A Word about the Honda Oil Dilution Problem
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- čas přidán 30. 06. 2019
- Hey everyone! In response to a few questions I have received (and my own curiosity) I dove a little more into the oil dilution problem Honda seems to be saddled with as of late. Specifically, I discuss the possibility of the Clarity having this issue, as well as my own hands-on experience here. Have a look to find out! And thank you for your viewership! -Brad
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I have 2020 accord 1.5t ex. Should I be concerned oil dilution? If yes, where shall I go and check?
The Honda Clarity 1.5 liter engines are port fuel injected (NOT direct injected). Honda chose low pressure (relative to GDI) and simpler port fuel injection most likely to save space and cost. This is a reasonable engineering choice given all the other expensive high technology systems on our cars. The 2018 Honda Clarity Plug-In Hybrid Press Kit lists the i-Vtech engine features including, "computer-controlled port fuel injection with multi-hole injectors."
Thanks bud! I appreciate the info!
The choice of not going for direct injection has nothing to do with cost,, direct injection engines would need maintenance do to the clogged injectors for lack of use, it's a reliability issue so cheers Honda, it was the right choice.
Hi Sir, thanks for the video. May i plz know what temperature range are u driving in, and what are your distances? I`ve read some chinese articles, suggesting that most cases are from Northern provinces with cold weather and user do 10~20min short trips.
Hey Wintereve! I myself am in Canada, but the oil dilution problems I have heard about seem to be primarily in cooler climates. Northern US, etc. Such a shame because Hondas are usually such great cars! I've had my S2000 since 2006 and it has 180 000 km on it and is going strong!
Thank you for watching my friend! Stay safe and good luck! -Brad
Basically, it's the owner's/driver's driving usage. If they very-cold start the CRV, then drive 5 minutes and stop/park it at the grocery store, while it's still cold, then shop, then come back to a very-cold start again, and drive 5 minutes to get back home, and they also don't regularly change their oil every 3,000 miles, and they beat the crap out of it, while it's still cold, and low miles on the engine, then there's oil dilution. The majority of the public are not educated in this bad owner/driver behavior.
I’m trying to find the video where you get super long distance in ev mode. Can’t find it.
What is the highway only ev range?
I'll look it up, but yes the longest range I got was doing about 95-100km/h steady on the highway. Of note I have not yet done it again to see in the 25 degree+ (Celsius) yet. I really should!
Hey Brad, say I still want to buy a Honda hrv even though I know now that the fuel leaks into it's engine. Would there be any further/serious damage done to the engine even if I were to change the engine oil every now and then?
Hey Vengota! Sorry for the late reply.
If you went for it I would change the oil every 3000 miles or so. If you did it yourself (which is actually quite easy) you could do it for less $$. When I had my first "good" car (and Acura when I was in Uni) I would change the oil every 3000 and the filter every 6000. Made it easy. And quick. You could do the same and that would absolutely minimize the risk. Best of luck either way! Let me know what you decide! -Brad
I just got my 2020 Honda Civic coupe SI,I’m 5’2 and am having problems reaching my seatbelt,any ideas.?
Hi Patricia! Unfortunately I am 6'2" so I have never had that problem! But I can see it would be a PitA! I'll see what I can find out! All the best! -Brad
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Patricia Sampier The coupe is actually designed for shorter drivers. The sunroof and roofline make it for adults less than 6 feet tall. The visibility is not very good all around due to manual seat position. But the seatbelt is on the left and should not be a problem to reach. Is the problem because it is far behind you? If so I would leave the door open and then reach backward for the belt and close the door after the belt has been locked.
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How is you car holding up ? I’m currently debating between a 2021 accord or 2021 Camry
Hey Mandy! I'm lucky; my car is not affected by this issue. But if the Accord is turbo I would go with the Camry. In my expectation it should not have this issue that the Accord may. Best of luck! Let me know what you buy! -Brad
When you got the car did the Honda link app work for you? I’m having an issue where it doesn’t show anything in the app and I’ve called their support line and they said they were going to fix it and then call me back, but it’s been a week now and haven’t heard from them
Hey again William. Yes. I haven't had any issues with it, and in that recent cold snap I used it every day for preconditioning the interior. I'm in Canada but I doubt it would be any different up here. I take the updates for sure as they come in (though I don't recall the last one).
Let me know how you make out! I find it a nice convenience. Thanks for watching! -Brad
I've had the same issue with my 2020 Civic. The dealer told me I need a newer phone. I have a Samsung S6 doesn't make sense to me.
@@WiliiamNoTell that's lame! Sorry to hear it! Best of luck; I hope it clears itself up soon!
Does this effect the 2.4L non turbo in my 2015 accord?
I do not believe so. Just the direct injection turbo'd cars.
I have 2015 CRV 2.4 L non turbo and I have the same oil dilution problem.
What about the 2014 to 2015 earth drama technology v6 motors in the honda crosstours???
