I wish i could remember it exactly, one of our wrestling coach was Native American and he had this saying, "Let my enemy be smart and brave so that i may feel pride in victory." Always had the best stories about Sitting Bull and what it means to be a war cheif, how its better to fight smart than strong. Man he was a good guy. Helped me get into college
You are a GIFTED narrator my man. I can perfectly visualize scenario and setting you describe, and it’s made this channel easily one of my favorites. We all appreciate the work you do!
Gorm is written on a stone. William Wallace is written on a stone. Calalus was found in Arizona. So much history. Thank You. Love it all. Medicine Gat Geoglyphs have a chiefs head and a viking head. Cyclopian walls in Montana. Etc. Etc.
@@JDoe-gf5oz Couldn't agree with you more. Women, wine, beer and cheese--anything a Viking wants that isn't tied down on both ends--will be gone after the Vikings sack Greenbay. Otherwise, anything not tied down still left in Greenway are the leftovers: ugly women, corked wine, skunky beer, and Limberger.
@@JDoe-gf5ozNo one can bring to the Jets the magic, glint and glamor of Broadway Joe. Football was fun then. Good luck to Aaron Rodgers, however. I feel so sorry for today's sports fans and those who play professionally any sport. The wokesters, the cancel culture warriors, have taken the fun out of everything, and financially damaged the professionals now playing and those to come. Take this to the bank. Far more people used to enjoy various sports than drank Bud Light. Broadway Joe was a man's man. He would be described today as suffering from toxic masculinity, unacceptably virile, with excessive testosterone levels, things that with the right hormone therapy could make him sweeter, effeminate, softer. That's the way it is, IMHO. Oh, and stand up comedy also no longer is fun. Only Dave Chappelle is free. Others are chained.
Incredible to think how far the Vikings went in their open boats. Coming to North America hundreds of years before any other Europeans. I really enjoyed your short video. 💪🏻🙏🏻✨
@@thechiefwildhorse4651true, but that doesn’t discredit the fact that the Scandinavians were the best Sea Faring people of their time, they crossed freezing oceans over long months to create new settlements and thrived for many years, and their naval force could take down great kingdoms such as England and France
The Harvard Classic Series has a book on American history that coverings early writings. It chronological so the first entries are the writings of the Vikings. They cover contact with natives and Freydís Eiríksdóttir betrayal of her expedition. Would be a great source for a future video.
In close combat I’d say Viking held a greater than slender advantage, mostly because, as you note, their metal armour and arms was far superior to the stone weapons of the natives. On the other hand, the natives knew the land, had systems of subsistence already in place, and likely for more numbers. I agree it was a fair fight.
@@thechiefwildhorse4651 Yes, at the time Vikings first made contact, Native Americas utilized stone or antler/bone tipped weapons. Which is not to say such weapons were not deadly--simply not as effective as metal weapons, particularly in close combat. Now, in later centuries, native tribes, especially plains tribes like comanche, adopted European weapons and the horse and were some of the most potent mobile warriors the world has ever seen. Lastly, there is definitely descendants of Vikings across the world.
@@matthewcampa3276 Horses have been long before Caucasians were created from swine. Caucasians talk like they know all history and most of history literally does not include Caucasians lol -COMANCHE NATION
And with these Norsemen and Proto-Inuit began a legacy of bloodshed that wouldn’t end until the last Bronco Apache was killed in the Sierra Madre Mountains in the 1920s.
You have presented an exciting narrative of Norse and indigenous people. How might history been different had the Norse been able to conquer and settle North American as they had much of Europe.
Exactly. A slow but steady migration. Trading of knowledge and technology. Slower introduction of farm animals and European diseases. So mamy interesting what-ifs?
As a side note: Many people are not aware, that during this time (about 800 - 1000 A.D.) Europe suffered equally from raiding Vikings (Scandinavians), Moors (Muslims) and Magyars (Hungarians). Though the Vikings as Normans and the sedentary Magyars as the Hungarian Kingdom later became defenders of Western Europe against continuing Muslim raids and conquest. The Hungarians (like the Poles) also in the end fending off the Mongols for good, after initial defeats.
@@wolfgangkranek376 Indeed. Who doesn't like getting introduced to rare and exotic music, learning new scientific techniques and knowledge ( that would prove instrumental in the discovery of the Americas in 1492), rare and beautiful architectural forms and techniques,( some of which still stands today and are the pride of Spanish culture) rare, tasty new foods, enhancement of their native language with new words ,. concepts, etc etc?
Brave people who lived in the day. I would be terrified of going into battle with a Viking warrior. They were deadly and respected. Thank you 💛 so much for the history!!!
I’m positive that the natives saw them as dangerous, perhaps after getting to know them a bit. Perhaps some natives tested them and found they were really good at fighting and killing. Afterwards, the natives likely panicked and resolved to oppose them wholly. So the natives gathered in strength and either killed all the settlers, or caused them to vacate. I honestly can’t imagine any other reason the natives would decide to be so hostile. If the Vinland Vikings were docile, peaceful, and harmless, I believe the natives would have accepted them.
Do you have a video of the Oatman massacre? In Arizona west of Gila Bend. The old Norman battalion trail. I think it was 1853. I’ve been there several times. The wagon ruts are work into the volcano rock.
Ships were typically guarded. You would have a watch or two on the ship and another watch or two on the pier. Also, if you were an attacker from the land, you usually were only able to attempt to damage the side that was closest to the pier or land, all the while the crew was shooting arrows at you as they attempted to cast the lines and get away.
Or the fact that its a raid and your most likely caught off guard not to mention probably lack of weapons and training for them since most of the time they target small villages easy soft targets with a good route for fast in and out transportation. I remember reading about their raiding pattern how they would ride around the cost hit what didn't look defended and leave before a counter could come.
you would also be thrown overboard with your honor. history shows in the face of death the will to live surppases all forms of honor look at the trench fighting videos coming out of ukraine at the moment. both sides fight on the bodies of their fallen comrades.
You have encountered some random strangers napping. Do you: A. pass them by B. say hello C. murder the bastards in their sleep, then go to sleep heedless of a possible counterattack Viking logic chooses C.
