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"file copying enthusiasts" never ceases to make me laugh lol
As a charter member of the File Copying Enthusiasts Guild, I approve.
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This is perfect, since there is no difference for new GPUs, PCI-E4 x8 is enough and PCI-E 5 x8 will be enough for the next gen.
I mean you can still run 2 gen 5 SSDs and get x16 for the gpu, only switches to x8 when you install a 3rd M2 drive which 99% of people won't use like ever. Gen 4 x8 is not enough though, 4080 is bottlenecked by 5-10% while the 4090 is around 20% you need x16 until we get gpus that natively support gen 5 then x8 will be enough.
@@kerotomas1 that is not really true. The RTX 4090 is bottlenecked just by about 2%, not 20% lol...............haha where you got this from? The difference is very very little and barely noticable.
Really solid board, amazing what you can get in the mid-range with these!
Nice video as always. Would love to see your video on b650E Tachyon too
Thank you for the great PCB breakdown BZ :),
In germany, the price difference between the x670e-aorus master and the b650e aorus-master is only around 70€ to 90€. Personally, I prefer the m.2 setup on the chipset of the x670e because If I decide to use more than two m.2 drives I can still use them without going down to x8 on the pcie 5.0 x16 slot (which is typically used by the graphic card). Unfortunately, current GPU gen only supports pcie 4.0 so there may be a small disadvantage (I think someone measured around 1%-3%?) to go down to x8.
exactly
Hast du das x670e Master gekauft?
@@BrickBazooka ja, bisher keine Probleme mit einen 7950x3d. Die SOC voltage Probleme hatte ich bisher nicht laut hwinfo
@@k0r4nd78 Du scheinst Dich gut informiert zu haben. Hattest Du auch das Xtreme überlegt zu kaufen? Das soll wohl shared Pcie lanes haben und darum auch nicht soooo geeignet zu sein für 2x m2ssd plus x16 gpu plus vielleicht noch ne Soundkarte..
Cheers for this one BZ. Much appreciated.
I love postcodes
As a file copy enthusiast, I approve. 🤪
Keep up the good work!
I've been waiting for you to post the video thank you so much
I wonder if converting them to PCIe slots will work. They have M.2 to PCIe adapter boards. I still don't understand this M.2 obsession. There's plenty of PCIe lanes to fit 7 PCIe slots and a few M.2 slots. I'd be fine with a single x16 slot and 6 x1 to x4 slots.
Same, a pcie to M.2 card is dirt cheap and pcie slots are so much more useful. It's also annoying that boards are dropping pcie slots just so they can advertise "we have (x) gen 5 m.2 slots". Anyone who wants a bunch of m.2 can just get their pcie m.2 or u.2 cards.
Not to mention normies don't even really care or know what that means and people who do don't need it. Kind of a self fulfilling issue.
Fantastic video BZ! Takes lots of explaining to get your point across but you manage to accomplish it!
I love the fact that Gigabyte makes "overkill" motherboards.
It is safer this way, and it's the very reason why I chose this brand for my last 2 PC builds.
I am not sure why but I am just getting caught up by the VRM. 8 phase each with 2x ~~100AMP stages at 1.2 Watts, able to survive short burst of ~~1600AMPS or 1.8KW. Like ... Why? (and this concerns all motherboard vendors. Which CPUS can be pushed even to 50% of that?)
“Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should.”
It seems like most B650 & X670's have way overkill VRMs. I have a B650 Aorus Pro & my VRM's never get past 35c while gaming with my 7700x lol.
i think it is clever marketing move toward "advanced" users who is seeking for future proof motherboard and geeking over vrm config.
Love to see you back in the game man :)
Love to get a z790 tachyon review from you
Blows my mind that there’s no clear cmos button on the x670 master
for such a premium feature you need the X670E Aorus Xtreme
It's nice to see your videos again!
I was actually looking for more details on my board especially the pcie 5 ports. I was surprised I stayed throughout the video. Loving my board even more. I know its overkill for regular use, but Im gonna keep this for a few more years, till PCIE5 ssd's and Gpu's come out
selfishly as a new Auros Ultra (z690 intel) owner, I would love a breakdown of that - given you have done several other Auros's. * throws dollars at screen *
* also throws blow and hookers * (hookers most displeased with being tossed against a 24" monitor)
and yes, I know you did one for a very similar Auros z690
Honestly i was more interested about sacrificing x16 slot when putting more than 1 ssd in and you answered my question well now i can get this board without having to be worried about gettin 2 ssds and losing that x16
what happened to Dual Bios stuff from gigabyte?... -is that still a thing, or is Q-flash the technoclogical advancement past Dual Bios?... xD
Nice job! You mentioned the ASRock Livemixer and an ASUS board... Could you do a PCB Breakdown for them too please?
