Stationeers experimental project. Gas fuel generator
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- čas přidán 11. 03. 2021
- Today I will be making it up as I go. I have not been able to get the gas fuel generator to work 100% before so today I will be attempting a few experiments to work out the kinks and see how much I can get out of it. Mistakes were made. If you have ideas for improvements drop a comment.
Code still needs some work:
steamcommunity.com/sharedfile... - Hry
Active vents have a feature that is extremely useful here. They have a built-in bidirectional pressure regulator. For example, if vent1 was set to PressureExternal (ie: the room) 75 and left on permanently, the pressure cell would stay reliably in the 74-75kPa range with no logic required of any sort after that. Just leave it on. Vent2 could be set a little higher so that they don't fight with each other. You can use them to pressurize the pipe or tank the same way. Set PressureInternal (ie: pipe side) to 2000 and it will keep the pipe/tank topped up to 2MPa, again with no logic.
I saw Elmotrix use this in his Oxygen heater control for his advanced furnace setup. It works incredibly well.
I love this. In your tutorials we can see the logic behind why a build is designed the way it is and how the IC code controls it. In this video we get to see the thought process BEHIND the logic of the build.
>Wall flies off to the side
"I noticed a minor problem with that now"
YES, what a beauty !
Bro out of the 4 days of trying to set one up, and following every guide. You showed how to do it simple. Thanks so much bro you deserve the sub. Lets see this game become a 3d Space station 13 together lol
hey mick, big fan. been waiting for you to tackle the GFG :)
if you want more controllability a PID controller is the way to go, not only for the cooling, but also for power control. You can use a Volume Pump on the fuel pipe too, instead of the pressure regulator. Lets you control the generator to exactly the power level you need.
I got a couple of videos on the GFG/PID on my channel already if you're interested.
I bookmarked your videos a while ago but I wanted the challenge to solve for myself before watching. Your setup is quite imperssive. I only wanted the generator as a backup but you have managed to make it your primary power source.
It looks like we both got the same hardware for cooling on Mars but I had to stop the video before you gave the hot planet solution. I will watch that bit after playing Venus.
How much Fuel does it use ?
I dont want to keep running for Ice every night.
@@user-si5fm8ql3c 0.000056 mols pr Watt pr second. To put it another way, 30kw production consumes 3 units of volatile ice, and 1.5 units of oxide ice pr hour. basically nothing.
simple and effective.. i like it
maby i rebuild this with a 2x2 room for more tolerances
I'm a bit late, but according to the wiki active vents can be set to stop pumping at a desired external pressure. You could use the IC batch instructions to control as many active vents as needed without worrying about undershooting or running out of IC pins. Just have them all switch on at once when the pressure gets too high, it'll probably end using less power.
great project
Hahaha again, you know what we need most
i hope you can do follow ups on the control aspect and setting it up ? great videos
I know this is an older video but would love to see a follow up with the addition of the fuel production and storage added. Would give a more valid idea of total size requirement for a stable GFG.
Hey mick!!!! Love the videos!! Still watching! Loving it even more now that my PC can handle the game again.
I'm looking to try amd get this up and running, now that they have the back pressure regulator would that make a difference with how you would build this??
Would love to see an update with this system :)
Thank you for another great Video Mick
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Here is the AIMeE setup ;)
Have you tried using the water cooling items that are in beta yet Mick? That may be a tad bit more fruitful! Awesome video as always
About active vent, you can write External and Internal pressures into it and it`ll just follow these numbers and won`t suck all air out down to 0kPa, it`ll suck down to number you`ve written to the External pressure and'\or up to number you`ve set to Internal pressure settings.
I love this video, maybe it is the engineer inside me, every time I watch one of these videos I want to dive in and play around with things myself.
this is a great vid, i was wondering if you had like a step by step(im newer and dont know anything about how to engineer this stuffs) guide? ive noticed in vids that stuff just appears hooked up and whatnot, i personally dont know how to do that stuffs thanks! :)
Thank you for all your programming videos. I learned a lot from you.
BUT: You´re missing something in your code...
Take a look at my setup on the moon.
