Bill Belichick needed Tom Brady more than Brady needed Belichick - Mike Francesa | First Take

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  • Bill Belichick needed Tom Brady more than Brady needed Belichick - Mike Francesa | First Take
    Stephen A. Smith, Chris "Mad Dog" and Mike Francesa weigh in on Tom Brady's retirement.
    #firsttake #nfl #tombrady
    0:00 Mike Francesa on Brady taking team friendly deals
    1:00 Stephen A. thinks Brady would have still retired if the Bucs were stacked like the 49ers team
    4:00 Stephen A. talks about Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs
    5:15 Brady vs. Belichick debate
    7:45 Do you feel celebratory right now about Brady's retirement?
    8:50 Stephen A. says Brady made the right decision
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  • @techsteveo7913
    @techsteveo7913 Před rokem +76

    Mike and Chris can turn literally any topic into an entertaining debate. Miss them together! GOATS!

  • @inlivingcolor...abroad6099

    Ppl don’t realize that Mike & Mad Dog are literally the genesis of sports debate show format that we now see today.

    • @peteroh7451
      @peteroh7451 Před rokem +7

      Glad I saw this comment. These two deserve all the credit and more.

    • @RawwRex
      @RawwRex Před rokem +7

      I give Skip Bayless his credit he officially started the “sports debate”. People always disagreed but Skip was the one who said we need to do this for real

    • @peteroh7451
      @peteroh7451 Před rokem

      @@RawwRex these two were debating when you were still in your dads nut sack

    • @nickytommymancinelli8066
      @nickytommymancinelli8066 Před rokem +1

      REAL NYC GOAT$$

    • @firstnamelastname42069
      @firstnamelastname42069 Před rokem

      They are both terrible

  • @Scrooge721
    @Scrooge721 Před rokem +39

    This is so great having them back together!

    • @Alex-sf9bo
      @Alex-sf9bo Před rokem

      Doug Pederson is better than belichick

  • @strategyking3999
    @strategyking3999 Před rokem +24

    By the way, Jordan has NOT been replaced. He's been retired for 20 years and his name is still the biggest name in American sports, and definitely the biggest in the NBA even now

    • @ADM-nx8gn
      @ADM-nx8gn Před rokem +5

      I don't think he means surpassed, I think he means the sports always continue marching on decade after decade despite the greatest leaving.

    • @alexevanoski4588
      @alexevanoski4588 Před rokem

      It’s because of his clothing brand

  • @tendaii95
    @tendaii95 Před rokem +29

    I hope we will get more Smith Mike and Chris First Take Shows !

  • @Achoo8274
    @Achoo8274 Před rokem +20

    Come on! How do these 2 guys not have a show on TV!

  • @SeanDaNerd
    @SeanDaNerd Před rokem +14

    Most professional I’ve seen Molly be. This was a great segment.

  • @jordandoronila2712
    @jordandoronila2712 Před rokem +12

    Good to seeing both Mike and Mad Dog back debating. I grew up with listening to them on the WFAN being back east. Nice job Stephen A. Great idea.

  • @shakiemjeanjoseph428
    @shakiemjeanjoseph428 Před rokem +16

    2 Legends who changed Sports Radio

  • @ricoz2016
    @ricoz2016 Před rokem +5

    SO MUCH Sports wisdom & insight there, and entertaining!
    Bronx-born & bred here so these guys are my heroes!

  • @royhobbs5167
    @royhobbs5167 Před rokem +4

    This is the only combo in history I've ever heard people ask this question of. They were the greatest football combo ever. Everybody needs a quarterback and everybody needs a defense and a coach. That's what they got from those two.

  • @seashackf1
    @seashackf1 Před rokem +5

    This should be the new First Take team. It’s better with the mostly toned down and reasonable discussion with only the occasional getting loud or yelling to add some energy.

  • @mdrcross100
    @mdrcross100 Před rokem +3

    It is good hearing them together

  • @Grievous_
    @Grievous_ Před rokem +29

    It’s gonna take me a while to get really interested in the Nfl again, because Brady is the reason I woke up and watched football nonstop on Sunday, he’s the reason I celebrated so hard yelled at my tv and also got pissed too at times when he’d lose but I loved feeling those emotions, and now it won’t be the same without Brady, Im a Patriots fan and unless the Patriots start doing something I don’t really care anymore

    • @malikjackson5599
      @malikjackson5599 Před rokem

      Sucks too be you then 😂

    • @Steelfan-oe7ok
      @Steelfan-oe7ok Před rokem +1

      So youre only a Pats fan if they do good ?