1st and 4th pci 5 slot is directly connected to cpu 2nd and 3rd slot connected through switch which will reduce gpu bandwidth
Smug CrystalDiskMark Shizuku grins
The pci m.2 config on the board is my jam, but I'm on a ~2025+ horizon for next upgrade
Maybe we'll actually have Gen5 SSDs available by then
Granted we may have 7xx series boards with Gen5 chipset/lanes by then
x8/x8 with a riser can be physically a pain due to the chonkers size of GPUs and blocking airflow
Apparently HUB found that Gigabyte is doing a relatively better job of out of box secondary memory timings, which is nice
Is there a way to differ between b650e aorus master with the vrm bug and the fixed ones before buying?
Like a version or serial number or anything???
btw this Motherboard didn't even post over 6200mhz but on the asus strix x670e-e runs perfect with 6400mhz and tight timings, hopefully you will review this board
do you know when the B650E AORUS TACHYON will come out?
Yes!!! I love these!!!!
Hey, I am wondering about PCB breakdown of some really of the cheapest AM5 mobos.
I am also wondering abut PCB breakdown of new GB AM4 B450-POOR mobo, that actually is rescuing all the AM4 socket sensibility, because of massive price hike of all the rest of mobos (at least in my region). It is totally cheaped out, but I think it's good enough for Ryzen 5500, 5600, and even X3D that is using really little power.
WARNING
If you buy this model then make sure it's from a reputable retailer with a very good RMA customer service, there's a little QC issue with this model and Gigabyte being Gigabyte wont help you at all.
buildzoid you're awesome, please make AM5 memory overclock video.
I bought this motherboard and I have the "little' QC issue of getting black screens when I put my CPU under load. Just get another motherboard and save yourselves your time, money and hassles. There's a reason this mobo is this cheap for the features it offers - poor quality control. It's not worth it, believe me.
Gigabyte being gigabutt..
This model also comes with a 5 year warranty in North America.
What "QC" means please?
I have aorus elite ax, it has same issue?
@@malesulo980 QC = quality control. I've not heard of their Aorus Elite models having this issue. Hopefully you are fine. One way you can test for the issue is if you put a powerful CPU like a 7950x and run OCCT Large Data Set (it's important that it's on the large data set setting) or if you run Corona Benchmark. Prime95 also causes the black screens. It can also happen with other software and even games from what I've heard from other people. I think it has to do with the inability of the motherboard to adequately handle AVX workloads since all of these software use AVX instructions.
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@buildzoid do you think they put 2 phases on the misc rail for better transient response or is that rail super stable and the capacitors would fill in the gaps of a single rail's on/off cycle?
Only problem is Gigabytes Bios they sit on many Betas with remove and replace for a long time like they are confused or unsure.
BZ if i sent you a pcb picture of my x670E MPG Carbon, would you (it's the EK model so no colling on it), would you make a video of it?
u forgot the tb4 header.
hAVE YOU ENCOUNTERED THE bios battery issue on our master boards? I had to strip my entire setup in order to change out the battery on my Aourus 670E master. I ouldn't believe what a poor design this is and Gigabyte had a bad batch of CRq2032 batteries. Otherwise a goood board.
My X670E Master only has an internal clear cmos JUMPER. Much to my disappointment.
A great explanation. Is it stable with 6000/30 RAMs?
Buildzoid, do you think that this board could run DDR5-7200(OC) in the future if Ryzen 8000 gonna support it? In the other worlds, what RAM limits in case of data rate and latency this board has? Is just a question of software and firmware or hardware has some limits in this as well?
I realized it has THB_U4 add-in card connector. Can you anybody say what is this used for? Does anybody has usefull use for this port?
Would you make some DDR5 2x32GB SK Hynix with dual rank 16Gb mem chips tests in the future? For example is it possible to overclock Kingston 5200MT/s or 5600MT/s rated dimms to 6200+ MT/s?
Any update on the way ref AVX workload issues?
Hi Buildzoid, guys here.
Buildzoid a question on this board since you are a trusted genius for me
why does Gigabyte boards have issues with DACs on USB ports it has a POP to it that is so noticeable like a switch on and off when there is sound vs no sound
does this issue come with some boards and not others? and does it also happen with this board since it is the cheapest in my country and i don't want to get another gigabyte for this issue?
i have a z790 Aorus Elite AX DDR4 and i want to get an AMD build with this board.
on asus boards this issue is non existent is there an explanation to this or is it a gigabyte thing any insight will be helpful for me thanks in advance
in norway ASUS ROG STRIX B650E-E GAMING is about 100 $ cheaper and it has a post code boot screen on the MB
They have the b650e tachyon on the website, but I can't see it for sale anywhere
I don't think it is on sale yet. Even the z790 Tachyon isn't available yet.
