Jordan Peterson: Naive MEN get b.u.r.n.e.d.
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These clips come from a John Anderson video filmed in Australia.
"You trust people, because you are COURAGEOUS, that's why".
That completely sank my battleship.
But still, you better be carefull and don't trust all the way. Like he said, people are snakes (because they are from the snake).
Being jaded isn't a virtue. If you are not naive and trust someone, you are courageous.
The irony here is just perfect.
@shitstormit's naive to just trust someone just to trust them, to be aware that people can cause harm, and to use your intelligence to select who or what to trust knowing that you can be burned is courageous, and courage is a virtue. Also, using your intelligence is virtuous, but using your intelligence wisely is even more virtuous, and when you apply the courage mentioned from before you are now almost god like.
and you don't have to learn by getting burned to be wiser……………………………………………...you can learn from the mistakes of others
I used to be naive and kind as a kid. that, of course, eventually led me to being narcissistic, nihilistic and cynical,
i was unemployed, an addict and did some horrible stuff to the people who loved me. I cried often because I felt sorry for myself.
1 year ago I found petersons lectures, watched hundreds of hours of them, and today I got a job i actually enjoy, friends that appreciates me. I help other addicts staying sober.
I cry when I listen to this, but not for the same reasons I used to. It's tears of gratitude. this man saved my life and who knows how big the ripple-effect will be a few years from now.
thank you JBP.
Thanks for sharing
Actually JP didn't save your life. He just argued with you, he said to you. You know the door Johan, I can show you door, I can tell you about the door, I can exclaim that walking through the door is good, but it was you who learned how to walk through the door. I definitely appreciate and understand your statement, but it is important to distinguish that you made choices and decided to be responsible. Also JP might say that you started this path and action around lets say 24 or 25 years old. Often this is the pattern for many men due to how we interact with society and our physiology.
I hope what I said is encouraging and helpful and not dismissive, because I too greatly share that you are appreciate of JP. His words are so affirming because he chooses carefully to say things that do not undervalue you, or undermine you. He looks out towards the individual and asks them what has happened and why it has happened. Then he advises them a way to move forward in whatever quagmire they are in, take individual responsibility and work towards truth.
Most people will never be free from the things you are now free from sir
yes my too. from real bad things, he's who real save me from shit!
Good luck friend
This man is trying to save the world, I would definitely support his agenda
Me and him both
Remember: you cannot save the world. Only Christ can.
Those who try to save the world create hell.
@@MWcrazyhorse not entirely true. Read 12 rules for life and live it. You will bring Christ into your surroundings by proxy. So Christ is doing the saving, but you can help.
@@DrengrMike Peterson does not even accept Christ. He sais he is a fictional character. Peterson is a televangelist. I know they are persuasive people, but we have had many of them before you knew what that meant. They sound good for about a year then the spell is over. Watch.
Michael Keenan
Why do you think Peterson's message has anything to do with Christianity?
He arbitrarily over analyzes alleged sub-plots in everything from religious passages to Disney films.
He is a great story teller though.
It's like driving cars. Naїve driver drives carelessly due to his lack of understanding of possible consequences. Cynical driver is a former naїve driver who experienced car crash and afraid to drive again due to gained understanding of how fragile his life is, as well as lives of others and how unreliable that tin can he was driving. Mature driver is the one who is able to overcome his fears while fully realizing possible consequences and risks and drives mindfully and carefully.
Well I think it's a constant cycle.. even having reached that mature stage you can always go back to naivety. As soon as the bad memories fade we fall back into the same trap.. unless it was a really intense experience.
You're right I driven 3 millions miles mostly 18 wheelers I'm at the I can tell all driving failures.
A Naïve driver would be someone who drives without understanding that people sometimes don’t follow the law and still drive like jackasses, thus putting him in dangerous situations because he thinks people are always good. Being reckless is not being naïve, being reckless is just being reckless.
People hate on this guy because truth hurts. And it's a hard pill to swallow.
Stourport tropics This guy sells “unearned [white] privilege” and your dopey ass is buying all of it. I hate him because he is playing rope-a-dope with decent young white guys who would otherwise organize to throw out liberalism including people of color in masse.
Oh yeah!
I think he's the best barometer of whether or not someone is truly willing to listen. You don't have to like him, but to find him dangerous or harmful says more about you than it does about him. Karl Nerger above is a good example of this.
@@karlnerger2449 You need to listen again. He literally could not sell anything more opposite than "unearned". His ENTIRE deal is "The world is complicated and dangerous. Master yourself. Become the best person you can be, and then go forth and help the world because it's full of malevolence and bitterness that you can help overcome". He has the same view as SJW's except he advocates honesty with yourself first, and self improvement first. Do those things and the things you will help the world with will be much more honest and helpful.
This is a difficult time for men and women who try to steer a straight course. Take what he says that you see is correct and disregard the rest. My experience is that most of what he says it true and in any case it is well meant.
He’s right! Never apologize if what you’ve said is right. Wait them out.
Al Evan who defines what’s right?
@@SuperReyand , Psalms 119: 160.
@@senatorjosephmccarthy2720 so, church decides?...
@@SuperReyand Psalms is not a church. Psalms is a book of songs from the bible. The bible is the word of God. God has ultimate authority to decide what is right, not man. A man without God can do almost nothing right. I have God and still have trouble. Deciding what is right is a fraction of the journey. Living out what is right is the hard part.