My graph looks very constant and yours are playing pingpong.
Cheers
-The other games
... not sure you explored this, but a turbine as your vent, get some power from that gas venting. Possibly use a door connected to a pressure sensor...
IC code please Mick!! Love your content man!!
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Use a vacuum room with insulated pipes going from the gas generator room into the vacuum room. Put a buttload of radiators on the pipe in both rooms. Put a pipe valve between the two rooms and put a gas sensor in the generator room. Automate it so that if temp > threshold then open the valve. Profit.
Maybe you should try it and find out how well that doesn't work.
Need that IC code man, this is really useful for Europa
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Realy nice idea, didn't know this thing needs so much love.. On mars you can use the heat for the base :D And you get water I assume.
Is it possible to programm an PID-Regulartor für that volume pump?
There are quite a few videos on CZcams about the Generator and PID control if you do a quick search.
You can use a PID but a simple equation will do the job. No water, it outputs bad chemistry.
@@cowsareevil7514 Lol yeah, also we wouldn't need any Air Conditioners if you know, Thermodynamics actually worked to High and Low Pressure in the game :p Volume Pumps/Radiators would cool everything.
Thanks Mick, as always. I love watching your stationeers video's. I really enjoy how you explain each line of your coding in most of your video's to allow us to get an understanding of what the IC's are actually doing. I only wish I had the grey matter to make it work also :). I built one after watching your tutorial. But I can't seem to get more than 11.7KW out of it. I placed a dial which is connected to a Pressure Regulator. At 1ka on the PR, I get 5ish KW. 2ka I get 11ish KW, at 3ka I get 11.7KW. What am I doing wrong????
You might be limited by the speed of the regulator. Try moving the regulator closer to the fuel tank or change to a volume pump or remove it completely.
@@cowsareevil7514 You're a 100% correct. I threw in a VP instead, and I was able to raise it to 43KW. Thanks a bunch mate. You're a bloody legend.
hi, this is a nice try and error setup :)
I have a question :
could one use a less powerfull static cooling and instead regulate the power output of the generator with the help of a transformer so that it runs within the parameters?
i NEVER need this much power 24/7 :)
You will need to regulate the fuel input to control the power and heat output. I haven't had great success but other people have. I was just happy to get it working.
Would it work no that they added that heat exchanger ? I don’t know how it works but would it pull the heat from inside there to the outside
It makes a lot of heat. I haven't been able to do it with heat exchangers.
Could you run a aircon unit into it and set the temp for the room ? And have it on a loop? Only a few mins into video I'll keep watching
Hey Mick can ya help me out on this one... I can't get my gas gen to even turn on without wiring up the power slot to incoming power.
At first I assumed this was outgoing power so wired it to my batteries but it wouldn't turn on even for a second. So I wired it all up with heavy cable but when there is a connection leading back to the batteries the (small)transformer refuses to send power. How do I get the power to the batteries then? Do I need a bigger transformer to prevent blowouts and heavy cable everywhere?
Creating a circle back to my batteries just seems wrong. Appreciate any advice and thanks in advance! I'm gonna need to make one of them accident counters next.
It should still start even without the power connected. Make sure you have the fuel and exhaust connected. Make sure you have the right fuel mix and pressure.
@@cowsareevil7514 Thank you. I'm guessing pressure is my problem them. Should of known I couldn't half ass it with an electrolyser.
Did they change something, I can't get the gen to run on 1pka
This
You should look up PID (Proportional-Integrital-Differential) feedback controllers. They're a generic mathematical control system used everywhere in the modern world. Anything that has an ideal output, a way to sense the current output and some kind of regulator can use a PID to automatically regulate it.
You've basically made a P controller here; a controller that only has the proportional feedback (the classic example is the ball governor on a steam engine). This does all right, but as you can see from the graph, it's very cyclical and can't deal well with large changes in load. The ID parts of a PID system even out the error and result in a more reactive system.
I'd bet that it'd be pretty easy to make a PID system with the ICs.
A PID could be used but as this is a closed system with known environmental inputs I opted for a simple equation for the input driver.