@@tylerdurden4392 you mean like the Europeans wandered into Europe or the Asians wandered into Asia or the rest of the frigging world wandered around discovering wherever it was they decided to settle. By that logic no land belongs to anyone and what I conquer I can take, including what’s “yours”. Such white peoples logic. We’re Scandinavians always in Scandinavia.
However history may view the Norsemen, faults & all, you cannot doubt their bravery to continually voyage into the unknown & with regards to north America, being hopelessly outnumbered.
For Rambo's story, "first blood" represents the trigger that sets him off, more so than actual blood being spilled. He was a sleeping giant that was awoken the second he was provoked, with Teasle and his men drawing "first blood," which was more than enough for Rambo to begin his personal war against them
@historyattheokcorral Regarding some of the poems the narrator recites, are the sources only written in Old (Shakespearean Era) English? Perhaps a (Greenland Norse) Germanic/Latin dialect accent would be more befitting...? But please don't try and sound like Arnold Sw...😉
you have mentioned the porcupine reference in too many videos now. but in reality it was probably like 50-100 projectiles that landed. not like there was a army of natives that came, maybe 50? to their dozen?
@@kjm2199 that is a true point, these stories must be met with a level of skepticism as this story is far older. in my opinion it doesn’t even make sense to attack the natives as they knew nothing about where they were or enemies or even if they met any up close. i would like to think they merely saw they were being observed from a distance, as was the case very often in history. i feel like they probably got there and were unfamiliar/ under climatized with foraging and hunting in the terrain during the uncomfortable summer hot and wet period and this was their story of why they left when they probably were running out of food or something. we will never know
My understanding of that period of history and geographic area, was that it was American Indians whom the Vikings did meet, not the Thule at this point. They were too far South for Thule. I could be wrong due to recollection, but would be inclined between that it was American Indians (who also fiercely battled with the Thule). Also the Norsemen didn't have the heretofore massive military advantage over other folks, as coming from Greenland, they were far poorer supplied and equipped. They had a massive iron shortage especially in later years which is why they were so delighted with their find of thick forestry in Vinland. They desperately needed huge quantities of timber which gave them the essential charcoal. You need a LOT of timber though to produce charcoal, and the initial forays into Greenland and Iceland were tragic in that they quickly eradicated the trees which were growing there. Little did they know that Iceland and Greenland had THE most vulnerable and thinnest soils in the World, Iceland being the worst. The eradication of trees for farming led to terrible wind erosion of the soil, leading to Iceland's infamous "Lunar landscape". Regeneration would be centuries or millenia in the making and they still have legacy problems there to this day. And just as we're on the topic, the ending of Norse life in Greenland was due to far more complex factors than just the simple line which is glibly bandied about "It got too cold due to the Little Ice Age and they all does." Anyway, the Norse discovery of Vinland, Greenland and Iceland is EXCEPTIONALLY well-documented in Jared Diamond's novel "Collapse" of anyone is interested. I find their history fascinating for some reason.
"Indignant and rightfully infuriated native inhabitants" - would today be called waycists, just wanting to preserve their homeland, people and way of life from being overrun and obliterated.
Yes not all Scandinavians where Vikings, and not all Vikings where Scandinavians ... Frisians for exemple. A Viking is basically a pirate or raider, not all Scandinavian invasions where Viking led !
summing up the Norsemen as "bellicose businessmen" and the aboriginal Siberians (aka native americans. a joke if there ever was one) as proud warriors is a bit of a cheap shot, tbh. however, I'll choose to disregard that particular summation and focus on the story itself. what I'll take from the story instead is the tale of a single viking ship and accompanying crew losing but a single shipmate to what amounted to an ammo dump by an extremely larger, opposing force. not only that, they were able to sail back home and report on their mission. sounds as if one were to be inclined to take pride in such an accomplishment, this situation would definitely qualify as one of those situations . . . that said, all in all this was a great story. it just gets exhausting hearing how Europeans and Europeans alone were somehow in the wrong and future generations should be shamed into believing such nonsense. we played the same game of life that they were playing and we came out on top. that doesn't make us the bad guys, that makes us the better man in the match. all told, if we were the evil genocidal mad men we've been accused of being we would've treated any survivors as our opponents would, and that would have been complete annihilation. yet we were the ones to continue to sue for peace and to work towards coexistence (and more as far as reparations made after the fact are concerned) so no, we've nothing to be ashamed of and everything to be proud of. . . and i know, a good many folks will take issue with my take here which is fine they have the right. however, i invite them to go visit a so-called native tribe, any tribe they choose, and see how far any of that kumbiya we are the world bull butter gets em.
You make a fair point. I would also say that the whole story is strange, from the massacre of sleeping natives to the curious "revenge" attack that consists, as you say, of a mag dump with no apparent victims (at least as far as the natives could tell), followed by a prompt tactical withdrawal, for no apparent reason, leaving the "murderers" to escape Scot-free.
What you're programmed to abhor as woke Marxist revisionism, is actually economic and sociological reality, explaining the class system and our enslavement by capitalism
No native Americans got any stories coming from Siberia. If they were im sure they would have some very unique stories about the crossover. They do however have stories of killing wooly mammoths 🦣
Monasteries were also prisons. In the minds of Norsemen, they were the hubs from which forced conversions were done, whereby whole nations had been overcome and the menfolk killed or deported and replaced by romans and now-mixed Franks. Therefore the Viking Age was mainly a pre-emptive war of self-defense. Perhaps read The Franks by Franz Los if you can find a translation. Listen to Prem Rawat!
@@historyattheokcorral Certainly the monasteries had prisons, and were hubs for forced conversion; the rest of the claims are implicit in those two. Therefore YOU are false. Listen to Prem Rawat!
I bought one of these a few years ago. Lasted about two years. With new battries in it it refused to open and my gun was locked inside. I had to destroy it to get it open.