    • @malikjackson5599
      @malikjackson5599 Před rokem

      @@Steelfan-oe7ok Eagles fan big dog

    • @Steelfan-oe7ok
      @Steelfan-oe7ok Před rokem

      @@malikjackson5599 good luck next week

    • @d.michael372
      @d.michael372 Před rokem +1

      All those super athletes Tom was throwing the ball to, making amazing plays after the catch! And now you don’t want to watch the NFL because one guy is gone? Allegedly. Lol

  • @tony84.
    @tony84. Před rokem +5

    5:27, Solid sports talk today. And I agree with Mike Francesa, Belichick needed Tom Brady to win, not the other way around and Brady proved that by winning the Super Bowl in Tampa. Also congrats to Tom Brady on a great career💯Next stop is the Hall of Fame💯

  • @lloydbonafide3398
    @lloydbonafide3398 Před rokem +14

    Brady stopped alot of dynastys and great qbs of today from winning their 2nd or 3rd chip

    • @shawnsanders9450
      @shawnsanders9450 Před rokem +1

      3-0 vs Steelers by themselves in the AFC championship. That's 3 times they kept the Steelers from the Superbowl.

    • @kanajingly8957
      @kanajingly8957 Před rokem +2

      He was the greatest quarterback ever in an era that had the greatest quarterbacks ever,
      When you also factor in that his superbowl winning teams did not always have great offensive players, aside from randy moss and Gronk, you realise that his greatness also comes from being the most resourceful football player in the history of the NFL.
      He came back from 28-3 down in the superbowl with Julian Edelman as his best receiver to beat the best offence in the NFL that year.
      Tom Brady was always the ultimate big game performer who made everyone around him greater.

  • @bryaneddy2647
    @bryaneddy2647 Před rokem +13

    both Bill and Tom needed Adam Vinatieri

    • @brettpoe3069
      @brettpoe3069 Před rokem +2

      You got that right

    • @aaronjackson9385
      @aaronjackson9385 Před rokem

      Why? They won 3 after he left, while he won one without them. 1/3 in SB 38, one 19 yarder in SB 39..

    • @joeruiz4010
      @joeruiz4010 Před 7 měsíci

      So did Manning in 2006, and Brady never had a Defense like the 2015 Broncos as Manning had.

  • @Ken-zh2br
    @Ken-zh2br Před rokem +3

    Yes a great coach needs great players to win. Usually a great player needs a great coach to win or a incredible stacked roster

  • @evanpena9721
    @evanpena9721 Před rokem

    Best conversation I’ve seen on first take in forever that was a great job

  • @shawnsanders9450
    @shawnsanders9450 Před rokem +2

    Who needed who more got completely answered after leaving.

  • @polpol1005
    @polpol1005 Před rokem +3

    both needed eachother tbh

  • @robertgraziano7898
    @robertgraziano7898 Před rokem +1

    The three should have a show..would be fantastic

  • @dylxnc1293
    @dylxnc1293 Před rokem +27

    Brady is the goat always will be but he always had an elite defence due to coach belichick so they needed each other

  • @peterdangelo5882
    @peterdangelo5882 Před rokem

    Well said. Best analysis of NFL goings on today.

  • @PeanutButterAndJellyBros
    @PeanutButterAndJellyBros Před rokem +11

    well at least francesa knows a little bit of football.

  • @Advoc8te4Truth
    @Advoc8te4Truth Před 7 měsíci +2

    Seriously, I am sick about people downplaying just how much money Tom Brady left on the table during his New England days. I mean, let's be real here. We're talking $100m who the hell in the history of sport turned down that much money just to make their team more competitive?

  • @ADM-nx8gn
    @ADM-nx8gn Před rokem

    This is gold

  • @alanfortune3092
    @alanfortune3092 Před rokem +1

    Mike and the Mad Dog are hilarious!

  • @MLthegreat
    @MLthegreat Před rokem +1

    This needs to be a regular thing having Mike and Mad Dog on the show together

  • @user-di5ye5hr3b
    @user-di5ye5hr3b Před rokem +3

    You can be the greatest coach in the world. If you don't have a QB you will not win, if you get lucky you only win one. Not multiple. Bill needed Brady more.

  • @floworcrash
    @floworcrash Před rokem

    I miss listening to Mike and Dog on the way home. Peak radio.