Hey again Johnathon! As I mention the V6s are not turbo'd so you will be just fine. Thanks again for watching and commenting! Best of luck! -Brad
I’m looking at a 2018 Honda Accord 2.0 does it fall in that list
Hey Carrington! Sorry for the late reply. If the 2.0 is >not< direct injected (or turbo'd) it shouldn't. But I do recall some of the 2.0s were both. Look up the VIN and it should tell you for sure. It's a shame because Hondas have been historically dead-reliable. Best of luck! And thank you for watching and commenting! -Brad
I helped change a friend's engine oil. He has a Clarity PHEV at 43000 miles. The engine oil smelled strongly of gasoline. He is an uber driver so he typically does 300 miles of driving a day.
Oh that sucks. Thanks for the data point. I hope he can get it sorted. Especially since it is his source of income.
I appreciate you watching and commenting Jason. Best of luck to you and your friend. -Brad
What year model was that.....?
Do you think adding an oil catch can will do any good?
Hey Derek! That's a good question. At first thought I don't think it's a crankcase vent issue (i.e. pressure and/or combustion blowby), but rather simply due to the condensation of fuel in the combustion chamber (which on the face of it sounds odd as well).
Good thought though. I'm interested in seeing what more comes out of this issue. Hopefully to a good resolution.
Thanks for watching and commenting! Best of luck! -Brad
Derek McMurry Testing has not revealed that a catch can is necessary. The two solutions besides programming update to the ECU are 1. Good oil in 30 weight, hot and 2. Install Honda's pre-heater into the block because the faster the engine warms up the less fuel dilution occurs
James Medina Hi Mate. I have the Civic 2018, 1.5 t. Having the smell of the gasoline in my dipstick oil. How will I install the pre heater into the block? Any other fix? Need help
Hi Brad, I'm new to the channel. I was wondering if you know 2013 Honda Accord 4-Cyl, PZEV, 2.4 Liter has oil dilution problems? It was the first year that the Accord got the Earth Dream engine. Thanks.
Hi mamagood! Forgive me for the late reply. If your car is not turbo'd then I think you will be just fine! Only the direct injected ones with turbos were the problem. But nonetheless please do change your oil every 4000 miles/6000km to be safe! The motor will last forever if you do that. And it's inexpensive if you can do it yourself! Thanks for watching! Please keep the questions coming! Best of luck, -Brad
@@BradOnCars Just test drove one today. Smelled the oil stick and sure enough, it reeked of fuel. Very low mileage and vibration at idle.
Does this include the manual trans vehicles as well??
Regrettably I think it is simply the motor trouble; if the motor is in the manual cars as well (which I believe ti is) then it is...
Although another viewer of mine mentioned the fix from Honda cured the problem! That is good to hear!
@@BradOnCars Except its not true. The fix failed.
Great technical video, still makes me leery of them...
Hey John! Thanks for watching and commenting. I agree; I would not be keen to go purchase a Honda that has these motors in them. Regrettably there is too much risk in my mind. Plus there are options.
Still grateful my car has the conventional, non-direct-injected 4... All the best! And thank you again! -Brad
I'm SO disappointed. I've been needing a new car for some time and had my heart set on the Civic Hatchback. RIP.
Such a shame hey! Such a great car otherwise! But that's a showstopper. Thanks for watching and commenting! Let me know what you end up getting! - Brad
Ser Lot don’t think they are affected but check it out.
1pilot2000 called the honda "nightmare" engine.
Ser Lot i too had my sights on a fun looking hatch, but didn't buy. Haven't found anything else. Have you?
@@BradOnCars This is what happens when you put a turbo engine in 1500 CC engine.......too much pressure and stress, turbo is a problem.
Does the 2.0 L suffer from this issue it's non turbo I have no problems so far
Hey Gamesotic! No the non-turbo cars do not seem to be affected. The boost is part of the problem it seems. Plus I'm not sure if the 2.0L is direct-injected.
Thanks for watching and commenting! Best of luck with the car! -Brad
@@BradOnCars 2.0 litre is non turbo.
The 2.0 is port injected 👍🏻
Test drove a 2017 accord 2.4L Sedan with CVT Trans. Oil reeked of gas. Also noticed a vibration at idle.
Such a shame hey. Love the cars but that is completely unacceptable. Thanks for watching and commenting! -Brad
Damn, I wish I would find this video before I brought my CRV. So what would You suggest I would do since I already brought my CRV? Please advise
Nothing. Changing your oil often is the only mitigation, hoseve some say the issue resumes after only an hour. Selling it would be the solution
Hey chihaibe69! Apologies for the late reply. I would do what VulcanXIV says; since you own it now just change the oil frequently. Buy it in bulk and do it every 3000 miles so it minimizes the issue! And make sure where you bought it from is aware of it all! Best of luck! Please let me know how it treats you! -Brad
Keep it. Change oil on time. I have one.
Is that a crack in your windscreen? If so, I missed the story. What happened?
Hey Lee! I live in Canada, which means we gravel the roads in the winter. The one freeway we have where I live is frequented by big trucks. One chucked up a stone and chipped it. And then the crack comes...