The Tool, today's descendants called the Inuet, could have migrated to Utah? A town called Tooele, Utah is the reason behind the question, usually named after the Village tribe in the area, historical notes. The U. S. Army did this quite frequently. As time "marches on" renaming does happen, only to damage the structure of many areas of significance tied to the threads of time. (Reference: an indirect reference in my observation is when a Wedded wife takes her husband's name legally, and does not keep her name, middle name and maiden name, other names, in her wedded marriage, in the U.S.A. Although I can't see a reason why not, as the children born to her are tied to her by her maiden name mostly, and her married name, too, legally in the USA.) The Tool vs. the Viking, Pathfinder Movie reminiscences, so then Pathfinder the movie, has a "based on true life" resound. And, The Norseman movie, does too have this resound of "based on true life" since fighting battles to death was the way of their battle. Documentaries "resound" history. History is "resounded" in history. History is yesterday. Today, many Native Americans and Scandinavian (Viking) people, can guarantee in many claims and believe in many claims, they together have descendants who claim both these peoples as ancestors and each other as family and potential Wedded spouses. Since many descendants of both the Viking (Scandinavian) and Tool (Inuet; Native American), including today, do have an opposing voice of hatred against the hatred of the assuming, the assuming of wrong guesswork repeated deformed "talk", the Wedded Bliss is experienced between most all who love including if both are from a "blended culture", and, now the warful inner biology of both Warrior sides are only met in today's society against the women and men who are against the truth of love and life, especially of our own family history. As many encounters between the two cultures have proved to be expressively "fun".
These men did what they did out of necessity to survive... They didn't do it for fun... They were just fighting to survive and build a way of life for their children
The Vikings, particularly the Norse. Were clearly a formidable people. But what is little told is how they scurried back to their longboats when attempting to raid the people of wales. Many small islands around the coast of wales have Viking names. Flatholm, steepholm etc but not one town nor city was touched by them. Unlike the rest of the British isles which have norse and danish place names far and wide. The welshmen of that time were clearly the most fierce warriors of the age, having been hardened by centuries of conflict with their much larger neighbour.
Id bet the vikings attacked first....after 1000 years of blood shed and raiding, i doubt they arrived in thenew world and were like: "you know what...lets stop doing things the easy way and work our butts off farming instead"
In Norwegian history or talk to generation to generation or some sagas we heard that they first tryed to trade and was freinds but another tribe stole some axes and the viking s then atackt back but the tribe said it was not stealing so i guess we Will never know what really happened Greetings CZ 75 Shadow 🇧🇻🇨🇴
Asian are the first civilization and also Native americans.and .Native Australian..came from Rama.. Sukriva ..and Anjaney origins lived inthis continent and ruled this entire..world...
Reminds me of an island uhhh I don't know where, it was on CZcams not sure if it still is, anyway the island has been deemed a nogo on every single map, the nearest government swore off any additional attempts to reach the island because there are lunatic tribal people there who shoot arrows and hurl rocks at any boat or ship that comes close. Could the military of the nearest country just wipe them out? Absolutely, but they instead agreed to just leave them alone --- for now
@@historyattheokcorral yeh l know mate. The Vikings invaded my country in its early history. We have so much information on these peoples l know who they were here
I thank you as always for this daily peace. Thorwald Erikson was a coward in compare to his brothers. I guess you take the mixing of two seperate sources because the killings took place down southwards and the Groenlanders had all similar names..You cant hide under a up side down Kajak what the Inuit still used at this time but under a canoe and this means early Indians instead . They keep the noseless(there name for the Eskimos = raw meat eater ) way north. The Groenlander wo killed the sleeping Natives was Thorhall the huntsman. I love your channel anyway. Best regards from Northern Germany Ludwig.
The Inuit have two types of traditional boat the kayak a single seat enclosed boat and the umiak which is open boat closer in design to an Irish curragh. The boat described sounds like an umiak to me.
It wasn't just that we was trying to entice people to move to Greenland, Greenland was greener and warmer back then. This was pre mini ice age and Europe was quite a bit warmer back then. Hence the grapes growning in Newfoundland which until GMOs became a thing hasn't been possible because it's still too cold in the area.
Fair point! We debated on how far to go into this, but now that you mention it we will cover this fact on our next episode on the Vikings. Thanks for your input! You clearly know your stuff and we appreciate you watching! 👍🏻
The teaching company has a great series on the vikings including north america, although its been awhile so I don't remember this story. The one I heard was when they set up their first village, and apparantly they began trading with first nations, and the story goes they gave them some milk, which made the natives violently ill. HOwever, before the natives could attack, the vikings had been involved in one of their infamous inter family feuds. THe wife of the leader apparantly was more viking than her husband, she had been killing the other women, while the men were fighting, so as the first nations showed up to attack, they must have been confused by the battle that was already waging between the vikings, so they just left. THe remaining vikings then went back to scandinavia, having been vanquished not by the sea, the new world, or the natives, but themselves. Iceland did much better, setting up europes first parliament. For those who don't know, apparantly greenland was named by an enterprising viking to try to encourage people, while iceland was so named to discourage them, since their terrain was opposite to their names.
The Horse was not a part of native American culture until after the European conquest began. Why is there a depiction of natives with horses during this period?
1:50 This isn't true, Greenland does not refer to the color, "Green" in this contest means "new" just as aged cheeses are called "green cheese" before it is aged.
Interesting cultural clash. In close combat, the Vikings would have a slender advantage in terms of chainmail armour, shields and superior iron weaponry. Skill-wise both sides were closely matched, though the natives likely possess superior archery skills. Victory might therefore depend on surprise or superior numbers.
People tend to romanticize Vikings as Warriors a little too much in my opinion😅. Fighting conscripted peasants, farmers and very poor broken up armies is pretty much what they did that is considered Warrior like, i like to think of them more as adventurers that knew how to make a buck.
@@loke1555 judging by your name and reply your taking this as a insult 🙄well what about it is wrong ? in your defense i do concede that in their culture the act of going forth and taking loot was considered Warrior like. But to me I don't agree at all I see them as traders and sailors who took opportunities to prey on the defenseless for money in fact some historians will tell you that "Vikings" refer to Nordic Sailors who engaged in trade. when you compare them to actual Warriors who train to fight other Warriors for the most part taking place in large scale combat where tactics and equipment matter and make there living in such away its a different story. You cant compare a sometimes raider to a professional solder. Thus why in my opinion as soon as England started to organize themselves lots of so called Vikings started converting and switching sides or just flat out leaving. I am aware of viking heroic story's and combat feats but in no way do I think it was Universal across all Vikings. It's my opinion that pop culture romanticizes them too much just how they tend to demonize Crusades and church the counter culture what im saying is that people see them Vikings in such a way because they're depicted in such a way through movies and animations, for example you might picture a Viking raiding a town killing all the well-armed and trained guards then setting houses a flame and leaving with food and gold. But most likely no one saw them coming they killed a few peasants and farmers rounded up slaves mostly women and children since they won't fight back and gathered what they could and took off before any offensive came their way its the smart thing to do raid and keep moving so you wont be caught.
