Imagine the heat output at 1440p or 1440p ultrawide where the GPU also works harder. You could get about 700w dumped into you room with a config like this. My OC'd rig can also go above 400w and that's also very noticeable after a while.
How. I'm playing cyberpunk and mine 13900k drows at pick 200 watts. But most of the time 180 and I'm playing psych with path tracing . Have 50-60 degrees. And 20%-30% cpu usage
Great video as always! Looking forward to Arrow Lake? Sounds like Intel will show off Arrow Lake and next gen desktop at Computex with hopeful launch within a few months now.
This is the case when you have a good CPU probably cherry picked. The problem is that NOT every 14900 K will reach the same speed like 5900 ( as advertised ) with Intel stock settings. Hence the need for your motherboard to use Auto voltages etc etc to get you the speed you have paid for. The speed printed on your CPU box. 😅
You really need a custom loop for those i9s.. my 14900k in the division 1 and division 2 uses 230W and it will hit 90C after 1 hour of gameplay on a 360mm aio push/pull....
This is why I went w/ a 14700K and comparing the negligible performance increase of an i9. Generally I always go i9 but went i7 w/ 14th gen bc it seemed to make the most sense. I'm running a 14700K w/ a 4090 TUF and I'm generally within 5fps of these benches which runs much cooler w/ slightly lower pwr usage. The diminishing returns just dont make much sense for most use cases.
It's getting crazy to see these numbers, while 7800x3D is pulling 40-60 watts while gaming, pretty much getting same performance. What's more unfortunate for Intel that according to leaks next gen is only 10-15% more efficient.
@@darkfire3691 I don't actually like the comparison to AMD in terms of wattage. The 14900K is a 10nm process, unlike AMD's 5nm. Obviously AMD will have better power draw with a far smaller fabrication process.
speaking from experience, the CPU's run fine with asus default setttings for about 6monts after that the CPU starts to degrade, I had 2 13900K go bad after 6 months. during usage everything was under control, including temps sub 80c
Is there an "ECO" mode for intel to compare to the new updated/recomended bios? Obviously intel cranked everything they could into a refreshed-refresh to keep it relevant and pointed towards mobo manufacturers as long as they could when it made problems.
- Baseline profile does not exist for 13/14 Gen i9, Performance and Extreme profiles do. - K and KS have different power profiles. - Gigabyte didn't get the power limits right, as well as the AC/DC loadline values.
Magically my MSI board was giving 240 watts to my i7-12700K on Cinebench, i used the Intel spec power limits, applied an undervolt and it dropped from 240 watts and instant 90 degrees C to 158 watts and 67 degrees C.
compared with what? a comparison can not make between this and the 7800x3d because the i9 just has considerable more cores and it is going to pull more power as those cores independently of much or not , are "on" , unless the user disables them, what admittedly will not have much or any effect in games, and will cut power by about 30% or more, but then the question is why buy a 24 cores cpu if you are going to disable 16 of them . The argument that could be made is that people should not be buying a 24 core processor to play games. if someone wants to go with intel and just wants to play games, then they have the i5 14600 that are for gaming relatively close to the i9 but consume far less power.Even the i7 14700 will consume a far bit less for 97 % of the gaming performance of a KS. As it stands presently i9s were not really made for games, specially KS's but people just buy them cause "higher price better" when in fact something like what he is testing only makes sense for gaming if the user also has specific productivity tasks such as video/image edition, specific modelling where time equal revenue- it is essentially akin to buying a high speed truck to go to the office. It only makes sense if you carry cargo.
@@Solrac-Siul Finally someone with a reasonable comment and no ryzen x3d mindset 😂. Owning an i7 14700k, that one consumes 80-110 W in cs2 and 100-130 pubg, and I’m completely okay with that, however, I can also multitask with it and have no issues Actually, processor runs at 1,27 vcore and is quite cold
@@neigebuttert I never said that x3d was not the best:) in 80% of the situations it is. My point, to use a boxing analogy, many often compare the power of cpu's that are on different weight classes. the 7950x can pull 230+watts in full load and that is with 7000 ddr5, add in 8400 ddr5 - assuming it works what is not assured - and it is on the same ballpark of an i9. And that is not due to AMD not being efficient rather than when you have multiple cores reaching 5.5+ ghz you will draw power and lots of it. And while there are tasks that may require such speeds, power and core number, Gaming is not one of them. Disable the 16 ecores of a i9, and those 220 or so watts that we in see in average on the video drop to around 130 without any direct gaming performance loss. Yet at that stage what is the point of buying an i9s when you can do the same with a oc'ed 14600k.
