We were SCAMMED on eBay Hatching Eggs
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- čas přidán 15. 01. 2024
- We bought Ayam Cemani eggs on eBay, but there's a problem...
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I think those “bad ayam cemanis” are mystic onyx also know as black diamond chicken They have that blackish red comb they sometimes have yellow on them and MOST IMPORTANTLY THEY HAVE 5 TOES AND HAVE MOSTLY BLACK it makes a lot of sense because I got some at my local tractor supply and they were only 5 bucks so the scammers can easily make a quick buck
Came here to say the same. I currently have 6 mystic onyx chickens. Minus one roo, they're my sweetest chickens I have
It really makes it even worse, They selling them as wrong
😂😂 they’re mutts and they got y’all paying high dollar for “mystic onyx” The labradoodle of chickens😂😂
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@@marymacnicol3038 if your looking for black breeds Jersey Giants, Ayam Cemani, Black Copper/Mystic Maran are all good options. However one of my favorite breeds is Silkies. They are fluffy, have five toes and come in a variety of colors (including black) but they also have black skin, meat, bones, and organs!
You really should be calling out ebay sellers like this, they have an obligation to not deceive you.
Yes, and it would spare others from getting scammed.
Exactly, not calling them out lets them keep scamming others, there's no logic in protecting the one who scammed you.
its not scamming its how genetics work. they cant "guarantee" its going to be fully all black. its an egg, how are they supposed to know. genetics dont work that way and say "okay every aspect is going to be exactly what you want".
There are dominate and recessive traits that will come through if luck does not match up
@chrism7067 and using your logic if two white people reproduce but a mixed baby is born its genetic? I wanna make sure your simple explanation wasn't flawed in any way.
@chrism7067 - 5 toes is a trait of Silkies.
If they are quality stock sold for show quality price, they should have all the traits required & should be guaranteed. But if all or most have undesirable qualities it's inferior stock. To advertise that you have show quality, require the higher price, & not deliver, is wrong.
You should tell us the name of the eBay company. So we don’t get scammed
That's doxing and it's against terms of service unless your ssssniperwolf and CZcams let her go
The names eBay eBay is abay
@@toastymctoast420it’s not doxxing, it’s a company.
@@M0LD3DB0N3Swhy not if it’s worked before?
@@masonspaulding6278 well that’s a good reason lmao.
I bought Cemani eggs from a local breeder. I was able to take a look at all their birds and watched him gather the eggs from their boxes for my order. He was so kind and his birds were absolutely beautiful. When I hatched the eggs I only got three pure black birds out of two dozen eggs, 16 of which hatched. His birds seemed perfect, but there were still issues with feather and comb color like you have. No extra toes on mine though.
Also, I have a kitty named Cookie, too! 😂❤
Nice!
All the birds had it?
@@CC-fo7tr out of the 16 that hatched 13 ended up having color on their feathers and/or comb. Only three turned out completely black like they should. 😔. His stock looked like they were good, but the outcome of the chicks shows that his stock doesn't have good genetics for the breed. Or that at some point a different breed was added. 🤔
If they blocked you and they knew very well review time would run out by the time they hatched and grew I think its safe to say you can put their name out there to prevent others from being ripped off. They knew there was something wrong with the stock or they wouldn't have blocked you. Its disappointing when your expecting a good stock. I only ever ordered Serama hatching eggs from EBay once and I got 50% hatch rate 2 stopped developing half way 1 had no issue hatching and one needed help and has a slight tail deformity most likely from being shrink wrapped and me not assisting fast enough. They are my indoor babies I plan to order more form her Just because 50% hatch rate on Seramas is rare.
I do want to add that I'm part of a few flipping and other eBay seller groups on Reddit. Their mantra almost unanimously is to "block everything." Many will go so far as to block you if you have ANY questions pre-purchase. They have a very pro-block culture. My first thought was that the seller figured this was a buyer trying to get a refund and blocked. However, bad business is bad business and if you can't deal with the aftercare for things you sell that take months to grow, you shouldn't be welling it on eBay, regardless of eBay's review and refund policies. If someone has an issue with your product and they try to tell you, without asking for a refund or return, and you don't listen even for your own benefit: publish the username of the seller. They are simply going to either scam or snub other buyers, too.
@@ElysetheEevee I also sell on eBay and other platforms like Amazon. There is a huge difference between Buyers and Sellers comparing both platform.
eBay is like a Flea market, price tend to by much lower than Amazon for the same products, but quality of service is all over the place.