@@fhfhddhdhd5003 what are you talking about this conversation has nothing to do with them crossing the ocean nor am I saying in anyway that they weren't good at it how about you read the comments.
If you consider surviving your withdrawal a victory then yes. But if you Ask any military expert They would disagree, because the natives got what they wanted.
their settlements on greenland were wiped out I don't know what they *won* but if it makes you feel better like you have some personal investment in what happened almost a thousand years ago believe what you want.
There were no native Americans at the time. They were pre bronze age cavemen with stone weapons. The Vikings wore armor that could stop stone head arrows and stone tomahawks. The biggest problem for Vikings were gathering food and hunting game. Vikings were much superior warriors than the unarmored sticks and stones aboriginal people.
The vikings were cowards who attacked unarmed monasteries. They've been romanticized in modern culture as this powerful warrior culture but they weren't anything special. The native Americans could have taken them.
A weird concept during this time; and for everyone. Peace was something people only went for if everything else failed. And young men of every culture saw it is their birthright and a neccessity to went raiding neighbors. How else to make a name and a fortune?
I would like to point out the Native American DNA found in Iceland So it appear they could kiss just as well as they could kill Just saying as a Native American Viking hybrid myself
Knowing the Vikings it was probably them,he'll first time they landed one of the vikings killed like 2 natives and a 3rd got away and brought back up and then the Vikings left,but to be fair it could have been both of them I'm only saying Vikings cause ewe know more about them.
I wish i could remember it exactly, one of our wrestling coach was Native American and he had this saying, "Let my enemy be smart and brave so that i may feel pride in victory." Always had the best stories about Sitting Bull and what it means to be a war cheif, how its better to fight smart than strong. Man he was a good guy. Helped me get into college
God bless wrestling coaches. 🙏🏻
A youngster NEVER forgets their educators that cared !!!
Can you imagine how brave a missionary would have to be, to make a cold call, on the Vikings?
Brave or idiotic.
"If The Lord walks beside me, whom shall I fear?"
@@ianmedford4855 the ones that will brand you for your religion.
@@sandy-quimsrus nobody has seen a Viking for nearly a thousand years, but I drive by a dozen churches on the way to work.
Results are results.
@@ianmedford4855 Scientology was powerful, too though...
You are a GIFTED narrator my man. I can perfectly visualize scenario and setting you describe, and it’s made this channel easily one of my favorites. We all appreciate the work you do!
Wow, thank you!
The Vikings came with conquer on their minds.
The natives said, "Oh no you're not!"
OH MAN! I have a long drive tomorrow and so looking forward to this!
Gorm is written on a stone. William Wallace is written on a stone. Calalus was found in Arizona. So much history. Thank You. Love it all. Medicine Gat Geoglyphs have a chiefs head and a viking head. Cyclopian walls in Montana. Etc. Etc.
Poetic justice. Those Indians moved to present day Greenbay, Wisconsin, by the way. They still know what to do to Vikings there.
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This wins comment of the entire thread...lol... very good and I needed a laugh
They did until they lost their greatest warrior. Now they're about to enter decades of darkness.
@@JDoe-gf5oz Couldn't agree with you more. Women, wine, beer and cheese--anything a Viking wants that isn't tied down on both ends--will be gone after the Vikings sack Greenbay. Otherwise, anything not tied down still left in Greenway are the leftovers: ugly women, corked wine, skunky beer, and Limberger.
@@JDoe-gf5ozNo one can bring to the Jets the magic, glint and glamor of Broadway Joe. Football was fun then. Good luck to Aaron Rodgers, however. I feel so sorry for today's sports fans and those who play professionally any sport. The wokesters, the cancel culture warriors, have taken the fun out of everything, and financially damaged the professionals now playing and those to come. Take this to the bank. Far more people used to enjoy various sports than drank Bud Light. Broadway Joe was a man's man. He would be described today as suffering from toxic masculinity, unacceptably virile, with excessive testosterone levels, things that with the right hormone therapy could make him sweeter, effeminate, softer. That's the way it is, IMHO. Oh, and stand up comedy also no longer is fun. Only Dave Chappelle is free. Others are chained.
Incredible to think how far the Vikings went in their open boats. Coming to North America hundreds of years before any other Europeans. I really enjoyed your short video. 💪🏻🙏🏻✨
Indigenous Nations were always traveling the oceans Long before Caucasians were created
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@@thechiefwildhorse4651true, but that doesn’t discredit the fact that the Scandinavians were the best Sea Faring people of their time, they crossed freezing oceans over long months to create new settlements and thrived for many years, and their naval force could take down great kingdoms such as England and France
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That's Your perspective.
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@@thechiefwildhorse4651 you’re perspective seems to disregard all others history as less than yours which is very irresponsible
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You mean like Caucasians do???
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The Harvard Classic Series has a book on American history that coverings early writings. It chronological so the first entries are the writings of the Vikings. They cover contact with natives and Freydís Eiríksdóttir betrayal of her expedition. Would be a great source for a future video.
In close combat I’d say Viking held a greater than slender advantage, mostly because, as you note, their metal armour and arms was far superior to the stone weapons of the natives. On the other hand, the natives knew the land, had systems of subsistence already in place, and likely for more numbers. I agree it was a fair fight.
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Stone weapons lol
Millions of Indigenous people are alive and well.
No vikings left
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Indigenous Nations ran the vikings off.
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@@thechiefwildhorse4651 Yes, at the time Vikings first made contact, Native Americas utilized stone or antler/bone tipped weapons. Which is not to say such weapons were not deadly--simply not as effective as metal weapons, particularly in close combat. Now, in later centuries, native tribes, especially plains tribes like comanche, adopted European weapons and the horse and were some of the most potent mobile warriors the world has ever seen.