Hi Bang, thanks, i followed your instructions, also have a 14900ks. One thing i noticed is vcore is much higher on average when running games like HFW, like 1.45v-1.54ishv compared to before when it was avg 1.4v-1.45. What are you averaging with these intel settings compared to your own? is it safe to run 1.5v? thanks
@@Bang4BuckPCGamer I was reading some threads online and some people were saying that even with a good Temps that if the cpu pulls alot of amps and voltage it sill degrade the chip. U seem very well educated in this field and been watching ur vids for a bit so I wanted to get ur take on that. I tend not to believe random people on thread but yeah. I have a arctic liquid freezer 3 360m so I'm assuming I can cool it down with the extreme preset
i9 13900k rtx 4090 Z790 E gaming wifi motherboard 360mm aio liquid cooler 1050watt powersuply, I use this for 4k gaming everything maxed out... According to this can you suggest any changes on watts, currently using 253 watts on both options
For gaming? 7800X3D. Just the power draw alone is massively different. If you render for work, not just a hobby, the 14900K is going to be faster obviously.
Hi, I have an Intel 14900Ks and my temperatures are quite high. After updating the BIOS (asus strix z790-a gaming wifi ii) and using the XMP II profile, the TDP and amps were set to Extreme settings. Should I use the Intel default settings: Performance? I must say that I also use 3D tools like Blender, which suffer from unexpected shutdowns. Any advice? My cooler is a 360mm Corsair icue link h150i AiO. However, I usually have 70-80º in games and when I render some images it reaches 100º.
The 14900KS is really too much for any kind of All in one cooling solution, unless it is delided. You don't have many options to be honest. If you run the performance profile you will loose a good chunk of performance, and you won't be getting what you paid for. You must delid your CPU or upgrade your cooling to a full custom solution.
@@Bang4BuckPCGamer I don't really mind losing performance, if I gain stability and better temperatures. At least while I install a custom RL hehehe. Thanks a lot for answering.
Hey dude wonder if you can help, I know nothing about computers I fix cars for a living lmao, I have done the settings you recommend for the 14900k at some points it’s pulling 1.5 volts. Is this safe? Thanks for any info
@@Bang4BuckPCGamer man I really wish I knew how to do that lmao, I take it it’s also in the bios somewhere? I can change an engine no problem but looking in the bios scares me lol
@@Bang4BuckPCGamerso I have found it in the bios, says 1.469 volts but some times mine goes up to 1.490 looking on hardware monitor, do I have issues then?
Bang4BuckPC Gamer, Unfortunately, YOU may very well end up with issues. Intel allowed the power limits to spiral out of control intentionally to try to keep pace with AMD. What this WILL lead to is degradation of the CPU as the too-high voltage rips the occasional atom away from where it should be. It's not clear how long YOUR CPU will last. Nobody can know this, but statistically speaking you're at far worse risk then many other setups. Your system could very well become unstable this year and fail to boot, or it may last 5+ years... you may want to consider putting more time into increasing the longevity of the platform after a more stable BIOS releases (if there's more to come). Just my two cents.
As I said before, all of my i9 CPU's have been fine. And I have really good cooling, which makes things more stable than your average 360mm AIO. I don't keep my CPU's more than 3 years due to upgrades, so I don't have any longevity concerns.
You should really take another look at the chart. It says enable tvb enhancement, enable tvb voltage optimisation, and finally to enable tvb. What do you think that means? And to be clear it is not an overclock, as only the stock clocks are being used.
@@Bang4BuckPCGamer thx for your fast awnser sir. I thought that (enabled tvb one) was a choice for other boards that needs to enabled it to go for other 2 options. Not the Overclock choice. But that can be it. Thanks anyway! 😊
I think the game benchmarks are not CPU bound, as can be seen by the utilization. My guess is, these benchmarks are memory bound. Or some other bottlenecking...
You were using It everyday untill the controversy with instability arose, so It basicly won't matter to those, who got their setup with good motherboards and big coolers.