@@mukundpadmanabhan1930 in Australia they had some z790 tachyons
It's out of stock for me as well. Are you really considering getting a what, 800$ B650 motherboard? I know it looks really nice but holy.
@@fVNzO maybe he wants to do some extreme overclocking. Those boards don't make sense otherwise. I personally am interested in the b650e tachyon because I wanna try to do some memory OC
@@LawrenceTimme I remember some Aussie stores had the z590 tachyon in stock before it came to US too.
> "Mega-Heatpipe & M.2 Thermal Guard III：To Ensure VRM Power Stability & 25110 PCIe 5.0 M.2 SSD Performance"
Ah, so the massive heatsink isn't just for the VRMs that you say don't need it, but its connected via Heatpipe top to bottom, so the four M.2 SSD are cooled by it as well, that makes a little bit more sense maybe?
it does not connect to the M.2s
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if an EPS12v connector is 18guage and is ~28 inches long isn't it capable of 40A, 480watts (10A per wire)? Do the connectors in the plastic housing affect power that can be drawn?
This board is far too expensive. I'd prefer the B650E-E at this point with 2 PCIe5 x16, or even a X670E-A.
We used to argue about the Asus tax back then, with reason, but today they must be the best quality/price boards.
I picked this MB up at Microcenter for $330, as far as AM5 prices seems reasonable to me.
@@njasicko well, maybe in US then. In France this card is around 470€, while the Asus above are 330 to 370€
wait till you see asus x670 pricing lmao
@@ThunderingRoar the x670E-A is a bit less expensive and doesn't sacrifice anything when plugging M.2 drives. It also has a bit better I/O. Yes at 460 it is expensive but this gigabyte is FAR too expensive.
@@TheRealBix both bords cost the same in germany and master has much more OC related features
Does this board have ECLK Generator just like the X670e Master and the normal b650 elite?
According to Gigabyte themselves (this is from a reply to a comment on the Aorus channel, in the video for this motherboard), no this model doesn not have ECLK Generator.
For regular gamers that are neither file-copying enthusiasts nor overclockers, it seems to me that the ASUS ROG STRIX B650E-F GAMING WIFI offers a more sensible feature-set for 25% less money. I'd be really interested in seeing a mobo breakdown of that one.
Apparently you're one of the many people who don't know that CZcams HAS A SEARCH FUNCTION. WITH WHICH YOU CAN SEARCH FOR VIDEOS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN POSTED.
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BZ, whats your take of this Gigabyte vs Asus Strix B650E-F you reviewed recently?
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking I admit I posted that comment while assuming the requested video didn't exist (yet). That was stupid. Sorry for any upset caused - love your work.
Are there any dual rank 16gb d5 sticks in the market? I can find ddr4 16gb dual rank sticks but not ddr5.
Hah! I Just bought this mobo yesterday 😄
Which CPU did you pair it with? Do you have the black screen issues when you put the CPU under load in Corona Benchmark, Prime95 and OCCT large data set?
@@bgtubber I should recieve it tomorrow. I have 7700x and plan to change it for x3d model later.
Apparently board is from newer batch thats why i'm still waiting for it.
I will definitely check it with load you mentioned and get back here.
So after 24h of intense testing - No problem on my board. Paired with 7700x - one thing that might be unusual is lack of nvme drive right now. I need to prepare it from my old system.
: How does heat scale with switching freq.? Does anyone know? Like it doubles from 500 kHz to 1000 kHz so 30W in this case?
does this board have any ECLK overclocking options ?
Bro where is your accent from? You live in the UK but sound 👽…
BZ is from the Czech Republic, but lives in the UK and has learnt English from a Canadian.
@actually hardcore overclocking does this board have eclk control?
Are they insane with the 16 Vcore VRM phases at 105A each? (so for a total almost 1700A for the CPU alone!) That's how much the high-end HEDT boards used to have when they were sold.
If this were a X670E I wouldn't be bickering too much about it, but this is B650E! Damn.
My Threadripper 3000-series motherboard (Asus ROG Strix TRX40-E) has a weaker VRM and it supports 64-core CPUs that can go well above 700 Watts when overclocked. 😂
@@bgtubber Yeah that's the point, especially given that B-series mobos will also go with non-X CPUs that draw 88W max with PBO left off. It's insane and ridiculous.
ngl hella overkill id rather have them cut down on phases and lower the price in return
So far though all AM5 board as far as ive seen have really nice VRMs.
Even a B550 board has a better VRM than my 3 year old B450 board.