Lastly, there is definitely descendants of Vikings across the world.
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Horses have been long before Caucasians were created from swine.
Caucasians talk like they know all history and most of history literally does not include Caucasians lol
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this channel is continuously excellent.
Thank you very much!
And with these Norsemen and Proto-Inuit began a legacy of bloodshed that wouldn’t end until the last Bronco Apache was killed in the Sierra Madre Mountains in the 1920s.
Inuit ARE NOT native Americans. N Norse were not there to fight apache.
Millions of Indigenous people.
Over 15,000 Tribal Nations.
Europeans are still illegal
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Im enjoying these stories.
Thank you.
You have presented an exciting narrative of Norse and indigenous people. How might history been different had the Norse been able to conquer and settle North American as they had much of Europe.
Exactly. A slow but steady migration. Trading of knowledge and technology. Slower introduction of farm animals and European diseases. So mamy interesting what-ifs?
Would be more interesting to see the American Indians take over Europe with the things they learned from the vikings. AHO!
Thank you for watching! We are fans of yours and always appreciate your comments!
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Indigenous Nations were already farming.
Caucasians brought swine and disease
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How might it be if people didn’t go around conquering and stealing other people’s land
As a side note: Many people are not aware, that during this time (about 800 - 1000 A.D.) Europe suffered equally from raiding Vikings (Scandinavians), Moors (Muslims) and Magyars (Hungarians).
Though the Vikings as Normans and the sedentary Magyars as the Hungarian Kingdom later became defenders of Western Europe against continuing Muslim raids and conquest.
The Hungarians (like the Poles) also in the end fending off the Mongols for good, after initial defeats.
Great point.
The Moorish invasion of Spain, in 711 A.D./C.E. was a great thing for Spain.
@@robinrobyn1714 Indeed. Who doesn't like getting raided, enslaved, raped and occupied.
@@wolfgangkranek376 Indeed. Who doesn't like getting introduced to rare and exotic music, learning new scientific techniques and knowledge ( that would prove instrumental in the discovery of the Americas in 1492), rare and beautiful architectural forms and techniques,( some of which still stands today and are the pride of Spanish culture) rare, tasty new foods, enhancement of their native language with new words ,. concepts, etc etc?
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Besides that most of what you are saying is wrong.
So you are a fan of Colonialism?!
Another winning episode of distant historical events! Thank you )
Glad you like them!
@@historyattheokcorral I have to say - in all honesty - that I DON’T like your episodes…
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That’s because I LOVE THEM! ❤ 😊👍
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Another great video thanks again!
Glad you enjoyed it!
A Viking invasion of Baltimore would be quite exciting.
And healthy, presuming that they landed in large enough numbers and meant business.
Well... To bad it didn't happen. 😂😂😂 They wouodnt have lasted. They weren't dealing with unsuspecting farmers here
We already live I baltimore I'm viking and I live here lol
Been waiting for this. Love your videos
Brilliant looking forward to more!!
Brave people who lived in the day. I would be terrified of going into battle with a Viking warrior. They were deadly and respected.
Thank you 💛 so much for the history!!!
@serdownofhousebad1127 lol that's 98% nonsense you have typed
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Obviously Indigenous PEOPLE were never scared to
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@serdownofhousebad1127😂😂😂
I’m positive that the natives saw them as dangerous, perhaps after getting to know them a bit. Perhaps some natives tested them and found they were really good at fighting and killing. Afterwards, the natives likely panicked and resolved to oppose them wholly. So the natives gathered in strength and either killed all the settlers, or caused them to vacate.
I honestly can’t imagine any other reason the natives would decide to be so hostile. If the Vinland Vikings were docile, peaceful, and harmless, I believe the natives would have accepted them.
Perhaps because vikings were trespassing?
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People are territorial.
Do you have a video of the Oatman massacre? In Arizona west of Gila Bend. The old Norman battalion trail. I think it was 1853. I’ve been there several times. The wagon ruts are work into the volcano rock.
Can't wait for more on this topic.
Thanks!
Wow!! Thank you so much! God bless.
You are welcome--God's blessings to you as well@@historyattheokcorral
Greenland was green before the mini-ice-age, which began shortly after our arrival.
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more of these please great videos man
Never will understand why these raiding parties were never countered with destruction of their ships during their raids.
Ships were typically guarded. You would have a watch or two on the ship and another watch or two on the pier. Also, if you were an attacker from the land, you usually were only able to attempt to damage the side that was closest to the pier or land, all the while the crew was shooting arrows at you as they attempted to cast the lines and get away.
Or the fact that its a raid and your most likely caught off guard not to mention probably lack of weapons and training for them since most of the time they target small villages easy soft targets with a good route for fast in and out transportation. I remember reading about their raiding pattern how they would ride around the cost hit what didn't look defended and leave before a counter could come.
Hassle. Not worth it to cause loss of life by fighting worthless people intent on mimicking the rat, can just chase it back to it's hole.
Us imaginative people are a dying breed... Keep em coming OK!!
if my boss was killed and asked me to take his body back to the place where he was killed, i might just throw him overboard. just saying.
Same. 🤷🏼♂️
That is why you are not a Norseman , man that have no concept of honor don't understand .
you would also be thrown overboard with your honor. history shows in the face of death the will to live surppases all forms of honor look at the trench fighting videos coming out of ukraine at the moment. both sides fight on the bodies of their fallen comrades.
@@joejohnson4183 honor? Is it honorable to murder sleeping people who had not done you any harm? I guess there is no such thing as honor.
@@MusMasi Which sleeping people are you referring to ?
You have encountered some random strangers napping. Do you:
A. pass them by
B. say hello
C. murder the bastards in their sleep, then go to sleep heedless of a possible counterattack
Viking logic chooses C.
Viking logic also discovered America :P
@@tylerdurden4392People we’re already there, thorvald learned.
@@JohnWayne-qx3je Yeah, but they didn't find America, they wandered aimlessly into it while chasing a mastodon.
@@tylerdurden4392 you mean like the Europeans wandered into Europe or the Asians wandered into Asia or the rest of the frigging world wandered around discovering wherever it was they decided to settle. By that logic no land belongs to anyone and what I conquer I can take, including what’s “yours”. Such white peoples logic. We’re Scandinavians always in Scandinavia.
