Is Kia's EV9 -FINALLY- The 3-Row EV You've Been Waiting For? Almost, & Here's Why...
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- čas přidán 28. 03. 2024
- Making a boxy EV efficient is hard. Making a big, boxy EV efficient and "affordable" is a herculean task and that's why the EV9 stretches the definition of "efficient" and "affordable." What do I mean? Well, if you want the flashy models you've been seeing on the review circuit, they are about $78,000. If you want "300 miles of range"... Well, you won't realistically find it here if you're talking road trip range, but the model with 305 miles of EPA range is going to be quite a bit more expensive than a Telluride at $59,200 plus destination. Ouch. For that you could buy a Leaf AND a Telluride. Price tag aside the EV9 is a great EV, and it has a great deal going for it: it's the roomiest 3-row EV in America excluding full sized vans. But... There's competition on the horizon in the form of Hyundai's own Ioniq 9, the ID Buzz and plenty of others....
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Alex, I have to hand it to you, only an old pro like yourself could sneak a 6.4 Hemi V8 Dodge Durango into an EV review without having anyone notice . 😉😉🤣🤣
I think that is Alex’s personal truck!!
Great video as always. I compared to EV9, R1S, and EX90 (with all info available) and EV9 won out for me. Biggest factor, interior space and car seats. I'm totally happy with the idea that it's basically an EV mini-van because that is exactly what I need. Rivian is cool but nowhere close on interior space and things that matter to me. FYI, i have the GT-Line but you can now get these way under MSRP, FYI.
We just got one about a month ago, same color and trim. We love it. Shop around and you can get a good deal. We got it for $6k under MSRP and over KBB for our trade.
Congrats !!! In canada or the states ?
Yea but how much was it
I will also add that Kia's warranty is insane. I've hard things replaced on my EV6 and it was all covered under warranty. Having that peace of mind full coverage for 5 years and then the drivetrain for 10 year is just unbeatable.
I Test drove this last week I loved the physical ac toggle buttons in the middle. The Other ac controls 14:54 needed a little leaning fwd but already could anchor my fingers on the top part of the screen and use the thumb for accurate touch input all the way across that panel.
18:13 the arm rest padding in the ioniq 5 was PERFECT, DOOR PADDING AND CENTER CONSOLE Padding were SYMMETRICAL, BROAD and ergonomic for driver comfort. No other new Hyundai/ kia / Genesis seems to be focusing on that level of passing any more ? What's going on ?
I find the EV9 very interesting. We are at the point in our lives where we really don’t need a 3 row SUV, but if my kids were very young I would very much consider it. That said, this is a family vehicle and lots of families use their main family vehicle for long road trips. As the current owner of a BMW i4, I am not sure I would want to haul my family 10 hours across 3 or 4 charging stops on a family vacation. It is not that charging stations can’t be found, it is that the quality of those stations, both in terms of charging time and quality/safety of the surrounding area, is an issue. I really would not want to be stuck in a Walmart parking lot with three small kids for 30-45 minutes, 3 or 4 times over a 10 to 12 especially if a decent food and bathroom facility could not be easily and safely accessed.
This is the best and most comprehensive review I have seen so far! Thanks for the great work!!
Just test drove it for the second time, with a month in between to think, and we are pulling the trigger! Just super impressed. Going with the GT line. This is going to be my wife’s primary vehicle and she is not a fan of the Rivian look, so we are in on this one. Btw, you can press the “+” button on the hard to see climate control screen and it will open up a full climate menu on the main screen!
Hello Alex. I think it’s a good time to make a comprehensive guide for people that are new to EV. Maybe thing like what to note when switching to EV, what are some helpful app, etc.
Alex, thank you so much. Your approach to these videos is just perfect. I love all the attention to detail in every point you address. It's clear you really do your homework, even for an off-hand remark (e.g. the insurance cost that you called around to multiple insurers for multiple cars to compare). Your delivery style is excellent: matter-of-fact, clear, concise, and unbiased. You make the whole thing look effortless. Keep up the great work!
Only miss is the swivel-around second row seats. I get that NA regulations likely dictate the way it is, but that’s a big bummer for a limo like experience for back seat passengers.
Excellent review as always. The issue with R1S is the abysmal second row leg room. 36.6” is less than the second row in Mach E. And I’m not even talking about no CarPlay no apps (in a camping focused SUV)…go figure. I know Rivian has a cult following but it’s baffling to me how they’ve just left out some of these things. It drives fine, has lots of tech but not nearly as much customization and quirky tech that EV9 is packed with sans built in dash camera. EV9 was the first larger EUV that impressed me to the core with how it drove. I think the 270-280 mile EPA range is really the only downside of the EV9 AWD trims even though folks are able to get close to 300 miles on road trips in eco mode. The price is gonna come down in a year.