@@michaelbush1374 "God". you talk here of christianity. It is not only concept of God, so don't force it. Thank you.
It's insane how much admiration I feel for this man.
Me too
It’s insane how much I agree with u!
The new prophet. So to speak "13 rules for life "
No its not. Its perfectly normal. The man's a god send !
I love this man as well! He is of so much value for all of us!
Most amazing thing is how he said all this without moving his mouth even once.
#TheShiningFTW
Hi David, I've seen your posts on You tube quite often, so decided to look at your playlists to jot my memory of the videos that I've seen you commenting on ,when I saw your playlists first thing I thought was 'Your fucking mad, due to your wallpaper on your front page and the strange videos on your playlists that I have no idea what the fuck they're even about....nah just kidding man,to be truthful the reason I remember your name from you tube is because your comments are probably some of THE MOST INTELLIGENT COMMENTS I've ever seen on you tube so far. Cheers David.
the man who never smiles...😊 but his a genius, love how he stop talking and get thinking to get the full idea, doesn't matter who is in front. !!!
top kek
I figured he didn't blink either, but maybe he blinked every time I did.
It's telepathy.
This man speaks more truth than some pastors that I've heard of. This man deserves honorable citation and recognition, like the nobel prize or something.
That's not saying much, since all most pastors do is lie. Peterson deserves far more credit than comparing him to some of the biggest liars on the planet.
@@le_th_ .... That's an interesting statement, one not entirely agreeable, at least about the pastors anyway. Observation & experience has shone quite the opposite. Many (certainly not all) pastors may hold back sharing the full truth because of its ugly bits, because people simply can't handle it. Not because they are bad or evil people, no. Rather, it takes a lot of courage to deliver such things. So things are not always the way they may appear.
Consider these ancient words of wisdom: A wise and prudent man foresees danger (evil) coming and prepares for it: but the simple (minded) pass on and suffer the consequences.
From Proverbs 22:3 (modern language adaptation).
Best to you.
@@pkeggle4085 Your proverb is BS. True predators don't trigger your subconscious to send that icy cold child up your spine (to the base of your brain) UNTIL their internal switch flips and they go into predator mode. Otherwise, you'd know and run the other way.
But sure, you're religious so I don't expect you to believe me. You'd probably rather believe the proverb. lol
Oh, and lying by omission is still lying...but I'm sure you'll justify that with a proverb, too.
Go back to the Bible and let God speak on the matter.
Happened to me - I was naive. I almost didn’t recover.
Me too I got burned off so bad.it takes 20 years to recover from
@@hotpepper5037 That is Interesting how an event or human could make such a cruel impact. Could you tell me what happened?
I managed to recover because I stumbled across someone who picked that I had been in a relationship with someone with a narcissistic personality disorder. Given that gift of understanding, I roared back into my humanity.
@@hotpepper5037 you must be a very sensitive and humble heart
@Drakomus I stop been naive
Add Jordan Peterson to that list of great writers. History will show that his contribution to society was important and needed to save our culture.
Yo, JP is smart but he’s basically regurgitating Jung’s ideas. He’s one of the last Jungians. Go read some Jung books and you’ll see what I mean. HE is brilliant. Jordan is brilliant at adapting Jung’s philosophies and applying them to the 21st century.
Agree 100%. In the long run Jordan Peterson will be remembered as an important voice in history.
@@ethansawtelle5152 indeed. He is explaining Jung's ideas in layman's terms so that majority of us can understand them fully.
He's one of the greatest minds of our time.
@@richardminnick6797 Agreed. It's nice to see him back and doing better. My prayers for him and his family.
This hits so close to home. He basically nailed it.
Time to clean my room. World. You're next.
@lolcano234 kinda. It was pretty bad, considering it will be the first time it has ever been attempted... Lol
NinjaOnANinja what about now? Your whole house should be cleaned by now lol
@@jarrettthomas4865 duuude, i found out my room actually has a floor! I can actually walk around in here now!
How about you all?
You guys have rooms..???
@lolcano234 I cleaned my room. But its dirty again.
Naive PEOPLE get burned, for sure. But the answer to that isn't that you grow the courage to trust! It's that you learn that trust is accumulated slowly, you start small and then you build relationships with the expectation of mutually positive treatment. If someone shows you over a period of time that they are dependable and honest, with good intentions, then you place more trust in them progressively. If they show they lack dependability, are dishonest, or otherwise have bad intentions, you place less trust in them. Increasing trust is slow. But negative interactions have an oversized effect. They destroy trust quickly. THAT is what a mature outlook on trust is. It is earned.
Yours and JP's point easily coexist. JP was rebutting the attitude of people that give up ever trusting anyone ever. They shut themselves out completely. You gave a great outline on how to accomplish what Jordan was speaking about generally.
He says naive people not men. This applies to both sexes.
WAAAAAH!
I took something from it, as a woman.
but we all know women initiate 80% of divorces.
Mystery Science Gaming 3000 Sounds terrible. Maybe you shouldn't marry then if divorce is such a concern.
@@mykhailawojownik7336 divorce should be a concern to any man thinking about marrying an American woman .
Jordon is like the dad I never had. Thank you for your work Mr. Peterson.
I'm afraid lying is so supported today that being truthful is seen as a weakness to be avoided. Reinforcement of virtue could come from things like reading classic psychology, which I do as an lit guy- but socialization requires more than a debate about morals, because we live in a place that debases morals on the regular.