I'll get it replaced after this coming winter. If I did it every time I got a stone or a crack I'd have a new windshield every spring... Thanks for watching and commenting! Hope all is well! -Brad
Greetings from northern Illinois. Thanks for the reply. I am the delighted owner of a 2018 Clarity Touring (Crystal Black) which I picked up earlier this month. Got an amazing deal and couldn’t say no. More than anyone else on CZcams your videos helped me make the decision to buy it. I was especially worried about wintertime range but you showed me that all would be well. Thanks for your really helpful vids. Best wishes! Lee
Hey Lee! Sorry for the late reply! I didn't catch this one right away.
Thank you for your kind words! They mean so much! And congratulations on the car! I continue to love mine after a year and three months or so, and over 30 000km! I am still amazed at how cheap it is to run and how great it is to drive... And my kids love it too!
May yours treat you as well as mine! And thank you again for watching and commenting! -Brad
@@BradOnCars your probably talking 2k to replace that window too. If it has sensing
We discovered our 2017 CRV 1.5 Turbo has it, we live in South Texas and recently had our oil tested, it was over 4% gas in the oil, it is most certainly a problem in warm states as well, dealer so far wont even accept that there is fuel in the oil...
Awe that stinks! I'm sorry to hear that. Such a shame for otherwise what I'm sure is a great vehicle. I hope they treat you right and look after you. Otherwise they could have a Volkswagen-like event on their hands.
Best of luck to you. And thank you for watching and commenting! -Brad
I have a 2017 HB Sport with 1.5T. Been running fine for the past 45K miles. There are bunch of lab test on CivicX for reference. Pretty much everyones oil sample came with extra gasoline. Tho, No one has extra engine wear problem. When I said no one, it means that i have never seen one at all. Seem like the advance engine oil is fine with some extra gasoline.
@@luckyyu2004 That's great to hear! I hope it continues to treat you well! Thank you for watching and commenting! -Brad
I have an email of an attorney that is conducting a class action law suit against Honda with this engine. Let me know if you want the info. I have a 2019 accord. I plan on getting my oil tested on every oil change. No problem right now for me but the attorney stated keep records of oil tests, if it becomes a problem to let him know.
The Cookster your oil sample will have extra gasoline but you will never have problem as long as you change oil following the engine oil life meter. There are 1.5T crossing 200k miles already. 2020 CRV will only have the 1.5T as well. Good luck on the law suit.
Is that a crack on your windshield?
Is that an issue also on these Hondas?
Ha no. I caught a huge rock on the freeway. I live in Canada where we gravel the roads in the winter so I don't bother replacing them all the time. I am due to fix it though. It's on my list... ;) Thanks for watching!
What year is your car ?
Hey David! Mine is a 2018, but luckily the Clarity is not subject to this problem. Thanks for watching and commenting! -Brad
Real world anecdotal experience:
I own a 2018 Civic EX-T (1.5 liter Turbo), bought new on June 2018 in Westchester county, NY.
After just over three years and 77,800 miles I’ve been running trouble-free. I change the oil/filter every 4,200-5,000 miles (earlier than the scheduled maintenance interval). I only use Shell 93 Octane fuel for the extra detergent. I’m averaging 33.9 mpg. I will be changing the transmission fluid (for the second time) and the differential fluid with my next maintenance at 78,500 miles. The only things I’ve replaced are all four tires and brake pads (also cut the rotors) and the wipers. I hope to keep my Civic for over 250,000 miles.
Thanks for the solid data point! That's great. I love Honda and I'm sad that this is otherwise such a challenge. May yours continue to treat you well! Thanks for watching! -Brad
Thanks for sharing. I live in Broome County, NY and got my 21' Civic last year. It's got about 30k miles on it and I've been concerned with this oil dilution thing. It seems that if you use high octane gas and do maintenance often we should be "fine" at least for the first 100k miles.
Bought a new 2016 CRV Touring. Non Turbo. Had oil dilution bad! Honda is lying about years involved and if it is Turbo or not issue. I traded it off immediately after Honda started covering it up.
I change my own oil, synthetic. That's how people find it. Most people don't change their own oil or check it even, so problem isn't found as much. My dipstick smelled like a gas can
@@yashsharma1293 I had a brand new one, it did. Direct injection is the culprit, not just Turbo, although it makes it worse
Hey Chuck! Forgive my epically late reply. That sucks. I'm sorry you've had the issues. Such a shame; I've loved Hondas for years but that is a catastrophic problem. So many cars seem to have them these days. Kia/Hyundai had a major problem with their Sportage/Tuscon lineup with the motors blowing up under 60 000 miles. Makes me want to buy an old Mustang! Best of luck, and thank you for watching and commenting! -Brad
@@yashsharma1293 So they say! Haha I bought a brand new one, had oil dilution bad
Does the Honda Fit also have this problem?
Hey Christopher. I do >not< believe so. It is not a turbo. I'm looking to see if it is the L15 motor however. I'll get back to you! Thanks for watching and commenting! -Brad
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@@christopherwallace1170 Hey Christopher. From what I can tell it >is< an L15 motor, but again since it is >not< turbocharged I am sure you will be just fine. I have not come across anyone having that issue in the Fits so far. Do you have one? Or are you looking at one? Because otherwise I hear great things about them. Good luck either way! And thanks again! -Brad
Brad On Cars Thanks for the info. I will be looking at one today
I now have the 2020 si coupe I asked the dealership about the oil dilution problem,and he said it was the crus,so I guess I’ll see
Best of luck Patricia! Otherwise that's a great car!