@@blargface1561 rogstrix z690-f and 360aio rogstrix LC2. with the performance profile the avg temp for me are 60° and spikes when loading shaders at 80° so never thermal throtling. everything is running pretty good now
@@blargface1561 rog strix z690-f and rogstrix LC2. avg temp 60° and spikes of 80° only when shaders are loading. with the performance profile is more than enough at 4k
This isn't a one size fits all. If you have a good motherboard and cooling solution. This is Intel's recommendation. "Intel recommends customers to implement the highest power delivery profile compatible with each individual motherboard design"
@@Bang4BuckPCGamer i really thank u for the info and benchmark, dont get me wrong. im just trying to inform u a little. u should really really try the finals, im wondering if u get those coooooolll temps there
@@drgoodness7you really watch it closely? Thers blue info table for intel with base, performance and extreme profiles. Those are intel spec. Just depends from system you have mobo, cpu and aio. I have 13900k on extreme and have 80 degrees in co cinebench and 60 degrees in cyberpunk on path tracing settings. 60 is tops for seconds Moro often less then it
Thanks for your help. I struggled to find the options in bios your instruction were great 👍
Also 260-270W in cyberpunk 2077... thats crazy lol. it exceeds the 253W limits for 13900k/14900k
Cyberpunk 2077 is CPU heavy.
Imagine the heat output at 1440p or 1440p ultrawide where the GPU also works harder. You could get about 700w dumped into you room with a config like this. My OC'd rig can also go above 400w and that's also very noticeable after a while.
@@valentinvas6454 Cyberpunk can hit 550W with a 4090, so upwards of 900W possibly with motherboard and other stuff.
How. I'm playing cyberpunk and mine 13900k drows at pick 200 watts. But most of the time 180 and I'm playing psych with path tracing . Have 50-60 degrees. And 20%-30% cpu usage
@@evan-du3vk a 14900k uses on average 30W more than a 13900k in gaming
Hey Bang, you explain stuff really well! I learnt so many new things from watching your videos. Thank you!
thank you! very helpful video to understand👍
Great video as always! Looking forward to Arrow Lake? Sounds like Intel will show off Arrow Lake and next gen desktop at Computex with hopeful launch within a few months now.
This is the case when you have a good CPU probably cherry picked. The problem is that NOT every 14900 K will reach the same speed like 5900 ( as advertised ) with Intel stock settings. Hence the need for your motherboard to use Auto voltages etc etc to get you the speed you have paid for. The speed printed on your CPU box. 😅
@@MrPyroblastic 14000KS*
now do a Cinebench comparison my 13900k at 5700 sucks up to 550watts
can you please try THE FINALS?
You really need a custom loop for those i9s.. my 14900k in the division 1 and division 2 uses 230W and it will hit 90C after 1 hour of gameplay on a 360mm aio push/pull....
This is why I went w/ a 14700K and comparing the negligible performance increase of an i9. Generally I always go i9 but went i7 w/ 14th gen bc it seemed to make the most sense. I'm running a 14700K w/ a 4090 TUF and I'm generally within 5fps of these benches which runs much cooler w/ slightly lower pwr usage.
The diminishing returns just dont make much sense for most use cases.
It's getting crazy to see these numbers, while 7800x3D is pulling 40-60 watts while gaming, pretty much getting same performance. What's more unfortunate for Intel that according to leaks next gen is only 10-15% more efficient.
@@heyguyslolGAMINGYeah, 14700k is a beast and has same performance in game as 13900k
@@darkfire3691 I don't actually like the comparison to AMD in terms of wattage. The 14900K is a 10nm process, unlike AMD's 5nm. Obviously AMD will have better power draw with a far smaller fabrication process.
If your only gaming just get the 7800X3D. Mine pulls like 25-60w in game lol.
What a great Video thanks for all the great content . This really helped me.
speaking from experience, the CPU's run fine with asus default setttings for about 6monts after that the CPU starts to degrade, I had 2 13900K go bad after 6 months. during usage everything was under control, including temps sub 80c
“Degrade” how…
Is there an "ECO" mode for intel to compare to the new updated/recomended bios? Obviously intel cranked everything they could into a refreshed-refresh to keep it relevant and pointed towards mobo manufacturers as long as they could when it made problems.
Baseline profile is PL1 = 125watt and PL2 = 188watt. Only gigabyte board has it right.. so you are still out of spec
This is a 14900ks. It doesn't run at 125 watt. And this isn't baseline specs, this is intels recommended default settings.
@@Bang4BuckPCGamer for 14900k 125watt is baseline and recommend. Intel just released official specs
@@defeyterjelle125 watts is PL1 on mt i7-12700K and roughtly 190 watts PL2, those numbers are wrong for an i9 😂.
@@saricubra2867 google it man. Released yesterday.
- Baseline profile does not exist for 13/14 Gen i9, Performance and Extreme profiles do.
- K and KS have different power profiles.
- Gigabyte didn't get the power limits right, as well as the AC/DC loadline values.