I think part of the far lefts attachment to "gender identity" is to force the public into a complicit lie. I ofc recognize some people have some sexual dysphoria disorder or whatever you call it where they don't associate with their own body, and those folks shouldn't be abused for it. However that isn't the point. Social pressure and laws are trying to force people into lying about their perception of reality, and if not resisted i suspect that has long term consequences of breaking down peoples ability to tell the truth.
When truthfulness is treated as taboo it is exactly when people lay the groundwork for deceit and naivety. No good comes from that.
To a certain extent I disagree. I think some people do see truth as a weakness to avoided, but most see it for what it is, the harder choice. Anecdotally, telling the truth upfront and in a good manner garners alot of respect. The outcome may not always be what I want, but it's still better because the truth has been said. I do think most of society has habitually embraced lying, but those people are followers. I'm still optimistic though because I believe when one person acts righteous, on a subconscious level other people feel that permission has been granted to act righteous. The etymology of righteous is associated with telling the truth and leadership. So perhaps the social dynamics of truth tellers has always been the same.
Thank the Lefty Libtards, feminism and the Socialist Democrat party for that.
@@TechnoWaffol I still have work to do on my own hypocrisy. I see two avenues to truth. This I agree: don't be shy in who you are. You should get more respect that way, if not oh well. People who accuse you being authentic, take up the challenge instead of walking away thinking "my truth is better." But not saying it. worked with a guy who just did 10 years and he had such dead pan demeanor, everyone was forced take heed. Some people just cut through the everyday crap and go deep. JP says in the mirror is a reflection of the system. I've rebeled quite a bit yet I talk sometimes like a dolt and act like a fool (part of my hypocrisy), so I catch myself to see if it's really me. If he said look at people instead, that's who affect me directly. I don't care how the (insert JPs word here)- sees me: Thats a costume you put on. I'm hit hardest by who is in front of me and wants to challenge me.
Thanks for replying, I never got so many likes; makes me want to step it up, but there are plenty of projects I need to concentrate on.
2:00 "Why don't you go out and do something about them (your institutions)". Because I haven't cleaned my room yet.
If you saw where something was missing and if that was provided would make a difference AND you were courageous enough to say you are committed to that ...your life actions would start to align with that. Even if it is something that you can not accomplish in your lifetime. The declaration comes and your room will get cleaned if that is in the way of making a difference.
I'll clean your room bud. Then you keep it clean. #nannylife
separate the wheat from the chaff my (guy?)
Well....if you cant even do the most basic of shit like clean your room then wtf you gona do about real prpblems? F*ck it up. Thats what.
Get it????
Start with your room, then your family, then your community, and so forth. Go do it!
I don't trust people who feel entitled to it; only people who have proven they deserve it.
Agree completely. Respect and trust must be earned. They can also be destroyed in a second...
Agree 100%!!
good perspective. only against i can think of is some people literally have nothing else, requiring extra courage from the self... but totally agreed. people too often understand you have to climb a mountain to enjoy the peak, then complain and attempt to avoid the climbing at too high a cost.
Neither trust must be based on values on both sides. My business partner can't screw me because if he does I can screw him. On both sides hard so we don't do it and can fully trust. This is the only way you could trust someone and even then you never trust someone with all your secrets.
@@tebybear6524 But that's trust through fear...
You learn to trust someone over time. Watch their behavior and pay attention to their motives.
Sorry my friend, but trust is given at the start of a relationship. We trust people not to kill or steal from us while we're walking down the street. Cynical and anxious people take time to give trust, and by then it's generally too late - others realise the standoffish and arrogant behavior that comes from having a delicate ego means that that person is not going to be an ally.
On the other hand, when you give trust you must be strong enough to take it away once someone has been proven untrustworthy. Hope for the best, prepare to dish out the worst. 🙏
@I like pancakes that sounds like a lack of confidence in your ability to judge people efficiently
I like pancakes facts and they can’t throw it in your face later
Michael Keenan not necessarily true
I like pancakes Not to be rude, but this is quite possibly the worst advice you could give someone. What great things will you accomplish alone? Try forming a scaleable business by yourself, living peacefully with a spouse etc. the basis of nearly all productive social interactions begin with trust. You sit your garbage curbside in the morning TRUSTING that the garbage man will do his job.
Love this guy
Dararumdadum you better lose yourself...
I love your mom
@@EdwardGFunk Mama Peterson is the bomb.
"What we learned was -- Even under terrible circumstances, there are ways of being more or less noble." -- Jordan Peterson
I love this guy. He sees the big picture. Small changes every day make huge changes in the world
What i understand is he break down all the thinks in day to day life.
The foundation of every good relationship is honesty and integrity.
The salient word there is "good" relationship...most relationships in people's lives are not "good" unfortunately.
low expectations and good manners helps a lot.
rizza mae ong Low expectations and good manners helps a lot? How does it help? Please explain.
@@roblovegreen
for low expectations (even well-read Warren Buffet keeps reiterating this) simply lower ur expectations when in a relationship.
Most of relationship problems stems from people's Romanticism.
it'll be very long if i explain it.
I'm a sucker for clarifying things.
i suggest u watch Alain de Botton's video on Romanticism.
that should clarify it.
it's only 15 to 20 minutes.
for good manners, i suggest u watch Esther Perel's video on Fighting Better.