What's that mean
Patricia Sampier That the si is a great car! I hope they can sort out the issue. Another subscriber mentioned they had the fix and it seemed to cure the problem!
Need a car and really wanted an 18 civic , afraid of this problem tho
Hey Ali. Unfortunately I would be too. Otherwise Civics are stellar cars. Such a shame. Good luck! And thanks for watching and commenting! -Brad
The 1.6 diesel has the same problem?
Hey Danym! I have >not< heard of any diesels having this issue. Thanks for the question though! If I come across some that have I'll post about it! Be safe! -Brad
Thank you Brad!
I have the 2019 Honda Civic coupe si on order,it will be here nov 20,should I be concerned?
Hi Patricia! Thank you for watching and commenting!
Well your car does have the 1.5L Turbo direct-injected motor that seems to cause the problems. But given it is a 2019 I hope that either the factory (or the dealer) will provide a) the software update to reduce the issue, and b) they will extend the warranty as I have seen they do for civics and CR-Vs with the motor.
Please let me know how they treat you! Good luck no matter what! -Brad
Patricia Sampier=make sure it is NOT 1.5 LITER TURBO ==IF IT IS YOUR FUCKED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The oil dilution will allways be there. I wouldn't buy it, i bought now the Mazda CX30 with the skyactive-x engine. My friend has his for a half years and it smells even inside. When you buy it, do only the oil changes required in the dealership. AND SEARCH FOR a mechanic that can do 1 or more extra oil-changes in between (each 2 to 3000miles). The oil only costs about 40dollar (use 0w20 from mazda or honda), the best is KROON. Don't change the oil filter, dealership will notice. In that case engine can last for ever.(i hope for you)
I only have oil changed at Honda,I’ll be fine
@@patriciasampier6705 Yes but every 3000 miles please, whatever they say.
I have a 2021 Accord with a 1.5 that runs fine no problems at all.
No windshield change?
2k replace.. Would u?
Mine is covered by insurance, but where I live it will just happen again. In winter we gravel our roads, so inevitably I get a stone tossed up from a truck or something and bam. If it was in my field of view I'm sure I'd be quicker to do something about it. I'm just used to cracked windshields! Thanks for watching and commenting! I REALLY appreciate it! -Brad
There are other auto makers that do have small engines with turbo’s that do suffer from oil dilution. With that said, why doesn’t HONDA install an oil & fuel separator. I have a 2019 CRV. According to Honda it’s not on the oil dilution list. Yet, I do from time to time have oil around my tail pipe exits. No other signs of burning oil. My last step is to measure the use oil durning oil changes to see what the actual difference is. The oil dilution issues alway show up once it’s too late.
well understood on the topic////
Few off topic questions:
1. where are You driving this 30 km/h- some park area?
2. Lower part of a windshield- is that crack or some purpose film/ heater?
There is a park not far from my house that is nice. Plus it is usually empty when I go so no one watches me talk to myself! :) I live in Canada where we put gravel on the roads when they are icy. I caught a stone on the freeway and then it cracked the rest of the way. I am used to it so I haven't yet had it fixed. Thank you for watching and commenting!
@@BradOnCars thanks for soon reply. Actually I"d prefer and own diesel and have KIA Sportage 1.7 CRDI, but this Honda impressing....
Diesels are great too (and I still love my gas-powered sports car) but what still gets me is the almost complete lack of maintenance required for an EV! Sure I have to do a few things (tires, maybe CV shafts after a lot of miles) but I certainly don't miss the extra cost! Although I bet your KIA is way better than most. Thanks for watching Vadym! And I always appreciate your comments! -Brad
This 1.5 turbo engines is working out really well for Mazda.
Ha! It is isn't it... Honestly such a shame. Hondas have always treated me well. My S2000 has 180 000km on it and has been virtually trouble-free! Thanks for watching and commenting! -Brad
Actually Mazda uses 2.5 turbo
V S No he means in competition such as the Mazda 3. They do not have turbo. Normally aspirated
@@jamesmedina2062 Mazda's has turbo...the same 2.5L turbo used on the CX-5. Subarru uses 2.4L turbos and none of the manufacturers have problems.....1.5L is too small to put turbos on just to meet EPA guidelines.
@@441meatloaf Not in a car. Corolla and Mazda 3 are non-turbos.
ALWAYS !!!! LET THE ENGINE WARM UP BEFORE DRIVING PERIOD .
I bothered my dealership about my 2018 CRV until fuel injectors were finally checked and replaced. Dealership employees NOW admit that 2 other have same problem. These cars are in South Carolina.