Think you get $5000 cash back on purchases right now. Not $3750 as stated in the video. Plus they have a Kia loyalty $1K benefit. Or the $7500 lease rebate.
This is the one! This is the EV I want to "end up" with. It has everything I want, and isn't godawful expensive. I'm coming for you, EV9.
(also I never noticed the + and - on the accelerator and brake omg)
Been waiting for this one. Another fantastic and well done video!
very good and in-depth review - I really appreciate it Alex!
Kia is really making some nice cars as of lately. The EV9 is a sharp looking suv.
Maybe if you’re 19 and into Anime
@wallbangerzsports
negative,
this is cool,
not 19,
no to anime,
Good job KIA!
The world car of the year. 🎉
Absolutely loving the styling on the EV9, that's a sharp looking car. Interior is awesome as well, where almost all the controls you need are physical.
Great Reviews and EV advice
This was a great review. I’ve been watching ev9 reviews for weeks and this is by far the best one. I went with the EV9 GT over the R1S because it’s about 10 to 15k cheaper. They had 7,500 rebate and I got another 3.5 off of msrp. I also didn’t lease but bought it out right. The only way to get the 7500 credit on the r1s is to lease and I want to own the car not lease.
I really wish they had made the third row three seats, this has all the makings of a perfect XL car for rideshare, but losing a seatbelt makes that much more challenging (and in particular makes you require the 2nd-row bench for it to qualify). By the way I really hope you eventually review the version of this car regular people are actually going to want, which is the RWD long range. I find the obsession people have with high torque to be inane, I like to not have to buy new tires every 5 seconds.
Not for me, commendable but it's just boring since I don't have passengers. The real stunner is that scenic background with the clouds rolling through though!
I asked my Canadian dealer as our Soul EV has 100k km and would love to trade for the EV9, unlike USA Kia, Kia Canada is just not making them available, likely 2 years out, come on Kia Canada, here in BC we have a very high adoption rate for EVs, yet they are making their EV products hard to aquire!
great review as always, car seems nice, but I think the market for $80k EVs is way smaller than the industry may be hoping. Even with the average price of this model around $65k, the depreciation on EVs is pretty severe
You can get one for $60 k does not have to be the top end GT
I traded my EV6 in a couple of months ago and got a Light LR EV9. There's not really much about the GT Line I would want, other than the seat memory and the HUD, and I'd rather have the range. Enjoying it so far. Been on 1 road trip so far. Not too far, about 250 miles each way, but I have several coming up. One in a couple of weeks will be 400 miles each way, and later this summer I'm driving cross country, so about 2100 miles each way. I didn't really get to take advantage of the highway assist on the first trip, almost no interstate travel on that one, but the other 2 I have coming up are almost exclusively interstate. I've loved that feature in the times I've gotten to use it, can't wait to be able to use it on long trips.
Keep up the awesome reviews Alex. You are pretty much my go to source when I'm EV shopping.
Hit the + icon on the little HVAC screen and it expands to the big infotainment display
I have the EV9 GTL and it’s fantastic. Though I did lease it.
Amazing video Alex.
I wish Hyundai developed their air suspension more before abandoning it. I feel it would help vehicles like this punch above their weight, so to speak.
Great review, but no word on the passenger seat, space and trunk space score?
Alex, the shifter is similar to Ioniq5, and re: your "get in and shift to drive" comment, on the Ioniq5 if you use the fob to remote start the car, it does go into "ready" when the fob enters the car and then all you have to do is shift to drive and go
16:47 those side buttons on the front passenger side. .. Q for HMG: why are these missing / OMITTED on the 2024 Hyundai Santa fe, NOT AVAILABLE IN ANY TRIM for the USA region while other global markets have this ??
can this do V2H with the right bidirectional charger? i see a bunch of promotional stuff talking about it from sep 2023 but no one says anything about it.
Looking forward for the real GT🥳
I'm really looking forward to the EX90 because of the air suspension and all the similarities to the Kia EV9. I'm kind of sad that I won't get the much more room offered by the Kia EV9 but I don't want to take my $70k+ EV SUV to a Kia stealership.
Genesis' version of the EV9 is something I am looking forward to seeing (just not the lack of Genesis standalone dealerships). Not sure if the Ioniq 9 will have what the EX90 has (air suspension, LIDAR, etc.). Spy shots show the Ioniq 9 is going to be less practical in the rear so it might be more similar to the EX90.