However history may view the Norsemen, faults & all, you cannot doubt their bravery to continually voyage into the unknown & with regards to north America, being hopelessly outnumbered.
Agreed.
I can't wait for the day when channels get the true recognition you deserve! Your channel for sure will walk the red carpet sir!
Wow, thank you!
_Only_ Rambo draws first blood.
? He very specifically did not draw first blood
For Rambo's story, "first blood" represents the trigger that sets him off, more so than actual blood being spilled. He was a sleeping giant that was awoken the second he was provoked, with Teasle and his men drawing "first blood," which was more than enough for Rambo to begin his personal war against them
@@notbonsai671 It was a joke, bro.
HUH? one native from under the boats got killed. AND also got away? 7:50 WTF
@historyattheokcorral Regarding some of the poems the narrator recites, are the sources only written in Old (Shakespearean Era) English?
Perhaps a (Greenland Norse) Germanic/Latin dialect accent would be more befitting...? But please don't try and sound like Arnold Sw...😉
You're probably right but everything we tried legit sounded like Arnold 😭
@@historyattheokcorral 🤣
Well, back to practicing Old English. Cheers, keep up the good work!
you have mentioned the porcupine reference in too many videos now. but in reality it was probably like 50-100 projectiles that landed. not like there was a army of natives that came, maybe 50? to their dozen?
We've never referenced porcupine before so dk what to tell ya bud.
I even doubt a bone or stone arrow tip could even embed itself in the wood of a shield or ship.
@@kjm2199 that is a true point, these stories must be met with a level of skepticism as this story is far older. in my opinion it doesn’t even make sense to attack the natives as they knew nothing about where they were or enemies or even if they met any up close. i would like to think they merely saw they were being observed from a distance, as was the case very often in history. i feel like they probably got there and were unfamiliar/ under climatized with foraging and hunting in the terrain during the uncomfortable summer hot and wet period and this was their story of why they left when they probably were running out of food or something. we will never know
@@sirseegull Sounds to me like this is a retelling of the movie Pathfinders more than it is a historical record
It's from the Viking sagas.
My understanding of that period of history and geographic area, was that it was American Indians whom the Vikings did meet, not the Thule at this point. They were too far South for Thule. I could be wrong due to recollection, but would be inclined between that it was American Indians (who also fiercely battled with the Thule).
Also the Norsemen didn't have the heretofore massive military advantage over other folks, as coming from Greenland, they were far poorer supplied and equipped.
They had a massive iron shortage especially in later years which is why they were so delighted with their find of thick forestry in Vinland. They desperately needed huge quantities of timber which gave them the essential charcoal. You need a LOT of timber though to produce charcoal, and the initial forays into Greenland and Iceland were tragic in that they quickly eradicated the trees which were growing there. Little did they know that Iceland and Greenland had THE most vulnerable and thinnest soils in the World, Iceland being the worst. The eradication of trees for farming led to terrible wind erosion of the soil, leading to Iceland's infamous "Lunar landscape". Regeneration would be centuries or millenia in the making and they still have legacy problems there to this day.
And just as we're on the topic, the ending of Norse life in Greenland was due to far more complex factors than just the simple line which is glibly bandied about
"It got too cold due to the Little Ice Age and they all does."
Anyway, the Norse discovery of Vinland, Greenland and Iceland is EXCEPTIONALLY well-documented in Jared Diamond's novel "Collapse" of anyone is interested.
I find their history fascinating for some reason.
The channel should be called the abandoned lot adjacent to the OK corral!!!
It's sure bet you're a blast at cocktail parties.
"Indignant and rightfully infuriated native inhabitants" - would today be called waycists, just wanting to preserve their homeland, people and way of life from being overrun and obliterated.
Yes not all Scandinavians where Vikings, and not all Vikings where Scandinavians ... Frisians for exemple. A Viking is basically a pirate or raider, not all Scandinavian invasions where Viking led !
"One is not necessarily a viking as much as one took part in the task of viking"
What "casegriffin2205" said--great narration sparks the imagination--like the radio stories of old
Viking vs comanche eh
Vikings vs Eskimos at the North Pole is a thing too, sounds like one hell of a Christmas movie!
vinland saga reference
GREAT video
Wonderful narrative.
Yo about time for the Glanton Gang...
Greenland: Possibly the first, and most egregious, case of false advertising ever documented!
Please , pardon my correction.
Norse were/are Heathen.
Pagan is Buddhist (B.C - 500 years before Christianity.
summing up the Norsemen as "bellicose businessmen" and the aboriginal Siberians (aka native americans. a joke if there ever was one) as proud warriors is a bit of a cheap shot, tbh. however, I'll choose to disregard that particular summation and focus on the story itself.
what I'll take from the story instead is the tale of a single viking ship and accompanying crew losing but a single shipmate to what amounted to an ammo dump by an extremely larger, opposing force. not only that, they were able to sail back home and report on their mission.
sounds as if one were to be inclined to take pride in such an accomplishment, this situation would definitely qualify as one of those situations
. . . that said, all in all this was a great story. it just gets exhausting hearing how Europeans and Europeans alone were somehow in the wrong and future generations should be shamed into believing such nonsense. we played the same game of life that they were playing and we came out on top. that doesn't make us the bad guys, that makes us the better man in the match. all told, if we were the evil genocidal mad men we've been accused of being we would've treated any survivors as our opponents would, and that would have been complete annihilation. yet we were the ones to continue to sue for peace and to work towards coexistence (and more as far as reparations made after the fact are concerned)
so no, we've nothing to be ashamed of and everything to be proud of. . . and i know, a good many folks will take issue with my take here which is fine they have the right. however, i invite them to go visit a so-called native tribe, any tribe they choose, and see how far any of that kumbiya we are the world bull butter gets em.
You make a fair point. I would also say that the whole story is strange, from the massacre of sleeping natives to the curious "revenge" attack that consists, as you say, of a mag dump with no apparent victims (at least as far as the natives could tell), followed by a prompt tactical withdrawal, for no apparent reason, leaving the "murderers" to escape Scot-free.