Hey Dave! Good. I'm glad you hassled them to get a result! Like I say it's such a shame that these otherwise excellent cars/SUVs have such a terminal flaw. Please let me know how it treats you as you get miles on it! I hope it is completely resolved. Thanks for watching and commenting! -Brad
So. Did they charge you or did they cover the charges?
I’m having the same problem with my 2018 CR V Touring AWD
@Dave G I am working with Honda of Joliet in Illinois and they are fixing it under a goodwill 70/30. But I am trying to fight an uphill battle because I am fight with both the dealer and Honda America to fix it under the non recall campaign. They extended the Powertrain warranty. But that doesn’t cover the fuel injectors. So. They are saying. 😡🤬🤯
Even Camry gots the cracked block recall that leaks coolant and the new Corolla has CVT problems, better just buying older models now I guess
Toyota is getting more problems because they are putting more and more tech even in their base standard vehicles vs other manufacturers. Tech is causing a problem.
Just buy older cars. If you want too many fancy electronics, just walk into an electronics store.
My wife just got rid of our 2019 Honda CRV. We had 2,200 miles on it and dead on the side road.OIL DILLUTION. She lost her ass on it and Honda simply smiled and offered an extended warranty. I know Honda makes better stuff than this but it WILL be my last Honda I will EVER buy. Traded it in for a 2020 Rav4. Screw you Honda!
Hey Jon. Sad to hear about that. What a pain. I truly wish Honda would do something real to satisfy those affected. A shame they have not. Best of luck with the Rav, and be safe! -Brad
Sorry but my oil dilution fears are not assuaged. Just ordered a 2020 Toyota Highlander XLE.
Hey Kerri. I agree. The Clarity is ok of course (the motor is not affected), but I would not buy one with the dilution issue when there is a perfectly good alternative such as the Highlander. Best of luck with it! And thank you for watching and commenting! -Brad
Uh oh, the 2020 Highlander comes with the infamous new Toyota 8 speed automatic transmission which has its own problems as bad as the Honda 1.5T oil dilution.
I bought a 2 liter non-Turbo 4 cylinder Honda Civic LX right before Christmas, I only have 170 miles on it, and already the dipstick and the oil cap are smelling like gas. I took it to the Honda Dealership, one guy said that maybe I should just get an oil change, BUT, that the car still had the break-in oil in it with Zinc, and that I shouldn't get it changed because of the break-in oil. He told me that, IF, the dipstick goes higher than the orange plastic, that I should then bring it in. It's not above the orange plastic with the two holes. And, why didn't Honda just keep the metal dipstick, it was soo much easier to read it, I can't tell where the oil is or isn't on that orange plastic. Honda, why are you doing this to your customers????? I live in South Texas, today's high was 81F.
Hey texashsad! Thanks for the comment. I'm sorry you're having the issue. I do hope that Honda addresses this in some real ways; otherwise they have screwed over what no doubt are thousands of loyal customers. I know I would not buy one of the affected cars (or a new Honda in general) unless I could be 100% sure this would not happen. Sure other cars have issues as well (see my latest video!) but not of this scale it seems for an otherwise reliable brand...
All the best with it, and in 2020! -Brad
I just filled out a Survey from Honda, and told them that I was smelling gas on my oil cap and oil dipstick on my new 2020 Honda Civic non-turbo LX at 170 miles. I told them that they need to do the right thing and recall all the cars that are having this problem, and stop blaming the customers for their engine flaw. That they need to do the right thing, and stop coming up with excuses and fake fixes. I said that if I had another chance, I would buy a Toyota. I just sent it in...whether they do anything is left to be seen.
I was watching another video my honda ridgeline 2019 has earth dream motor which has the same problem my dipstick smells like a gas tank
Heading to dealership soon
No problems yet
Hey David. Thanks for the note. I'm glad you don't have any problems yet. Let me know how it goes! I wish you luck! And thank you for watching! -Brad
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Update gas smell on dipstick gone
Tech could not find problems
@@davidcoupal8083 Oh great! Fingers crossed it stays away!
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Thanks crossing fingers
Honda has no solution to this problem. just trying to gain time and selling more honda crv's. Still having the same problem after the fix applied and 3 visits to the dealer. Dipstick color was choosed because of this problem:very difficult to see oil level. Honda dealer not recognizing the problem at all. As indicated here this is an engineering problem not software issue. Will never buy Honda. People should stay away from all honda models with turbocharger and direct injection.
I'm sorry you're having such trouble. I know it's such a shame. Honda has historically been the cornerstone of engineering excellence and reliability.
Thank you for your honest and personal reply. I wish you luck no matter what. And thank you for watching. -Brad
What year is your crv? Are 2019 models ok though?
@@maxt999 Hey DaniBoi. I do not have a CRV; I have the Clarity. From what I understand the 2019s still have the issue. If you have one I would be sure to be all over your dealership to make sure you are taken care of. Otherwise these cars are amazing for how long they last. Such a shame to have a problem like this.