The LIDAR is the biggest difference and the big question. I'm hoping we'll see Kia/Hyundai/Genesis bring it back on theirs. I am very interested in how Volvo will or will not use LIDAR too since it's part of the reason why the EX90 launch has been botched/delayed so much.
I just can't stand how both the EX90 and EV9 have almost no buttons. I like that the EV9 has a few dedicated buttons for HVAC but they're both in dire need of more dedicated physical buttons.
Stealership? What are you 12? New Volvos ride hard... actually of the Euro SUVs ride hard. KIA / Hyundai / Genesis have far more buttons in their cars then their competition
Alex, thank you. My Mach-E GT lease is up in 2026, and I'm hoping to replace it and our Pacifica Hybrid with a single EV that can comfortably hold 6-7 adults. I was hoping for a new Ford entrant in the category by then, but that looks less likely at the moment. This is my current frontrunner, then, and I appreciate your detailed review.
22:30 ride quality was surprisingly good over sharp speed bumps . I test driven it last week, felt harder than ioniq 5 only in some aspects.
17:43 i think all kia models will have an empty bottom section of the steering wheel
And all Hyundai models will have 3rd spoke right in the middle of the bottom part of the wheel.
All Genesis models will be 2 spoke steering wheel design.
So if that is the trend, i will have no choice, but to opt for kia/ Genesis instead of Hyundai.😢
Why is no one criticizing the need for a two speed transmission for overdrive from 45 to 90 mph like Porsche electric do. I REMEMBER AS A KID RIDING in my aunts 1953 Chevy 6 with two speed power glide transmission, ESSENTIALLY A BIG SLUSH OMATIC TORQUE CONVERTER STARING IN HIGH GEAR AND GOING TO OVERDRIVE AT 45 mph .
Now the these electric motors above 4500 rpm(45 mph) dramatically lose magnetic switching efficiency ( which has a fixed time cycle.) and huge centripetal energy flywheel losses from a heavy rotor ( losses go up as the Cube of the RPM)
Manufacturers do not want you to think about it and know about it and demand an overdrive transmission at 50% shift at about 55 mph.
Long live 18 in wheels and tires ( less centripetal losses) and with high carbon rubber tires to get past 18,000 miles for tires ( I’d-4 experience actual)
The fact that manufacturers are discounting cars as soon as they come out tells me they can just drop the price. Cars are going the way of housing and getting way out of control.
They need to copy features from Carnival and redesign the front and rear in order to make this SUV less toyish. Thank you for the review.
Did you say 50 or 15 minutes on the charge?
Hi Alex, how does it compare to Lexus TX plug in hybrid? Thanks
I sure wish Evie reviews would switch from talking about 10% to 80 or 20% to 80 to the time it takes to add 100 miles of range from best charging condition. That means a lot more to people as far as comparing vehicles.
Hyundai IONIQ 5's dashboard layout is the best of Hyundai KIA group, IMO. They should stick with that design and improve upon that.
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Tesla Model S and Rivian R1 driver display layout is the best layout, IMO.
Truly functional. Beautiful, inherently.
Many other driver display layouts seem trying too hard on the style side of thing, ended up not-so-stylish, not-so-useful, not-so beautiful.
Theres a lot to like about the EV9 but honesty the Rivian R1S is a similar price in upper trims and offers a lot more features - adaptive air suspension, bigger/nicer screens, bigger frunk, better functioning (and free) app with regular software updates, better ground clearance with offroad capabilities.
The EV9 gets a couple things in upper trims the Rivian doesnt, namely a HUD, relaxation seats and the digital mirror.
Overall the interior of the Rivian is just a much nicer looking quality interior as well. It also has significantly better range and performance.
If your comparing this to a durango im assuming its as expensive which puts it off the market for most familys. Also im assuming they're making this for familys haha.
Why no any mention of Gravity?
ID .Buzz is not a competitor to anything. VW isn’t shipping enough units to the US for it to matter.
It’s a novelty that you will see more of in CZcams videos than on the road. Maybe it will draw some people into VW showrooms who will get redirected to the ID.4 when they find out there are none actually available.
I just test drove the Hyundai Santa Fe, and then this Kia EV9, with all the fixins
What struck me was how many parts were shared between the two vehicles: The transmission lever, seat controls, headrests & moonroofs were the same. The Santa Fe drove more softly, because it didn't have 21" wheels on it. EV9 was swift. Sanfe Fe was 4-banging, so just ok. Looks great in green.
