The Retro Chip Tester Pro does it all (Review)
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- čas přidán 24. 06. 2024
- Keeping old computers running can sometimes be a difficult task due to the fact old chips fail. Having something that can quickly test the myriad of chips on in these old computers would be really helpful in keeping these machines alive. This device promises to do just that, watch to find out if it delivers.
0:00 Intro
0:53 Product Intro
6:27 Construction done
8:19 First power up
10:11 Some actual chip testing
10:56 Fixing the dim screen issue
14:23 Testing a 1mb SIPP memory module
25:34 Dumping a C64 cart
32:40 Testing a C64 PLA
33:41 Dumping Intel 1702A EPROMs
39:20 Conclusion
--- Video Links
SMMC 00014 where I unbox the Retro Chip Tester Professional:
• 0014 It'll be a lot of...
Retro Chip Tester Professional
8bit-museum.de/rct
You can buy the boards from the creator directly: (see link above, price as of Dec 2021)
Comes with the PCB pre-assembled, MPU, a DC/DC board and a micro USB for about $40
UK seller Retro Lemon is also a reseller: (Feb 2023)
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Elenco Electronics LP-560 Logic Probe:
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Hakko FR301 Desoldering Iron:
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Rigol DS1054Z Four Channel Oscilloscope:
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Head Worn Magnifying Goggles / Dual Lens Flip-In Head Magnifier:
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TL866II Plus Chip Tester and EPROM programmer: (The MiniPro)
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TS100 Soldering Iron:
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EEVBlog 121GW Multimeter:
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DSLogic Basic Logic Analyzer:
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Magnetic Screw Holder:
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Universal ZIP sockets: (clones, used on my ZIF-64 test machine)
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RetroTink 2X Upconverter: (to hook up something like a C64 to HDMI)
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Plato (Clone) Side Cutters: (order five)
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Heat Sinks:
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Little squeezy bottles: (available elsewhere too)
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--- Links
My GitHub repository:
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--- Instructional videos
My video on damage-free chip removal:
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--- Music
Intro music and other tracks by:
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That's really a fantastic device. It has a spot permanently on my workbench as well and I find myself often reaching for it. Glad you liked it! Great video too. I never saw the C64 cartridge dumping before, so that was neat 👍
Yeah I watched your video on this thing and was pretty envious of how cool it is! I really recommend building up the #4 DC-DC and then powering it with a USB power bank. Then you can carry it around the house to do testing while watching TV!
Can it test a DIP28 2 channel floppy drive controller?
It'd be interesting to see how chips fail tests on that tester, as I recall, you do have a fairly hefty bucket of bad chips.
Had the same thought .. especially since I'm seriously considering getting one of these testers.
Yep I was hoping he'd get out the dead parts box and test a few, especially some junk MOS chips :D
Same here. I kept thinking "grab the bad ROM from xxxxx video". Maybe in the next video.
@Mr Guru It would have been interesting just to confirm that it doesn't always report 'ok'.
@Mr Guru likely, but it would have still been interesting (to me and apparently a few other people) to actually see it detect a fault in one of the known broken chips. I know nothing about actual hardware. In a game where you build CPUs from NAND gates I've designed plenty of components that passed all the tests and still contained bugs :-)
Really enjoyed the time lapse, it's crazy how much content you have to strip to make it digestible, it's super appreciated though, I'm thrilled you have some awesome fans.
Pretty cool device. It would have been nice to see some ICs pulled from dead parts bin to show the results of testing a known bad part.
You almost sounded like a kid in a candy store! It's a really good feeling when you can confirm all the parts you've been storing for years, are either good or bad, and reorganize your inventory accordingly! Nice job...
That was a good point on benefiting from a serial interface. Most "real" test equipment supports control and automation though a standard inteface but I haven't seen that kind of feature in "homebrew" stuff.
Well done Adrian! Amazing work on this project, and now you have a tool you can both admire your handy work making it and something you can use.
Dang, what a fun channel you have! Love longer format videos and very well edited and explained.
OK this is awesome and your video really took me over the edge to pull the trigger on this. Been looking at this for a while now and know it is a mature project. Just put in my order for boards and parts. !! Thanks for your excellent presentation.
I built this device recently and Stephan was amazingly helpful when I had some trouble getting it working. Once it was working it has solved mysterious problems for two of my C64's already! Thank you again Stephan!
I first saw these featured on Noel's Retro Lab. I think it's an amazing concept. I was legit surprised that I hadn't seen them here first, given the number of ICs you work with in your videos. That said, I have a feeling you're going to get quite a bit of use out of this device.