@@cowsareevil7514 Fair enough, then. :) Process engineering is something I find find fascinating.
They are fascinating, I have used them IRL for flight computers and robotics where there are too many variables to monitor and calculate. But I am also devoted to the engineering rule of keep it simple. I will find a need for one sooner or later.
Great job but you have the wrong game listed.
I would bet it's only power positive on the hot planets with the vacuum cooling glitch.
80kW will run a lot of coolers. I will try for a Venus GFG hold the cheese.
@@cowsareevil7514 I saw a video with someone cooling it with night air on Vulcan, and they said it wasn't power positive. However, Venus is slightly cooler and has more atmospheric pressure.
Another idea for Venus is to melt a bunch of water ice, which produces very cold H2O and N2. Maybe use that for cooling. The volatile ice could also be used, it's cold.
@@scottwhitlock8559 That was Elmotrix: czcams.com/video/ZHq20I1HJ8U/video.html
Now try to get it to work on Venus :D
Challenge accepted.
@@cowsareevil7514 I'm really looking forward to seeing that .
@@cowsareevil7514 If you pull this off on Venus lets play I'll be super impressed. I'm playing Venus now and I had so much trouble getting my temps down to use your Advanced Furnace design. Fuel kept combusting in the pipe if my base was warmer than 32C. I had to resort to cheesing a vacuum room to pull if off too.
@@cowsareevil7514 You'll probably need to freeze the atmosphere around the gas fuel generator at cryogenic temperatures. An air conditioner should be able to do that on Venus, but you might only be able to do that at a reasonable power usage at night, so a large tank to store it would be needed for operation during the day. What's the max power draw of an air conditioner? I can't imagine it's higher than the output of the generator.
@@cowsareevil7514 looking forward to it!
I would love to see what the power output would be at max 100L input, think you could push it that high?
At the end I removed the pressure regulator so that is full power.
depends on the fuel temp. The generator max is 101 kPa. On my Europa world my fuel is -140*c and if i max my generator it generates 170 Kw
@@cowsareevil7514 At the end of your video you're generating around 83kW, that's a massive difference to the 170kW Elmotrix is pushing - just wondering (in the name of science of course) if that would be the max, or if it can be pushed even more somehow.
Honestly, even though it's massively better than solar or wind, I've already invested far too much time making my power grid to replace it all now. Maybe the next update that forces me to abandon my current save will make me look into this further, until then I'll leave it to you guys to experiment with it. :)
I didn't even consider fuel temp. How do you use 170kW if the cable burns out at 100kW?
@@cowsareevil7514 you don't :) you just brace for the power spike with a couple of large transformers. blew a few cables because of startup spike.
Wtf this is ridiculous amount of power 😳
What is the maximum power output? Like, if it's not throttled by temperature
Ridiculous seems like an accurate description. It produces enough power to run enough electrolysers to replace the fuel it uses and still have plenty to spare. Seriously OP. Unthrottled at the end, full power and stable.
ahaa.. i was always using a volume pump for fuel input on my generator. never managed to cool it down.. pressure regulator instead..
Both will work. Elmo has a lot of success with the volume pump.
@@cowsareevil7514 already tried teh regulator.. i have had another problem.. pressure in my fuel-tank was too low, i think. generator uses up fuel faster than regulator could provide.. same when using volume pump. now i use both.. pump pressurizes the pipe and than regulator dips it to the generator. ... took me a lot of time to figure that out. but your script for the IC is just tgreat. works perfetly. thanks
Why i cant feed enough fuel even with two pressure regulators and here i see only one,, Please more tips and info how to feed fuel into generator.
At the end I removed the fuel regulator completely and fed the mixer directly into the generator.
No experiment is complete with out at least one explosive decompression event.
what about using a vacuum chamber with radiators to chill the coolant gas. You wouldn't have to wait for night time to collect your coolant gas. You could also recycle the coolant that way.
The heated coolant could be used for base heating before being chilled and reused for cooling the generator again. This has given me ideas for my current mars base build.
The vacuum trick is a physics exploit that I choose not to use.
what are cows, really
Ic code please
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@@cowsareevil7514 thANKS