Hyundai and kia share platforms and drivetrains, they're basically sister companies. No reason not to share interior bits and pieces.
Will you get the Fisker Ocean? Very attractive price right now?
Wish this was a minivan...
Why is the bottom painted cladding so thick? 😖
I wish it had more seats.
Is that a Forest fire behind you in the valley or mist at 7:05 ?
It’s pollution from the Lithium mine that EVs require to rape the earth of minerals
Mist
This thing screams, wait for the next model year.
Your size comparison is even crazier than the ev9 is expensive. The explorer is on another planet it’s so much bigger than a telluride, you must be growing some special California seeds. Of course something so bonkers would have a 2 row car as bigger than the ev9
I am not a fan of Volkswagen as a brand, but it is kind of nifty, and slightly reminiscent of the old "Microbus." VW reliability id always in question, so I steer clear.
R1S owner here. Only thing missing on the Rivian, from personal experience, is the option for captains chairs in second row. Wouldn't touch aKia or Hyundai with a 100 ft pole, but it's good for people to have options.
Looks like a Volvo from the back.
Awesome, but I’m holding out for that four row.
I'm sorry, but Kia should have targeted this to be about $10k more expensive than the Telluride. Those prices are ridiculous. I understand EV development is currently more expensive, but its not THAT much more expensive. Almost ~$60-80k is insane especially considering the interior looks rather cheap for that price range. But looking at the comments... people are buying them so...
$55k to $75k seems like alot. I think they all just charge $7.5k extra since there is a "tax credit".
I mean I’d take it over a Model X but after testing 15 SUV’s recently I just got turned off to EV’s. Much more expensive with a variety of issues that gas engines don’t have for less money.
I have wanted a VW Microbus for 15 or more years but now with it being BEV only and with the likely cost similar or higher than this EV9 it’s just a no go.
Got an Outback Wilderness for $39k.
Nice, I also just picked up an Outback Limited for $36k. The EV market continues to look promising but there's no way I will be an early adopter just yet. Hybrids and plug-in hybrids will dominate for the next decade!
Man that thing looks as wide as a U-Haul in the inside.
I wonder what the actual comparison is
Rivian R1S is no competition for the EV9, why? One doesn't have to worry about what happens if the car company that made your car goes bankrupt. In the case of Rivian, this is a real concern, in the case of Kia/Hyundai, there is no risk of bankruptcy. I just don't want to take that risk, and don't think consumers should be asked to bear that risk.
Right off the bat I like the look, don’t need that three row seating though. Can’t wait to laugh out loud at the cost.
Durango FTW - The price difference will buy a ton of fuel for adventures.
My biggest issue with the EV-9 is the software, also the startup of the car is so cumbersome and route planning is terrible for an EV.
I kind of wish Hyundai/Kia moved away from the drab gray interiors. They can do very nice looking interiors so it's super disappointing to see them go with gray on gray on more gray for their interiors. As press vehicles, you think they would use a color that looks more attractive on camera.
Once the 1000 mile range EV battery hits the market, every EV currently on the market is going to see a steep price decrease. I'd still get the EV9 but only to lease.
Quirky.
That Durango just looks sleek and sexy lined up in front of the Kia .....🔥🔥
Price needs to come down $5k-$10k on all trims. IMO.
I am sure size-wise the EV9 is efficiently laid out but with those wheels and the rest of what I see, outside and inside, it's not an attractive looking vehicle. There's no accounting for taste I guess
What a move on Kia’s part when EVs are facing a sales slump.😆
The interior materials are not up to snuff for a vehicle approaching $80K!
Why even bother with FB? FB is dying. Take questions in CZcams's [Community].
FB is dying? I think it’s holding steady with pretty high user engagement figures over the past 5-6 years.
Probably one of the ugliest vehicles I have ever seen. Only thing uglier is the Tesla Cybertruck.
Just wait two years for a big discount.
Their value tank fast.
I am not against EVS but near 80 K I never paid more than 36k for even a used car . I don't think I would trust a used EV until ID see a battery tested or used ev warranty
I don't see how the Model X has better tech and features... Tesla tech is becoming quite outdated these days.
Huge, expensive, slow, meh range...yep EVs are really going to be the norm one day 😂
Agreed, way too expensive. Not going to pay pretty much double of a nice Telluride so I can say “look, it’s electric “.
Not me, I will buy one anyway.