Amazon is a much more strict platform to sell on, HOWEVER, that translate to higher maintainence fee to run a store. Higher return rate, more complaints, more time dedicated to Customer Service, etc... so many sellers needs to charge more for the same product most of the time.
Sometimes Buyers should just have to do their own research and expect to get what they pay for.
You should look into Black Diamond Chickens. I think that might be what you were actually sent instead of Ayam Cemanis. (If you addressed this before, I didnt catch it) I bet that scammer counts on them looking Ayam Cemani enough at hatch so by the time you see the issues, its too late.
Good info.
Black diamonds lay brown eggs, not cream eggs.
maybe there a cross, like if the breeder got some "fake" chickens
actually I have black diamonds and they lay white eggs for some reason but they have an orange tint
@@sophiatran5470 - So is that what they are? With 5 toes?
Lots of scammers on cactus seeds too. They take so long to grow, by the time you know what you have, it's too late.
For the aviary trees are the most natural shelter that blocks most of the snow closer to the base. But that’s only if you want a more natural look, the more effective option is obviously wooden shelters
trees will also serve to shield the birds from hawks and other aerial predators!
since there's going to be a mesh covering the entire aviary, I don't think aeral preditors are going to be much of a problem. But I like the way you think@@windyface9383
The avariy is going to have a netted covering over it.
@@rezotydnicyea but trees will at least simulate a covering, even if it's fake trees
@amberthepuppeteer of course they would/will. But I was responding to comment about protecting their birds from 'overhead predators' which is not an issue with the netting.
Showing us the name of the eBay company isn’t doxing them, it’s an honest business transaction review!!!
So sorry to hear you were scammed. It happens every now, and then on all kinds of merchandise being sold. Showing the site, and blocking the name gave an insite on the person/persons. I'm sure they blocked you, and have changing their site info.
Typical modus operandi for scammers. Your aviary looks beautiful. I'm looking forward to seeing your birds in there down the road.
Y'all stay warm, and safe!
Thank you, Sandy!
@@whitehouseonthehill You're welcome!
Yea I agree❤
It happens
Weirdly
- Also four breeds, Lincolnshire Buff, Houdan, Faverolles and Meusienne, are believed to have one common source of the fifth toe, the Dorking breed.
What a great life you are giving your children. My mother remarried when I was nine and prior to that we lived in an apartment. Her new husband owned a farm, family farm with 3000 acres. I now had to learn to be a farm kid and it was the best! Climbing the new hay in the barns and once falling from the top with the hooks in hand and hitting the ground below on my back. Lucky for me the hooks went behind me and there was plenty of hay on the floor to help my fall, lol. I raised pigs for 4H, learned to plant potatoes and carrots and crochet. None of which I did very good at, lol. But it was a good life and one I'd not trade! I know the rooster isn't pure, but he sure is handsome.
Wow I envy you! My family did that in reverse. We grew up on Grandad's farm until I was about 8 years old. He had 3 years of drought so he sold the farm & it became a golfcourse and housing complex. I always mourned the loss of that great life we had on the farm, with many adventures like you had!
@brendaann727 there are food crops you can farm in droughts that probably more profitable. I know a guy up the road that switched to fir trees and he is trippling his profits from his other crops. But depends on where you growing too.
@@williamlaprarie3007 -Good to know, thanks! Fir trees may have done well there, many grew wild in the woods.
The offer to buy the farm literally came out of the blue, & Grandpa was thinking of the best way to provide for his descendants. It did provide for us, he was trying to do what he saw as best, but our way of life was totally changed. I would love to be there still had he kept the farm.
@@brendaann727 they are planting them so they can harvest each separate field for 7 consecutive years. They made almost 400k of one rotation. they sell hay and rye in the gaps. on the back 40 acres.
@@williamlaprarie3007 -Wow, sounds like the plan is working!
It’s eBay…of course you were scammed… and further, PayPal helped them. I wouldn’t go near either of them. Scam is synonymous with eBay.
I love your channel so much. You share whatever is happening; the good, the bad, the ugly, and the joyous. And whenever it is bad or ugly, you show your solutions and treatments. And when it is good and joyous, you share how you did it. Thanks a Million WHOTH.
Now age 76 yrs, I once bought a hen with five toes. That was 63 years ago. I have since heard that this occurs when cross breeding from silkys. When i think back to my childhood experiences, i remember that the breeder, did have silkys and pheasants of many kinds. May God bless you and your family. Frank Australia.