250W lol, this architecture is so inefficient. Intel will do anything so they will not be completely blasted by amd
Magically my MSI board was giving 240 watts to my i7-12700K on Cinebench, i used the Intel spec power limits, applied an undervolt and it dropped from 240 watts and instant 90 degrees C to 158 watts and 67 degrees C.
compared with what? a comparison can not make between this and the 7800x3d because the i9 just has considerable more cores and it is going to pull more power as those cores independently of much or not , are "on" , unless the user disables them, what admittedly will not have much or any effect in games, and will cut power by about 30% or more, but then the question is why buy a 24 cores cpu if you are going to disable 16 of them .
The argument that could be made is that people should not be buying a 24 core processor to play games. if someone wants to go with intel and just wants to play games, then they have the i5 14600 that are for gaming relatively close to the i9 but consume far less power.Even the i7 14700 will consume a far bit less for 97 % of the gaming performance of a KS.
As it stands presently i9s were not really made for games, specially KS's but people just buy them cause "higher price better" when in fact something like what he is testing only makes sense for gaming if the user also has specific productivity tasks such as video/image edition, specific modelling where time equal revenue- it is essentially akin to buying a high speed truck to go to the office. It only makes sense if you carry cargo.
@@Solrac-Siul Finally someone with a reasonable comment and no ryzen x3d mindset 😂.
Owning an i7 14700k, that one consumes 80-110 W in cs2 and 100-130 pubg, and I’m completely okay with that, however, I can also multitask with it and have no issues
Actually, processor runs at 1,27 vcore and is quite cold
@@neigebuttert I never said that x3d was not the best:) in 80% of the situations it is. My point, to use a boxing analogy, many often compare the power of cpu's that are on different weight classes. the 7950x can pull 230+watts in full load and that is with 7000 ddr5, add in 8400 ddr5 - assuming it works what is not assured - and it is on the same ballpark of an i9. And that is not due to AMD not being efficient rather than when you have multiple cores reaching 5.5+ ghz you will draw power and lots of it. And while there are tasks that may require such speeds, power and core number, Gaming is not one of them. Disable the 16 ecores of a i9, and those 220 or so watts that we in see in average on the video drop to around 130 without any direct gaming performance loss. Yet at that stage what is the point of buying an i9s when you can do the same with a oc'ed 14600k.
@@user-lq4ni6pr5l This would be true, but e-cores are used in gaming now. It never used to be the case, but it is now.
Hi Bang, thanks, i followed your instructions, also have a 14900ks. One thing i noticed is vcore is much higher on average when running games like HFW, like 1.45v-1.54ishv compared to before when it was avg 1.4v-1.45. What are you averaging with these intel settings compared to your own? is it safe to run 1.5v? thanks
With the intel Default settings, in Horizon forbidden west, I get from 1.435 - 1.490 at the very max.
@@Bang4BuckPCGamer hey brother. I was wondering if u think that these settings were safe to run everyday
@@blargface1561 I don't see anything dangerous about them. What has you concerned?
@@Bang4BuckPCGamer I was reading some threads online and some people were saying that even with a good Temps that if the cpu pulls alot of amps and voltage it sill degrade the chip. U seem very well educated in this field and been watching ur vids for a bit so I wanted to get ur take on that. I tend not to believe random people on thread but yeah. I have a arctic liquid freezer 3 360m so I'm assuming I can cool it down with the extreme preset
@@Bang4BuckPCGamer yo u never answered me lol I tested it with ur tutorial in the beginning. In cyberpunk I get max 80c avgs like 65 to 75 ish
Did you have Test it also with CB23/24?
i9 13900k rtx 4090 Z790 E gaming wifi motherboard 360mm aio liquid cooler 1050watt powersuply, I use this for 4k gaming everything maxed out... According to this can you suggest any changes on watts, currently using 253 watts on both options
253W is where you want to keep it with your setup.
@@Bang4BuckPCGamer thanks man ❤️❤️
14900k after settings P1 limits and with new update i never go above 37800 cinebench score before all these updates i was able to reach 40k
Thank you
What do you think: 14900k or 7800x3D for gaming? Cheers all
For gaming? 7800X3D. Just the power draw alone is massively different.
If you render for work, not just a hobby, the 14900K is going to be faster obviously.
Hi, I have an Intel 14900Ks and my temperatures are quite high. After updating the BIOS (asus strix z790-a gaming wifi ii) and using the XMP II profile, the TDP and amps were set to Extreme settings. Should I use the Intel default settings: Performance?
I must say that I also use 3D tools like Blender, which suffer from unexpected shutdowns. Any advice? My cooler is a 360mm Corsair icue link h150i AiO. However, I usually have 70-80º in games and when I render some images it reaches 100º.