She explains how most quarrels are about:
1) Power & Control
2) Closeness & Care
3) Respect & Recognition
Peter Drucker on Managing Oneself explains how manners help run an organization cohesively despite personality differences of all employees.
rizza mae ong I was expecting that you would likely not answer me but instead you overwhelmed me with fabulous information. Thanks. 🙏
What a priviledge! So grateful to be able to listen to this incredible man and those that make it possible. If you ever feel lost, disconnected or concerned about the future this man give you hope, truth, direction, logic and reason!!
Naively I kept coming back to an abusive women. Men should not hit women, but she hit me multiple times (I still held back). You can imagine what else went down if she’s the type to get too angry. No holds barred with this women. Currently I’m separated, and still I think of her everyday. And she still thinks it’s all my fault. So I may have been naive, but I also fell for one of the oldest tricks in the book. Your heart can trick you into thinking be loyal and keep fighting for the marriage. But at the end you’ll be so broken down that you might not recover. She’s doing fine, in the house, in our bed. The men usually have to pick up and start over. It’s a cruel world, not only bc of strife to survive, but you can’t trust people, even those you let into your heart.
Thanks for listening
Hey brother, how are you now?
Nobody should have to live with an abusive partner who refuses to change, man or woman. I'm sorry that this happened to you.
He totally nailed it, something I came to realize not long ago by myself, working in public service: The most basic currency of human society is not money, not sex, it is TRUST. No amount of laws or sanctions can replace it, those factors can just clarify what you are supposed to trust and keep trust about.
As someone (a female) who is over 60 and never had proper parenting as a child, I look to JP for parenting guidance for myself since I never got that from those who brought me into this world. Also, as a mother of two grown daughters, I try to gently impart his valuable perspective. Sons and daughters need two good parents and an extended family network of loving support.
I was 31, lost, a leftist without any direction, after having been an extremist Muslim I had become an atheist even anti-theist, no work, no love for money or anything, depressed,, my father was a very depressed man, an alcoholic, a functioning man though and that kind of rubbed on me. I was down the gutter.
Started listening to this man, today I am 35, lost weight, improved relationship with my father, helped him get out of alcohol addiction, I got a job then started own business, used the aggression never knew about that I had inside me to get what was mine and that is 'respect' as before I had become a doormat. Soon I am launching other projects too and getting ready to find a wife and have children.
This man, Jordan Peterson, and another mentor I came across in life have helped me turn the tide and you bloody better know brother that I am not giving up any time soon, value creation is on the way, the betterment of myself and then the community is on the way. Thank you Professor.
Awesome! Great for you!!
@@fredvanvogt59 Thankyou Sir
Without a moral compass that society is based on, there is no trust, only brutality. Welcome to Rome.
We hold each other accountable.. that's how it works. If you don't say anything when others act wrong you can't expect them to stop doing it.
Pax romana
@@hgzmatt people don't hold each other accountable they mearly reflect the current social perception. accountability is what justice is supposed to be about but accountability can be also detrimental to society. (accountability is bringing about consequences for actions) too much regulation (or accountability) limits the ability to have open discussion ( ex: facebook/youtube) it curtails the flow of ideas (wether they are moral or not , wether they are liked or not) and way way too much regulation literally brings about more tyranny and despotism.
Thanks for thinking and teaching us
"Without truth you don't have the adventure of you life."
What an important thinker this man is. Thanks universe!
Jordan you killed the SJW - Q&A. Thank you so much for brining your light and patience to Aus/world.
@Drakomus would you care to elaborate on said "lies"??
But how to fight black pill/ 3rd wave feminism?
At 7:30, he talks about going against “whatever the current low-resolution and resentful ideology happens to be.”
At 10:30, on social media mobs “Don’t apologize, because then no one can come to your defense.”
12:20, “Faith in the redeeming power of Truth.”
This guy is a master of RealTalk.
@Drakomus grow up.
Drakomus nobody ever claimed he was Jesus. And tell me specifically what he is lying about.
Drakomus -- Reductio Ad Christum? --
@Akakajevich JP is like Christ? Gee, in his interview with Camille Paglia (that you can see on youTUbe) JP claims he "is defenseless against crazy women" who call him "misogynist". Then he goes on to say the way he would handle this situation if it were a man is that he would beat him up. Then he says any “real man” would not respect any man who would not engage in fist-to -cuffs in such a situation. So that means he would not respect Jesus Christ or Gandhi and MLK. But he claims to be a Christian.yet it seems if he met Jesus Christ he wouldn't like him because Christ wouldn't measure up on JPs masculinity standard.
@Akakajevich i think you have the wrong person
This is my break up therapy. I recently broke up with someone who I thought was soulmate and knew for very long. I had my own share of faults where I thought ok this is the end of the relationship but it continued then, and then one day out of the blue when things were great and just before getting married, I was put into the "spare tyre" zone aka the BREAK. I was kept on leash for a few months before being dumped for someone else (of a higher social status). It is the most hurtful time but this talk has helped analyse myself and how to pursue my future relationships.
Just because it ended it doesnt invalidate what you sensed..that they were a soulmate. It just was not for the reason you thought. We can have multiple soulmates including friends and some are supposed to teach you about yourself. And theyre like a mirror to show you parts of yourself that need to be healed. That if you do heal, it raises you to a higher level
I'm sorry for what happened to you.
to be rejected is so painful.
try reading Dr David Buss' books on Mating.
her choosing someone with a higher social status is primal.
as the classics say, Polemos Pater Panton.