What you're programmed to abhor as woke Marxist revisionism, is actually economic and sociological reality, explaining the class system and our enslavement by capitalism
Yeah, this version is just more White Man Bad propaganda...
No native Americans got any stories coming from Siberia. If they were im sure they would have some very unique stories about the crossover. They do however have stories of killing wooly mammoths 🦣
@@thurmondthomas5243 I don't care at all about what their stories say, genetics don't lie. period
Monasteries were also prisons. In the minds of Norsemen, they were the hubs from which forced conversions were done, whereby whole nations had been overcome and the menfolk killed or deported and replaced by romans and now-mixed Franks. Therefore the Viking Age was mainly a pre-emptive war of self-defense.
Perhaps read The Franks by Franz Los if you can find a translation.
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False
@@historyattheokcorral Certainly the monasteries had prisons, and were hubs for forced conversion; the rest of the claims are implicit in those two. Therefore YOU are false.
Listen to Prem Rawat!
Prem Rawat is nonsense.
@@historyattheokcorral Sure, if you love mind more than soul.
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In Jamie Fox's voice "Tor-vald. The 'h' is silent"
I bought one of these a few years ago. Lasted about two years. With new battries in it it refused to open and my gun was locked inside. I had to destroy it to get it open.
The Tool, today's descendants called the Inuet, could have migrated to Utah? A town called Tooele, Utah is the reason behind the question, usually named after the Village tribe in the area, historical notes. The U. S. Army did this quite frequently. As time "marches on" renaming does happen, only to damage the structure of many areas of significance tied to the threads of time. (Reference: an indirect reference in my observation is when a Wedded wife takes her husband's name legally, and does not keep her name, middle name and maiden name, other names, in her wedded marriage, in the U.S.A. Although I can't see a reason why not, as the children born to her are tied to her by her maiden name mostly, and her married name, too, legally in the USA.)
The Tool vs. the Viking, Pathfinder Movie reminiscences, so then Pathfinder the movie, has a "based on true life" resound. And, The Norseman movie, does too have this resound of "based on true life" since fighting battles to death was the way of their battle. Documentaries "resound" history. History is "resounded" in history. History is yesterday. Today, many Native Americans and Scandinavian (Viking) people, can guarantee in many claims and believe in many claims, they together have descendants who claim both these peoples as ancestors and each other as family and potential Wedded spouses.
Since many descendants of both the Viking (Scandinavian) and Tool (Inuet; Native American), including today, do have an opposing voice of hatred against the hatred of the assuming, the assuming of wrong guesswork repeated deformed "talk", the Wedded Bliss is experienced between most all who love including if both are from a "blended culture", and, now the warful inner biology of both Warrior sides are only met in today's society against the women and men who are against the truth of love and life, especially of our own family history. As many encounters between the two cultures have proved to be expressively "fun".
Fascinating!!!
Great stuff
Fun historical narrative, but how is all this known? What are the source documents?
Sources in description smart boi.
These men did what they did out of necessity to survive... They didn't do it for fun... They were just fighting to survive and build a way of life for their children
As all people would
Maybe a video on De Soto and his journey in N America.
It's rumored they actually came as far as Martha's Vineyard and that is actually vinland
The Vikings, particularly the Norse. Were clearly a formidable people. But what is little told is how they scurried back to their longboats when attempting to raid the people of wales. Many small islands around the coast of wales have Viking names. Flatholm, steepholm etc but not one town nor city was touched by them. Unlike the rest of the British isles which have norse and danish place names far and wide. The welshmen of that time were clearly the most fierce warriors of the age, having been hardened by centuries of conflict with their much larger neighbour.
Certainly famed for the best archers in the isles for a very long time.
Id bet the vikings attacked first....after 1000 years of blood shed and raiding, i doubt they arrived in thenew world and were like: "you know what...lets stop doing things the easy way and work our butts off farming instead"
Well done
In Norwegian history or talk to generation to generation or some sagas we heard that they first tryed to trade and was freinds but another tribe stole some axes and the viking s then atackt back but the tribe said it was not stealing so i guess we Will never know what really happened Greetings CZ 75 Shadow 🇧🇻🇨🇴
While I like this kind of stuff, who documented things and kept those documents for modern day people to talk about?
Greenland Sagas
Aren't there Native American groups present to current times in Greenland?
Asian are the first civilization and also Native americans.and .Native Australian..came from Rama.. Sukriva ..and Anjaney origins lived inthis continent and ruled this entire..world...
Reminds me of an island uhhh I don't know where, it was on CZcams not sure if it still is, anyway the island has been deemed a nogo on every single map, the nearest government swore off any additional attempts to reach the island because there are lunatic tribal people there who shoot arrows and hurl rocks at any boat or ship that comes close.
Could the military of the nearest country just wipe them out? Absolutely, but they instead agreed to just leave them alone --- for now
Sentinal Island off the coast of India.
The Vikings never ever had horns on their helmets. That is a fallacy.
It's just a painting bro. We gotta work with what we got.
@@historyattheokcorral yeh l know mate. The Vikings invaded my country in its early history. We have so much information on these peoples l know who they were here
Enjoyed you video
I think you mean, That's a phallusy.
I thank you as always for this daily peace. Thorwald Erikson was a coward in compare to his brothers. I guess you take the mixing of two seperate sources because the killings took place down southwards and the Groenlanders had all similar names..You cant hide under a up side down Kajak what the Inuit still used at this time but under a canoe and this means early Indians instead . They keep the noseless(there name for the Eskimos = raw meat eater ) way north. The Groenlander wo killed the sleeping Natives was Thorhall the huntsman. I love your channel anyway. Best regards from Northern Germany Ludwig.
The Inuit have two types of traditional boat the kayak a single seat enclosed boat and the umiak which is open boat closer in design to an Irish curragh. The boat described sounds like an umiak to me.
@@johnkilmartin5101 I know that but a umiak is not driven by one Inuit.
@@ludwigderzanker9767 since there were three boats and nine men I would consider it likely none of the boats had just a single occupant.
Nice, I was hoping you would made this into a history.
It wasn't just that we was trying to entice people to move to Greenland, Greenland was greener and warmer back then. This was pre mini ice age and Europe was quite a bit warmer back then. Hence the grapes growning in Newfoundland which until GMOs became a thing hasn't been possible because it's still too cold in the area.