  • @lenst-gelais
    @lenst-gelais Před rokem

    Most definitely one of the best first take ever with those 3😁👌

  • @Alr1ghtyThen
    @Alr1ghtyThen Před rokem +11

    Brady on this year's 9ers team could have definitely got a cihp. 8 chips is insane

    • @JustinStrife
      @JustinStrife Před 7 měsíci +1

      @herpes69 Belichick has won nothing as a head coach, without Brady. We have 10 seasons of evidence of this.

    • @JustinStrife
      @JustinStrife Před 7 měsíci +1

      @herpes69 Not even close to reality. May I bring up Patrick Mahomes taking over Alex Smith's job? Or Purdy with the 49ers? You have no idea what you are talking about.
      When a coach's job is on the line, he is going to go with the QB that's winning. Try again. But with brains this time.

  • @diceflawless9115
    @diceflawless9115 Před rokem +3

    Not mention. Patty is a very mobile QB. He's a lot tougher on his body than Brady or Manning ever was. I don't see him holding up long enough to get to more than 4 Superbowls tops

  • @GD-ib4tn
    @GD-ib4tn Před rokem +3

    As a patriots fan, he’s not wrong at all. Belichick has yet to win a playoff game post Brady

    • @shawnsanders9450
      @shawnsanders9450 Před rokem +1

      Technically Bill only has 1 playoff win without Brady in like a Decade of being a head coach without Brady. Brady on the other hand won 5 playoff games and a Superbowl MVP in his mid 40's. Done deal if you ask me.

  • @rajh3867
    @rajh3867 Před rokem +10

    There is no debate. Brady = Greatness. 🐐

  • @philiptan5814
    @philiptan5814 Před rokem +2

    i love the luck when it comes to atlanta and seattle, but what about luck when it comes to the bs drop by welker and crazy catch by tyree...

  • @opticscolossalandepicvideo4879

    Steven is a genius. Add billy Simmons and you have a sick show

  • @austinshannon4197
    @austinshannon4197 Před rokem

    That’s pretty obvious. I agree.

  • @Lippett
    @Lippett Před 7 měsíci

    Off the rails in no time. Love it.

  • @glenncabacungan9269
    @glenncabacungan9269 Před rokem +2

    It’s like saying Phil Jackson needed Jordan, Shaq and Kobe more than Jordan, Shaq and Kobe needed him.

  • @theriddler8695
    @theriddler8695 Před rokem

    Why are these clipped!! SHOW the entire thing!!! I watched a few on here and the all are sliced. And..... Mike we have Dennis in Dumont on the phone!

  • @motherlodebassin5369
    @motherlodebassin5369 Před rokem +2

    Mike is awesome

  • @salvatoresgobbo3307
    @salvatoresgobbo3307 Před 9 měsíci +2

    Its 75 brady 25 coach no knock on bill but it's the qb

  • @michaellarrick8881
    @michaellarrick8881 Před rokem +3

    “They replace everybody”. Amen to that. The world keeps spinning everyday. The topics of today become the faded away thoughts of tomorrow

  • @seanmurphy1218
    @seanmurphy1218 Před rokem +4

    Francesa has always hated Belichick and Brady.

    • @joeruiz4010
      @joeruiz4010 Před 7 měsíci

      Yup. He's a fraud. He judges Brady with the attitude of playing double-dutch on both sides of Double-Standards.

  • @atlien1988
    @atlien1988 Před rokem +2

    This is such a silly argument/topic. It takes an entire team to win a championship. Players execute, but coaches prepare the team in the off-season & throughout season while also managing situations from game to game & play to play.
    Y’all don’t have to minimize someone to build another person up. This should be about celebrating Brady’s career; not telling the world that he’s more important than Bill.

  • @malcolmreed-littlejohn8984

    Tom Brady is the goat 🐐

    • @Alex-sf9bo
      @Alex-sf9bo Před rokem

      Doug Pederson is better than belichick

    • @polpol1005
      @polpol1005 Před rokem +1

      Would not call Tom the 🐐, but tip of the cap to him on a very fortunate career.

  • @Tomyohann
    @Tomyohann Před rokem

    Of course ESPN have to put them against each other. Sorry to say this, but the Bucs defense would be on a different level if Bill was coaching there. They have different roles on a team, and they’re both the greatest at their roles.

  • @stephenannese8228
    @stephenannese8228 Před rokem

    Francesca looks like a character from South-Park..!?