Yay! So glad to see you post today! I love your channel, your family and your pets. You have a beautiful life and it comes thru in such an amazing way. God bless you all in all your hard work and everything you do.
The smiles on your boys’ faces at the end is so heart warming. What a nice way to end the sad video ❤
My grandchildren have a kitty named Cookie also. I so love seeing your children grow. Thanks you guys for sharing them with us all.
You are such a great family, I love how you play with your kids. Your birds and animals are awesome. Thank you for the quality information regarding the birds.❤
Thank you for sharing! Always enjoy your channel!
There is a comercial breed named “mystic onyx” it was made with silkie and selected for dark skin. They look a little like Ayams. The roosters have gold or red leakage like your male. They have the extra toe like silkies. Sometimes they have a slight crest like silkies
Alot of ebay saler don't expect about complaints from previous customers cause not much will complain if they got scammed. Glad to see you do the opposite and hopefully the saler will STOP
I must say that your edit, content and the overall quality of this video is award worthy!!! Outstanding job! This is a new hobby for us. I enjoyed your video so much. Truly amazing music!!! ❤❤❤
Love how involved your kids are in each video!
That roo looks just like one of my mystic onyx roosters. They're good birds, a silkie hybrid. I find them to be a decent dual purpose bird. The roos are mild tempered, the hens are sassy in a humorous way. Mine at least are laying fairly well first winter, no supplemental light and regular ration with a bit of scratch veggie scrap. 👍
Wow...I am so thankful, here in Las Cruces, NM, this Cold-Front skirted right past us...today was a nice 54 Degrees!
What a wonderful and adventurous way to live! ❤ You are truly blessed!!
So sorry about your eggs from Ebay. Some people can be so mean. It looks really cold out. The children and Dad enjoying sledding is a nice treat to see. It brings back wonderful memories for. me. I prey for the best God can give for you and your beautiful family. 😊❤🙏⛄🌨✝
Thank you for sharing your experiences with us
My neighbor used to spray the snow with water at night so that it would freeze on the hill. You want to talk about fast sledding! It was the best.
You were sold Mystic Onyx instead of Ayam Cemani. Mystic onyx is a cross between Silkies ( extra toes) and a meat type bird. Sorry that happened to you.
I never buy eggs on eBay or any other unknown entity, it is so easy to be scammed . Years ago when I started, I made that mistake. This is not to say I am not bought eggs using the mail. Talking to other members of my chicken club, I get recommendations. In the last few years, I’ve only bought eggs from my neighbors and locally.
So great to see you having fun!
I was thinking about you are your family yesterday when I saw an ad in my local sales group for emu eggs! I can't believe they're laying up here in ontario, we just got a foot of snow over the weekend! -22c overnight with the windchill.
It’s wonderful to see that you all are thriving in the cold weather!❤️❤️
I really enjoy watching your videos
Happy to see you and the boys. Thanks for the Ebay info on sellers actions. Buyers beware.
Here in Hawaii were freezing at 57°!! Id die in 10 ° love your channel. Cant wait to see what you guys come up with for the aviary shelters.
Thank you for sharing this information. I've been looking at those eggs on ebay. I was getting ready to buy them.then your video popped up.
Snow fun! This is a very interesting video, thanks.
Always something going on ❤ loved seeing the joy in the kids faces in the snow ❄️
Well that was just lovely, felt like i 'went home'... This is what normal life should be. Well done Sir, I salute your manliness raising such a beautiful family and homestead.
Love seeing the children having so much fun sliding brings back memories of when I was there age ❤❤
My Ayam Cemani’s I love! I have used the same seller with both of my hatches. I think I was lucky. On top of the numerous brooders I have, I was blessed with two roosters. They are the best roosters I have ever had! You originally motivated me to add them to my flock! Thank you and I am glad you are getting some more that will be high quality.
It's frustrating as the buyer and the seller sometimes. I only raise one breed of chicken that I've had for years. I've sold some eggs where someone claimed that they all were infertile. Later as I dropped off replacements they told me that the breaker flipped and the incubator was off for a day and half. I've also had people accuse me to selling them mutts instead of purebreds and when they send me the picture it was not my birds. Wrong comb, wrong legs, wrong color. Again, I find out as I supply replacements on my dime that they were hatching several dozen eggs from a half dozen sources.
Now I only sell started birds. It sucks because it's more expensive all around but it wasn't worth the stress.
Just don't give them replacements??? If you know it was a buyer error why would you replace them?
Not sure I would buy eggs off of eBay. There are plenty of breeders that will be recommended on your local FB chicken site.
So raw and beautiful pice of content.