Life is competition.
u just need to adapt.
Also, watch Alain de Botton's CZcams vid about Romanticism.
teaches u to have low expectations in relationships.
made me reconcile romantic love with reality.
May life be kind to you sir.
@@rizzamaeong Thanks for your kind reply. Definitely quite a big lesson to learn. It has happened to me for the second time. And, I have learnt it the hard way! Don't know how people throw 8 years down the ditch like that!
I had zero expectations bar things being respectful, and they weren't.
@@9188jenni Not invalidating it but one expects your soulmate to be a bit more honest and mindful rather than being selfish? But then again expectation is root to all problems. But I do agree to raising me into a higher level. Never would have thought I would have this emotional and mental strength ever!
@@rizzamaeong Hope life is kind to you too btw!
This helped me make a lot of positive mental connections. Thank you.
I am at second 29, and this is the most important video I have ever heard. Now I am 47. Wish I heard this when I was 17. 30 years too late. I recovered, but the price was really high.
"You trust people, because you are COURAGEOUS, that's why"
One of the things I admire about this individual is how he always improvises when giving his talks or lectures, dancing with one foot in order and the other in chaos. Beautiful to witness
This is so relevant to what's happening in South Africa at the moment.
4:25 This rings a bell for me , I am really glad that someone else thinks similar to me in this aspect, what I found very useful in life is in order to avoid judging people you must communicate not with them but with the information they transfer to you and judge every piece of information accordingly, independently of what the source of the information was, just as if the information you received was left to you by an anonymous person on the wall of public toilet...
Every person in a sense is a random set of random pieces of information, it is very unlikely that every single piece of it is rubbish.
My ex wife made me write an essay on what is Love and i wrote "showing you who i am is all i have in as showing you all of me" she said No that's not right , now JP has confirmed that i was right..
You should of told her to go fuck herself. The mere fact that she "made" you shows how much of a loone and how NAIVE you are.
I love this - I’ve thought bringing up a more integrated view of things in certain contexts, and yet the alternative is just not having that conversation.
Dr Peterson is a wind of truth and clarity seldom seen or heard. Thanks for your efforts
Trust is like an ice cube.
When it melts, it’s gone for ever
we are damned if we do and damned if we dont
i recall a quote that says that bravery is a quality of those who are not afraid of intensity
You can feel the fear and act in spite of fear. Bravery isn't lack of fear, yes it's a welcoming of the danger the world will always present.
Enjoying and welcoming the intensity of the challenge puts you on the other side of the fence from cowardice. And we all have those dual potentials, being the brave and being the coward. The coward preserves himself, but the brave one thrives and he sleeps better at night knowing who he truly is.
"Feel the fear and do it anyway!" - Susan Jeffers
"Bravery is not the absence of fear, but action in the face of fear."
"Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the assessment that something else is more important than fear."
Those dirty deeks want to be like kings at our expense. They belong on the street. Alone
j freed Bull. No one person can stand against exploitation of stinking billionaires. Cowardly men beat up on women instead of fighting the billionaires. Creeps. Nothing new.
OMG This was EXACTLY what I needed to hear right at this damn moment! DAMN!
Can I just say I love listening to Jordan Peterson......first time I heard I went through a ton of videos
My best regards and thanks to Mr. Peterson. His lectures helped me out in a difficult situation.
Holy shit, these are some brilliant ideas
I didn't just "loose" a potential mate in that environment, I also lost my mind and mindset to get going in career path, and make vital and viable connections there. I probably didn't set my life like this on purpose I got kinda washed into the being outsided from what's really important in Life, a career, a big paycheck to not have to worry too much, and colleagues to be able to move things and not being alone
wow....yeah
This guy is an absolute positive thinker. He makes a person accountable for their thoughts and actions. Would one be happy fo 30 seconds instead on being miserable for 30 minutes. I worked as a carer in the community for the best part of 8 years of my life and by the end i felt more cynical with my lot. But then i questioned what it meant to be called a carer "it means to care" and then i changed back to how i used to be. I did something that other people depended on me to do. I realinged my thinking. I used to have bad hours and good hours during the course of 16 hours. I still enjoyed what i did but man did i have to fight my cynicism towards the end when i gave up the job. As he says at the 8:30 lose faith in ourselves. life is brutal but to lose faith it is cowardice. I now care for my elderly mother and you know what? she has given me more purpose in life than i could ever imagine.
yes, a LOT of comments are so negative, like "Lol this man just explained why I'll be alone for the rest of my life." That's not his point rather, he gives us the strength to take initiative and improve ourselves in becoming stronger humans.
This man has emboldened my spirit I feel bad if I fail to behave honestly. I sincerely love Jordan Peterson I've known him since about September of 2019 and it feels as if I've known him all my life. I've done so much introspection with his words as my guide. I know he influenced and will continue to influence many and his legacy will live for a great period of time/ forever
Well Done Dr Peterson, I am in agreement with ALL you say.
Listen to this everyday
Holy Crap.
If you don't speak and live with truth, then whose life are you living. Our life is an adventure that is the revealing, establishing and sharing of who we are. We only have one go at it.
There are comments that say JPB's rule is simple and trite and does not account for the complexity of life and the world. I counter that because of the immense complexity of numerous vectors messing with each other, to distill things down to axioms/principles is powerful. It is our game, journey, quest to express them as powerfully we can in the current situation.
I consider his talks are filled with hope, excitement, and steel. Cheers.