You beat me to it Adrian! I have the parts to build one right here!
I love your videos. I won't pretend to understand everything going on and no doubt will never have the depth of knowledge you do. However you present these in a way I always learn something and fill in gaps of my knowledge. Your videos have a calming effect and I'm always glued to what your presenting. You don't show off, just show what's happening. Looking forward to your next video. You must inspire lots of people to start new projects or pick up where they left off with an old one. I dont watch TV anymore, but if it had content like this I would be square eyed. Thsnkyou for making these videos with the passion you do.
I saw you using it in one of your other videos, I was so excited that I looked for it, and ended up buying the PCBs. The developer is really a nice guy and responded very quickly. I'm looking forward to put it together, probably as a Christmas holiday activity.
Thanks Adrian. Reading up on this, it supports a good range of logic chips, I'm going to look into getting one of these.
the video thumbnail perfectly represents my reaction when I realized he hasn't given up on the Model II yet - great work, Mr. Black! I hope you'll get it up and running again
Bravo! I don't know where to start. I love this project and what it can do. I loved watching the build part of the video. It can serve as inspiration for project folks to commit to a build like this (knowing it can be done with careful planning).
The chip/testing, analysis, programming, etc was interesting but WAY above my current needs. However the tricks and tips on assembly . . that I can use immediately. A very informative video. Also I am convinced you have never thrown away an IC in your life :)
Thanks for sharing the build, it was very interesting to watch.
very great device!! Thanks for reviewing it so intensive. Specially the 1702 part I liked a lot 😉. Cheers, Peter
I just built my own, thanks to you covering the versatility of this little gadget! Quite a useful project!
My fav tech channel strikes again. I really love your videos, even me will never use these PCs and gadgets I like to watch to learn aomething more about it.
Not sure where to post this so I'm doing it here, but your videos have reactivated my inner retro geek. Have been so far just playing with old OS's from my past career in VM. Hoping to start collecting older components and systems so I can play with the real thing.
Such a great tool. Kudos to the designer! What a ton of work.
I want one of these for my bench! Thanks for letting us know that it exists!
Great video. World have loved to see you test some of you bad chips from your bad parts box
Tank you. I have been looking for something like this for a year 😊
Btw your videos are great 🤓
Great device Adrian! Very cool!
Your and Noel's video about the RCT convinced me to build it, too. Now I was able to test some RAM chips, just to find out, I've bought some defective ones... :/ ... But the build was a pleasure and great fun. Thanks for giving some insights about the EPROMs, too...
Seriously useful bit of kit, lot of excellent features for retro computing
this thing was a pleasure to build, as I had most of the parts in my various bins, and it works really well. the designer does very frequent updates to the software, adding support to more and more parts. it found that a bunch of my suspect DRAM parts were toast.
I'm so excited to see this used for the TRS-80!
What a beautiful tool. Like you, I really had no way to test dRAM except for putting them into a functioning device.
Your opening is too good. It's like a tasty Halt + Catch Fire episode is about to launch, but on the budget of an 80's highschool AV club. I'm in it now.
Great video of a very impressive piece of kit.
i hope that a lot of good things come to the man who did all the effort and ship you this :D
Although I've seen you use this before, I'm just now watching this video. The fact that this is a privately run project by a hobbyist is amazing. That's an invaluable took and you'd never find anything like it in the manistream.
Awesome! Saved to my "Interesting Tech" playlist.
Thank you! lovely video, very interesting. Thanks for giving me some vicarious geeking on my lunch break. :) (liked and subscribed!)
What an amazing piece of kit!!!
Love my RCT pro. I haven't even explored all the features yet. I have tested several boxes full of chips for friends.
Great video. Been looking for a new project since I finished building my IMSAI 8080 front panel replica and this sounds right up my street.
Tauntek makes an excellent tester for logic ICs which will catch problems most others won't. It also has a very nice user interface which is accessed via a serial console.
Awesome content dude
I don't see the speed as a real issue actually, maybe when you constantly have to use it, which seems unlikely. The support it has is simply amazing. The serial interface would definitely be great to have.
Yeah not many people have 100s of chips to test, yet alone in a row.
To properly test RAM takes a lot of time no matter what, shortening the test would just cause false positives and leave you with an unstable system when you put it to use in a computer.
I wish he'd tested with a few known bad chips too...
Hi Adrian, I have been using this tester for about half a year now, and all I can say it's awesome. Use it a lot with arcade pcb repair and have only found 1 sram ic that wasn't supported. After mailing Stephan, I immediately got a reply and the same day I could test this ic, how is that for support! Can highly recommend this to everyone and I did not even come close to the $200 when building it, maybe slightly over $100.
