against Switzerland, but now we’re all ready to fundamentally change the rules of the game bc we didn’t like two decisions from the ref? The bias is embarrassingly obvious
@@lukasp5892 so what can we critique VAR on ? We’re speaking about These points because this is what the video was about ……
VAR was a fundamental change to football ……..
Offside when it was brought in was a fundamental change…….
Substitutions were a fundamental change (from 1,3, to now what seems unlimited)
We have to talk about these decisions and potential changes, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to think that a toe being offside might need to be looked at.
@@Unknownvillian___ ok so you disagree with the way the current offside rule works, what do you suggest? The whole foot needs to be offside for it to be considered? More than the foot? The player needs to be at a clear advantage over the defender in the offside position for it to be considered offside? How much wiggle room do we want to give the referee to make those calls? Right now the rule is objective and measurable.. it is considered offside if ANY part of the body that is legally able to play the ball (feet, head, upper body) is closer to the goal line than to the last defender and the ball. The hand ball rule is also pretty clear, and if your hand is stretched out from your body in a position that isn’t a result of your natural movement (Andersen was barely moving when he raised his hand, the position of his arm had nothing to do with his run), it’s a hand ball. VAR has been around for almost a decade at this point, this conservation and controversy is nothing new and neither are the rules. Your initial comment just sounds like you’re bitter that Denmark lost which is why I said what I said lol. Germany were clearly the better team and won with some decisions going their way and some going against them 🤷🏻♂️
Most of the crying about offside/handball are just people who don't like Germany. The better team won. The team that deserved to win won. Deal with it.
People from Great Britain are simply envious because we‘re the best and succesful european football country while they either haven’t won shit, for almost 60 years or nothing at all. It‘s embarrassing.
@@marvin9409 They complain a lot. It's part of their culture. Imagine having shit sport, shit weather, shit food, shit women. It takes its toll.
Not really, refs always corrupt for the host and it showed today.
@@mati_mistrz9604 Yeah totally makes sense especially considering how no home team has won the Euro in 40 years. Genius analysis here guy.
@@marvin9409 The ref was from Great Britain btw.
I was almost taking the lady seriously there when he said Oliver got all decisions spot on then remembered the same clown somehow decided that Romero did not commit a handball foul when they played Manchester United earlier last season.
Ball to hand - old rule was completely fine, made sense and was east to play with. Fucking crazy
So the English are needing an American Lady to explain the Football rules? thats so cringe!
not only that but she's EVERYWHERE, probably related or in a relationship with someone very influential in the football business or some broadcaster. Very annoying.
And they got an Aussie to confirm VAR is re-refereeing the game...who cares where they come from
@@buzzliteyear11lol
The only cringe thing is caring where an expert is coming from
Only Wright is English, Ange is Australian and Keane is Irish 😂
There is no more hand ball…. It’s now…. Ball hand….. it’s bonkers…. The panel is 100% CORRECT…
The handball rule in present day football has got to be the most ridiculously stupid rule ever introduced into any sport ever.
This is an absolute joke. I feel as if they rewrite the roles every year..
There's no way that's a penalty clear ball to hand.
I've loved football all of my life, but I'm finding myself pulled out of the sport. I'm definitely not as involved as I was before Var was introduced.
If this continues within a year or two I won't be watching football at ALL..
She explained it during match for about 2 minutes which i still dont know what she said . Then ally mcoist said it in 5 secs .
She just waffles complete jibberish and thinks her cute Yankie accent will get her off the hook. Even as a fellow Female, I can completely agree with the sentiment that suggests these clowns have destroyed our once great game.
She explained the law. She’s trying her best to not express bias against or for it. I think she did a really good job at explaining the actual law put in front of refs
@@ShaneMcJaywe have different opinions
@@ShaneMcJay yeah she explained it brilliantly without emotion
If you didn't understand that explanation, that's honestly on you
Overall Germany played well enough to win the game, but how they got there leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
they won 2-0, had at least 3 100% chances to make it 3 or 4 nil. there should be no bad taste. they won fair and square and all that squabbling about the poor danes. none of the important calls was wrong under the current rules. even the two disallowed goals for germany. It is unfortunate for the danes that they had this sequence where the guy in the midst of it was even the same guy, but they cannot complain. the calls were factual and correct. if they were really off, they would have had a point. but to now sour this for the german team who was clearly the deserved winner here, that is just bad sportsmanship tbh.
i love ange perfect manager for us
Why is nobody talking about the origins of rules.
1) Handball is to stop people deliberately manipulating the ball with their hands (picking it up, blocking shots etc)
2) Offside is to stop poaching and standing on top of the keeper
Use offside the same way Rugby uses a "flat pass". Is it always 100% flat or backwards? No, but the rule stops throwing the ball intentionally forward.
Football is a dynamic sport. The rules should be common sense, not lines drawn on a screen and "handball detectors" in the ball
This is why Amateur football is a better watch in my opinion. You have 1 referee, 2 linesman (if youre lucky) and it has human error. As long as we correct decisions for red cards for bad tackles off the ball and for instances the referees genuinely didnt see with VAR thats cool
Just use Rugby as a template and copy it straight over
Goal line technology is the only one that works, because its a stationary moment on the park. A definitive line, and an accurate representation of if the ball is beyond it or not.
Stop complicating the game with rules only written down. Explaining offside and handball should be easy
1) did the player intentionally handball the ball, if so, that's a foul. If not, not a foul
2) is the player CLEARLY recieveing a forward pass with only 1 or less opposing players ahead of them, ie standing on the goalie. If so, it's a foul, if not its not a foul.
This leaves some interpretation for referees and human mistake. If an attacking player times there run where they create doubt about whether theyre onside or offside thats a skill, and should be rewarded, as this isnt what a breach of the rule that was put in place to create structure to the game - to stop the players launching the ball forward to poachers standing on the keeper.
This isnt hard to understand. And until the rules change we are going to have sportsmen and sportswomen feeling cheated by "official rules"
Football isnt an exact science, its a sport. And it should be treated this way.
Bring back the major talking points being about the skills and mistakes players make, and not about decisions referees make
Love how the men were just completely against what the woman said. She knows she is talking shite