Yes it's just like approaching new people with hope and friendship even though you have been disappointed so many times.
Good to repost these tidbits. This is Jordan at his best.
Simon said the same thing on Impact Theory. Being open and honest with others means you're courageous. That's where the courage is. Because when you trust, you're open/vulnerable. It takes guts to do that.
You'll still get punished if the truth is something that's unacceptable to them. I've denied lying for over 10 years and it got me into trouble now and then.
We all know what happens to people that openly diasagree with the popular opinion.
Sometimes nothing gets better for anyone by having the truth be known. Not long-term, not short-term.
@@davecullins1606 i used to agree however recently ive decided against that philosophy and as JP says "let go of the outcome" and just tell the truth regardless and while it might not improve your "situation" youre quality of life will improve after even 1 day
Just how i feel 🤷♂️
@@dc9482 That's only if you lie often. If it's something that happens once every few months, it's not something that's going to have a major impact on your life.
@@davecullins1606 you dont think it carries a taint and constant pressures and strain that bleed into your relationship and whether its 1 or 100 a lie into the eyes of someone who trusts you blindly takes its toll on your psyche even if its only just the knowing you decieved somebody who deserves better than to be decieved? Someone you married or had kids with? No judgement ever. Ive been down them paths im not trying to convert you into an overtly honest man im just looking for answers
I'm totally passionnate about his words, voice also.
Sobering and priceless thoughts, all bundled into our being. I had not quite thought this way before. On my way to buying another book by Dostoevsky. My gratitude to Dr. Peterson.
Truly well spoken. Inspiring. Especially the courageous trust part.
That is a very good speech! The title is just not getting close to it.
I hate it when people mis-title things for a the views. JP shows how courageous/brave it is to trust someone and the title is misleading.
I make a concerted effort to trust the other party 95% of the time, with a HUGE 5% of "hmmm 🧐🤔"--just enough to keep me on my toes. And to keep me from investing my entire being on that person/entity by keeping myself busy and entertained by all the other important things in my life.
And always keep my Third Eye eye wide open to watch out for discrepancies and hypocritical actions/words which then may not merit my trust in them eventually.
A HUUUUUUUUUGE 5%
Love this guy's articulated of the truth and preservation.
This makes sense. Period. I had a hard time deciphering how and why i should trust others.
Trust is a risk, but you have to be open to that risk. Know what it comes with.
Courage! The golden elixir.
Thank you for sharing your expertise yet again Dr Peterson. I especially, as I'm told anyway by some of my peers, find myself either dealing with wishful naivety or a non-trusting why-bother-policy (excuse me please if I'm grammatically incorrect.) I admire your wisdom and your story. Your dedication to your life and growth in your education and expertise in your work certainly shows in the passion in how you speak and teach. I am a subscriber and often watch and listen to your lectures on various subjects and arguements. I'm always hoping to try and improve myself in any way that I can. I certainly need to in every way I can. So, thank you again for your very inspiring and informative lessons for life sir. Please do keep them coming. Keep up the good work; I know you work hark hard. Bless you and your family. 🙏
Sincerely
Matthew Miller
You really want to push this onto everybody don't you..
I thought about killing myself. But now I know I'm strong enough to trust and that I'll be fine as long I set myself up to be ready to be left. Never be so committed that you can't live without them.
Loveable words to live by👍
Powerful words!!! Took a ton oof good nuggets from this video.
This man is a blessing to the world.
I learned to give the benefit of the doubt, you get burned sometimes...just learn to pick out the rotten apples.
Junior: I think, giving the benefit of the doubt is conscious decision, an experiment of sorts, or a gamble. But some people can be simply naive. And some people never learn and fall into similar traps repeatedly, like in the song 'A fool never learns'. One mistake is OK, but when it becomes a life-time scenario, then we've a systemic problem.
The benefit of the doubt, and the courage to speak
The courage to stand in your truth
Your words are pure and inspire so many
Dr Peterson you are very worth listening to and many
can learn from your talks, lectures, interviews, and classes
You have an understanding of life that I haven't heard before
or seen anyone in today's world speak of before
I enjoy your presentations immensely and will try to keep up
and follow so I can learn more about life
Thank you
What was worth listening to in this lecture? Did you learn something and what was it? It sounds like his standard arrogant and pointless psychobabble to me.
As someone who is getting involved at the local level, I'm sick of people on the sidelines sniping without getting involved. It easy to put down those who are doing, but hard to throw your hat in the ring. Most of the decent people who are involved are overwhelmed, and sometimes make mistakes out of having too many balls in the air. And if you think things suck, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! Thanks for bringing this up Dr P!
So much truth. So fast. It’s almost hard to absorb, but, it’s right. He’s right.
Just rewind and leave it a while then watch again your unconscious mind will assimilate it
the ones who should be hearing this , aren't. mostly.
thank you both!
I'm so thankful for this man, his brilliance, and the immense positive potential that could be gained by the society, the culture if only. The big 'if' always is people/politicians in power always play to the most absolute lowest common denominator, the most base, self serving motives. Similarly, how can the 'common', people gain from his message if by definition 'common' they are so clueless about the message, they have no concept of how to apply it to their lives, and how if possible how they individually, and the broader society could benefit. In this day, and time a very small percentage of the population can send spacecraft to foreign planets, build astonishing skyscrapers, advance science in countless ways, yet the vast percentage of the population cares about nothing except that which is directly in front of their nose, and they elect to office, and are ruled by the most dispickable of all of society..I'll be specific the Leftists who rule us..