Well put imo, Telluride as it is is amazing
@@chappy3125 And I will buy the EV9
It's not double. Its about $20K more. You do save significantly on gas and maintenance, and get better performance compared to the Telluride.
And that is why you are not the target market. And, it is no where close to “pretty much double of a nice Telluride”. It starts at around 57K. The cheapest Telluride starts at about 37K. So, yes, it is much more expensive, but is ain’t twice as much. For some folks that differential is worth it. For you, it is clearly not. But don’t lie to make your point, just let folks decide for themselves if the value proposition works for them.
Damn, 60-80 grand is dumb. I also hate on all vehicles over 30,000 lol. Only rich people get these cars. When will car companies understand that the majority of Americans are lower middle class and preying on the dumb people who get this expensive crap significantly reduces the people that will buy this thing.
Kia is recalling 427K Tellurides (all years) due to a rolling away risk. Kia is also recalling Tellurides built between October 2023 and December 2023 due to faulty valve springs. Only fix is total engine replacement for a 3 month old vehicle. Imagine spending $50K+ and even some markup and you're told you need a new engine not 4 months later!
Please do your due diligence before spending $50K+ on these new Kias and Hyundais. I know Alex and all the auto journalists love them, but they are proving to be quite problematic and the notion that Kia/Hyundai has changed for the better, is proving to be not true. Also, the new Santa Fe uses the same problematic DCT found in the Sorrento and the Car Confections guys had to have their entire transmission replaced with only 27 miles!
"Kia is recalling 427K Tellurides (all years) due to a rolling away risk. "
Of which only 16 had the issue that led to the recall.
"Kia is also recalling Tellurides built between October 2023 and December 2023 due to faulty valve springs. Only fix is total engine replacement for a 3 month old vehicle."
False and/or misleading. Kia says the fix is replace the sub assembly of the engine.
In short, your comment is more bullsht than substance, and even Toyota is having problems too. Don't even get me started on how many recalls it took to fix their suspensions on RAV4s.
Did you actually read about both recalls though? Of the 427k Tellurides they're recalling (5 model years), after a 2 YEAR investigation they only identified 16 vehicles with a reported problem, only 6 of which with actual damage. This recall is more of a proactive inspection of vehicles than sign of actual widespread problems.
In the case of the valve springs, reviewing the NHTSA timeline report shows that within the span of 2.5 months they were able to collect damaged engines, perform literal electron microscopy on them, and traced the problem back to a supplier who made all the faulty springs on the same day. That's pretty damn impressive.
So are they still working out the kinks? Sure. Between the two of them, H/K would probably benefit most from tighter supplier-level QC. But it's not like they aren't doing their due diligence.
I’m out. Very expensive. Abysmal range. Give me gasoline…hybrid if ya nasty.
If I was in the market for an $80K EV, there’s no way I’m getting a Kia! Model X starts at $80K! Luxury, American made, $7500 off, better technology, proven ev track record, faster, 5K free supercharger miles, longer range etc etc etc and you can add autonomous driving.
Legit curious, what features does the Model X have that makes it luxury that the EV9 does not have?
You made my day 😂😂😂😂
Thinking that Tesla sells luxury cars.
Luxury and technology are two different things.
Autonomous driving 😂😂😂. Elon boy spotted.
Did you watch the video?
5 seat grey/ black standard wheel is 79900. Want a 3 row? Doesn't qualify for rebate.
@@th003g ya but X is still faster, access to max charging on network....Alex has a vid where the EV9 still charges slow on the supercharger network, and other chargers are highly unreliable.....you get what you pay for as with everything else
Can you discuss how quickly your house will burn down when the battery goes into thermal runaway
What a Petro troll! Maybe move on! 🤬
Only takes about 8 minutes. I will never buy an EV
Yeah because we all know combustion engines, don’t catch on fire. 😂
Let's be honest, it'll eventually catch on fire whether it's petrol or electric as long as it's a Kia/Hyundai.
Must ban all things with batteries now! We’re all in danger! Save yourself. This is breaking news. I’m throwing my cellphone out the window too. Does anybody have their smoke signal name so I can send a shoutout? 😒
NO RANGE! EVs suck
Then it’s not for you. Easy as that. The fact that it’s selling should tell there’s a reason why other disagreements with your no contact statement.
Actually it’s NOT selling. There are mega discounts already
@@wallbangerzsports Seeing as how you have an upvote after only 1 minute, you upvoted yourself, and are just here to troll and sht post.
As are gas cars like Honda civics. Everything is below MSRP. It’s been like that for years. Covid was the only exception.
All electric vehicles are hot garbage.