  • @dayman3626
    @dayman3626 Před rokem +2

    Jesus Christ he's the unquestionable goat, give this man his flowers but can we stop with this bs narrative? tom doesn't become tom without the time and effort bill put into him when he got drafted and how seamlessly he let him take the reigns.
    literally everybody let tom drop six rounds for a reason his measurables besides his height were terrible for a NFL QB even then.
    bill took a chance on him and his intangibles in 01 when he let him start over bledsoe and created the perfect environment for him to grow . Tom embodied everything about the patriot way and became it's model which bill needed to establish his culture and get the players who came after to buy in, they needed each other equally.

  • @leyahsdad
    @leyahsdad Před rokem

    This is highly debatable

  • @justinherbert9146
    @justinherbert9146 Před rokem

    They should give them their own show on ESPN - Mike and the Mad Dog - they are far superior to most of their talking heads

  • @BillyBob-ti2fz
    @BillyBob-ti2fz Před rokem +1

    Like Asente Samuel said Bill is is an ordinary coach without Brady and bill has a losing record without Brady for a reason

    • @MandeepSingh-ki6ve
      @MandeepSingh-ki6ve Před rokem

      Agreed. Belichek has not been able to win 1 playoff Game without Brady. The one time he got into the playoffs, patriots got blown off the field.

  • @Annie_Kimono
    @Annie_Kimono Před rokem

    I’m with Mad Dog. The rules are the rules no matter the stakes of the game. It’s just part of the game, period.

  • @michaelb7131
    @michaelb7131 Před rokem +1

    Mike is right. Belichicks record without Brady is average

  • @vl583
    @vl583 Před rokem

    3:45 Tua has entered the chat.

  • @AD-qt8rn
    @AD-qt8rn Před rokem

    That was great!👍💫

  • @Kobeoverall_Hood
    @Kobeoverall_Hood Před rokem

    Duh all coaches need players. Look at pop he has done anything since who ( exactly )…. And even If you get the players they have to want to be there and not get hurt. & then the GM need to put more around that players to he success.

  • @Hey-gt4gs
    @Hey-gt4gs Před rokem +6

    Why can't we all agree that they both needed each other!!! Brady the offense Bill the defense! Period! I hate this topic.

    • @Steelfan-oe7ok
      @Steelfan-oe7ok Před rokem +1

      I agree i think they both became who they are because of each other.

    • @joemagarac405
      @joemagarac405 Před rokem

      Because Belichick had a substantial career as a HC before Brady (and after) but Brady won a Super Bowl his first year starting and never looked back.

    • @shawnsanders9450
      @shawnsanders9450 Před rokem +1

      @@joemagarac405 what are you talking about substantial? Bill has won 1 playoff game in more than 10 seasons without Brady. That's a big enough sample size to answer the question.

  • @lhamarurbina9549
    @lhamarurbina9549 Před rokem

    So they just going to ignore Bart Starr and Vince Lombardi?

  • @Hosk17
    @Hosk17 Před rokem +1

    the debate is over? lol

  • @robertdudley3398
    @robertdudley3398 Před rokem

    Bob & Bill are going back to Steve Grogan, John Hannah, Stanley' Morgan years N.E.

  • @wcbgcpetere1
    @wcbgcpetere1 Před rokem

    Totally ignore the question...

  • @l.a.9056
    @l.a.9056 Před rokem +1

    Neither would be the GOAT coach or player/QB without the other. Bill was one of the best defensive coordinators of all time with those great 80s Giants teams, but as a head coach, he didn’t win until he got Brady. Brady struck gold the first season with Tampa, but the next two, you could tell he missed the structure and discipline of a Belichick coached team.

  • @johnnyboy1237
    @johnnyboy1237 Před rokem

    Brady and Belichick are both great and the two together is why the pats went to 9 super bowls

  • @Brodieiamnot
    @Brodieiamnot Před rokem +3

    Who gave Brady his shot? Okay thank you.

  • @brownsfan-gg7gy
    @brownsfan-gg7gy Před rokem

    Why does it always end up this conversation over Brady and them because we both know they both where equal winning championship

  • @MrJblazini
    @MrJblazini Před rokem +3

    He won a couple he could have lost....he also lost a couple he could have won .

    • @shawnsanders9450
      @shawnsanders9450 Před rokem

      Big time. His defense gets 1 and I mean just ONE stop vs the Eagles he wins that one. All kinds of stuff happened vs the Giants both times just on the last Giants drive both times that could have won those.

  • @crhend512
    @crhend512 Před rokem

    Brown & Graham.