Wouldn't it make more sense to just buy a standard board and use PCIE to m.2 adapters?
are there standard boards with many pcie slots you can use like that? Afaik most boards have just the slot for the GPU and some small stuff from chipset for another slot or so
I would buy this board over the Master if it had 2 3.2 usb headers for the front case. But no only. I need 2
I don’t know how you can keep saying that various vrm components are overkill. Do you know what AMD will produce next year and the year after? These boards are supposed to last until 2025 and beyond.
Raise the middle finger to Bios code inflation with something like P80DB2 LPC Debug Card provided LPC/TPM is available which is also not a given :/
tachyon next?
I have PC black screen freezes with this motherboard and had no comment from Gigabyte support about this asking them if they have new BIOS version that fixes my problem I am probably return this to Amazon and get other manufacture zen 4 motherboard. I wouldn't recommend this motherboard even if the hardware is solid the software is just bad.
can you run cinebench R20 on your board? There seems to be an early batch of this board that's completely broken and not being able to run cinebench is one of the symptoms.
Same here. I get black screens in some software. Check the video on my channel. I don't recommend this motherboard if you don't know if it's an early batch. You will just waste hours or weeks troubleshooting and RMA'ing. Better just get another motherboard.
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking I can run Cinebench R23 for hours on my B650E Aorus Master, but as soon as I run Corona Benchmark, OCCT large dataset or Prime95, I get the black screens.
And I had black screen 1 second I after clicked the Reply button 🤣
@@bgtubber R23 doesn't use AVX AFAIK. Which is why I said R20 specifically.
Im having a hard time getting either this board B650E or the B650 Aorus Elite AX.
Which one did you get? I have the same problem right now 😅
@@linos1085 got the B650 Aorus Elite AX.
B650E
Pls do x670 taichi
I do not recommend this motherboard. There's a reason it's this cheap for the features it offers - some of these mobos are factory defective (AKA poor quality control). They will cause black screens when paired with Ryzen 7950x. Mine was one of those factory defective ones and I've been waiting for weeks for replacement. Check my channel for a video I shot of mine. There are also Reddit threads about this (search B650E Aorus Master black screen). What's worse is some people won't even know this since the problem doesn't happen in every software or game and will think it's their video card, PSU or monitor that's at fault, wasting hours or days of their time when it's the Gigabyte motherboard. For example, I can run hours of Cinebench R23 without any issues, but as soon as I run Corona benchmark, OCCT large dataset or Prime95, I get black screens. Typical for Gigabyte, they are playing dumb and still haven't even officially acknowledged the problem. I wrote to their support and they also "don't know" about this issue. I'm very disappointed with Gigabyte as a company. Just don't buy it. It's not worth the time, money and hassle RMA'ing, believe me.
How about Gen4 16x+Gen4 8x+Gen3 16x?! Redrive that Gen5 shit already!
The big disappointment is DDR5.. when you populate all 4 slots, the speed drops down to 3600. So, yeah, what's the point of DDR5 then. There is no point. My DDR3 ran at 3600...
If the M.2's aren't run as Gen 5.0, will they still cut the x16 down to an x8?
Im eyeing up this board Vs. The ASUS Strix B650e-e and that's just one of my concerns between the two.
yes it's a switch that moves whole lanes, what they run as does not matter, it's electrically connected to the SSD and not the GPU
@@marcogenovesi8570 Sad and annoying. Welp, ASUS it is.
@@jarodwingert5517 all b650e boards are the same using 2 or more m.2
@Nistical Boo. Do you know if X670e has the same disappointing feature?
@@jarodwingert5517 no it does not so you wouldn't have to worry about it with the x670 boards, but cost more so is it really worth it. I heard that comparing x16 to x8 is about a 3% difference in performance. Both boards are future proof pick your poison lol
Hi, I appreciate your content, but you are wrong. X670E master PCIE 5.0 connectivity is not the same like B650E. There is no PCIe sharing with M.2. Although X670E Aorus Extreme has same sharing..... I am confused at this point....
Please make Breakdown of X670E aorus Master board!!!
"better than to be stuck with troublshooting LEDs" ...bruh, most B650 boards don't even have troubleshooting LEDs either!
that is now a premium feature as well, every Tech Support person better get ready to go back to decoding beep morse codes for trouble shooting and have one of them little speakers in their backpack again (because PC cases sure don't come with those obsolete things anymore). Back to 1995 bitches!
when will you do the x670e extreme??
probably never
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking how come?
@@j2ballybatty expensive man lol
Second!
First!
This is the board i would've really wanted for my AM5 rig but it's about twice the price of my B650 TUF and so gigabyte can go ram skittles up their noses. It's closing in on the cost of a PS5 without the disc drive.
file copy
SSD crypto machine !