Fair point! We debated on how far to go into this, but now that you mention it we will cover this fact on our next episode on the Vikings. Thanks for your input! You clearly know your stuff and we appreciate you watching! 👍🏻
Vikings did of course, like they always did.
The teaching company has a great series on the vikings including north america, although its been awhile so I don't remember this story.
The one I heard was when they set up their first village, and apparantly they began trading with first nations, and the story goes they gave them some milk, which made the natives violently ill. HOwever, before the natives could attack, the vikings had been involved in one of their infamous inter family feuds. THe wife of the leader apparantly was more viking than her husband, she had been killing the other women, while the men were fighting, so as the first nations showed up to attack, they must have been confused by the battle that was already waging between the vikings, so they just left. THe remaining vikings then went back to scandinavia, having been vanquished not by the sea, the new world, or the natives, but themselves. Iceland did much better, setting up europes first parliament.
For those who don't know, apparantly greenland was named by an enterprising viking to try to encourage people, while iceland was so named to discourage them, since their terrain was opposite to their names.
Skraelings!
The Horse was not a part of native American culture until after the European conquest began. Why is there a depiction of natives with horses during this period?
Its the only available painting smart boi.
1:50 This isn't true, Greenland does not refer to the color, "Green" in this contest means "new" just as aged cheeses are called "green cheese" before it is aged.
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maybe the first fight
both natives and scandinavians share the same paternal lineage.
Interesting cultural clash. In close combat, the Vikings would have a slender advantage in terms of chainmail armour, shields and superior iron weaponry. Skill-wise both sides were closely matched, though the natives likely possess superior archery skills. Victory might therefore depend on surprise or superior numbers.
I keep saying Viking is a verb not a noun.
People tend to romanticize Vikings as Warriors a little too much in my opinion😅. Fighting conscripted peasants, farmers and very poor broken up armies is pretty much what they did that is considered Warrior like, i like to think of them more as adventurers that knew how to make a buck.
then you don't know anything about the vikings so what you think is irrelevant
@@loke1555 judging by your name and reply your taking this as a insult 🙄well what about it is wrong ? in your defense i do concede that in their culture the act of going forth and taking loot was considered Warrior like. But to me I don't agree at all I see them as traders and sailors who took opportunities to prey on the defenseless for money in fact some historians will tell you that "Vikings" refer to Nordic Sailors who engaged in trade. when you compare them to actual Warriors who train to fight other Warriors for the most part taking place in large scale combat where tactics and equipment matter and make there living in such away its a different story. You cant compare a sometimes raider to a professional solder. Thus why in my opinion as soon as England started to organize themselves lots of so called Vikings started converting and switching sides or just flat out leaving. I am aware of viking heroic story's and combat feats but in no way do I think it was Universal across all Vikings. It's my opinion that pop culture romanticizes them too much just how they tend to demonize Crusades and church the counter culture what im saying is that people see them Vikings in such a way because they're depicted in such a way through movies and animations, for example you might picture a Viking raiding a town killing all the well-armed and trained guards then setting houses a flame and leaving with food and gold. But most likely no one saw them coming they killed a few peasants and farmers rounded up slaves mostly women and children since they won't fight back and gathered what they could and took off before any offensive came their way its the smart thing to do raid and keep moving so you wont be caught.
Can you travel the Atlantic Ocean on a open wooden boat? Better yet can you romanticize it?
@@fhfhddhdhd5003 what are you talking about this conversation has nothing to do with them crossing the ocean nor am I saying in anyway that they weren't good at it how about you read the comments.
Obviously the vikings win 🏆
If you consider surviving your withdrawal a victory then yes. But if you Ask any military expert They would disagree, because the natives got what they wanted.
their settlements on greenland were wiped out I don't know what they *won* but if it makes you feel better like you have some personal investment in what happened almost a thousand years ago believe what you want.
@@MusMasi They weren't wiped out by war dude, C'mon.
@@TheThedisliker The fact that a tiny exploratory ship of vikings could land and stay over the winter on an entirely different continent says allot.
it does@@outdoorloser4340
Heck Yea 👍
The Indian village had horses in it ,how accurate is this
Its the only available pic
Inuits didn’t use bow and arrows
Betting my $1000 against $200 that the Native Americans attacked first.
Not this time! Hahaha
Nope.and they were not Native Americans.
You're on a losing streak.
Lies !!!
Vikings were blameless farmers, healers, and peaceful traders.
Nobody knows it's all guessing game
There were no native Americans at the time. They were pre bronze age cavemen with stone weapons. The Vikings wore armor that could stop stone head arrows and stone tomahawks. The biggest problem for Vikings were gathering food and hunting game. Vikings were much superior warriors than the unarmored sticks and stones aboriginal people.
The vikings were cowards who attacked unarmed monasteries. They've been romanticized in modern culture as this powerful warrior culture but they weren't anything special. The native Americans could have taken them.
I mean they weren't exactly swimming in an abundance of natural resources.
They wouldn't have had horses would they . Until the Spanish and English started dropping them off there werent any horses .
It wasn't Rambo
Natives beat the Vikings? Hell yea
The Vikings. They drew first blood.
THEY DREW FIRST BLOOD
Come on, it's just flesh wound.
Should’ve tried peace first
A weird concept during this time; and for everyone.
Peace was something people only went for if everything else failed. And young men of every culture saw it is their birthright and a neccessity to went raiding neighbors. How else to make a name and a fortune?
It is unlikely many Greenlanders would have chainmail.
I'm sure the vikings drew first blood.....they were just that way not knowing any better.
I would like to point out the Native American DNA found in Iceland
So it appear they could kiss just as well as they could kill
Just saying as a Native American Viking hybrid myself
Vineland was cape cod ... theres stones here with engravings signed by Leif Erikson
Knowing the Vikings it was probably them,he'll first time they landed one of the vikings killed like 2 natives and a 3rd got away and brought back up and then the Vikings left,but to be fair it could have been both of them I'm only saying Vikings cause ewe know more about them.
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It's ironic that about 3 centuries later, as the Norse were dying out and/or abandoning Greenland, the Inuit were moving in.