Regarding the C64 cartridge read, I saw you had both low and high jumpered, this should be EITHER low or high, not both this is why you were getting the different checksums all the time.
Where can I get it ?
@@retro_online6927 It's a kit, you can buy the pcb with arduino chip soldered on from the maker, and then you have to order the parts and build it yourself.
@@patzik1910 I already send email to stephan and replyed to me
Very cheap maybe in total cost for all parts and adaptors with shipping like 150£ but unfortunately the customs in Egypt very high that maybe come to with 400$ fees
Adrian!! As soon as I saw this video, I ordered all the parts and the board. Yesterday, Dec 29th, I finished putting mine together and tested it. Boom! I tested 25 8Kx8 SRAMs and they all worked.
I got board 1.2k with the 5 switches. Also I read programming the Atmel controller. You had mentioned that it seemed slow, but mine is rocket ship fast. I wonder if you might need to check the fuse programming. There’s info in the documentation that mentions that the controller might run at 1 MHz instead of 16 MHz if the fuses are wrong. And I like firmware version 20 very much. Just do a check of the fuse programming and make sure it’s right.
Thanks for a great video and now I’ve got a fantastic tester. Thanks!!
What a brilliant tester. I was hoping you were going to check one or two chips that were bad just to confirm what you already knew. The serial interface would definitely be great
Yes, the tester is really neat. I built mine a few month ago and was also really impressed how good it is :-)
Great episode!
I have absolutely no need for this whatsoever, yet I really what one. Testament to your video. Really enjoyed this, thanks 👍
great video. I am going to get one to try out.
Most of those EPROMs used to be called EEPROMs, because back in the day most EPROMs had to be erased using ultraviolet light, hence the windows and stickers covering them, so later the "Electrically Erasable Programable Read Only Memory" chips did not need a window. There used to be EEPROM erasers that were basically light boxes.
Great video
Nice, thanks for sharing!
A very very very cool device and video. 👍
What a great bit of kit. Got caught out years ago with a 7473 or might of been a 7474 when the LS version had a different function to the basic chip.
Rich... That's the 7473. I repair B&k tube rejuvenators and they run a 7400 and 7473. The 7473 is positive triggered where as the 74LS73 is a negative trigger.
Thanks for this great video. I finally received mine and have it built/firmware uploaded. For some reason the power LED doesn't work so got some investigating to do but I'm really excited to finally have this. I was woundering if you could do a follow-up video on setting up databases on the SD card. Looking forward to getting MAME database setup. I have some arcade PCB's that need fixing.
This is so cool - thanks for reviewing. For reference the UK reseller no longer sells or supports the device.
1:30 - Wow, you soldered in that surface-mount processor SUPER FAST! :)
Okay this thing is pretty darn awesome. I was wondering if it would do PLA chips, seems like it's got a lot of great stuff going for it.
I LOVE IT. THE BEGINNING, 8 BIT VIDEO IN 4K. HAHAHAHA. LOVE THE 1980'S. WHAT'S SAD, I STILL MAINTAIN SOME OF THIS STUFF. BUT WELL BUILT STUFF.
Saw this on NRL a while back. Great device
I might have to get my hands on one of these.
There are two sided pc board holders that has a foam lined lid you can clamp over the board then flip the holder upside down while the parts are being soldered.
neat looking device! The TL866-II PLUS tests a lot of logic chips, but testing DRAM's would be great!
There is also a fixed firmware for the usbasp that lets it program mega2560's BTW
You've got a dead parts bin, don't you? Let's see what happens with some of those!
looks like a great tester
Very nice; I've already sent a request to purchase one.
Awesome device. I hope they offer purchasing pre-assembled versions.
Really neat tester! I have the TL866-II Minipro which (when last I looked) is still supported. It also has a fair bit of testing functionality, and can be used from the computer. Not explored it very far though. Probably should fire it up and have another look! 👍
(late) TL866* does indeed test 74xx TTL, 4xxx CMOS, various RAM and other non-writable ICs
Very nice, I think your mini pro can update the firmware also using the side port
Yay at last a tube tester for ICs👍
It's one heck of a useful device for those eeding to test chips, very advanced bit of kit... :D
The overall design of this device reminds me of this cheap "M-Tester" electronic component tester I have. You can plug just about any basic electronic component in, press one button and it will auto-detect what's plugged in and its value (not accurately). I wonder if a similar auto-detection capability is possible for logic chip families, e.g. instead of selecting 74565 if you could just select 74xx and have it figure out it's a 565. (I doubt this is possible across different families because of the different power connections)
We used something akin to this in the RCAF starting back in the early 90s. The SI-635 Factron, made by Schlumberger.