  • @ploppill34
    @ploppill34 Před rokem

    There is no debate it’s pretty glaringly obvious who won

  • @Elzun
    @Elzun Před rokem

    Why does he sound like Sid from ice age

  • @domino2009ful
    @domino2009ful Před rokem

    Nobody can talk about sports better than New Yorkers….Aka Mike, Doggie, and Stephen A

  • @caddy7272
    @caddy7272 Před rokem

    The best part of this video is the statement, "a flag decides who goes". And yes that last flag was legit, obviously. False flags early in the game tho matter too.

  • @Thoth19
    @Thoth19 Před rokem +1

    FACTS: BILL is a LOSING % coach without TB12!!!
    LOSING coach BEFORE...and AFTER🔥

  • @Love.hammer999
    @Love.hammer999 Před rokem +1

    Bill and Tom are more successful than all everyone on this show

  • @boston1283
    @boston1283 Před rokem +12

    Yeah yeah Brady also kick three field goals to win 3 for us or he also played defense against rams when we won 13-3 forever a patriot but come on we had top 10 defense every year

    • @ash1234073
      @ash1234073 Před rokem +3

      what have you done in the 3 years since Brady=nothing lol..😂😂😂

    • @rickgrimes5435
      @rickgrimes5435 Před rokem +1

      Every year you had a top ten defence there where 9 other teams that had a top ten defence so what's your point

    • @lloydbonafide3398
      @lloydbonafide3398 Před rokem +1

      He had to put the kicker in the position to even make that kick tho. Its a team sport for sure but a qb is like 60% of the success because they can set up special teams

    • @eugenerollins985
      @eugenerollins985 Před rokem

      We should've beat yall

    • @dannyhantx
      @dannyhantx Před rokem +4

      You also had a top 10 defense the past 3 years and have 0 playoff wins. Brady carried Belichick

  • @etom2511
    @etom2511 Před rokem

    I played football in middle school

  • @blackjesus2510
    @blackjesus2510 Před rokem

    They both needed each other. Brady won his last chip with a stacked team.

  • @Mike-er9td
    @Mike-er9td Před rokem

    They forget the coach teaches the players the knowledge. Without bill knowledge Brady probably wouldn't have progressed the way he did

  • @capcomfan82
    @capcomfan82 Před rokem

    Id love if mike was a fixture on this show but the over talking might get out of hand lol

  • @Dashmadagg23
    @Dashmadagg23 Před rokem

    I mean who won a ring without the other🤔

  • @dkny9954
    @dkny9954 Před rokem

    End was funny AF, you right it was a stupid book

  • @jalves6494
    @jalves6494 Před rokem +5

    Let’s look at the current state of the Patriots, that pretty much sums it up

    • @sirhoopalot1125
      @sirhoopalot1125 Před rokem +3

      Brady’s last throw as a Pat was a int btw

    • @JoseRodrigues016
      @JoseRodrigues016 Před rokem +1

      @@sirhoopalot1125 Brady last throw the following year was in the super bowl that he won

    • @andrewwilliams3389
      @andrewwilliams3389 Před rokem +1

      @@sirhoopalot1125 Ok hater. What does that even mean? When great players retire we don’t even remember their bad memories we only remember how great they were but u wanna hate for what? Brady is the goat & he was always more responsible for the winning & anybody who says otherwise is because of their feelings🤷‍♂️ cuz the facts say he is.

  • @Talisman21
    @Talisman21 Před rokem +1

    Bros gonna unretire again lmao

  • @dukedematteo1995
    @dukedematteo1995 Před rokem

    I agree Brady is the best overall QB ever.
    I agree with Mike that Manning was the best regulat season QB and Montana the best postseason/Superbowl QB.
    Brady's insane longevity and 7 rings make him the best overall.
    The way I see it. The Pats had at least 3, maybe 4, championship teams that were defensive lead. The 01,03,04 teams especially were defensive lead.
    The 2007 and 2011 teams that lost to the Giants were offensive lead.
    The 2014 Pats and 2016 Pats were offensive lead. One was a miracle that Seattle just gave away. The other was the greatest comeback ever that really cemented Bradys legacy.
    The one where they beat the Rams in a low scoring game might also be categorized as defensive lead.
    And the Tampa win was offensive lead but they also had an incredible D as well. That team was stacked with talent.

    • @davis2k1234
      @davis2k1234 Před rokem +1

      The early years thing is a complete Brady hater myth he lead the NFL in TDs in 2002 with a bad offense and threw for 354 yds 3 TDs in 2003 super bowl he was arguably the best QB in the nfl in 2003-2004 when they won

    • @dukedematteo1995
      @dukedematteo1995 Před rokem

      @davis2k1234 Overall the Pats in the early aughties were defensive lead. I'm not cherry picking particular games and I'm not saying Brady was some Dilfer like QB back then either.