Best of luck to you, and thank you for watching and commenting! -Brad
Agreed, never will buy a Honda product if ANY kind again! It's not because that they have a problem, it's how they handle warranty issues! They respond by making excuses, not doing recalls when they should. other companies have had issues and they issue recalls or treat their customers right and fix the problem, but not Honda
@@chuckentleutner4818 Never owned a Honda and never will. Honda is blaming the car owner for the problem. A short trip to the supermarket or shopping is owner abuse? That's why the cabin doesn't heat up in the winter? I have a 2017 Ford Fusion with a 1.5T GDI EcoBoost engine. The cabin gets toasty warm, short trip or long. Shame on you, Honda!
Am I seeing a cracked windshield? ... that's not a good sign.
Hey Will. I live in Canada where we gravel the roads in the winter. I caught a huge stone that got flung up off a big truck on the freeway. It happens every other year-ish so I'm not in a rush to replace it. I'll take it in when it annoys me enough! Thanks for watching and commenting! -Brad
Not clear what you mean by not seeing any oil and gas separation after an oil change. I don't think I'd count on that as any evidence of there being no gas in your oil. Yes, the gas may be lighter (not really sure about that), but that doesn't mean they will separate. Gas and oil mix, and stay mixed indefinitely. Think 2-cycle engines. You intentionally mix gas and oil and they stay mixed . . . no separation.
Hey gull rock george! You are absolutely right. I have never seen the oil separate from the fuel in my 2-stroke jerry can, so why would I in engine oil... Thank you for the reminder. And thank you for watching! I truly appreciate it. All the best! -Brad
I am quite certain that Honda knows they have a catastrophic engineering design problem, to which their best solution is to make more money by surreptitiously shortening their maintenance intervals.
I have been driving for close to 60 years and as a 2nd-generation Detroit-born-and- raised motor head (my dad and his buddy had their own Model-A garage as high school kids), have always performed my own repair and maintenance on every vehicle (of 2 wheels or 4) that I have ever owned. As I approached my 70s I became much less likely to do anything more than; oil/filter changes, an occasional tune-up, valve adjustment, plugs, brake jobs, ect., but I did resent being unable to TOUCH my new vehicle. Unlike most "professional" mechanics (especially @ dealerships), when I repair a vehicle I intend to keep, I try to use the best available (sometimes used/rebuilt) replacement parts and take all the time necessary to do the best possible repair. When I change oil in a vehicle I intend to keep, I use only the best oil and best filter available and I usually flush during the process. To keep the Honda warranty, we now must let ONLY Honda perform ANY labour and use ONLY Honda parts.
What seemed baffling to me (although it is now becoming much clearer) was NO MENTION of a maintenance schedule in the owner's manual! Given the apparent total on-board computer control (and maybe INTERNET control) of 21st Century vehicles, it seems that the maintenance schedule is variable to the needs of the manufacturers and dealers.
This will be our 3rd Honda and we loved each of them, but we are now the unhappy owners of a 1.5L Turbo 2018 CRV EX. The first year we only drove her for short errands around our small town and trips of 100+ miles only twice. We always used her remote start to warm her up before driving and never jack-rabbited or abused her. We never noticed any variation of oil level, nor did we get a bulletin or recall notice. We did get the "MAINTENANCE DUE" popup on the dashboard at 3,000 mi. and used our "dealer freebie" to have our first oil and filter change early last month.
Later last month we drove to Florida & back, where we drove often at 70-90mph all day × 8 days, for a total of 3,000 mi+. When we got back to town, we found a 1 inch rise over "FULL" on her dipstick level.
Since we live in a high desert climate where it almost NEVER goes down to freezing, ALWAYS warming her up and NEVER accelerating aggressively (minimizing turbo pressure), Honda's theory that "...fuel dilution is due to insufficient warming, especially in cold climates..." is SHEER AND UTTER BULLSHIT!
So now we will take her in for the "Honda fix"; oil/filter change and the magical top-secret mumbo-jumbo software update, but the only way to test her is to drive 3,000mi. accross Texas (with their 80mph speed limit, our radar detector, a big bottle of No Doze and some adult diapers) and see if her oil level no longer rises!
Alternately, our next best option is to get rid of her and try to find a vehicle (preferably something from the last century) that a liitle old lady only drove to church on Sunday.
We did see a website that solicits membership in a law firm's class action suit, and are thinking about joining and taking their printout to show to the Honda service manager.
Hey J D! Thanks for the thoughtful reply. Yeah I think they have a big problem on their hands. It still kills me that so many of these new/er cars have so many terminal failure challenges. Porsche with their IMS bearing, a lot of the 5.5L Mercedes V8s have a $2 seal that if it hardens will force you to lose more than half of your oil pressure, and now Honda too. Seriously makes me want to go buy a basic car that I can fix myself (motors too) rather than take a $50 k chance again. I'm lucky that my car isn't part of it, but only by sheer luck.
I wish you the best of luck with it. Please let me know how you make out; I am curious in general but also hope you yourself don't get screwed.
All the best, and thanks again. -Brad
Honda's are not what they used to be!!