The title's a little click-baity, but the video was outstanding.
The title sucks and is misleading, but Peterson is usually worth your time if his lips are moving (even when the person posting is trying to exploit and mislead with an inappropriate title).
He is a desperately needed on this planet!
This video is gold. I can't believe this man's vision. It's unbelievable really. He is like an energy source that fuels me everyday with his vision.
@Drakomus I bought it a week ago but I have not started yet.
This is possibly the best Jordan Peterson speech I have ever listened to...
I find myself placing the most interest in people who have no interest in me doing so.
Change
You should check out Coach Corey Wayne as well
Convincing people to like you never works. It's not fair to yourself anyway.
Sadly, a sweet and naive man in this modern militant feminist environment opens the door to a world of heartache. This is a modern day public service message!
Peterson has a good point, I've been reading more and I definitely stumble across Ideas I don't agree with but I continue reading because you can continue to find values in the author's idea.
This means even more now🙏
“…loss of naivete [is] a developmental change… loss of innocence [is] a spiritual failing. While each person is fated to lose naivete, no person loses innocence by developmental necessity. Each person loses innocence by his or her own hand in freedom….
Finally and above all, I will have to learn that every relation in life must be tested, not because I am evil or bad but because without spiritual trial I have no possibility for choosing truth over untruth, innocence over strategy, youthfulness over sinking into a shattered and lonely existence. I must grow keenly ready for the journey into intensity. In truth, we never leave naivete once and for all. In every new relation and every new situation, one starts all over again in naivete.
To be young at heart is to adopt an attitude that accepts naivete as a necessary phase in venturing the new and readies one for the time life will lift the veil of naivete and test one in the quality of one's love. This attitude enables one to await, in patience, the disclosure of what one's true task will be in this relation. For every relation - whether with people or culture or place - is a divine set-up.
The whole purpose of being moved, in the extensive domain, through loss of naivete is to give us the occasion to turn ever deeper into the intensive dimension of becoming grown in love and purity of heart. Again and again in life, I must learn to allow the felt-love of naive immediacy to become transformed from a love based merely on felt kinship, mutual like, or preference into one grounded radically in unconditional acts.
There is, then, only one way to bear the worldly pressures that every new order of consciousness brings - pressure to succeed, pressure to be desirable, pressure to cut the other off when she transgresses against me - and nevertheless win eternal youthfulness of heart. Only by casting deep roots, ever more intensively down into the true font of the self, can one enjoy a countervailing tension that cuts through all worldly pressures, sets all things in perspective, and fortifies one to greet the next venture with gusto and willingness.
And yet ... if I do not get a start in growing that special strength, elasticity of spirit, to meet life's trials and ordeals with a hearty willingness to risk faith in the possibility of bearing them well, then I inescapably doom myself to lose my bloom as I age rather than acquire that lively spark, that twinkle in the eye, that eternal, youthful resilience to try and try again, that, as spirit would have, makes me forever young even as outwardly and for all practical purposes, I enter the autumn of my days.”
- Patricia Huntington, Loneliness and innocence: A Kierkegaardian reflection on the Paradox of Self-Realization
www.academia.edu/26150496/Loneliness_and_innocence_A_Kierkegaardian_reflection_on_the_paradox_of_self-realization
@Sam Lee While I understand the sentiment, and despise pretension as much as the next guy…
However, I would challenge you to consider that maybe we need to examine our own unconscious intentions and projections… maybe we are are the ones embedded within a hyper-cynical culture which deploys a “hermeneutics of suspicion“ looking to read ostentatious intentionality into people who are more learned than us and might just have something to teach us, maybe we are all just compensating for our serious lack of depth, nuance and ability to express ourselves compellingly that we feel compelled to accuse others of pretension… and if we are compelled to make the accusation having seriously considered our own unconscious misgivings, then at the very least the accusation should be made far more cautiously… I don't believe Patricia Huntington nor Kierkegaard to be writing pretentiously… any one who takes Kierkegaard seriously, knows he is precisely the sort of philosopher who devoted his life and writing to unmasking pretension:
“In the following passage Kierkegaard associates this deepening and broadening of self as something really very torturous:
One is not tempted to pity you but rather to wish that some day the circumstances of your life may tighten upon you the screws in its rack and compel you to come out with what really dwells in you; that they may begin the sharper inquisition of the rack which cannot be beguiled by nonsense and witticisms … do you not know that there comes a midnight hour when everyone has to throw off his mask? Do you believe you can slip away a little before midnight in order to avoid this? Or are you not terrified by it? (1843a)
The midnight hour that Kierkegaard refers to is the hour of one’s death and when this time comes, one’s mask will be thrown aside and man will be revealed for who he has been. Kierkegaard’s mask is comparable to Jung’s concept of persona in that it captures the sense in which an individual hides and disguises his ‘true’ self, whilst also emphasizing its role in one’s relationships with the outside world. It is interesting to note that Jung chose the term persona because it is the Latin word for ‘the masks worn by actors in antiquity’ (1921: par. 800).
According to Kierkegaard, he whose life is defined by its relation to others, he who has effectively lived for others will find that in this moment when he finally stands alone that he is no one, that beneath the mask there is nothing.”
- Amy Cook, Jung and Kierkegaard: Researching a Kindred Spirit in the Shadows
@Sam Lee Got it. I believe I understand where you are coming from. Fair play.