The 14900KS is really too much for any kind of All in one cooling solution, unless it is delided. You don't have many options to be honest. If you run the performance profile you will loose a good chunk of performance, and you won't be getting what you paid for. You must delid your CPU or upgrade your cooling to a full custom solution.
@@Bang4BuckPCGamer I don't really mind losing performance, if I gain stability and better temperatures. At least while I install a custom RL hehehe. Thanks a lot for answering.
Hey dude wonder if you can help, I know nothing about computers I fix cars for a living lmao, I have done the settings you recommend for the 14900k at some points it’s pulling 1.5 volts. Is this safe? Thanks for any info
Yes it is safe, as long as that is your voltage for your 6ghz boost. You can check by looking at your vf point curve
@@Bang4BuckPCGamer man I really wish I knew how to do that lmao, I take it it’s also in the bios somewhere? I can change an engine no problem but looking in the bios scares me lol
@@Bang4BuckPCGamerso I have found it in the bios, says 1.469 volts but some times mine goes up to 1.490 looking on hardware monitor, do I have issues then?
Bang4BuckPC Gamer,
Unfortunately, YOU may very well end up with issues. Intel allowed the power limits to spiral out of control intentionally to try to keep pace with AMD. What this WILL lead to is degradation of the CPU as the too-high voltage rips the occasional atom away from where it should be. It's not clear how long YOUR CPU will last. Nobody can know this, but statistically speaking you're at far worse risk then many other setups. Your system could very well become unstable this year and fail to boot, or it may last 5+ years... you may want to consider putting more time into increasing the longevity of the platform after a more stable BIOS releases (if there's more to come). Just my two cents.
As I said before, all of my i9 CPU's have been fine. And I have really good cooling, which makes things more stable than your average 360mm AIO. I don't keep my CPU's more than 3 years due to upgrades, so I don't have any longevity concerns.
In their default settings, they do not tell us to enabled TVB Overclock at all? Only tvb enhanced and voltage.
You should really take another look at the chart. It says enable tvb enhancement, enable tvb voltage optimisation, and finally to enable tvb. What do you think that means? And to be clear it is not an overclock, as only the stock clocks are being used.
@@Bang4BuckPCGamer thx for your fast awnser sir. I thought that (enabled tvb one) was a choice for other boards that needs to enabled it to go for other 2 options. Not the Overclock choice. But that can be it. Thanks anyway! 😊
I think the game benchmarks are not CPU bound, as can be seen by the utilization. My guess is, these benchmarks are memory bound. Or some other bottlenecking...
Is it safe to use the extreme profile setting everyday with good cooling?
You were using It everyday untill the controversy with instability arose, so It basicly won't matter to those, who got their setup with good motherboards and big coolers.
i was using like that, till one day everything became unstable. now im using performance profile, same fps at 4k. better temps and lower voltages
@@drgoodness7 whats ur cooler and mobo? What Temps did u get before? Did u test it thoroughly on the previous settings before u changed it
@@blargface1561 rogstrix z690-f and 360aio rogstrix LC2.
with the performance profile the avg temp for me are 60° and spikes when loading shaders at 80° so never thermal throtling. everything is running pretty good now
@@blargface1561 rog strix z690-f and rogstrix LC2. avg temp 60° and spikes of 80° only when shaders are loading. with the performance profile is more than enough at 4k
Is i7 also impacted by this degradation/crashing issue?
No, they use lower voltages and clocks by default.
Well, then I should be happy for buying an i7 and not an i9
@@saricubra2867 okay good
What happened to setting ACLL=DCLL=LLC
You can just leave that at Auto.
but this is not Intels default profile, u are using the extreme profile so is supossed to looks like this, no performance lose
This isn't a one size fits all. If you have a good motherboard and cooling solution. This is Intel's recommendation.
"Intel recommends customers to implement the highest power delivery profile compatible with each individual motherboard design"
@@Bang4BuckPCGamer i really thank u for the info and benchmark, dont get me wrong. im just trying to inform u a little. u should really really try the finals, im wondering if u get those coooooolll temps there
@@drgoodness7you really watch it closely? Thers blue info table for intel with base, performance and extreme profiles. Those are intel spec. Just depends from system you have mobo, cpu and aio. I have 13900k on extreme and have 80 degrees in co cinebench and 60 degrees in cyberpunk on path tracing settings. 60 is tops for seconds Moro often less then it
None of these games are CPU hungry, test MP games like CStrike, The First descendant, Once Human etc.
what cooling do you usining only 50c how ?