My Hyundai Kona AWD1.6T has it bad too (Minnesota/short trip) been up to 1/2 liter plus gain of oil height in 1,000 miles. I knew it would have it before I bought it and bought a 10 pack oil analysis bottle pack from Polaris Labs. I am over 5% every time. There is a guy on Bob's the oil guys oil site with a Honda 1.5T and both have found zero increase in metal wear because of it. Just change your oil every 3,500 miles and you will be ok. Drive it and enjoy it. Added to this my car is lowered 2 inches and has an aftermarket suspension so I am thrashing corner at every chance, I am on boost more then most. www.hyundaikonaforum.com/showcase/2018-kona-awd-1-6t-lowered.1162/
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Hey Ted! Thanks for the detailed response! Glad to hear you're doing ok with your car! And glad you hoon on it ;) I drive my cars hard. I'm not abusive, but I take full advantage of what my cars can do ;) Best of luck! And thanks for watching! -Brad
This engine is a disaster for Honda and me. I did an oil analysis on my 2018 CR-v, and it had 9% petrol by volume in the oil. The dealer has replaced the fuel injectors, I told them that won't fix a poor hardware design.
If worse comes to worse all you could do is just keep it charged and run it all Electric. 😀
Absolutely! But luckily so far it seems like the Clarity does not have the issue. Thanks for watching and commenting Michael! -Brad
I’ve been following the CivicX enthusiast forum and the oil dilution issue has been overblown. It happens in exceptional circumstances and it has been addressed by a recall campaign. There are high mileage CivicX’s now from 2016 that are running like clockwork. I’ve never heard of a CivicX blowing up due to damage caused by oil dilution. Those cars succumbing in exceptional circumstances go into limp mode.
Interesting though that the super heavy Clarity gets the same mpg in ice mode as the CivicX with its turbo gdi engine. Which is good.
Rajkiran Natarajan Thanks, I totally agree, the internet has a way of blowing things up like a virus, a few people read some info, then repeat it in every forum, and soon like gossip everyone thinks it’s worse than it is.
Fat Buddha Didn’t say it doesn’t exist, it’s just not as widespread as people think.
@@suspicionofdeceit No, it is real. Just because you may not have experienced it yourself doesn't mean it isn't true. I had a 2016 Honda CR-V Touring (most expensive trim) I had the NON TURBO engine. I change my own oil, do I actually see what's going on compared to other people who bring in their car every 6 months to a fast oil change service who pulls the plug and refills oil without ever knowing how much was in their before they started or if it smelled like gas.
Mine would go almost 2 quarts over the full line, with gasoline- real...
The issue is a hardware issue. Parts were not machined to correct tolerances. Honda has probably fixed this for 2020. The software fix will not work. Get rid of your 2017/ 2018 and possibly the 2019
Seriously hey. I'm really glad the Clarity is not affected. I'd be seriously pissed! Thanks for the comment!
And 2016 too. Mine had issue crv touring
how did they fix the 2020
@@luke4701 I don’t know. Honda never officially gave a definitive cause or how it was remedied
The Honda Clarity being Atkinson cycle engine are not direct injection so they will not be affected by fuel injectors getting clogged and have no reason to have the turbo engine issues.
Totally. Thanks AP!
Dilution problem still happening in 2022 Honda CRV. Wife's car broke down within 5 months on the road. Yet Honda still refuses to believe their is a problem They show us a video from 2020 saying problem was fixed by a software fix. Really!!!
Ugh. I'm so frustrated with it. I was a honda guy for years. Had my S2000 for 16! And to be left holding the bag like that. Best of luck with it Craig. Let me know how it goes for you. I will make another video. Happy to keep drawing attention to it. Best of luck, -Brad
This is a design fault which they have failed to fix.They know try to shift the problem to the owner by requiring the oil contamination level to be monitored and the oil changed.Remember the specs of the car sold state oil and filter change intervals .They clearly have not meet their specs nor have they meet the oil manufactures oil specs of 2% max dilution.The internal combustion engine has been around for decades and this problem has now appeared and only on certain engines.But the most important note is oil dilution causes increased engine wear and early failure and low resale values.Are they going to compensate the owners for these loses.The dip stick markings are useless to indicate oil concentration level .Remember the oil level decreases with mileage and it required to be topped up .So how do you know if the engine has used 500ml of oil while the dip stick shows the level is just at its max with the fuel contamination.So actually there would be 500ml of additional fuel in the oil to bring it to this level thinning the oil further wearing your engine.You cannot use a dip stick to indicate the concentration of two liquids especially if the engine use oil which all engines do.
nissan or Toyota is the recipe
Sadly that's true! And I love Honda historically... :(
What people don't understand is that every single direct injected engine is more prone to oil dilution. And as well all know, like 99% of all new engines are direct injected. Honda doesn't have an engine issue. They have a computer programming issue. The 2019 models have been retuned at the factory to warm up quickly and minimize blowby. They best thing you can do is minimize idle and just turn the key on and drive asap. That is the fastest way to warm the engine. Also, don't go by the maintenance minder computer for oil change intervals. Change it every 5k to 6k miles. A few quarts of oil and a filter are cheap peace of mind and will prolong your engine life. Lastly and sadly, new vehicles have become part of the throw away society in which we live. Fridge is broken? Don't call for repairs. It's cheaper to buy a new one. The same with cars. They are no longer built to last 300k miles. That ship has sailed. But you can buy time by staying on top of maintaining the engine.