Thanks for sharing
Give Cookie a hug for me, recently had a cat was 17 with the same name pass away recently. Glad to know another kitty shares her name.
Good to see this farm still is doing well :)
Love this vid!!!!!!🎉
Can you show us more exotic birds?????????
Try and stay warm. It is getting cold down here in SC, looking at 30 ish degrees over the next couple of days and we are getting plastic up on our coop and getting waters plugged in so the water does not freeze.
Oh gosh - that is unfortunate. Hope y'all can find some good ones soon.
I LOVE their green colors
I was thinking about you guys!!!
We had a day last winter that was like -10 and I tried to keep all my chickens inside the coop but my two youngest roosters escaped and I tried to catch them but they kept running and when I used a fishing net they flew away into the woods and didn't come back until that night and they had frostbite in their combs real bad and one lost his entire comb and when they started warming back up blood started pouring out of their combs, they did seem to recover but I eventually sold them and hope they have a good home.
Love your videos,,,reminds me of my youth in PA,,we had chickens,,and being MY chore,,I fed and watched them,,cut grass ,weeds,for them,,wild berries etc,,fruit not good for us to eat,,,,the most yellow orange yolks,,,
Hi guys ,the Pond looks beautiful 😍.
That's unfortunate that you can't trust anymore🥴.
Is Bamboo sitting on the eggs this time?
Super cool sledding hill🎉
No emu egg sitting yet.
This video couldn’t have come at a better time. I was just thinking about getting some hatching eggs. Also, I love these videos
Thanks!
Nooice! 😎 STOC we have been blessed to hatch a few Cemanis and hope to breed them
Great video!
Have fun love the video
Sorry to hear unfortunately this stuff happens and u don't know till they grow and show they aren't what u were trying to get and buy
Exactly that why he should say who the seller is and help other people but he would rather protect a scammer then the people that make him money by watching these videos he’s no better then the scammer
you made my day thank you
Your kids got it made! I love the sledding clips. The rooster with the 5-ish weird toes and white mixed is sure is a beauty and cool looking guy. Maybe he and the younger one thats getring some white now could be purchased by a backyard chicken keeper who just needs a good rooster and likea their looks. The ither full black roosters may sell too, not for as much as a full Ayam Cemani chicken but you never know. Some people just want eggs and to hatch some of yheir own chicks. I do appreciate your honesty, always. I also love that you and Becky are trying to raise, hatch and sell pure breed chickens, and I understands why it is important especially with your more rare and almost extinct breeds. I applaud you for this greatly. As always, thanks for sharing, stay warm and take care!
I do appreciate those who raise pure breed chick's and love seeing them. All of my chickens would be considered a barn yard disaster, kinda a little bit of every thing. Always like Christmas surprise to see what color combinations etc. I end up with! I give them the love & care they deserve whatever, and they have never refused to help dispose of my kitchen vegetation waste & etc. always rewarding me with eggs & helping control insects. Apparently, like myself, they could care less that they are all mixed up. Just my opinion.....
People aren't honest now a days and especially for rare birds its a massive gamble. Ebay sellers {Not all} Can lie and send eggs that are from other breeds and just get away with it. Its very infuriating for breeders. I've always had luck with a local Feed store in my town. Sometimes local sellers are safer.
Wow, you have some interesting chicken!
Thank you for sharing your birds with the world 😊
So nice of you
What a fun way to grow up. Great job Mom and Dad.
Best wishes for you and your family
Good memories being made sled riding with Dad. ❤
So much room to have fun !! 😊
I think a gazebo would look really nice in your aviary and for the pond you could have a bridge go across it, and trees would definitely be a nice addition
Woooow!!!! Beautiful birds!!! I’m actually in the process of trying to get a few of those myself!! They are a bit expensive but I want them
I wonder if their are black peacocks that would be amazing to add to the breeding season 😊
Everything looks great on your farm 😊
😊 Can't tell if Joey or the kids are having more fun with the sledding!
yea i bought a $900 refurbished car wheel off ebay that said "PERFECT"... when i got it there was the biggest road rash scar. not even fixed, it was like the "fix" they used just fell off. ugh
I work for a major retailer that is getting chicks in the end of January here in my region. We are getting a lot of negative feedback about it being too early. Which brings me to my point.
If it’s too early for chicks then please do not make the purchase, and if you do decide to buy, please keep them indoors or in a warmer location that is not exposed to the extreme temps. They will grow fast and generally chickens are very hearty birds. (We are located at the edge of inter mountain and high plains geographically)
I really enjoy your content and love the way you present.