I can definitely agree that narcissistic, pretentious, ostentatious and self-congratulatory language is at the very least annoying, if not downright insulting to the intelligence of the reader.
And I can definitely agree with you that accessibility is important and that, depending on who you are reading, you can all too often easily find an obscure use of language - I am thinking of Hegel and some of the Postmodernists. Does it serve a purpose within their philosophical project? That would be the question I would ask of specialists before I would assume that they are just being pretentious. It's just too easy of an accusation to make, and given that I cannot peer into their hearts to see what they intended, I prefer to deal with their corpus on its objective merits, rather than speculating about the subjective intentions of its author.
Having said that-and perhaps I am a bit of a romantic on the sujbect-I am not particularly fond of much of modern literature; I do love the rhetorical poise of Plato, of Augustine, of Rilke - there is something beautiful in the way they craft their words that us moderns would do well to read and appreciate. There is something in a statement like, “The Owl of Minerva only spreads her wings at dusk.” That has both a mytho-poetic and a philosophical sensibility that I find deeply enriching. As someone once said: the ancients wrote books that would require copious volumes to express, while the moderns wrote copious volumes that could be summarized in a single book.
I would suffer all of their perceived pretension for their sublime insights - and Patricia Huntington is no exception. To understand that the loss of naivete is developmental and that “The experience of the Self is always a defeat for the ego.” (Jung) has helped me to learn to become more compassionate with my own social and moral failure. My failures illuminate the path, they help me continue to grow, but I pray that I may never lose my innocence along the way, this would spell my spiritual failure.
And so I find myself far more annoyed by the “felt flatness” of our present uni-dimensional culture that robs a part of our soul in exchange for the “treasures” of this modern capitalist "utopia." Our world has never been more in need of the wisdom and insights of the great philosophers, “if we are not to collapse underneath the weight of our own technological genius.”
They will make statues of JP honouring a man who said what needed to be said and faced a plethora of mainstream media persecution.
Regardless of whether he is or not his positive effect on so many people around the world is undeniable. However, if we must talk "fraud" a doctorate is no "fraud". He has studied for many years and refined his message which is based on practicality and sound judgement.
I just don't know why we had to politicise this mans work. It won't matter what argument is made to people who disagree with JP, some people will find these arguments rationally incoherent regardless of validity and truth.
Either way I wish you the best for all your future endeavours as Im sure you're sentiment is likewise to all JP listeners in trying to expose JP's so called "fraudery".
@Sebastian R. Examples!
@Sebastian R. Examples of dumb or simplistic things he's said, please!
@Sebastian R. STILL zero specifics. Give examples of JP's dumb, simple ideas, so we can take JP down a notch!
@Sebastian R.probably has a dirty room. 😂😂
This is possibly the best Dr.JP speech ever.
Wisdom is the result of failure plus caring, openness and honesty.
@Radford Tataryn what are you saying? You did not respond to what I wrote. Your answer makes no sense. And, i might add that it lacks not only thought but courtesy. In fact, it is nothing BUT hateful, when it should ONLY be thoughtful. So i guess you to be a fatherless late teen with no job, talent, or history of achievement. I, on the other hand, am a retired automotive designer with patents, a teacher, a PROPERTY OWNER YOU BUM, and a successful husband, father and gransfather, with a history so rich that if you watch American Dad, then you know who I am. I have left a wake of healed and housed strangers, now fond friends. I gave away ALL MY POSESSIONS at 25 and walked away from my career (I am the designer of the retro-mustang) to mentor fools like yourself. Now, look at yourself. Go and do the hard work of life before you try and fail to dare to lecture your master. You should be ashamed. So should your grandmother, since I can tell you had NO real parenting.
Jordan Peterson seems to have vast knowledge, wisdom, judgment and communication skills. How did all of that develop in one person?
He developed himself for years
The problem is I see everything now and everyone is malevolent. Sound Nihilistic but it’s deafly not naïve
This is such a beautiful video.
Cosmic levels of significant wisdom and advice - all in under fifteen minutes. Unbelievable.
Let’s start from 2+2=4, because if it’s not then nothing works. You will not trust a person whom you don’t respect. Respect is based on experience with this and other individuals. Your ability to judge them comes from your parents, friends, teachers and your own personal experiences... you know you’ll make mistakes, everybody does. Thus respect and suspect them and yourself. And Repeat daily ... it’s not something that stops. You change they change too. In negative and positive direction. My neighbour’s wife left as soon as he got cancer, mine didn’t.
I m not naive thanks to my parents like really i thank them
I trusted them....
a random panda 😔
So dark
The profile pic makes it hit harder.
For trust you need courage. So true.
You are so right he's trying to save the world I wish they was more people like him
If our society predicts our future, we as a species are on verge of a catastrophe.
pls dont let the stupid get more might. i hope guys like jordan peterson protect us
Watch the hell out!!! The father cannot protect you in your journey into chaos....
@@bomgodd True, i have to fulfill my own responsibility. But i am not at the point and position where i have such an impact or can achieve something such great.
The tasks i have to fulfill to develope are much smaller at my point in my life.
And in all honesty with no joke, 1 year ago when i discovered JP it was really clean your room.
@Drakomus wow you are so smart, you even use the word jordanetics lol
That was even more than epic af
The title describes only the very beginning of the talk so it's a little misleading, but... it's JP so it's still well-worth the listen.