Hey Spencer! Thanks for the comment. Even though I have built motors I was still a little surprised at the issue with direct-injected motors. And yes I totally agree; I am very aggressive on my oil changes. On any of my cars/bikes. It's cheap and easy, and does a world of good...
And totally I hear you; after 5 years all of my appliances in my kitchen blew up or died. Drives me nutty... Thanks for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it! -Brad
If I had kept my Honda direct injection gasoline/oil mixing junker, I would have went old school, every 3000 miles or less for oil changes, even with synthetic oil!
guess you've never heard of toyota.
Unless it's a Toyota with the dual fuel injection system, Direct and Port injection
Spenser Hawk I bought a 2018 Accord Touring with the 1.5 Turbo about 3 months ago. I was unaware of this issue at the time. Do you think if I took it to the dealer the will do the software change to make it warm up quicker to mine as well. I do notice it takes a very long time to warm up compared to other cars I have drove. I start it in the mornings for the maximum 20 minutes allowance on the app and then drive it 10 more minutes before it’s warm. The other cars I’ve driven wouldn’t even be started in the morning and I drove for 5 minutes and it was warm.
Sigh.. Wanted an ex. Guess I'm going with a sport
Sorry man. Honestly such great cars otherwise. Such a shame. Best of luck with whatever you end up with! Thanks for watching! -Brad
@@BradOnCars ended up with 2020 corolla le after learning about oil dilution in civic engines as I strongly considered one.
You need oil catch can and that is not 100% fix but there will be around 80% from the problem solved because you need also some reprogramming to complete the 20% so you have 100% solved the problem and have a great day🌹😃 . " Pro you have nice car just understand it".
Simple solution. Buy the camry.
Honda really screwed up..with the cvt
Just plain unacceptable for a company like Honda and unfair to its loyal customers. People spend 40K on their CRV Tourings to discover this? How does a major problem like this does not get detected? I mean engines are not developed overnight.
I did not buy that car because of the oil dillusion.....also.i hate cvts tranmissions..
These 2 factors have hurt honda sales of the accord....I bought a 21 camry..
Happy with my decision...honda has screwed up on accord
I took my new 2020 Civic non-turbo LX in to see my mechanic who took care of my 2,000 Civic for 20 years, and he told that he definitely smelled gas, but the gas mark wasn't above the orange plastic at the bottom of the oil dipstick, and that I haven't driven my car enough to damage the engine. He recommended that I keep an eye on the oil dipstick, and the moment it went above the orange plastic of the oil dipstick, to take it in to get my oil changed. I guess that's the only way I'm going to stay ahead of this curve, is to not give the gas a chance to mess up my engine. He told me that any business like Walmart who changes oil should use a Full synthetic oil that matches up with Honda's oil, that it is an industry standard, if it says "Full Synthetic." And, Walmart charges less than 50.00 for a Full Synthetic oil change. So that's what I'm going to do. If it costs me 200.00 dollars a year to change my car's oil 4 times, say every 3 months, it's worth it. I recommend that owner's of new Honda's check their car's oil right away, for level and smell...or check it before you even buy the car for more peace of mind, and then decide if you want to deal with this problem if it does reek of gas.
What? Lx is not di
Any Honda stamped with "Earth Dreams" on its engine has a Direct Fuel Injector Engine...it sprays gas right into the cylinder. Old School is Out, and Earth Nightmares for Honda customers who buy new Honda's are in, with or without the turbo. I have no turbo and my cap and dipstick reek of gas, and I live in Hot South Texas.....Hi today, 78 Degrees and sunny.
You can't go by smell, go by level. But if it makes you feel better have the oil analysed. I'd honestly bet you're perfectly fine. And also this is a direct injection problem, your engine is port injected.
I hope so, Ryan, I'm keeping an eye out.
@@texashsad Best of luck to you man, hope you enjoy the car. I wouldn't worry about it too much if I were you.
Funny how much misinformation gets floated around the internet. My 2017 Civic turbo has had no oil dilution issues in three full years of ownership. None. No increase in the sump level. No gasoline odors in the oil or interior. No drivability issues. Nothing, nada, zippo.
That's good to hear! Frankly I am sad it's an issue at all. I love Honda. My S2000 has been bulletproof for 180 000km! When I was a kid I thought my 1990 Integra would have lasted forever!
Thats great I just bought a 2017 Honda civic sport and I love it..its certified pre owned with warrantys and all had it two weeks and i'm worried..I checked the oil and it looks good as was changed at the dealer two weeks ago..I guess I should keep an eye on it. I bought the Honda because reliability etc and now this so hopefully its good..
Brad On Cars My first new car was a 1990 torino red Acura Integra coupe. That car was low and handled like a beast
I have 2017 Civic Sport and my oil smells like gas..it has 20k on it and I just bought it..I hope I can get it worked out I love the car its beautiful and drives like a dream.
Don't buy this car with this engine. It is the worst engine Honda has built.