I would also love to have you do a video about taking care of your birds with the cold that just came through.
Same thing happen to me but with Jersey Giants. Had a rooster from the hatch that obviously had some red and very small genetics mixed in
I am pretty sure that's a black diamond according to mine since they have an orange tint with their plumage. Ayam cemani's are a tiny bit different
Man, I am so sorry for you guys! I have a question so are you guys going to move the other peachicks with the others?
- ⚠️ Four breeds, Lincolnshire Buff, Houdan, Faverolles and Meusienne, are believed to have one common source of the fifth toe, the Dorking breed.
Oh my goodness that’s so much fun sledding with the kids. I miss those days only because I’m 67 years old. I don’t think it’s a wise idea to be sliding down a big hill at my age. It’ll be fun but I might feel it for a few days afterwards.😂😂😂
I've seen so many of these on Ebay and it really makes me not want to purchase any! We'll see what I decide to do in the summer, as I am hoping to hatch some out!
A lot of people don't know that cemanis were originally bred from silkie stock to get the black skin/meat. Every once in a while you'll have a line of cemani that produce silky traits. You can usually see at hatch if they have feathers on their feet. These feathers do fall off the first week generally, so you have to stay on top of it. You can also see at hatch if they'll have 5 toes. Bear in mind the fifth toe is sometimes obscure, a second claw at the end of the back toe, a minor split at the tip of the back toe, you have to really check the bird sometimes to see it. Buff is the most dominant color and will try to bleed through, so you can sometimes get the coloring on the first bird you showed. That doesn't always show until maturity so feet come as first indicator. Since cemani was bred from silky you can also get lines with the frizzle gene. Frizzle cemani are often popular because it's so rare, but it can happen. I'm not making excuses for your seller, they handled the whole situation wrong and are probably not interested in culling their chicken that is causing issues in the offspring. These things can happen randomly because genes and traits happen randomly so be aware, no matter who the seller is or how good their stock typically is.
Wow stay safe in this extreme cold.
It's mixed with a rustic Rambler I have the same rooster
I saw someone recommend planting trees and I thought would add! I grow plum trees in our coop and eat some and the rest falls for the birds or attracts bugs!
A novel idea would be to start planting the aviary asap so you have cover and plants in there for them to feel safe and have visual barriers.
Maybe start watching some Garden Answer and start planting some natives or Asian plants ...maybe make that an Asian garden.
I think you should have gazebo in your aviary and maybe a bridge for your pond and some trees
Jake I remember you have an issue a while ago on eBay.
Very kind of you for not putting them on blast, but at the end of the day, the only way to stop them from continuing their misrepresentation of their product they will continue to mislead honest people like us
That’s not kind because of him not doing that guess what that allows them to keep scamming people so that makes him part of the scam for protecting them just like if me and you were together and i killed someone and you were there but didn’t tell them who I was to protect me guess what that gets you a murder charge so now tell me would you take the charge or start screaming my name? Same concept very kind what a joke the blocked him meaning they know they are scamming people it wasn’t an accident
The quality of ebay has taken a major hit. Ebay is unregulated and getting out if control.
the hen most likely will also carry the color leakage. they do not show it as easily as the roosters but will pass it on.
the extra toe points toward silkie blood having been mixed in.
eBay sellers also do this with altering on plant pictures their colours to make them sell more even though the seeds will grow regular plants.
That’s too bad. He seems like an otherwise nice rooster and might make a happy addition to someone else’s mix breed flock. I have a couple “Fibro project” birds (with Svart Hona bloodlines, a very similar breed) one is the original all-black purebred and the other is a black-skinned with blue feathers (I believe her blue coloring comes from one Sapphire Gem grandparent). Both are very interesting birds with black-black skin. Excellent temperament though a little timid in new situations. I love seeing your birds! ❤
Bet they are happy you have those coops
Still need to make a complaint on ebay, if you can't change the review. Sad for the chicken. That ebay breeder doesn't care about truth. Gorgeous pond. ❤ No solar heaters?
Exactly that’s why he should have said who it was to keep others from getting scammed but he would rather protect a scammer making him just as bad
Maybe you should do a little nature style log den around the pond! I think it would be cool.
We r south & east of KC a bit. Cold cold cold. Hard to think how i used to feed all the critters!
Your an amazing farm handler
One of the reasons why I miss getting stuff from the store. It's too easy to be scammed on the internet nowadays. It's like as the saying goes, if it looks too good to be true, it probably is.