Me caes bien man eres la banda !😀
gotta love the GERMAN OS Setting in the Document at 18:29 :D :D
That AVR ISP device is a good choice.I've been using one for years.
I was hoping you'd take a RAM chip from the dead parts bin to scare us, like you test it, it fails and only after that you'd admit you actually deliberately tried a known bad RAM chip :)
At the part where you dumped the 1540 chip I was 100% sold on this. Such a cood device!
Watch for an upcoming video of this -- I did end up raiding the dead parts bin.
Something I found with the magnet trays; put it into a sandwich bag. The magnet will be strong enough to hold it through the plastic, but when you're done, flip the bag around and you can remove all the tiny parts in 1 go
I have no need for this, but it seems really cool!
Hi Adrian. I would like to sugest that you change the jumper you made for the LCD to a wire or put a bit o kaptan take below it. It's unlikely but the way it is, with time, it can wear the solder mask of the tracks it pass over and short something.
Here’s (really) is a helpful hint: group your ICs by part #, then you can batch test all the parts with that part # without having to go back-and-forth through the RCTP’s menu system! 😍
Skip the assembly? NO WAY! :)
Okay. Wow. Simply WOW. Test chips, dump binaries ... Amazing. I looked a long time for something like this in the price range < 200£
Loved your video. Can you tell me where you got your plug in sb card module. The ones I find all have an adapter cable with them. Thanks.
Super clean work , well done. As I’m new to electronics as a hobby, please forgive me if this is a stupid question… You use a magnetic hardware tray to stage various components prior to installing on PCB. Will it cause any issues if the wire of individual components, i.e. resistors, diodes, capacitors, etc. become magnetized? I’m assuming it’s possible the wire can become magnetized because you also used a mag tray for your off cuts and they appear to be magnetic. Thanks for time and the great video. Entertaining and uber informative. Thanks again- Jason Burchell
9:15 I have often seen this behaviour with switching regulators; for whatever reason they fail to bootstrap their startup without a much larger than expected current available in the first few micro/milliseconds (and get stuck drawing a lot of current), but once the converter is running they drop down to the expected load. It does make it a bit difficult to test newly built designs like this because you end up needing to provide a lot more current limit on your lab power supply than you'd like, but once you know the cause it's easy to work around it.
A rotary encoder would be a nice addition for chip selection.
@Lassi Kinnunen 81 depending on the speed of response from the device, maybe it would be viable to make a small module that would take care of the rotary encoder and program it to work dependent on rotation speeds by sending fast series of signals the faster you rotate it, like some oscilloscopes/hardware doo-daas do it. If it's not fast enough with responding, then that falls apart.
this is so cool!
I need one of these.
I think a serial port is an excellent idea. That could make it very easy to add to a workflow.
You have the ICSP header already, you could use two of those pins for a serial interface.
That is a great device and I would love one. My small gripe was that you didn't solder all the resistors facing the same way ;-)
Just had a 25 year flashback while looking at the soldering of this PCB. I am tempted to give you some heat for your order of assembly and handling of some components, but who cares as long as it works in the end.
I saw Noels review of this thing too a while back. Looks like around $200 + for everything , not including any adapters, and locating some parts can be a pain. I may wait a bit. Also Adrian, this video alone may cause them to completely sell out of stock of the main board lol. You're going to turn into a Mr. Carlson's lab, where every device you show on video sells out immediately online afterward or the used ebay price goes into orbit... lol
Serial interface was my immediate thought too. There are too many options for just 4 buttons.
This tester seems to be evolving quite nicely. I still think the user interface would have been much nicer if they’d based it on a rotary encoder instead. I also think it’s a pity they didn’t push it out to a full 40pin ZIF interface. Just in terms of future possibility of testing PIA / CIA etc, and also support for bigger Retro EPROM’s (eg. Amiga ROM / 27C400 etc.). Perhaps there was a limitation on I/O pins on their chosen MCU? Finally, it would be good to see a smaller SMD based PCB design, eventually. But, certainly an outstanding effort creating this awesome retro tester so far! Keen to see how it evolves further.
Imagine testing a 64 pin CPU chip, like TMS9900.
@@johndododoe1411 40pin ZIF would cover the vast majority of retro chips. The only 64 pin DIP devices that immediately come to my mind are the TMS9900, as you mentioned, and the Motorola MC68000. Both being CPU’s, which you also wouldn’t typically be trying to test on a device like this.
It was like watching a time-lapse Heathkit build!