    • @davis2k1234
      @davis2k1234 Před rokem

      @@dukedematteo1995 Brady was the best QB in the league w a bad offense in those seasons though so kinda weird not give him credit there’s a whole CZcams video you should watch dispels this Brady hater myth the team did have a great defense but when you have no weapons on offense would hope defense would be legit plus early 2000s was def diff era

  • @tigerhoods7927
    @tigerhoods7927 Před rokem

    Lol I wonder how many times we gonna hear this topic again

  • @johnnymack60
    @johnnymack60 Před rokem

    He's the greatest no argument, I like Mahomes and you never know he could already be at 2 very soon.

  • @tedfio1tedfio1
    @tedfio1tedfio1 Před 10 měsíci

    Today is Flag Football making it easier for Mahomes!

  • @johnnyfxb
    @johnnyfxb Před rokem

    Brady and Bill broke the "barrier"!! Neither would've won 6 w/o each other and in New England they BOTH went to 9!!

    • @shawnsanders9450
      @shawnsanders9450 Před rokem

      Without each other is not the question. Its who needed the other MORE. That question has been answered. There is about 10 seasons that Bill has been a head coach Without Brady. He has 1 playoff win in a decade plus Without Brady. Brady on the other hand has 5 playoff wins and a Superbowl MVP win without Belichick IN HIS MID 40's!!!!!!!!! Case closed. Of course they needed each other. That's not the question.

  • @JohnSmith-nm4zd
    @JohnSmith-nm4zd Před rokem

    Otto Graham, Bart Starr, Johnny Unitas and Terry Bradshaw names get lost in history

  • @travismcadams
    @travismcadams Před rokem +1

    The officiating ruined the AFC championship game and everyone knows it.

  • @stonergirls9806
    @stonergirls9806 Před rokem +1

    Bill needed Brady Period & they both owe 3 chips to Adam Vinatieri

  • @joeclayton2121
    @joeclayton2121 Před rokem

    he would have won #8 if he joined the 49ers, they have a great team

  • @strategyking3999
    @strategyking3999 Před rokem +3

    Brady proved that he was the key as he won another SuperBowl first without Belichick. Belichick is the greatest NFL head coach but Brady was the key and Brady is the GOAT

    • @andrewwilliams3389
      @andrewwilliams3389 Před rokem +2

      That’s right!!🐐 I’m glad u said this because these are the facts. Anybody who says otherwise is dealing with their feelings because they don’t like Tom Brady but I deal with facts not feelings🤷‍♂️

    • @Paul-vf2wl
      @Paul-vf2wl Před rokem

      He signed on to a completely stacked team and then basically got a default win when KC had no Oline for the Super Bowl. Tom absolutely gets credit for that win but it didn't prove much of anything.

    • @polpol1005
      @polpol1005 Před rokem

      nah Bucs were a superteam that season

    • @davis2k1234
      @davis2k1234 Před rokem

      7-9 team is a super team 😂 was all Brady just like with the Patriots when he took over for a 5-11 team

    • @Paul-vf2wl
      @Paul-vf2wl Před rokem

      @@davis2k1234 Is this your first year watching football? They were a super team without a QB.

  • @shazanali692
    @shazanali692 Před rokem +1

    If Antonio brown had not gone bat shixt crazy he Brady would have had 8 superbowls right now

  • @anthonyhernandez2111
    @anthonyhernandez2111 Před rokem

    as great as mahomes is i think he will end up with like 3 or 4 rings, 7 appearances. but its WAYY too hard to reach Brady level. not to mention herbert, burrow, allen are all going to be part of mahomes career next 10 years.
    Burrow will win one or two,
    Allen one
    Herbert Maybe one

  • @conrailhbgline
    @conrailhbgline Před rokem +6

    Beginning from Brady's career, he needed Belichick more. At the end of their time together, Belichick needed Brady more.

    • @davis2k1234
      @davis2k1234 Před rokem +10

      Brady lead the league in TDs in 2002 with a garbage offense he carried bellicheck from day one bellicheck just a good defense coordinator mediocre coach

  • @ashtonchapman2613
    @ashtonchapman2613 Před rokem

    There was harm bc Mahomes and Chiefs were losing players left and right.

  • @raekwonjohnson2760
    @raekwonjohnson2760 Před rokem

    This question so stupid they needed each other I’m glad he retired so I don’t have to hear this no more